OTC with Kishore Mahbubani

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In this episode of ThePrint Off The Cuff, Distinguished Fellow Asia Research Institute, National University of Singapore, Kishore Mahbubani, talks to ThePrint Editor-In-Chief Shekhar Gupta about the implications of the war in Ukraine on the world order, China-Russia relations, re-emerging western solidarity, the future of India-China relations and much more.
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[@ravindrapatwal3461]

Surprisingly find Kishore with Shekhar. It's good for Indian viewers to know things from an alternative perspective. We are over-occupied with western and Indian old biased thinking which is hurting itself.

[@piowchyegan8980]

Tottenham

[@cosmoray9750]

Former Foreign Secretary Vijay Gokhale, who was a young diplomat at the Indian embassy in Beijing in 1989, shares his experiences. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5TVgHyohLd-rNk Western media spread lies in 1989

[@lenthokchom]

That is exactly what i have been saying trying to convince people for so long.

[@aliezhasa9490]

How true. 👍 it's india and china's century and we should keep our petty differences aside and focus on the future. We should not fall prey to the western divisive policies.

[@thegracienetwork7847]

​@@aliezhasa9490India will never do that, you love the West too much.

[@sunilavro]

This was the shortest 1 Hour and six minutes have spent listening to someone. A wonderful episode. Thank you Mr Shekhar Gupta !

[@arnabghosh567]

I just thought this discussion should never end, very unbiased and filled with historical perspective.

[@arvindverma2213]

Amazing insights

[@mikeel6542]

It is a great interview and discussion. I am delighted to hear about India can really play a significant role in world politics and it is high time to seize the opportunity. India must behave as a fully autonomous independent large country and should craft its own destiny, not to be swayed by others. Kishore M. provided amazing insights to the world of today.

[@Love.life.ashigzoya]

Very enlightening a d full of wisdom. We should learn from this discourse by Dr Kishore.

[@sanirudha]

Fabulous discussion, thanks SG. Been following Kishore for long, he’s without doubt one of the brightest global strategic thinkers. Enjoyed this thoroughly.

[@Grizzlyx9]

this dude is a china shill. don't invite him back

[@brightcamp4091]

He was doing brilliantly, but what a story he is doing now.

[@cosmoray9750]

Former Foreign Secretary Vijay Gokhale, who was a young diplomat at the Indian embassy in Beijing in 1989, shares his experiences. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5TVgHyohLd-rNk Western media spread lies in 1989

[@XinaCCPFreeTibet]

Drinking this man’s bs koolaid is going to be toxic because it is made to CCP’s requirements.

[@brightcamp4091]

@Moonland Almond you got it wrong completely, kishore is a honest INJUN who will never work for China , unlike you- a disgruntled employee .. kishore has too many assets in USA!

[@shashanktiwari8204]

This episode is a bliss for geopolitics aspirants. Absolutely gold.

[@mailtorajrao]

Excellent OTC! Always a pleasure to listen to Mr. Mahbubani! Thank you!

[@zafarahmedbutt3899]

I appreciate this arrangement with Kishore. Definitely it will be a great episode. Thanks to the print for this informative episode with this great man.

[@nsevv]

Search for "agent of influence Kishore, Huang jing". He just want india to join RCEP to help his china to grow.

[@shiromaru8236]

Pro Kishore stand and words never change from day one regarding two country relationship should be restore ASAP is good for both country. Can one imagine INDOCHINA ( India, Indonesia and China) form a group combine population of 3 billions plus.All they need is to find a workable plan towards 2050. Support each other in all fields. I do hope SG will change is view too. Start preparing it before is too late.

[@brightcamp4091]

Nonsense!

[@JonKino828]

It is amazing to see the comments from India that is open minded and fair. Unlike the comments you find in WION.

[@luckarl]

WION turns me off.

[@blackpanda8435]

Most WION viewers are not educated and not intellectual.

[@ycl5154]

The boss behind WION is CIA. So what is to expect.

[@vinayaktrivedi9375]

WION is a bit overreactive towards the chinese.

[@anuragdimri1085]

Yeah the platform where China is praised the comments become fair and open minded and where it is criticised the comments become dumb irrespective of the audience right . I get your point.

[@davidmok5505]

It's the Japanese aggression that you must not forget. Chinese is a peaceful nation. In Ming Dynasty, ChengWo traveled 7 times along the South China sea and neither conquered nor colonized any countries along the way.

[@JenHope883]

@Moonland Almond No mass graves found, no mass migrations like seen in Iraq , Syria and Ukraine wars. No genocide in China, no evidence to support it, which is why now the US government stop using this propaganda! Go visit Xinjiang, I have been there in September of 2019! Don't talk without supportive data, it's not moral .

[@joek7031]

@Moonland Almond western bs propaganda?

[@joey3291]

@Moonland Almond Those are all utterly fake news. I got my bachelor's degree in China, and my Uygur classmates were much more easily got admitted to famous universities in China. The minorities in China are not mistreated AT ALL! They are actually covered by numerous beneficial policies and have more opportunities compared to the Han people.

[@Cakemake-123.]

@Moonland Almond I've seen more brains in a boul of soup

[@josephrozario6153]

Cheng ho travelled 7 times during the Ming dynasty along the south china sea and neither conquered nor colonized any countries but these countries had to pay homage to Chinese emperor, but look at now the CCP doing they invade Tibet Sinkiang Mongolia Takistan south, indian borders and now want to take Taiwan who stood alone for more than 70years.Stealing the wealth of African countries, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, ASEAN countries etc.

[@Dipps]

Finally someone talking about China with some real understanding of China. Glad SG decided to go for an alternate narrative which is based on data and personal experience, not just wishful thinking and ignorant hatred.

[@ecofriendly0]

But SG is an American puppet, no? 🫠🫣

[@brightcamp4091]

Doesn't know economic?.. Maybe he is afraid for his assets in usa

[@leonal522]

_"Two roads diverged in a wood and I - I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference."_ -Frost. I'd like to ask the Indian audience a question: If I make you a millionaire for life and for generations to come in exchange for 1% of your worst barren land, are you willing to take my offer? From being on PAR with India in the 1980s to having its economy increase fivefold over India 40 years later. Why? what did China do? I think the most important reason is China made peace with its enemies and rivals incl the US in 1972, Japan soon after, and Russia in the 1990s, etc. by making huge national sacrifices. By the end of the1990s, China has either resolved or deferred border disputes with its 14 neighboring countries, all except India that is. During the process, China stopped arguing with Russia over the disputed 350,000 square miles (910,000 km^2) of Chinese territory, delineate boundaries, and stopped claiming Sakhalin, Vladivostok, and many previously Chinese territories; Deferred territorial disputes with Japan; and even gave Vietnam Bạch Long Vĩ, an island that was undisputedly Chinese, and half of Baekdu Mountain and surrounding areas to North Korea. China also slowed down pursuing Taiwan until very recently. Can China and India find a path to resolve their border dispute? Well, ask yourself this question if you're an Indian: Do I prefer a piece of barren land in Aksai Chin अक्साई चिन to a national economy the same size as China's every year for the rest of India's future? given that India has already taken China's Arunachal Pradesh अरुणाचल प्रदेश and China has mostly kept silent about it and India's annexation of the Kingdom of Sikkim? Ask yourself if you are willing to give up your life for a piece of land your fellow Indians are not even going to live on after you donated yours. If the answer is no, then please don't expect others to donate theirs. Conclusion: no more human lives sacrificed for land, We need world peace, life is short, and it's not worth dying because of land. If there is anything India can learn from China. I think this is the biggest lesson: That you have to give up something in order to gain something, no pain, no gain. India will get nowhere before it makes the critical and crucial choice: Land or Economy, one or the other, not both. The saddest thing is most people in this world, especially in India, are fretting over trivials while missing the big secret to prosperity and tremendous wealth. I predict many Indians are going to start arguing with me for instance, to whom Arunachal Pradesh अरुणाचल प्रदेश belongs. If so, you obviously are not getting my message. I don't know about India and what it will become, but I know for sure that one day China will be so far ahead of the rest of the world that it will not even lift a finger to take back what is rightfully its own, including Taiwan and other previously forsaken lands from Russia, India, Japan, and the United States, b/c it has shedded its burdens and taken the road less traveled ≈ the road with least resistance. India has come to the crossroad again, none can stop it from choosing to follow the mainstream and travel with The Himalayas on its shoulders but I am simply here to point out it doesn't have to.☮

[@brightcamp4091]

INdians BS all the Time! INDIA pretend to be democratic only, but look deeper, it is "Azov " India has figured in the top 10 autocratising countries of the world 16 Mar 2021 - Last week, Sweden-based V-Dem Institute was harsher in its latest report on democracy. It said India had become an "electoral autocracy".

[@codechannel528]

@@leonal522 great advice

[@ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh123]

There's no one in the entire US foreign policy establishment as smart as this guy

[@shenkoyah]

Keshore is Awesome………reminds me of Heinrick Clarke….. the ability to weave truth with poignant observation and then guides the audience so skillfully to the forgone realization of his thought provoking conclusion…….absolutely a Great Teacher…..A profound human being, I think🙏🏽! Lap up his words and study his ways……..the likes of this man we’ll be so lucky to experience again🙏🏽! If I may add, Vijay Prashad is of the same cloth but more towards the social sphere and policies where as Keshore is Strategic …..great thinkers🙏🏽

[@beastmode8203]

They're much smarter than Kishore Mahobani because we will choose Armageddon before existing in a world where we are second to anybody.

[@qingzhou9983]

Great interview. Kishore's love for Win-Win for All came through clearly!

[@swapnilredekar1321]

Great discussion..!! I like to hear Kishore Mehabubani. He is brilliant.

[@roro4787]

I have lived in China bro for 3 years from 2014-17. I don't have anything with the government but people in China were amazing, they were kind helpful and very mature and open minded. I think we should give Chinese people (public) the respect they deserve, I see so much hate on Chinese it hurts because I know so many good friends. Government is its own thing we should not bring two in same level

[@ArghyadeepPal]

Ok

[@moquant947]

Part of it is the Indian media that create hate and sensationalized issues. No difference than Trump tactics.

[@ArghyadeepPal]

@@moquant947 Which country's media doesn't?

[@roro4787]

@@ArghyadeepPal i agree every country is based but it's a bit extreme and exaggerated in India than where I am living now ...

[@ArghyadeepPal]

@@roro4787 And that is where?

[@yaruingamawungshi9748]

Simple but clear Conversation. Everyone will enjoy such talk rather than fearfully trying to analyse issue that are so heavily political and sensitive.

[@sanjaydutta1736]

Mr.Mahbubani you are so comprehensive & convincing on all your assessment. Enjoyed it... Lovely❤

[@MrLoganniko]

In my humble opinion, Professor Mahbubani is one of the greatest geopolitical thinkers of our time. Thank you.

[@williamtangsjc.6497]

Congratulations and thanks for getting Kishore Mahbubani of Singapore to share his deep knowledge and insight of Asia. Honestly it's worth every minute listening to him.

[@markpereira7256]

I DO NOT AGREE; MY GUT FEELING IS RUSSIA WILL COME BACK ON TOP; RUSSIA HAS OIL; GASGOLD RESERVES AND SIBERIA.

[@calvyncraven1141]

@@markpereira7256 so?. Without india and china. They will be destroyed by US & EU.

[@narasimharaoajjarapu6362]

Simply superb. Kishor Mehbubani is brilliant. Thanks Shekharji!

[@padamagarwal8184]

A truly wonderful analysis of world affairs with emphasis on India n China. Thanks Shekharji to have Kishore Mehboobani on the show..

[@bittertruth6175]

Extremely important interview. Prof. Mahbubani outlook, thinking and talent of looking an issue from multiple angles is superb, valuable and makes lot of sense.

[@roro4787]

It's a great episode, with a great speaker

[@HarharMahadev-bb1hi]

Great conversation. Thought provoking. Perspective shifter. Thoroughly enjoyed.

[@sunnycriti9809]

Two voices of Reason. I learn a lot by listening

[@sadhusuman]

Kishore Mahbubani's talk is always thought provoking. Awesome discussion. Thanks both for having this conversation.

[@nsevv]

Nah but do Search for "agent of influence Kishore, Huang jing". Kishore just want india to join RCEP to help his china to grow.

[@sadhusuman]

@@nsevv Yes surely Kishore gives China more credit than it deserves like calling CCP as meritocracy and longterm thinkers. Time and again proved that chinese beaurocrats are short term thinkers like one child policy giving way to two child giving way to three child policy. Also more recent, zero covid strategy. And more than this the biggest folly of chinese system is lack of transperancy at every level. The other day, I was seeing a video of forced covid testing in Shangai, where the guy who is taking sample was inserting the same cotton plug for consecutive people. So meaning there is no enough cotton to have a mandatory covid test for entire shanghai, but needs to done to show it to authorities above and so on.

[@Grizzlyx9]

@@nsevv this dude is a china shill. don't invite him back

[@calvyncraven1141]

@@nsevv or he wants india to do whats best for itself. Or do you think India should join the west in sanctioning Russian oil, gas, fertilizer, wheat and see its people starve?🤔

[@mrir2008]

Apart from the part that says 'how India becomes a security council member', which was too simplistic to say the least, the interview was fantastic. Thank you Kishore Mahbubani and The Print.

[@edwardtang1977]

India can't make any weapons on its own. Wanting to be in the security council is like wanting to host the Olympics when India isn't good at any sports. 🤣

[@ishanbajpai6940]

@@edwardtang1977 any weapons? You serious buddy.

[@wonderlander]

India will naturally become a security concil member when it is strong enough, and if India is that strong, to become a permanant member won't even matter, so the fundamental problem here is, how to make india strong, not a title.

[@edwardtang1977]

@@wonderlander China will veto it. There is no "naturally" becoming a UN security member. 🤣 It is not a wound that naturally heals. Just as Indian problems will not naturally solve itselves. No wonder Indians talk so much. You are just waiting. China is now 6x your economy, it used to be 5x. 🤣

[@wonderlander]

@@edwardtang1977 delete it please, you are an embarrasement, I am Chinese, you don't even regognize "lau" as a chinese surname? what the f**k. How stupid you are. You failed in pretending to be Chinese. India is our neighbour, we pursue peace among neighbours, what the F**k are you doing here? and who the f**k is "we"? Who do you work for? What do you want? a war between neignbours? so you can benefit?

[@shivrajjuvekar]

This is a eye opener conversation 👍 We need to learn as much as possible about our neighbour china. Keep going #theprint

[@cheval63sg]

China has learnt a lot from Japan.

[@jenme4796]

India has exported the best to China and that is it’s philosophy and religion, Buddha was Indian, what the West took from India is their brightest human capital, Kishore on another interview suggested the Indian gov must attract their best back to help build India, Kishore is amazing, he help make a swamp into an admirable country. Now he is sharing his wisdom, cherish every word

[@srirampraneethvinjamuri9851]

Seriously a masterclass on geopolitics!!

[@tuanyangberhormat4202]

My respect for Dr Kishore Mahbubani's wisdom.

[@sahilk6004]

fantastic guy and fantastic interview. Thank you The print and Shekhar.

[@SkSingh-tu8un]

Kishore Mahbubani has said a lot in a few words. The visit by dignitaries and diplomats from the west is a welcome sign. The visit by the Chinese FM a bit of a surprise since it was without the hype. The Chinese position on the boundary being more or less the same as 60 years back has only one major factor which is different namely the CPEC. If the LAC is agreed to by both countries and peace established it would be good. However talks if held would going by past experience go on for a few years. The war in Ukraine may in the interim lead to a slightly different world. All countries including India and China are waiting before they take any major decision. However right now we are in a sweet spot and more importantly a foreign minister who is adept at handling the fast changing situation and doing a very good job

[@sleo3720]

A fascinating interview of a very intelligent, pragmatic, courageous and forward looking diplomat with the most progressive ideas & the foresight to propose workable & deliverable solutions, the world would be wise to understand & follow his advice together with his Asian wisdom.

[@jagatmohansarvari5681]

One of the finest conversations I have watched Mr Kishore is an extremely intelligent person and he must be the advisor to the Indian government.

[@joeawk]

No, the core group in India is under the US control.

[@josephrozario6153]

He is a pro Chinese,

[@calvyncraven1141]

@@josephrozario6153 no. he is pro peace.

[@vivianxu8906]

@@josephrozario6153 He is a rational thinker

[@sundareshanal1849]

This is a critical and seminal discussion. This debate must be taken forward by the Print with many more discussions with further experts. We need to create public opinion on India taking a role commensurate with its true status and heft. India must play a much bigger, voluntarily adopted role in global theater. It is time we stopped being diffident and temperementally detached from taking up roles which the civilized world actually expects us to do. We can't complain that the world does not listen to us , we have to state our case and assume responsibility. The world will be grateful and relieved.

[@jatishah]

Wonderful interview. Really enjoyed.

[@albertli3935]

Professor Kishore is man of great wisdom and knowledge, the world needs more people like him to understand different countries and cultures to bring world peace and harmony. Keep doing a great job, and long live Kishore!!

[@shasheebvij]

Absolutely a Master Class in Geopolitics....great SG....best choice for a guest...

[@viengvanhsouthideth300]

Thank you for your simple explanation & crystal clear!

[@supratimchaudhuri2743]

Very enlightening and engrossing conversation. Did not even realize that it lasted over an hour... Thank You.

[@wongjerry520]

59:30 ”If there is one country that actually wants a peaceful world, it is China." Indeed, Chinese people are peace-loving people. because we have gone through so many wars and turmoils in our long history.

[@beastmode8203]

Threatening the global position of the United States as the number one economy will guarantee you an apocalyptic world where mankind is destroyed in nuclear war.

[@vmdoon]

It's time we recognised our blunders re border with China and settle these issues via an open give and take mindset. Agree with Prof. Mahbubani on that completely.

[@abhinavsingh.92]

While there is merit in what he said about resolving disputes with China, it's not that simple. China's support for Pakistan would continue to be a thorn in India-China relationship and until we work on both these fronts, we won't be able to reach those heights.

[@ArghyadeepPal]

India is doing on her side to resolve the border issue, but the question remains, is China doing the same? I don't think so.

[@walterwayne3081]

@@ArghyadeepPal China has always been keen to resolve the border issue. After the 1962 war the Chinese even offered a give and take they offered to give up claim on arunachal Pradesh and India should give up its claim on aksai Chin but any guesses who refused.

[@Rakeshrn34]

Thanks Print for bringing great persons for interview.

[@rahuldhakne7290]

Thank you so much The Print Team.....

[@williamlyou9595]

FANTASTIC!!! Thank you Sir. I have learned much more about regional and international geo politics today than ever

[@eddywinlson5338]

Mr.Kishore Mahbubani is a world class geopolitical expert, thank you for such good explaination. The World will be safer and peaceful if more peoples could have such high mentality like you.

[@liaojohnweechun7454]

These are 2 of the Best Asian Intellectuals who speaks Clearly on True facts.

[@parthparekh7471]

Thank you Shekhar for bringing him.

[@nsevv]

thank you!. Search for "agent of influence Kishore, Huang jing". Kishore just want india to join RCEP to help his china to grow.

[@wulung5943]

The loss of the U$ reserve currency status will also push US below India and ASEAN economies, US will try to start wars in the region to maintain their hegemony

[@rameshpudhucode6862]

Now that is a far stretch. Remember US is still the second biggest manufacturing powerhouse

[@beastmode8203]

China's not allowed to take our place. We will end the world, we will choose suicide. We would rather die in a nuclear war than accept otherwise.

[@sus10651]

Everything this man says makes sense. We should not blindly trust any country, The US or China. Proudly alone, that's the best way forward. A billion people should not take sides, they are a side.

[@srichakrahubli]

Absolutely magnificent

[@GauravKumar-bt2oj]

I really didn't know what to watch on TV news as i was bored with all the shouting on TVs ...so just read only print media and economic times. Now most of the times, i wach shekhar gupta. Thank you for starting " the print" and bringing all these interesting things you bring to us.

[@rajbodepudi]

As always, Kishore is Strategic & Brilliant

[@kumarfanse335]

Awesome interview. Really enjoyed it.

[@afshinfov4846]

I love this conversation. Absolutely well done. 👏

[@Shaileshartsms]

It's such an intellectual feast to hear greats. Had fun

[@amitray4105]

Finally a man honest enough to call out the anti intellectual movement in the US and the west . One suspects that one of the indicators of a fall of a mordern culture is the preference for ideological purity and ideological presentational beauty over excellence and Intellectual brilliance.

[@abhinavsingh.92]

Couldn't agree more, and it makes me sad that India is going the same way.

[@chokaling]

I am not sure there's much "honesty" involved. There's plenty of recognition and discussion in the US itself on the anti-intellectual movement. I have to say in the American context, there is a long tradition of anti-intellectualism and contrarianism. So these aren't unprecedented things either.

[@Jeffrey2323]

Clearly a very bright spark this Kishore Mahbubani. Great enlightening words

[@PritiAnand1BSG]

So many insights. Great interview 🎊🎊

[@sujanagavirneni3199]

Well narrated, we like more of these. Today I would subscribe to Print

[@sujanagavirneni3199]

Very pleasing for all the Indians listen . Great dialogue

[@robinsuleiman9129]

Very encouraging discussion. Kishore's view on India joining RCEP is valid

[@leoncioco3305]

Kishore is right, nothing is too late, not even d Elephant 🇮🇳 n Dragon 🇨🇳 border dispute, when it comes to diplomacy.

[@paobalaji1748]

that is some real interesting, informative worth listening an hour talk.

[@surajmrrao4779]

Absolutely wonderful analysis

[@yathindrak1295]

Shekhar, thank you for bringing Kishore into this program! He is an outstanding intellectual who has a good grasp of the international affairs in relation to China today. India's most important relationship in this century is with the People's Republic of China!. At present China is the biggest trading partner of India and is the country that can help India rebuild its crumbling and outdated infrastructure. European Union or USA is not willing to or capable of helping India upgrade is infrastructure. In fact they have covertly and sometimes overtly tried successfully to prevent India's rise in the world. Indian political leadership's challenge is to find ways to work with China against the advice it is given by the bureaucracy (babus who are westward looking/us green card dreaming) who always tilt towards the west for obvious reasons! It is a sad reality that India's foreign policy is drafted with a form nod from Washington, DC and economic policy from New York Investment Banks.

[@vichitvideo6041]

Hat off to Kishore Mahnumani, a highly intelligent academic. It is a pity that he is not in politics where people with his calibre is rare.

[@sudhirnair]

My take is that India must not rush into any block treaties. All alliances should be handled bilaterally. This would give India the advantage to pick & choose what is good for them.

[@anandsamuel1978]

Well done Shekar!

[@chrischeah4649]

Always love mr Kishore talk interesting challenging true words from his past experience hope after this talk leaders pls think about their people , economy, freedom, peace

[@peterjenner5431]

I love listening to this guy

[@HarrySJD]

Fascinating conversation, Shekhar.

[@silvergupta16]

Great interview.

[@Sumit_kumar550]

Thanks sir for giving me this new prospective

[@madhurmotwani9935]

India has ensured that everyone stays in their place. By maintaining positive relations with everyone.

[@mailtorajrao]

India and China must find ways to have lasting good relationship...

[@joeawk]

You have indians brainwashed to hate china. TFGLOBAL and WION.

[@scammicus7110]

Very interesting discussion, particularly the dissonance in "who gets a sphere of influence and who does not". I believe the rationality and logic you posit should be the rule, exceptionalism trumps it every time regardless of which culture makes the play. Maybe on Vulcan, but not on Earth. As always, wonderful discussion and perspective.

[@wizzkid3626]

Two of my favourite intellects on for an hour! It was intellectual heaven ✨️

[@awakencitizen]

Excellent interview, really appreciate it

[@weiminglu5331]

Great conversation between two gentlemen. Sorry to see less viewers than a normal The Print episode though.

[@rahulg5365]

Wonderful discussion..

[@jenme4796]

Kishore is amazing, this man was a part of a team who made a swamp into one of the most admirable country in the world, although it’s a small country but one must understand they started with nothing but only with human capital. India exported its philosophy and religion to China, Buddha was Indian, don’t let the west divide, that’s their greatest weapon, don’t let it be

[@ArpanHotaJU]

Amazing episode! SG never fails to bring diversity to OTC.

[@anuradham8435]

Very interesting and informative. Am happy that I am a paid subscriber 😄🙏🏻

[@krishnakarthik6]

Loved it!

[@digvijaypatil9598]

Great lecture thanks print for the session..

[@animeshmishra286]

Shekhar sir i love your videos 🙏

[@dennyr989]

Chinese worked 20 hour days to get US dollars which are now a weapon for the US. India should avoid this lesson and keep savings outside dollars

[@mbvgvskvrs868]

Amazing conversation on The Print from SG. Who better for India and China to listen to than Kishore Mahbubani, an Indian [edit] Singaporean [edit] with a consistent, strategic, peaceful, development-focused, global perspective on the issues?

[@madhurmotwani9935]

He truly is a masterclass in geopolitics.

[@acode168]

Great wisdom!!

[@yuanhaochue2889]

Great that Prof. Mahbubani is trying very hard to be the reasonable moderator for resolution between India n China border impasse, other than economic n geopolitical objectives such as getting s UN permanent security seat.., however there are 2 critical imperatives that influence one another 1 the political leaders must be pragmatic to avoid using the convenience of EMOTIONAL NATIONALISM TO STAY IN POWER .. as Prof. Mahbubani stated ... that implied start to act STATESMANSHIP to claim its role as a world leader..( tell the truth that Chinese leaders has already offered twice to resolve the border conflict but Indian leaders ignored especially by Nehru !) 2. The public intellectuals must drive the narrative for pragmatism so the public space will have enlightenment about the pragmatism to work with China economically n strategically as neighbour one has no choice but to live with..( India need the finance to develop its infrastructures before it can expand it industries.. as Prof. Mentioned a mistake for not joining RCEP n lol the answer from this editor host is because of China, he is not the only one that have the same answer given ... Why so afraid of China ....just infer how China eventually can fight with USA starting with economics while military may come later..). In my opinion, India should start to be more active in BRICS, join RCEP n more participative in ASEAN n eventually the BRI ( before India could initiate it's own Indian Global Infrastructure Finance Initiative by learning how new concepts in multilateral relationship could be nurtured ..

[@avibcci1297]

Omg. Kishore sir :))! I love hearing him. Edit- 55:34 no way. India never invaded Bangladesh. It was Pakistan doing the genocide and America supported it.

[@poo-tinthedwarfbunkerb1tch535]

Just like how india has been quite openly supporting & financing russian imperialism and genocide since 1978, when it voted in favor of the soviet invasion of afg at the UN general assembly..

[@amossutandi]

india invaded bangladesh to support the seperatists, because the genocide in east pakistan by the pakistan government. this is also why the us and uk wanted to support pakistan against india to force india to withdraw their troop from east pakistan. fortunately russia intervened to scare of the joint us and uk forces.

[@bsobro]

Yeah just like russia never invaded ukraine, just military operation

[@Liboch]

True, India never invaded Bangladesh, India actually invaded East Pakistan, not Bangladesh... 😜🤣

[@avibcci1297]

@@Liboch WhatsApp university graduates.

[@pkm7776]

Unbelievable persuasive power he have. I was convinced it was good India did not join RCEP. Now after listening his arguments at around 1:00:00 I think we will be losing in capturing market with ASEAN NZ and Australia.

[@eventhorizon1]

India is going for bilateral pacts as opposed to multilateral pacts. The Chinese will dump their goods and destroy before the indian businesses can wake up and start seriously competing. Indian businesses today don’t have a clue how deep the Chinese manufacturing is and how much support it receives from the Chinese Govt. Indians need to build the capability much more before they can compete with China otherwise they will get squashed like bugs and hence they need to be protected for some more time.

[@Time4Peace]

Kissinger has said that US's mistake was pushing China and Russia together. US should have studied the differences between China and Russia more closely to drive them apart. Divide and rule, so to speak. This has always been in the playbook of colonialism and neo-colonialism. As long as India, Pakistan and China are kept apart, they will be kept weak and can always be played against each other. So, ultimately it's not upon others but yourself to overcome these differences. If the differences cannot be removed, at least ensure they do not prevent mutual benefits through cooperation.

[@beastmode8203]

If you haven't noticed we will choose Armageddon.

[@Time4Peace]

@@beastmode8203 Interesting reply. Why do you choose Armageddon? Isn't that suicide for humanity?

[@beastmode8203]

@@Time4Peace it has happened 16 times before the only difference now is that this is the 17th time and we have nuclear weapons. It's called Thucydide's trap, mutually assured destruction will not stop it from happening. Remember all of this is going to happen by the end of the year.

[@Time4Peace]

@@beastmode8203 it's strange that your response is not in the thread of conversation. Ok, you said that you would CHOOSE Armageddon because of Thucydides Trap. Are you saying that the Thucydides Trap is avoidable but you (i.e. US) would choose it? It's like you are really looking forward to a preventable global suicide? Just trying to figure out your logic.

[@Love.life.ashigzoya]

Very well advanced by Dr Kishore our option for settling our border issue logical and sound. There is no national advantage in military stand off with China . The existing LAC can be taken as basis of fin settlement . Ler our versatile FM take up this cue Indian Military Veterans

[@moquant947]

The problem with India is all political parties will rally the public to go against any border settlements ( of course doing it to their's political advantage). So no PM is dare to make the peaceful move. Only thing that China/India agrees on, is they were both looted by the British. Now how you settle with the recovered looted items?.

[@VicharB]

This was a great discussion, open and unbiased, though not necessarily agreeing with all the points.

[@dkswain58able]

Great discussion...!!

[@ShyamSundaresan]

EXCELLENT!