Otterup Model 69: From German Sword to Danish Plowshare

[@ragzaugustus]

7:14 That translates as "20. Circuit", it just identifies which local part of the Shooting association he was part of it.

[@WakarimasenKa]

The "20. Kreds" is likely the local "chapter" of the national sports shooting organisation. Literally 20th Circuit.

[@Ramian1]

yes thats what it is

[@jesper509]

Agree

[@MortenBulskov]

The city of Herfølge is about 60 km south of Copenhagen. Lived near by

[@kristofferolsen8973]

It's definitely not his address. Was about to write more or less the same.

[@mace8873]

@@kristofferolsen8973 Me too.

[@daddymarkram]

As a Dane and a member of a shooting club, this warm my heart. I actually have an Otterup as well, though mine is in .22 LR. They're pretty solid rifles, though not very fancy. Have a K98 as well, but it's a Voere in .308 and lastly a 9mm target match pistol made by Tanfoglio. Wish my fellow shooters all over the globe the best and thanks for yet another interesting video Ian.

[@stefanmolnapor910]

Best to you as well from Florida USA.

[@Sir_Foxxo_The_Foxy_Fox]

Min første riffel var også en otterup i 22

[@graydanerasmussen4071]

I read somewhere that the Danish "Frogmen", the Marine Special Forces, bought a few of these in the seventies. the story goes, since the Danish Armed Forces didn't have snipers, and the current political climate wouldn't allow Danish tax money to go to "Assassins' Guns", they petitioned to buy some "Competition Rifles". They were approved, purchased, and promptly outfitted with scopes and pressed into the counter-sniper role in the force. I haven't verified this, though :)

[@pywaos]

I read the same in the book frømandskorpset

[@DebatingWombat]

I would expect that the purchase of the Otterups was probably more about it being easier to purchase a minute amount of “odd” guns for the special forces by going to Otterup - and buying from a domestic supplier probably didn’t hurt either.

[@DebatingWombat]

Though, given the political climate of the 1970s (especially after the “earthquake/landslide election” of 1973), I wouldn’t entirely rule out the OP’s scenario either.

[@petervandyk7173]

FRK probably used the "militær 5 kamps gevær", a Shultz & Larsen sporting rifle in 7,62 NATO specifically built for use in Military Pentathlon. So it was already "on the books" in the military system. I can't remember the M/ number on that type (M/70?), but was lucky enough to try one once, during my service in the Danish Army, and its a smooth shooting gun.

[@sgtommyc]

There were sniper rifles in the Danish military prior to 1970, namely the "M-66 Finskytte riffel" a slightly modified M75 (H&K G-3, 7,62 mm NATO). The modifications was: Light weight bolt with groves for silent loading (if you had a lot of tough skin on your right thumb, otherwise you'd just cut 4 deep groves into the finger) , improved buffer (2 rubber blocks on the front of the stock), the rear sight was replaced with a 200-500m dial, as opposed to the standard 100-400m and improved trigger mechanism with rolling bearings on the parts that otherwise were sliding against each other. They came standard with a 4X Carl Zeiss optical scope. Compared to the then standard issued M1 Grand (M-50 in Denmark) it was shorter, lighter and more accurate on distances above 400m, even without the scope, also gave less of a kickback when fired, so easier to keep on the target, and the 12 extra rounds didn't hurt its reputation :)

[@DenmarkRadar]

@Ian The marking of "20. Kreds" is not a street address. It translates to "20th circuit". So it's likely a marking from some sub-division of Danish gun/shooting clubs into the various circuits.

[@TheArchaos]

We demand a 5 min compilation of Ian pronouncing Danish words and names!

[@Farbautisonn]

Please no. As a dane, I would protest. I like Gun Jesus. No need to add infermia to him.

[@rasmichael]

@@Farbautisonn Come on! Also he should attempt all of the main Danish dialects while he is at it.

[@Farbautisonn]

@@rasmichael Kill me now.

[@perolavhavik2585]

If Ian or anyone else needs to speak Danish I suggest drinking alcohol, and a lot of it. This will surely make the pronounciation sound very Danish.

[@Farbautisonn]

@@perolavhavik2585 There is not enough snapps in the world....

[@kodiakkeith]

The same thing was going on in the US in the fifties and sixties, but there were hundreds of shops turning out custom rifles built on Mauser actions. I have an old .243 that was my favorite deer rifle for many years, a nice one with the best walnut and lighter wood inlays and bands, handcut checkering, etc.

[@RM-Hunting]

Great rifles - own one myself 💥 you can get one for around 100$ here in Denmark. You get a piece of WWll history, danish weapons history and a high quality rifle. That's great value for the bucks.

[@tombogan03884]

If that's US dollars, I hate you. LOL. 😁

[@RM-Hunting]

​@@tombogan03884bought mine for 500DKK, which is roughly 75USD. So around the 100USD mark is a common price in Denmark. On the other hand, the permit for the rifle will cost you around 150 USD 😬

[@mulrich]

@@tombogan03884 It's US dollars as we don't use dollars in this country. I'd still say $100 is optimistic. Not impossible, just unlikely. Maybe if it's a .22LR.

[@jesperhymller2393]

I payed only 45 Dollars for a real nice one. So you can get it for near to nothing 😁

[@mulrich]

@@jesperhymller2393 When was this?

[@turbogerbil2935]

These are fairly common in UK, although in 7.62mm and fitted with a Parker Hale sight on their standard left side Mauser adaptor. They also have all the German marks scrubbed. Possibly these were an S&L batch made specially for the UK market and imported by Parker Hale. The S&L barrels with that foresight assembly are also extremely common on "transitional" target rifles of the era, mostly on target rifles built on P14 and No4 actions.

[@williamlloyd3769]

The only KZbin video creator, currently in Iceland, not posting about the eruption!

[@WakarimasenKa]

Ive been to the gun factory in Otterup. It was turned into an event venue. I was there for an art exhibition. A small part is a museum for the gun factory.

[@Ra1d_danois]

0:20 We don't really say words in that fast paced way in danish. Otterup would be more like Uh-ter-Rop / Utter-Rop. 7:13 is not his street adress, but the shooting associations 20th grouping.

[@youmaus]

I am the proud owner of one of these. It is a literal tack driver. I got it retrofitted with a Hawke/Anschutz scope with a round reticle. It's my favourite target rifle and I wouldn't trade it for anything less than a Feinwerkbau.

[@possumpatrol45]

This rifle was followed up by an improved version, the Model 420.

[@PXCharon]

Nice

[@Kumimono]

Blazingly fast to shoot?

[@kurumachikuroe442]

The fastest cycle of its time, blazingly so, some would say

[@jenniferbundock5841]

69th like

[@NathanPlays395]

​@@Tr4wnetsteve

[@FATxAZZxGONExCRAZZZY]

Schultz and Larsen still produces fine precision rifles to this day, ive shot one of my top five best groups with a modern one ❤

[@christianb.mortensen1199]

Been a member of DDSG&I myself from age 12 as a target shooter. My granddad had an Otterup .22 with which he won a lot of prizes. The Dansk Skytte Union (DSU, literally Danish Shooting Union) was established in 1913. Gymnastics became a part of De Danske Skytteforeninger, and DDS therefore in 1919 changed name to De Danske Skytte- og Gymnastikforeninger (DDSG, literally the Danish Shooting and Gymnastics Associations). Later simplified To the present DGI. I could not find which the 20th Circuit exactly was, though Herfolge is some 15 miles south in the coast from Copenhagen. Watch your posts regularly, thank you for the quality you add to KZbin. Mvh, Christian.

[@mmclaurin8035]

My first deer rifle was my Grandfather's Schultz and Larsen! Model 65 in .243 Win. To this day I still say it has the smoothest actions out of all the rifles I've ever shot. I'll never, EVER let it go, and I've had some offers over the years. I can put 5 shots inside a half dollar from 200 yards without trying, and I am not a great shot.

[@RobinWildlife]

This is a walk down memory lane for me. I was a member of a shooting club in Denmark in the late 1980s, early 1990s located someway south of Otterup. We used what I now realise must have been .22 LR rifles which in overall shape looked very much like the rifle in this vid. Great contents as always.

[@AllAboutSurvival]

It's incredible to see how this rifle evolved from German surplus tooling to become a staple among Danish competition shooters.

[@_ArsNova]

I think the Kar98k actually manages to beat the Luger in terms of sheer number of variants for collectors to salivate over haha.

[@realgeorgepatton]

We defeated the wrong enemy

[@spookyindeed]

I mean the mauser pattern is by far the most produced firearm ever. Nothing else really even come close so yeah there are more versions.

[@shoelessbandit1581]

​@@spookyindeedit's #2, the ak is number one

[@sorenlilienthal1368]

And many knowledgeable hunters view the 98 Mauser system as an unsurpassed state of the art, after 125 years.

[@Coastal_Cruzer]

Iirc it beats the Kalashnikov too

[@mulrich]

Just a note on the subtitles that say "Larsen ("lassen")": Larsen and Lassen are two rather distinct and different surnames. Larsen would be "son of Lars", while Lassen is "son of Lasse".

[@andersjjensen]

LOL. It's so clear that an Icelander told Ian how to pronounce Otterup in Danish :P Also: "20. Kreds" directly translate to "20th Circuit" which in English would probably have been called "20th Chapter" of the DDSG & I.

[@cypherdk85]

My dad had a rifle like that in 7.62, it was the first rifle i used to shoot 200 meter competitions with, it kicked like a horse but was fun to shoot.

[@daemonharper3928]

Oh wow a forgotten weapons piece about a gun I used to own! Very accurate. Hit where I pointed it, weighty but a lot of that is in the barrel where it counts.

[@AllanFolm]

I've been to the factory, that refurbed those rifles. And shot a lot with that model when I was young, just a .22LR. Today, it's mostly replaced by the Sauer STR200 in 6.5x55. And 20. Kreds is not a street address, but a local group of clubs.

[@JerryEricsson]

Wow that looks like my fathers old Remington 521 Target-master Jr rifle that he used on the farm for taking out pests, and occasionally for taking a deer for the table, or if one should happen by, a rabbit. Oh dad was a hell of a shot, he would shoot the heads off pheasants which were plentiful on the old home place so as to save the meat for the table. He took the Lyman sight off the rifle and had a gunsmith mount a JC Higgins 4 X scope on the gun, they were a good looking allbiet small scope for .22's back in the late 40's when dad had the scope mounted.

[@Matt-md5yt]

That sounds awesome.

[@MrKrisbagge]

By completely chance, a surprise birthday party was thrown for me today. Lots of happy people and rum. Going to bed with a danish rifle video was the absolute destitute peak for me today. Thanks from Denmark🇩🇰 Ian❤

[@davidcarr7436]

I guess when they bought the tooling, they actually paid "Pfennings on the Mark".

[@jessebell1930]

@forgottenweapons I only came across your channel a bit over a week ago. I have seen many firearms channels with presenters who have little idea what they are talking about (we ex-infantrymen can pick that very quickly). It is very refreshing to see not only your practical expertise on all kinds of weapons, your passion and historical knowledge, but also a man who has the humility to say when he doesn't know something or isn't sure. Love from Down Under mate👊 PS: Your video on the Owen Gun was spot on👍

[@MrPh30]

And Weatherby got them to design to M56A for his new .378 . He should have kept their action for the .378, 460 .

[@petesheppard1709]

The absolute antithesis of 'Bubba-ing' a milsurp! Some competition conversions are absolute works of art! Still, being a gun video from Iceland, I wonder how many people are searching for a gag...

[@thenegociater3387]

Elegance, longevity, history, utility, precision something special

[@althesmith]

Reminds me of all the No. 4 Enfield sporters you used to see in every Canadian gun shop in the 70's and 80's.

[@stumpythedwarf8712]

Gun Jesus looking spiffy today in his beautiful sweater. Thank you Ian.

[@AlanEvans789]

Almost identical to my Fulton of Bisley K98 TR conversion. Mine has a pretty much identical stock. It had an AJP rearsight, but now wears a 20×44 scope, as I now use it for F TR class. It was rebarreled in the early 80's in Australia, with a Lithgow Black Mountain barrel in 7.62×51 by the previous owner. It also has a nice target trigger fitted, but in this case a Brindles unit. The original magazine is fitted, but with the NATO round being so much shorter than the original rounds you have to load the rounds in very carefully if you want to use more than one round at time in it. Even then the recoil of firing a couple of rounds can more the cartridges in the magazine and you get failure to feed jams.

[@Kar4ever3]

20. Kreds = 20'th circuit.

[@forkthepork]

I misread it as "Otter Pup" and got all excited...

[@Sakkura1]

7:14 that's not his address, it's his "circuit" which is basically the local chapter of a shooting club covering a larger area. The chapters were numbered.

[@woutergijs5246]

Torture ! I still blame myself of not bringing home a S&L .22lr target rifle for 100€ - complete with diopter. And seeing now this old school S&L in 6,5 Swedish , I shiver of jealousness. I can only get some relieve of caressing the Steyer Mannlicher UIT Match in 308 which resides in the vault.

[@TheCow2face]

As a Dane I have never clicked on the video as fast before

[@martinrpke5388]

22 cal. Otterup rifles where replaced in the 1990th with the 22. Anchustz rifle as the standard Danish Competition riffe for 15 and 50 m ranges

[@albuerum]

I think the people of Otterup would love to be referred to as a 'city'. In fact, Otterup has someting like 5,000 inhabitants.

[@larssrensen1927]

Og smadremanden ;) :D

[@stepanmikulica]

Really similliar to the CG 63. Bought one, but sadly the bolt has a crack in the back, probably caused by someone who heated and bended the bolt handle down so it can fit a scope on it.

[@andersmogensen2819]

Got one w a hunting stock - great rifles. Also got one of S&Ls new rifles in 30.06. Apparently they make the barrel on the same hole drilling machines as they used in the beginning of last century. Theyve moved facilities from Otterup to Hørning(Hörning) though, about 100 miles from the original factory. The “20. Kreds” was not the owners adresse, but referes to the shooting club he was attached to

[@biornr.4031]

The "20. Kreds" bit is not an address, but probably administrative. A "kreds" in this context would mean something like a regional or district association. So this rifle belonged to Robert Madsen of the 20th district's Rifle Association. And I commend you on your pronunciation, I actually understood what you were saying, which is a rare thing for English-speakers to manage

[@darkiee69]

It's not his adress. It says, translated 20 circuit. Denmark, like Sweden, is divided in to a number of shooting circuits, and he was a member of the 20th circuit.

[@Sakkura1]

It's more likely the local chapter of a shooting association covering a larger area. For example, Vig was the 20th chapter of the Holbæk Amt sports and shooting association.

[@runem5429]

Very interesting video. "20. Kreds" is definitely not a street address, it translates to roughly "circuit 20", so must be some regional or competition partition thing I imagine.

[@whynotdean8966]

I just had one of those Truman Show moments, because I actually grew up in Otterup, Denmark.

[@bobhill3941]

This is the ultimate iteration of what my dad told me when in the 80's guys would buy milsurp Mausers and build custom rifles around the actions. If a sporterization is done well, than I'm all for doing it to an old milsurp rifle that you're done hunting with or competing with in military rifle competitions.

[@martinrpke5388]

They still use that tooling I think. And that riffel is nearly identical to the one I have since 1983

[@steenandersen1163]

I had one just like that in .22, i used it for 15 and 50 meter shooting.

[@johnthomas-km2bf]

Man, i bet that it shoots nicely. I love good iron sights for target shooting. i didn't own an optic till i was in my 30's

[@jeromethiel4323]

Just goes to show, it's hard to keep a good design down. The Mauser bolt action system is just so solid and easy to do well. You can take that system and make an amazing target rifle, or a mass issued front line battle rifle. And it just works. I have a Turkish Mauser, and the action is still silky smooth, even though that rifle is old as heck. Pretty sure it served in WW2, but i just don't know. The Turkish markings are all on ground off portions of the receiver. So there might have been German markings at one time, but there aren't any now.

[@alanb2845]

I have a Swedish CG-80 with a Schultz and Larsen barrel chambered in 6,5x55. It shoots lights out with diopter sights.

[@therallyfan]

I own one of these, although extremely heavy, they are very accurate also up to 300m. I love mine and bought it for 500dkk / 74USD. Can't beat that!

[@johnsanko4136]

I have a winchester 70 that is modified in a very similar fashion. Large clamped sighting block on the end of the rifle, dual aperture sighting set, very heavy barrel, etc. That Mauser is probably one hell of a shooter.

[@rudi_m9148]

I have an earlier version that has the original cut down stock, the receiver is a dou/43. This one is a tack driver too.

[@nuanenfreohr]

Hey Ian! Please do a short video letting people know SMGGUNSSTORE is considering another reproduction run of the rp-46 feeder attachment reproduction! (You did an excellent video 5 years ago on it!) I really want one so I need people to order up!!!!! People of the comment section, I normally don’t ask for likes but please like comment to spread the word!

[@GordonjSmith1]

'Kreds' means 'circle' or 'group' . So "20. Kreds" would suggest the owner was a member of the 20th Group or Company

[@tarmaque]

I have my Grandfather's Husqvarna in 30.06, and it is essentially this same idea but built on a commercial FN Mauser action. Later Husqvarna rifles had a proprietary action, but the ones built in the late 1940's used brand new FN receivers and bolts. It has a vintage Leopold scope on it and no provision at all for iron sights. It's a great shooter that's taken many an elk, blacktail, and a few mule deer.

[@bruceinoz8002]

The "Huskies" were popular here in Australia, too. Interesting what they could do with "surplus" actions, Some years back, I scored a "Bag of Mauser bolts" in a trade; M98, mostly, but a couple of "96 types One oddity was a 96 bolt with a very "sporty" bolt handle, a new bolt shroud with a "low-swing" safety and the bolt face too small for 6.5 x 55. It was apparently made for "conventional" sizes; .309Win, 243, ,30-06, etc. A little research pointed to this being a factory bolt from the clever folks at Husqvarna. I put it up on a local "used guns" site and had a bite almost instantly. Sadly, Husky got out of the gun biz and concentrated on motorcycles and really good chainsaws. Good money, global market and less paperwork, too.

[@bruceinoz8002]

That would be .308 Win, of course.....

[@tarmaque]

@@bruceinoz8002 Nice! I've also got a WWI Mauser (1917) my Grandfather brought back from the war and had sporterized. It's actually quite nice, with a Redfield aperture sight on it and also drilled for a scope mount. Unfortunately the 8mm Mauser barrel is shot all to hell. It still shoots minute of deer, but I've got three other deer rifles as it is. The plan is to rebarrel it in .243 some day, but I've got too many projects as it is.

[@mangrey2361]

The marking under the name is witch kreds (area) is was from Both names Robert and Madsen are common names in Denmark at that time. We dont have shoting "clubs" but use the term "kreds" insted. (i had to google is my self :) )

[@Andrew-27]

Nice.

[@JamesThomas-gg6il]

It would be interesting to see how well it shoots. Ian should do a biathlon run with it since hes in Iceland, im sure they have skis there.

[@HinrikS]

I think this is an old recording, but if he happens to still be here July isn't really the time for skiing. He'd have to be driven up on a glacier.

[@JamesThomas-gg6il]

@@HinrikS I'm sure he would do that. I would d that, as much as I hate the cold, and boats, and flying... Yeah I'm not coming to Iceland. But Ian will.

[@krog1337]

We still love to use and shoot ‘em This was the first riffle I used as a kid in Denmark 🇩🇰

[@MrPh30]

And then a little while later, M54,60,65,68 and the world suddenly knew something new .

[@TheElsarild]

As a danish competition shooter this is pretty fun. These rifles generally go for very cheap, usually chambered in .22lr. Have considered getting one because they're so cheap.

[@claus2427]

A fantastic platform for converting into a long range rifle with scope and detachable magazines.

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

My Parker-Hale TX1200 in 7.62x51 ..... basically indistinguishable from this....

[@MortenBulskov]

Holy crap I have shot a LOT with that type of rifle. The bolt was only rented from the government until the 90s because they were a reserve for the army in case of war.

[@tarjei99]

I think the Norwegian Army used similar rifles for sniping. KV59 and M67 from Kongsberg I seem to remember.

[@EmilyWalker-dr4bg]

6.5x55 is such a great cartridge

[@bonielsen8001]

The label "20. Kreds" translates to 20'th circle.. well directly it does. "Kreds" in this case meaning something like group or local association. The sports shooting association of Denmark is somewhat seperated as a unit from hunters and hunt styled shooting like say field target. Ironically originally the sports shooting association was fairly close with our national guard and they used to have competitions on silhuette targets with grenade throwing (dummy grenades) as a regular part of the event, events even featured gunclub owned SMG's for closer targets in timed group events.. However some time late 70's shooting was considered too millitarised and the sports shooters went to a very olympic and sanitised form, shooting only fixed distances and circle styled targets. A primary reason that the Otterup rifles are being sold out of Denmark, is that the sports shooters have adopted a new standard rifle (sauer 202 as i recall it) and that is now the (only) rifle they permit members to own and register. Otterup rifles and barrels made by Oterrup are very good, Otterup target rifles not sold out of the country are ofthen customised into hunting rifles as sortof an entry level gun.

[@RoyOrbisonsElvisTape]

Elbonia just ordered some from the name alone. Elbonian President; "I like otters". Elbonian Minister of War: "69, nice".

[@jesusfreakpl]

is there Northern Iceland Shooting Association? why are they separate? there must be an interesting story here :D

[@Astrosk1er]

That’s a real NICE gun, he he I have brain damage

[@thatevlcanadian]

Nice

[@turdfurgeson8769]

Model 69? Nice

[@thelastjohnwayne]

6.5 Swede was far ahead of its time. The Swedes really knew what they were doing. Even today 6.5 Swede is still great.

[@niksanpk71]

Hello! I learned on wikipedia about the existence of the Franchi LF 58 weapon, I will be interested to see it on your show.

[@Omnihil777]

Interesting, I was born in '78. Plus: As I remember it from my youth in northern germany all the shooting clubs, Schützenvereine, were essentially an excuse to drink whenever and wherever, and yes, something something shooting, but predominantly drinking. Lots of.

[@Tomek1001]

20. KREDS means in danish: 20th district. The 20th district of the association.

[@williamromine5715]

I didn't realize Ice Land had a Southern Ice Land Shooting Association. So is there a Northern, Western and Eastern shooting Associations? This gun looks like it would be a really good 30.06 big game rifle in the Rocky Mountains in the U.S..

[@itsconnorstime]

What’s even more interesting that’s the rifle and your sweater is that there are trees in Iceland.

[@viator21]

Iceland is like being on another planet. I spent several weeks there in January a couple years ago, it’s breathtaking. I asked about firearms and most people just shrugged and said farmers have shotguns for putting down livestock. If I knew there was a shooting community, I would have sought them out…. Guess I have to go back, darn

[@davidjernigan7576]

That would be a nice piece to have.

[@Matt-md5yt]

Cool a Boltgun been covered. I like those things

[@cgleewhite]

I like the front sights on this

[@hedgehog3180]

I think I used one of these when a shooting club had an open day.

[@kbjerke]

3:25 to 3:54 I was trying to wipe that hair off my screen. Thanks, Ian! 🤣

[@kenibnanak5554]

To us Baby Boomers in the US those were highly respected rifles in the 1960s. I knew 2 people back then who had S&L rifles.

[@Coastal_Cruzer]

I'm early Gen Z and I want one too

[@johnhall3824]

So, they were imported into the US. That was going to be my question, thank you.

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian . 🐺 Loupis Canis .

[@armADa_GS]

Because of your sweater, I swear that was so freekin cool

[@eleks12]

Amazing Video. Hope you are gonna cover more Guns from S&R like Victory and Tactical Rifle models and sub variants. :)

[@haldorasgirson9463]

I have a 1953, Sako in .270 Winchester that was built by Sako (Finland) on WWW2 German K98 actions. Usable stock, lightweight with a slick action. Mediocre accuracy (2 MOA), the original 4x Weaver scope was nothing special by todays standards, but it works. Still an acceptable deer rifle.

[@hoilst265]

I like the idea of combining gymnastics and shooting. Actually, John Woo would too.

[@kimkelberg]

Always Nice when you show danish guns

[@Moredread25]

When I saw the title at first I read it as Otter Pup.

[@jensenwilliam5434]

Thank you.

[@billykershaw2781]

Hope you get to see the volcano....Isak Finnbogason has been streaming some unbelievable drone footage.

[@MrKrisbagge]

20. Kreds = 20. Circuit. A way of shooting clubs/associations to distinguish themselves, by local area.