Our Bible consultants discuss our most controversial moment

[@fernandou1704]

I hope Bishop Barron is given some more times to comment on the show with less interruption in the future. Bringing him in was a tremendous move guys. Independently of whether you're a protestant or a catholic, and leaving aside whatever theological disagreements we have, learning from him is a great gift.

[@reginapontes5672]

Exactly! I don't even agree with Bishop Barron on everything but people need to expose themselves to him without him being continually interrupted and he wasn't being pedantic.

[@peacefulsunsetsambientmusi3787]

I'm just going to leave one thing here, as I do generally agree... The council of Trent claiming that protestants are anathema still stings, as it has never been removed or properly changed. Catholics believe that Protestants are anathema. While modern catholics may not express this, some of their core beliefs teach this.

[@jamesmikkelson7636]

Dallas asks for opinions regularly, then interrupts and tells us the obvious which is what is shown in the series. I wish he could sit back a little more and stop plugging his point of view then pretending that he's polling scholars for their input.

[@r-naotwo6290]

I am not Catholic but men please he has a lot to offer and I just wish he would be allowed to process his thoughts without interruptions

[@elimerc84]

Yes!!! Thank you! They missed big time, we enjoy our Bishop Barron every day.

[@delilahgarcia3421]

This is why the Church is needed. 2000 years of study and commentary to learn from and not just our own interpretation. Their inquiries about Jesus have already been studied, thought out, prayed about, and written about. Pride always tells us that our thoughts and revelations are the first of its kind and that our interpretation makes the most sense. Humility learns from the wise.

[@randumgaming]

Precisely why I'm so happy we have the Church. The Saints have pondered these things nearly endlessly, to such beautiful understandings and conclusions, and they're right there for us to draw on!

[@DaBearsManiac2]

Exactly, this whole argument was settled by the third ecumenical council. Jesus walking about like that, as if looking for inspiration for his parable, is incredibly off-base. This idea that Christ acted not upon himself, but only by the Holy Spirit or as some divine marionette, is a ginormous heresy. The Word was incarnate and made flesh. However that flesh is part of his divine nature as well! It's why we believe his divine body and blood is sufficient for salvation and is present in every Eucharist! He acted as God on this earth having one essence with God and being God in the flesh. Jesus working in conjunction with the will of his father was always an illustration of their perfect love and harmony. Not as a subject obeying the master. For Jesus is in complete union with God the Father as well. I took great offense to them suggesting that Jesus was not acting upon his own authority, but could only perform his works through the aid of the Holy Spirit.

[@Andyelmasry]

Agreed Delilah

[@shane8037]

@@DaBearsManiac2 Kind of makes me sympathize with Bishop Barron more than I usually do, realizing these are the kinds of heterodox goons he's speaking to.

[@jennifertinker985]

Google Pope Paul's audience hall it's designed to look like a serpents head 😳🤔

[@jasonlambert2226]

I don't know if folks fully appreciate these talks. A Catholic, A Jewish believer, and Protestants talking about Jesus in depth is truly extraordinary.

[@bradleyhenry1996]

It's incredible. John 17 oneness?

[@krioni86sa]

There are many Jesus' in Jesus time. He didn't even exist. What is your source? Your bible that is full of myth?

[@gjvinegroovin6015]

I love these talks, and is 1 main reason why I appreciate the show so much. Much thanks 🙏 Halleluyah!!!

[@shellybingham4152]

It truly is... one of the things that struck me as so special, Dallas' and the other creators of the show, their desire to get this as right as they can. Peacefully... respectfully... so impressive.

[@davidjohnson4184]

@@krioni86sa A scoffer seeks wisdom in vain, but knowledge is easy for a man of understanding. Leave the presence of a fool, for there you do not meet words of knowledge. The wisdom of the prudent is to discern his way, but the folly of fools is deceiving. Fools mock at the guilt offering, but the upright enjoy acceptance. Provers 14:6-9

[@broeske11]

Bishop Barron's humility shines as he is interrupted more than once after Dallas explicitly asks Bishop for his Theological perspective. I would appreciate hearing the whole discussion.

[@biddiemutter3481]

To be fair, they're all doing a bit of interrupting!

[@JustWriter]

There's a cut at 7:21. He probably said his piece and it's on the DVDs.

[@JustWriter]

They're all piggybacking off of one another. It's less interrupting, more of a puzzle they're participating in putting together and a train they're following to get to the same picture and the same destination.

[@dm-gq5uj]

@@JustWriter Well said! I don't see it as interrupting either - it's not like some political program where the talking heads are all trying to score points from their own team. They're sharing perspectives and listening to each other. It's like having an intense conversation with friends - one says something, and it makes you think of an insight you didn't know you had before and you want to share it.

[@maribelzavala6229]

Absolutely! A true man of God -Bishop Barron

[@e.g.726]

Dallas!!!!! Thank you for bringing Bishop Barron for the round table.... AMAZING!!!!

[@donnal.oglesby4806]

Will you at some point have a Person of the Orthodox Faith as well, to join in some of these decussions??

[@marylourainone8776]

Will the entire sit-down be made available for viewing? I would love to hear more of Bishop Barron's comments about the show.

[@jonhowerton2537]

I know I felt the Bishop was cut off a few times I would like to hear his explanations.

[@lmar9358]

I would love to see the whole conversation too. Thank you, it's an incredible life transforming series that you guys have created. From the bottom of my heart. Thank you.❤️

[@remsaga]

can we????

[@TheSageSpartan]

Still waiting

[@brianpryor9624]

PLEASE DO A WHOLE PODCAST WITH BISHOP ROBERT BARRON!

[@christinasilby08]

Thank you so much for bringing Bishop Barron into the bible consultants team. 🙏

[@michealnelsonauthor]

Yes, but Do let him speak!

[@aliciamarin5226]

As I don't take this series, well done and anointed as it is, as the Gospel, I don't have any conflict with how the writers portray things unknown, i.e. things not in scripture. This show has consistently made me, and probably literal millions of others, think more deeply about Jesus and the Word of God. That's a WIN.

[@richardcallaway4093]

So well put Alicia! Agreed!

[@leeabe3932]

Not really. I've already had conversations with people who thought the Chosen was accurately depicting things as in the Gospel and taking it as truth. In a largely Biblical illiterate culture, fictionalizing sacred history is deceptive and contributes to confusion, esp as viewers are not directed to follow up with the facts with careful resources or index the scenes to the Bible anywhere in the show.

[@txaggie99]

@@leeabe3932 The show has been very clear about this with written disclaimers and stated in many of their online videos. This show is sparking an interest in many people to further seek after and learn about God.

[@aliciamarin5226]

@@richardcallaway4093 thank you

[@TaMboL.VicToRy2911]

THATS KEY 🗝️ THINK DEEPLY 🤔.....AND DEFINITELY "OUTSIDE THE BOX"

[@krizilloo2538]

It’s wonderful to see Bishop Barron participating!

[@randumgaming]

I do genuinely wish we got more uninterrupted input from Bishop Barron. I get a lot of what he says requires explanation for most people, but he comes from an incredibly intense and intelligent background and his input here seemed to be the one most talked over or cut short.

[@myriamc.]

Totally agree!!!

[@jimcallahan9346]

It was very frustrating to watch because Bishop Barron was hardly able to complete a sentence.

[@mnm2156]

well, he can get a lil wordy sometimes, you know? 😅

[@randumgaming]

@@mnm2156 I find that reassuring, it means he actually knows what he's talking about beyond the surface level of a layman's understanding, and that's exactly what the team at the Chosen (and any Christian media company) needs. You want a scene that has more than just pretty clothes and good writing, you want historical accuracy and theological depth that shows us some really powerful things - and some "Easter eggs" for people that know to look for them.

[@dewaynewatson2675]

The catholic? Why? That guy prays to Mary and asks a dead "saint" to help him find his lost keys.

[@kevinhutchings5323]

I want to hear more of what Bishop Baron was going to say.

[@myriamc.]

I agree!🙂🙏🏽

[@tsr3779]

I DONT...HE DOES NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE CATHOLIC CHURCH...HE IS A WOLF

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

@Chris Gomez Well, the key Orthodox and Coptic churches were founded at around the same time as the Catholic Church. Antiquity is not the only thing that matters. It does make the protestant churches look silly and manmade, but we should be clear that it's not true that "all other forms of Christianity is founded in the yr 1500 or later" [sic]

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

​@Chris Gomez What? No, several churches in Greece were founded in the mid first century. Most broke communion with the bishop of Rome in 1054, but they were still founded at the same time as the church in Rome. The Catholic Church of the 1st century included many regional churches, from Rome to Lyons, Jerusalem to Alexandria. Some of those churches wound up breaking off and forming their own loose affiliation; others maintained allegiance to the established Church hierarchy. "Orthodox" isn't one thing, it's a name for a group of regional churches that broke communion with the Catholic Church over the same issues at around the same time. It wasn't "founded," because it's not an institution. It's just a loose (and fracturing) grouping of institutions, many of which have their origin in the Apostles in the 1st century, but some of which were founded much later. This is still different from protestant denominations, which not only broke from Rome very late, but were also founded very late, not as valid bishoprics but as essentially Bible appreciation societies.

[@tylere.8436]

​@@ToxicallyMasculinelol Nothing says bible appreciation like taking out the Deuterocanon thereof because they weren't written in Hebrew, even though they were in the Septuagint, which was the Bible during the time of Jesus - he and his apostles quoted from the Deuterocanon.

[@patvonfeldt3826]

I'm so impressed by the Rabbi who knows & understands more about Jesus' incarnation than most Christians!! Bishop Barron is the best of the Catholic prelates you could have on these panels! Good for you The Chosen Team.. you're getting it right! 🙏

[@kekort2]

Rabbi Sobel is a Messianic Jew.

[@patvonfeldt3826]

@@kekort2 I've not heard of that before... such a wealth of knowledge and lived experience he brings to the discussion.

[@corinneromabiles2410]

We love Bishop Barron - fans from the Philippines. Thank you Dallas for having him as guest

[@mazikode]

Bishop Baron..far out smarts everyon here..so above in wisdom and intellect.

[@txaggie99]

He is very wise indeed and I love hearing him. But each bring a unique special viewpoint to the table, including Dallas bringing us The Chosen. Focusing on who’s better takes away from their individual gifts and the overall message.

[@mazikode]

@@txaggie99 definitely true..thanks to Dallas all this was possible anyway.

[@remsaga]

i find it irritating to cut off the Bishop

[@mazikode]

@@remsaga very irritating. I thought they cut him off alot. And he wasnt able to interject as much he wanted to.

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

I disagree. The bishop believes non biblical things, and the roman catholic church hold tradition above the Bible.

[@MeowyMakes]

Let BIshop Barron speak more! He kept getting interrupted!

[@bunnyharrison8014]

This discussion is superb! It clarifies the dual nature within Jesus of Nazareth. The theological minds Dallas pulls together previously and now including Bishop Barron authenticates the script of The Chosen as it presents the Sermon on the Mount. An aside to Dallas, may we have more of these deep dives with these knowledgeable theologians Blessings on this work. .

[@gloriamartinez265]

BishopBarron was very attentive to the other participants. I wish they would have been as respectful to him. They dominated the discussion discussion. He could I think he would be a great consultant for the show.

[@brucebarber4104]

I noticed there were edits around what the Bishop said.

[@christinearena1909]

I would agree 💯. I wish they had let him finish, not edit him out, and pay attention to his wisdom. I also wish Dallas would feel confident in his work enough to lay it out there and be ready to take constructive criticism. Unfortunately it seems like he's trying to be affirmed every step of the way, and while I empathize with that and understand that, it takes a lot of the air out of the room and it takes away from the very reason why you brought these intelligent minds in to consult. If you're asking for a consultant, you should listen to what they have to say and it should be an even dialogue not one dominated by the one who's asking for advice

[@jimdallariva7208]

Bishop Barron is confused about whether individuals can go to hell. Expert?

[@brucebarber4104]

@@jimdallariva7208, where is that discussed in the video?

[@reginapontes5672]

@@brucebarber4104 Bishop Barrron said that directly to Ben Shapiro when they both appeared together on Dave Rubin's YT show called The Rubin Reporr. It's very popular.

[@Vereglez-d4z]

Well done Bishop Barron ❤️ Glory to God!

[@icejunki]

I have loved how this entire project unites all Christians across the globe. Jesus is the Christ and I know what you are doing is helping God's children know him and Come Unto Him.

[@pauletteladucer202]

The wisdom of Bishop Baron!

[@mariachavez8173]

I thought the same. Although, it was not competition he kicked them all like a bowling ball.

[@dm-gq5uj]

I am Catholic, but thought all of them had valuable insights.

[@amandapflanz1041]

Way to go Bishop Baron ❤️🙏🏻

[@dominiquegermann6089]

BISHOP BARRON!! YAY!!

[@remsaga]

I want more Bishop's Insights

[@EAP0804]

Bishop Baron is the only one who got interrupted every time he spoke.

[@David-_-_-]

Usually it was just because he was using big words and they didn't understand and wanted to make sure they knew what he was talking about. eg: hypostatic union Theologians will theologe :P

[@1907jdee]

@@David-_-_- then wait for him finish and ask, its polite!

[@thebabynurse7161]

That’s because he’s Catholic.

[@spyroninja]

When the Catholic makes the most sense in the room, the Protestants get antsy.

[@remsaga]

let the Bishop speak!!!!

[@shonpinto1]

It’s great to see Bishop Barron being invited ! There is so much to learn from him . His podcasts with Jordan Peterson are pure gold .

[@thetruthshallsetyoufree1]

One scene, can not take away the love that this entire show has freely bought to so many people around the globe. The joy of finding Jesus all over again or re-igniting the love we already have for him. I don't know about you, but I cry, every scene where Jesus talks to anyone (btw, Roumie, hands down best Jesus actor of all time, the kindness in his facial expressions and mannerisms really pulls on the heartstrings). That to me, is what i believe the show is about and what is intended by it. Lots of peace, love and blessings to you all ❤🙏🌏

[@katieserra6492]

I love how this show is bringing people together in ecumenical communication. We need to come together and learn about God from one another.

[@mkathrynblacker5960]

I personally believe Jesus knew exactly who touched his cloak. Kind of like when you ask a child, "Did you just kick Jimmy?" You know they did it. You just saw them do it. But you are testing their character.

[@stewartcollins948]

Similar to how God asked Adam and Eve where they were. God is all-knowing, but yet He still asked them.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

Or it could simply be he didn’t know because God hadn’t told him yet. Remember Jesus said he does not know when he will return, that only his Father knew that.

[@crimsonstreams]

@@youngknowledgeseeker God didn’t need to tell him nothing. He is God in flesh form. Who was one of the three men who sat and ate with Abraham? It was the Lord Jesus Christ. I’m saying this to show that Jesus was and is and will be forever. Adam and Eve saw Jesus Christ when they saw God, so did Abraham, and Moses. Jesus is God

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

@@crimsonstreams I highly doubt that sir. And that is from reading the Bible. I’m pretty sure that is all just tradition. He is Gods son not God. We know Jesus doesn’t know things. He says himself he doesn’t know when he will return and that only his Father does know.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

@@gracecrosina9068 Believe me I understand how sensitive and charged this topic is for many people. I was raised traditional Christian. Of course I’ve read John 1 and studied it. I believed every traditional belief. That the Trinity was real. That Jesus was God. That you have an immortal spirit. That God burns people in a fire forever where they can’t die and just burn for eternity, all of their “nerves”, if they’re judged bad. I believed all of it. But the day I actually started taking God seriously (not saying you or anyone doesn’t) and actually read my Bible all of that changed. We are fed many lies from tradition and we eat them up unknowingly and even love them. Jesus being God is one of them. He is the one and only God’s *son*. He is the God of Israel’s Messiah. He is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob’s promised King. He is YHWH’s/Jehovah’s miraculously born human son. You can only learn this if you seek with an open mind, read and study. It’s not even hard or hidden. It’s just we are bombarded, since birth, with false ideas we deeply grow to believe are true. So that even statements like “Why do you call me good? Only one ☝️ is good, that is the Father” can just go in one of our ears and out the other. Or statements like “This is eternal life, that they may know you (Father) the *only* true God, AND (that they may know) Jesus Christ whom you (the only true God) sent”…. Best wishes, may God give us and open our minds up to all truths, including me. Edit: But if you were looking for me to reply to that actual scripture, John 1 simply means something like Jesus is an accurate representation of God. The word “word” was a word packed with meaning for the ancient reader whether Jewish or Greek. Notice that John 1, among other things, is most certainly a reference to Genesis 1 where God spoke creation into existence. (We have to ask ourselves questions like do we really think that Jesus was sentences before he was born?) The word of God in Genesis was an expression of Gods mind/will/intent, and carried out his will, and was intimately associated with him, finding the origin of its very existence in God. In his speech in Genesis 1 came the existence or appearance of life and light. It was even his mode of interaction with the world in later writings . To the Greeks the “word” was akin to Gods reason/logic/plan for the world, the thing that gave it its continued existence and meaning for its existence. So yes the word “was” God (in the Greek language it was written in it could actually be “was like God”, but I don’t make a big issue of that, John still conveys the same message either way), but not literally. John was saying that the word of God can be found in the person of Jesus, that the God of the universe is expressing himself and working in Jesus. When you hear Jesus words, and see his actions in his ministry, you are seeing Gods words and actions.

[@TheImperiusv]

One of my favorite Christological quotes, I forgot where I heard it, is that you don't want to come up with a view of Jesus that turns him into Superman disguised as Clark Kent. Meaning that you don't want to have him be all divine, all the time, but occasionally holding back. Such a view, I think, diminishes the real pain and full range of human emotion that Jesus experienced. Not to mention it interferes with various models of the atonement that require Jesus to be really human in order to elevate humanity. Bishop Barron's citation of Augustine of Jesus being in the form of God and being in the form of a slave gets to it. There are moments in the Gospels where he is seen as full of divine majesty, power, and knowledge; and some parts where he acts like a regular guy (minus sin).

[@360hershey7]

I am so happy to see Bishop Robert Barron on this roundtable of consultants. He's a brilliant, devout, traditional Catholic with a total heart for evangelization, which The Chosen seems anointed to do: spread the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus! Bishop Barron is a great complement to this group of learned representatives of their beliefs. Truly, Dallas, thank you!

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

I agree with you, but those models of the atonement are really dubious. I would say you run into an equal number of problems when you come up with a view of God that places arbitrary limits on his salvatory abilities. So any model that _requires_ anything of God is suspicious. It seems a lot more plausible to me that God could have saved us in an infinite number of ways, but he chose the mode of sacrifice because it was most pleasing to him and it taught the greatest possible lesson to humanity.

[@divine_scorpio2859]

I love watching this. I have been starting to attend church after nearly a year of excuses to not. The chosen has helped to put a fire in me to read scripture and pursue God more. There is scripture in The Chosen that finally makes sense to me. I have watched many Christian films about the life of Jesus, and the scripture was still confusing, and I had a hard time connecting with Jesus. This is the first time I can identify with scripture and I feel that I am being granted clarity. I can see better now how Jesus is the son of God and human at the same time. Thank you Chosen for helping me come back to the Lord, and develop a better relationship with him.

[@J.F.331]

I think there is a crucial part missing from the discussion. Jesus states many times, that He spoke as He heard from the Father. I don’t believe He needed to rehearse, He wholly submitted Himself to the Father and He heard and taught what He heard from the Father (John 12:49-50).

[@emmanuelcasado]

Did he needed to learn to speak and how to behave in his culture, or when he was a baby he knew everything (as he is God) and just acted like he was a weak baby that make baby stuff and doesn't know anything?

[@sjappiyah4071]

I don’t see what you’re getting at here, It says the message was from the father, doesn’t mean Jesus couldn’t rehearse the message his father gave to him prior to preaching it to the masses. I’m not saying I agree with the Chosen’s presentation of that moment, but the verse you brought is a non-sequitur

[@dennyfromcharlestonsc3325]

@@emmanuelcasado Did you know how to speak, talk, walk etc as a baby and then as a child? Didn't you have to be able to learn? Still you are fully human, right? Why would He be any different than the rest of us, if He had to live as a human being fully? Otherwise, His sacrifice would have being impossible.

[@emmanuelcasado]

@@dennyfromcharlestonsc3325 therefore, is He was a fully human then is very likely that He had to prepare his speech because he had a human brain and is what humans do when they need to speak in front of an audience.

[@condoguy710]

Dallas insists on justifying this major error and none of these "experts" want to criticize him for introducing a reckless speculation that directly questions the Divinity of Jesus as the Word made flesh.. As you mentioned the scripture John 12:49-50 Jesus says every thing he said was directly from the Father. Once Jesus was baptized in the Spirit He moved and spoke under the power.

[@crisnuevo8723]

So nice to see the consultants discussing these together. Bishop Barron explains complex things so well. It’s always humbling to realise that these issues are also not new, and the church has been discussing these in the past 2000 years.

[@jonhowerton2537]

The Council of Chalcedon in 451 clearly defined the two natures of Christ.

[@patgregory7869]

Again Bishop Robert Barron ,the Gentleman.

[@lesleehathaway8116]

I appreciate the way that “ The Chosen” brings the Bible to life. Dallas brings the human aspect to the Bible! Can you just imagine how many people are relating to the interpretation of these people? Grasping to the tangible? Being able to draw back on different episodes to find some clarity to confusing issues? Thank you. This is a perfect interpretation to help beginners and those who are more advanced in their walk with Jesus!

[@lesleehathaway8116]

@The Batman everyone understand that but he does bring a tangible view that a new Christian can relate to, thus helps one on their journey! How wonderful is that!

[@nancywizner5132]

When this man, Jonathan Roumie, portrays Jesus in "The Chosen," he is the only man who played the part as I so much wanted. As a human "man." A man who lived, laughed and loved. All other actors were so serious, so stiff (if that is the proper word). Jonathan is everything I would imagine Jesus Christ to be like. Thank you Jonathan Roumie!

[@kanecena9272]

You need be careful with that ideology. We are not too look at actors as representatives of Christ but instead need to look at his Church.

[@nancywizner5132]

@@kanecena9272 I so understand what you are saying. However, sometimes I feel Christ may choose those he wishes to have get his messages out.

[@kanecena9272]

@@nancywizner5132 Remember when Paul was in Athens and he preached the gospel did he compromise with the world? If you had to choose to swim in a pool that is clear and a pool that is even a little dirty, you would most likely choose the pool that is clear. So likewise we should treat God's word.

[@nancywizner5132]

@@kanecena9272 Then we should also not listen to a priest? They preach the word of the Lord. I do believe Christ Himself chose Peter as the first Pope. All apostles preached His word (at the request of Christ). He chose them. So sorry, I have to disagree with you on your reply.

[@kanecena9272]

@@nancywizner5132 no we shouldn't a catholic priest preaches what the Catholic church says and not what the apostles preach which they preached the gospel. Yes of course the Lord chooses his servants. My metaphor of the swimming pools was referring to should we watch the chosen or not.

[@st.bartsreligioused2843]

A bigger problem for me, was the apostles and other disciples advertising for his sermon. I don't think that was necessary. People were following him and using more grassroots ways of finding out about his message.

[@andrewstarrmd]

I really appreciate how Dallas isn’t afraid to collaborate and essentially humbles himself by identifying as a learner. Yet, he makes decisive choices! Even if this movie were made by say the Cardinals and Pope of the Catholic Church, there would still be disagreement! And Dallas is collaborating with many religions to make a realistic and profoundly moving film experience. Bravo 👏

[@jetc4332]

Honestly, I don't think he prepared for his sermons, but I do believe He is both truly man and truly God.

[@pklemets]

Your assessment is more accurate than those who wasted their time with books. I'm for study but not at the expense of twisting scripture to say something that is not there. The gospels gave an honest report of Jesus life and actions. Where the scriptures are silent, we should be silent and where the scriptures are loud we should be loud. A writing attributed to Peter from the first century states, we were careful not to add or take away from Jesus life. Perhaps we would do well to oblige in the same respect to avoid error.

[@hitnapomoczanemirne7345]

And what about Mark 13,11 ...do not worry beforehand about what to say; no, say whatever is given to you when the time comes, because it is not you who will be speaking; it is the Holy Spirit... this kind of clame must have come from his experience...

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

@@pklemets "wasted their time with books"? what on earth are you talking about. how does not reading books somehow make you less prone to error? if we were silent in every case where the scriptures are silent, we would have nothing to say about huge gaps in the narrative. moreover, scripture is only one of the two modes of the Word of God. as Paul very clearly says, "So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter." (2 Thessalonians 2:15) the authors of the Gospels only bothered to include the most important details, as it was very expensive to write and reproduce these texts. the writers of the epistles did not write them expecting them to be compiled into scripture. there WAS NO scripture for decades after the resurrection. the Church had to create its canon, based on divine inspiration. it knew it had the authority to do this because Jesus promised them the holy spirit would guide them in their preaching. they were preaching orally for decades before they wrote any of this down. and they didn't just stop preaching orally after they started writing. they always knew that the Word of God was oral tradition, and they simply committed some of it to writing so it would be preserved more accurately over the ages and transmitted over greater distances. they certainly did not expect that modern people would go around saying that ONLY the writing matters, and that all of their oral teachings should be disregarded.

[@maryanneminich6554]

Good to see Bishop Barron in the discussion group. He’s such a smart theologian.

[@mommyseastar5776]

I’m waiting for Bishop Barron...ah, there he is! About half way through.

[@annaraeellison3417]

I Love Bishop Barren!! I'm not Catholic; I have learned so much from this brother in Christ. How were you able to snag him for this conversation? How long were you able to converse with him? I really want to meet him some day!

[@brucebarber4104]

I agree Bishop Barron is excellent! His many KZbin and Word on Fire Institute videos have helped me tremendously.

[@360hershey7]

Me, toi, us, too!! (My husband and me!!)

[@royahawke]

Catholics aren't Christians... There's a world of difference between how each person from each congregation sees how salvation works.

[@klutziekat7709]

Imagine having google at your finger tips and still thinking that Catholics aren't Christians. 5 minutes of studying church history will show you that the Catholic Church IS the church Jesus established on earth. Every other Christian denomination was born from breaking communion with and disobeying the one true church.

[@brucebarber4104]

@@klutziekat7709, thank you!

[@geraldinec1124]

Perhaps I’m bias because I’m catholic but It saddens me that I barely get to hear what the Bishop Barren has to say most about this matter. I pray that one day we’ll be able to hear more or allow the Bishop to speak more

[@derikgogg1726]

AHHH I could listen to knowledgeable Biblical scholars all day! Love the video!!!

[@PaweMikler]

The truth is not a fact or a statement. The truth is the Person: Jesus Christ. No one can know the truth except by knowing the Person of Jesus. It is thanks to His grace that we no longer need to perish under the weight of the truth.

[@jazznotes3802]

Amen 🙏🏻

[@nancypearce3170]

For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. John 12:49

[@hitnapomoczanemirne7345]

And what about Mark 13,11 ...do not worry beforehand about what to say; no, say whatever is given to you when the time comes, because it is not you who will be speaking; it is the Holy Spirit... this kind of clame must have come from his experience...

[@S.C.500]

I hope one day I'll have the opportunity to ask Jesus about this in person and get a real answer. While these guys are making good points, I'm still not convinced He really needed to prepare/rehearse for the sermon. I don't think He prepared/rehearsed anything when He spoke/taught plainly to the 12, or even when using parables with people.

[@katepalmer4540]

U are right on

[@emmakeyser1459]

So very true.God needs no prep.

[@IIBloodXLustII]

@@emmakeyser1459 But Jesus is also fully man. We know he felt fear (Luke 22:42-44), but God does not fear. God incarnated a part of himself as man to be man. He is still fully God, as He is God. But He is also fully man with all that the flesh entails. He did not commit sin, as it is not in God's nature to sin at all, but I feel like everything that makes man a man without sin was what Jesus was. Adam before the fall as it were.

[@timmedlin3969]

It almost seemed like the discussion was referencing scriptures to justify what had already been decided. But there is scripture elsewhere, Matthew 10:19 which is “But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say." The parallel passage in Luke states it as "So make up your minds not to prepare beforehand to defend yourselves", that is, don't prepare a sermon. :) To be fair, they have a hard task making the film and they do pray about it and don't take anything lightly. See? It made you ask a question of yourself and got you thinking about something you may not have considered. I think that is always good.

[@EscapingBabylon]

You don't need to wait. He already answered this directly from his mouth in the Scriptures. They are so close and dancing all around it. Jesus' ministry and teaching was guided purely by the Holy Spirit after his baptism. He wasn't fretting over how to say things. In John 12:49 Jesus himself states that he did not speak on his own authority, but the Father who sent him commanded him what to say, and how to speak. Verse 50, I speak exactly what the Father has told me to say. Also, he spoke as one who had authority, not merely practiced like the scribes, and the people marveled at his teaching (Matt 7:28-29, Mark 1:22). Again, in Luke 21:14-15 when preparing the hearers for coming trials he said not to prepare beforehand how to answer, for he would give them words and wisdom when the time came. These are just off the top of my head. I'm sure if one were to spend the time there are many other passages, some coming directly from the mouth of Jesus himself to settle this. The producers seemed to get it right when Jesus was being questioned as a boy. Not sure why they went a different direction here.

[@SanzL1]

I don’t know why people struggle so much with this. It seems perfectly understandable to me.

[@lampsaltlight]

I was asking the same question 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@jeremysmith9694]

Maybe you're God

[@asaphhere]

Read John 12:48-50, then you will understand why its controversial. 48 He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. 49 For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak. 50 I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me.” He already knows what to say. He doesn't need to prepare for anything, which makes this scene misleading. Another verse that proves Christ knowing all things: John 16:30 Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.”

[@asaphhere]

@@lampsaltlight Read John 12:48-50, then you will understand why its controversial. 48 He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. 49 For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak. 50 I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me.” He already knows what to say. He doesn't need to prepare for anything, which makes this scene misleading. Another verse that proves Christ knowing all things: John 16:30 Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.”

[@Dianalynn62]

@@asaphhere Then maybe God said...write a sermon and said no more...we don't know the exact timing of God's direction with Jesus...Maybe...God gave Jesus that sermon right before He walked out to preach it...If God didn't want Jesus to search for anything in the human part of Him...I don't think Jesus would of been sent out into the dessert to be tempted.... there would of been no need... I think God has us in mind when he did it all.... it's that simple...it's that mysterious...it's that incredible.

[@work7844]

Bishop Barron is speaking a foreign language (for example, explain hypostasis) to so many believers, yet he is speaking what the Church has taught for almost 2,000 years. The fact that this is controversial shows the void in much of the modern church's theology. This was a valuable discussion to bring it to light.

[@really3062]

We can all agree, everything Jesus said is perfect, with that said would he rehearse everything he was about to say? ... Lol seems silly doesn't it.

[@txaggie99]

Jesus is love, and in his love he would want his message to be understood by as many people as possible. He was delivering his message to us in his humanity so that he would connect to us in our humanity. The Bible says several times that Jesus learned new things, which again would be his fully human nature. There’s nothing wrong with the idea that Jesus might have rehearsed something. As long as you know the scene of rehearsing the sermon on the mount with Matthew was just a cinematic interpretation, then we can appreciate the way this biblical message is delivered in The Chosen, which was very powerful and impacts many viewers.

[@EldrickDonuts]

more bishop Barron!

[@TroyBlack]

Interesting discussion. It seems like, if He had not prepared at all, it would be more like prophecy than preaching. So, if it was a sermon then Jesus could have easily spent time preparing.

[@brucebarber4104]

I don't think people realize that the Gospels are 4 biographies on the life of Jesus. He most likely delivered His sermons multiple times and it is not outside the realm of possibility for Him to have prepared beforehand.

[@freshliving4199]

I do not believe that Jesus prepared anything. He had God's spirit dwelling in Him, the Truth. So therefore He would know exactly what to say and when. The Truth requires no preparation. You are of it or you you are not. Be still and know. Not be still and prepare.

[@goudagirl6095]

I liked what Dallas said, that Jesus knew He'd be speaking to many different types of people, so He wanted to get His point across in the simplest way. I think (if this were true) that its just another way that Jesus showed His love for the common man, in all humility; that He so wanted to make sure that everyone understood, in order to bring them to faith, that He wanted to get it "just right."

[@hitnapomoczanemirne7345]

And what about Mk 13,11 ...do not worry beforehand about what to say; no, say whatever is given to you when the time comes, because it is not you who will be speaking; it is the Holy Spirit... this kind of clame must have come from his experience...

[@brucebarber4104]

@@hitnapomoczanemirne7345, Mark places the story later in his Gospel account than Matthew and Luke. I think the context around this particular saying of Jesus is important. In all 3 Gospel accounts, Jesus is referencing the future persecution of believers. Therefore, I believe the context in which Jesus said those words is important. Like I commented above, I believe Jesus told the same or similar stories many times during His ministry. That being said, Matthew's account of the sermon is specific regarding what happened that particular day, and I personally don't think he practiced it beforehand. What we don't know is whether or not it was the first time He delivered that particular sermon that particular day. Recall, Luke's account describes a sermon on the plain and Matthew's account describes a sermon on the mount.

[@justinmora9636]

Bishop Barron has an incredibly powerful intellect!

[@caterinadc5567]

I wish you had allowed more of Bishop Barron's contributions to uninterrupted/uncut. It seems from the framing of this video that he was trying to say something that was ultimately edited into oblivion, to the point that we don't even get to know what he really wanted to communicate. I understand that the makers of The Chosen may disagree with the Catholic perspective -- but if you're going to claim we're seeing a roundtable about something controversial, it would have been better to actually see the controversy: allowed to see a full conversation in which genuinely different opinions were heard (not just cut and edited to sound as if differences of opinion here aren't really significant/grounded in good reason). Not potentially cut out anything that isn't affirming of the creative choice that was made by the show. (Which, maybe the Bishop wasn't even going to critique that, and personally I think there's a perfectly good argument that can be made for the way The Chosen presented things. But I also think there's a perfectly good argument *against* the way The Chosen presented things, and it sounded as if Bishop Barron might be trying to articulate that -- but his comments were cut/edited so severely that we didn't get to benefit from it.)

[@mazikode]

So true...he was so interrupted but i think he has the most intelligent opinions here.

[@CatholicCulturePod]

It's not clear to me why Jesus would need to spend more effort figuring out what how He was going to phrase things to communicate effectively to a diverse crowd in the Sermon on the Mount than the Apostles needed to spend figuring this out for their preaching to the crowd on Pentecost - where they spoke spontaneously and from the Holy Spirit without concern for syntax. I get what the writers were trying to do here, but having him quibbling over this or that word doesn't fit well with other things we see in Scripture, and with Jesus' telling the disciples not to prepare speeches when they have to defend themselves. I like it better when they show Him accepting input from His disciples, I think that's a more effective and elegant way of getting across the organic and spontaneous nature of Jesus's humanity responding to His environment.

[@bransrubar]

God doesn't always work in exactly the same way as He did in the past. Also remember, Peter had a tendency to just start talking, often putting his foot in it. That may simply have been his style, and the Holy Spirit worked through it. Jesus may have been more of a planner when living on Earth. We can't know. I do very much appreciate, and get what Dallas was going for in that scene. I think The Chosen has a brilliant portrayal of Jesus.

[@condoguy710]

Jesus told the disciples not to worry about what they would say, that at the moment the Spirit would give them the words and that's exactly what happened. The scribes and pharisees were amazed at Peter's ability to preach the entire reasoning for Jesus as the Messiah. No sermon prep. It's just Dallas cannot admit he was wrong. I think it could be pride in not wanting to admit he introduced a fatal flaw in Jesus of the show. I don't see how Dallas is going to be able to get back on track after this debacle.

[@bransrubar]

@@condoguy710 Jesus said that to the disciples and for certain situations. He didn't necessarily say it about everyone and for all times. I still see nothing wrong with the sermon prep.

[@JuanDiaz-ud7ji]

I would like to hear more the comments from Bishop Barron, but unfortunately he couldn’t have a better opportunity to explain himself.

[@christinepemberton5077]

If Jesus hadn't cried, when He was a baby, how would have Mary known when He was hungry or needed changing? Crying, for a baby, isn't selfishness. It's the first way they communicate. I absolutely believe He would have cried! Now, 2 year old temper tantrums is a whole different story! 😂

[@jenniferharned6484]

I agree with you!

[@mnm2156]

i wonder if Jesus had tantrums? 😅

[@daniellenm395]

I wish we could have heard more from Bishop Barron, can we see the full interview?

[@bobareebop]

Likewise here.

[@MagdalenaIsaiah43]

I see we are a real fan club over here❣️ Love the good Bishop too. I was so thrilled to see him on the panel I wanted to do a headstand for sheer joy😇 Hope we get to see more of this brilliant and classy man of GOD 🙏✝️❤️

[@michaeljanssen2504]

I find more insight, value and truth about Jesus in Bishop Barron's talks than all of the episodes of The Chosen. I'm afraid that people will take more liberties in "interpreting" the life of Jesus through media representation than that stated in the Bible. I prefer to rely on true scholars and biblical experts than movie producers wanting to tell a good story. If this did nothing else, it opened the eyes of people looking for more answers not entertainment.

[@brucebarber4104]

Agreed!

[@brucebarber4104]

@@michaeljanssen2504, I agree with your assessment. Of course, Bishop Barron is an Apostolic successor, so that may have something to do with the first sentence of your comment. God Bless.

[@johnthompson2256]

Each of season 1 had a discussion like this. More of this as extras please.

[@luna2690]

No one mentioned that he's the living Word of God (John 1:1-14) or that he taught in the temple when he was twelve (Luke 2:41-52)? There's evidence for both sides, so I'm really, really surprised these weren't even mentioned, especially when a) they're so well known, and b) they're included in episodes of the show.

[@surfshop7552]

Very good

[@hitnapomoczanemirne7345]

And what about Mk 13,11 ...do not worry beforehand about what to say; no, say whatever is given to you when the time comes, because it is not you who will be speaking; it is the Holy Spirit... this kind of clame must have come from his experience...

[@lawrencet.mcguilicutty7447]

Got to admit, this is the one scene that bugged me. But I got it. But I got a believe that the words flowed from Jesus like a river. He didn’t have to think.

[@bransrubar]

Why do you have to believe that? I'm not accusing, just curious

[@papersugarrush]

Dallas I personally love your show and how you disclose your process of execution and your research with the audience! I can only imagine the pressure you all must go through! Thank you❣️ My observation on this topic is that maybe a better choice would’ve been Jesus preparing for this wonderful sermon on his knees, trusting in the guidance of the Father. I’m not an expert but in Luke 12:11, Matthew 10:19, Mark 13:11 it is mentioned to the apostles not to worry about what they need to say but rather God will give them what to say! Our pastor shared with us that he would prepare the sermons beforehand and God told him not to prepare a written sermon but rather ask Him that morning in prayer, what word in scripture he needs to present to us that day and it’s ALWAY wonderful! Thank you Dallas!😊

[@hitnapomoczanemirne7345]

Finally somebody said it. Too bad u r not catholic🤗 I never prepare sermons but it comes in prayer... if i (very poor siner) do like that u can imagine how He did it...

[@pvonberg]

So cool to see Bishop Barron a part of this.

[@brucebarber4104]

I agree! I hope they release the entire discussion soon. I could listen to Bishop Barron all day.

[@dianat3836]

Love Bishop Barron 👏🏻

[@fidelfolozanoiii4499]

Who loves Jesus who don't and why? Jesus loves and obey the Father who is the Father? John 14:24 Whoever does not love me does not observe my words. The word that you are hearing is not mine, but belongs to the Father who sent me. 31 But for the world to know that I love the Father, I am doing just as the Father has commanded me to do. Get up, let us go from here.

[@vitafranc]

Whilst I appreciate what the creators were trying to show in this scene, I think if Jesus told us not to worry about what to say or how to say it: "At that time you will be given what to say" (Matthew 10:19) I think it's likely He followed His own advice. I know He's the God of Wisdom and was filled with the Spirit the whole time with no breaks. Another important detail - He IS the Word. So that's another big reason why this particular scene didn't quite work for me as well.

[@thomasfryxelius5526]

There´s nothing in the NT that says Jesus prepared his sermons, but also nothing that says He didn´t. So you may well be right that the Word was never at a loss for words. Seems kinda strange I admit. But just to comment on the text you quoted; He doesn´t say they should never prepare what to say, He says "When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour." so He´s not saying we shouldn´t prepare our sermons but that if we are brought before a trial we should not prepare our defence but rely on the Spirit in that moment to give us wisdom. I think a pastor that does not prepare his sermons is doing something wrong.

[@BillyGorst]

Also according to Matthew the Sermon on the Mount was spontaneous. It wasn't something they handed out little fliers for like in the show; the people all gathered to be healed, and there he opened his mouth and spoke. He received his sayings from the Father; he said I have not spoken of myself, as the Father commanded me so I speak. So it wasn't just something he formulated out of his own mind on the fly, or came up with.

[@emlih1898]

@@BillyGorst yes! preparation signals doubt in what God the Father was telling him. it signals doubt in himself. This is radical, but there’s no doubt in faith. I believe Jesus knew what His Father wanted him to speak and he spoke it as led by the Holy Spirit. i don’t know and we don’t know that he prepared it. it is going outside the bounds of scripture. whenever i am preparing how to impart Gods truth, it’s always because i am relying on myself alone and haven’t been led by God. i am not trusting God to give me the words. it i think it’s best to know God’s Word through His Word vs. through a movie or tv series which can get you to forget or doubt God’s Word. but yet, i see how this series can draw someone closer to God. so, i don’t reject what is being done through this series.

[@BillyGorst]

@@emlih1898 100%. And I know Spirit-filled preachers today who never plan what they're going to say, they just start speaking and let the Holy Spirit lead them. So obviously Jesus, as the most Spirit-filled man in history, was able to speak as the Spirit gave him the best words right then and there. That's what I think, anyway.

[@michaeldukes4108]

Very interesting point, OP!

[@pattitaylor7300]

Peter gave the sermon on the day of Pentecost apparently without preparation. Jesus told them not to worry about their answer, the Spirit would provide. And He is the Word made flesh. I just don’t think you are correct. I have more trouble with the pageantry of it all. I don’t think it was on a stage with a curtain. I did not like that episode at all. And I’ve been one of your biggest fans.

[@emmakeyser1459]

agree and well said.

[@2b16p]

For me I thought the "stage" was visual version of transliteration, to help people of today understand the scale of the crowds Jesus taught to. I personally think the Sermon on the Mount was what Jesus taught over and over to different groups of people, and Matthew collected all the teachings together in his Gospel. I understand narratively why they built up to the Sermon on the Mount as more of an event for the show, and I think it works in terms of telling a dramatic story. I more wonder on the historical accuracy of parchment notices, haha! Paper, papyrus, and parchment were very scarce. I think the disciples' reactions to Jesus's rising fame are authentically portrayed however, and I love The Chosen as a springboard to learning about the bible and Christianity. And I wonder how many people went and read Matthew 5-7 when the screen cut to black to hear what Jesus was going to say next?

[@pattitaylor7300]

@@2b16p I’m a purest, a literalist. I don’t presume anything about Matthew’s intent other than what he said. I think the gospel writers strived to tell the truth exactly as it happened. To think otherwise is to inject myself into the story. Truth was important. On the other hand, my husband, also a fan, had no such problem with the stage and agrees with your insight. It highly diminished my love of the series. I’ve watched the first season about four times. I had no problem to the changes to Peter’s conversion (which makes me a hypocrite I guess.) i guess the part I object to are the subtle changes to the character of Christ. You can mess with story lines and I can forgive those nuances. I can’t forgive the interpretation of Jesus Christ. It has ended my love of the series. And I don’t particularly care for Dallas’ ability to handle criticism of his work. I dare say I won’t watch another episode. And that’s a truth that Dallas has to live with, the losing of a fan.

[@pattitaylor7300]

And the portrayal of John the Baptist has particularly annoyed me. I am attempting to memorize John. The first chapter is the story of John the Baptist and the role he played. I have so much new respect for that role. He literally said twice he did not know him and I have to take him at his word. I also think he commands our respect. And Dallas trivialized him in my mind.

[@condoguy710]

@@pattitaylor7300 that Dallas trivialized JTB ? I think so. I thought the creepy John thing should have stopped after Peter said it once. Then JTB is jumping out the bushes to scare people. It was just a horrible portrayal. IS that what you meant?

[@damali.]

This is why I immediately accepted and was completely comfortable with the concept of Jesus preparing for his sermon: mainly because I saw the significance of Jesus choosing Matthew to “help” him. Matthew had not too long ago expressed how he felt outside of the “circle.” This could be a healing quality time with Matthew. A deeper and impactful connection with Matthew is being made, which would have somehow had to have happened back then (biblical times) in some way. This also enables Matthew to use his mind for good because for so long, he used his mind to participate in the severe oppression of the Jewish people. He admitted to Mary that he was a bad person. I can imagine that through these inclusive and accepting interactions with Jesus, he would begin to see himself as a good person, which could be part of the beginning of transformation and seeing himself as God sees him! And we know that ultimately Matthew uses his brilliant mind for God’s Kingdom. This is a great example of how there’s multi-dimensions and divine depth in what Jesus does - even if it doesn’t make sense. Well done The Chosen writing team!! 👏🏾

[@lemuboyorcullo981]

It's amazing that bishop Barron is present. The catholic church is the only church founded by Jesus Christ himself. Therefore we should reach out to the authority of the catholic church to make our faith/life/goals concrete and fruitful. The reason why I'm saying this is because bishop Barron is literally giving these men a lecture.

[@roseerose27]

One thing many forget... A form of teaching others when we already know the answer is to ask questions to those learning in order to lead them to understanding. Of course JESUS knew everything!🥰

[@mikeshahan1960]

We see Jesus knowing men's thoughts and knowing other facts in the world supernaturally. We also know he lived an authentic human life with all that attendant meaning. How those two seemingly contradictory positions can meld into a cohesive whole is a mystery that I doubt we mere mortals can fully grasp. We can know, however, that Jesus took no unfair advantage nor used his Godhood selfishly at any time. We must remember he voluntarily set aside his divine prerogative when called for and used it when needed. I have no issue with how Dallas has portrayed his humanity by showing him studying for his talk. But personally, I don't think that was necessary. How his two natures coexisted during his incarnation is a beautiful mystery we'll get to ask him about when we see him.

[@bransrubar]

It's possible that Jesus the Incarnate Human did not know everything automatically. It could easily be like on "Touched by an Angel." The Angels have supernatural knowledge when God wants them to, other times they discover everything just like a human. Frequently the show said, "You'll have what you need when you need it." We can't really know how the Incarnation worked until we ask Him in Heaven and even then, we may not understand it fully.

[@julianamicklos4153]

WOW! Absolutely enjoyed watching the commentaries. The Chosen is a BLESSING to so many! One disappointment that I have watching the commentaries, is that Bishop Barron who many have watched both Catholics and non Catholics, is interrupted and is not allowed to finish giving his thoughts on the topic. Bishop Barron is a Spirit lead man, who is scholarly, a theologian, a philosopher and is a Christian apologetic... and he speaks multiple languages as well. Bishop Barron offers such a rich depth to the conversation, please respect his time when he is speaking and allow him to finish without interruptions. Thank you.

[@fnv870]

Suddenly everyone in the comment section are Perfect Theologians😂😂😂 AND, if y'all in the comment section think that Jesus was not fully man and fully God then y'all have to really study about your Faith even more. Also, Dallas, Thankyou for what you and the team has been doing through the Chosen. And Thank you for these Discussions with the leaders of Catholics, and Protestants! 🔥✝️🔥

[@beavadakkoot]

Amen! Great comment! Completely agree ;) 😂😂

[@doldier]

Just like a square circle, the Paradox of being fully man and fully God does not exist. The studying is done and still don’t see a Godman mentioned anywhere in scriptures. But one clearly man and the one true God which every man including Jesus submits to.

[@stephenjohnson9632]

@@doldier You need to study scripture again. Jesus said “Before Abraham was, I am.”. This speaks to His eternality. He forgave sin, which something on God could do. We walked on water and controls the seas, which is something only God could do (Job 9:8). The list goes on and on.

[@Mr2001ghost]

@@doldier I used to think God was beholden to the laws of logic too but then i realised that God created these laws of logic to reflect one part of his divine character. God is all powerful (omnipotent) which means he has unlimited potential to do an unlimited amount of things. Meaning, even though we cannot understand it, God can indeed create a square circle and we have to sit here baffled by how he done it and why we can never fully grasp it. Please brother, don’t put God in a box and say he can or cannot do certain things simply because we as humans cannot reason them out.

[@jonhowerton2537]

@@doldier “still don’t see a Godman mentioned in scripture” “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭RSV-CI‬‬ “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1:14‬ ‭RSV-CI‬‬ The word was God therefore the Word =God The word became flesh Therefore God became flesh Two natures. Therefore Godman mentioned in scripture.

[@williamchirinos1652]

Wow, this is why Jesus left a Church with teachers. With all due respect the pastor and Dallas are talking heresy and they don’t even know it. I hope Dallas stops taking so many liberties about Jesus human and divine nature, as it can lead people in the wrong idea of who Jesus is. Fully God and fully man.

[@jhs_goldenseed3896]

FYI, there is misquote on subtitle where Bishop Barron clearly said from the Gospel of St. Luke, the correct reference should be Luke 2:52 instead of John 14:12, thanks for being more Prudent :) God is Great

[@mr.caleblynn9246]

It’s great to see that we could have a modern conversation about the hypostatic union caused by a show about Christ.

[@spyroninja]

If you want to understand, just listen to the Catholic. He's speaking the fruits 2000 years of study and prayer.

[@G-MIP]

Not too mention he’s the only one there that can actually trace his lineage (laying on of hands) to one of the original Apostles.

[@phillipmadahar5438]

Really? How about the Rabbi, and his Jewish lineage? They the nation had the Gospel of Salvation committed to them in type directly in the Sanctuary service, and then had access to it in antitype when God was manifest in the flesh, so that would be what close to 3000 plus years of study and prayer. The Rabbi understands that Jesus is our High Priest in heaven, and I thank GOD he mentioned that portion of scripture in Hebrews. Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and man, not no sinful earthly priest, interposing between God and man, especially one that claims to be invested with the power to forgive sins, breaking of the Law, the Ten Commandments. Who can forgive sins and blot them out but GOD only.

[@devongarvie6261]

As a former youth pastor, I take great comfort in the possibility that Jesus prepared for the sermon on the Mount. It’s beautiful

[@janhanger]

The video is heavily edited to cater that the series is correct with the portrayal of Jesus. Padre Pio, Agustine, Pope Paul II are all children of God I think Jesus would act more rather than the saints of today and be more God-like.

[@LL-lj1kq]

Fully man , physically He tired, He hungered, He felt pain. but His mind was fully able to think divinely, He was also fully God. The word of God not an unsure confused human.

[@TheCrusaderPub]

My problem with the series is every moment the show caters to modern sensibilities over reality.

[@bransrubar]

And what reality are you talking about? The Gospels don't give us every single little detail. Blanks have to be filled in for this show to work

[@TheCrusaderPub]

@@bransrubar what’s your point? Honoring the time period and “filling in the blanks” aren’t mutually exclusive.

[@bransrubar]

@@TheCrusaderPub Ok so how about answering my original question...what reality? What, in your opinion, should the show look like?

[@TheCrusaderPub]

@@bransrubar I get the sense you’re exactly who the target demographic is. That’s ok, it’s a decent show and I’m glad you like it. Unfortunately, the question in itself shows that you’re willing to forgo history for a feel-good story. Or perhaps you don’t understand that there’s a historical context to what’s in the Bible.

[@bransrubar]

@@TheCrusaderPub of course I understand there is a historical context. I have a bachelor's in Youth Ministry. I just wanted to know what you thought the right feel for the show would be. Maybe I could learn something.

[@kenbrager4475]

I interpretted the scene in the show as more of Jesus modeling, mentoring and teaching Matthew than struggling as to what to say.

[@Buckeye67]

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The incarnate Word of God I don't think would need to rehearse. I still love the show. 😊

[@Dre_98]

Good point. But you need to take more scriptures and put them together to be able to have a deeper understanding of it and that is why its not as simple as it seems. You will need a theologian studies to understand it deeply from every aspect. I like your point tho. It’s a good one.

[@filipolorenzo7910]

Even in the form of god Jesus did not want to be equal to his God and Father, Jesus is the only-begotten god (John 1:18) the only-begotten son of the Most High who is at the fathers side: Peter and John called Jesus the holy servant of the Father, Acts 4:27 For truly both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of the nations and with peoples of Israel were gathered together in this city against your HOLY SERVANT JESUS, whom YOU ANOINTED, 30 while you stretch out your hand for healing and while signs and wonders occur through the name of your HOLY SERVANT JESUS.”

[@cronos6TEMPLE]

It's nice to have various points of view (Catholic and Protestant), but why not invit an Orthodox priest or bishop?

[@kurtn652]

Because they are false Christina's like the Catholics. Keep reading your bible. This will become obvious

[@DJNightchild]

@@kurtn652 We as Catholics are indeed not Christina's, you are absolutely right. We are Christians.

[@madgiemadgie9128]

@Kurt N, please tell me, this Bible you are referring to, how did it come into existence?Who decided on the books? And how come Christians existed and practiced the faith a good 150 years plus before the Bible? Once you begin to retrace your steps, you will see understand the words of convert Cardinal Newman ...” To be deep in history, is to cease to be a Protestant”. Catholics are not a Christian denomination.. we are THE common denominator. Ask God to show you the Fullness Of Truth. You have nothing to lose.

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

To be clear, John 5:19 hasn't been historically taken to mean that Jesus on Earth is somehow not omniscient or omnipotent. Except by some ancient heretics, it's almost universally been taken to signal their perfect harmony. Moreover, that passage is about doing, i.e., performing physical actions - not knowing. Knowing is an action, but when we're talking about actions we're usually talking about things one could choose not to do. God could choose not to perform some miracle. He could not choose not to know something. He's omniscient. So when Jesus "sees the Father [knowing everything]" it follows logically that Jesus will also know everything. God doesn't _do_ everything, and therefore the Son can't _do_ any arbitrary thing. But the Father DOES _know_ everything, and therefore the Son can _know_ everything. But knowledge is only one part of this issue, of course. Another question is simply how to interpret John 5:19 in terms of what Jesus is capable of doing. For example, Jesus can't perform a miracle on his own authority. But does that mean that he is somehow limited by the Father? That if he wanted to rebel against the Father, he couldn't? Or does it mean that he couldn't possibly _want_ to rebel against the Father, and therefore his actions will always be perfectly in harmony with the Father's will? Historically, the interpretation is that the Son can only perform miracles that the Father wants him to, because the Father and the Son want the same things. They have exactly the same plans because they are exactly the same person. Jesus is a perfect reflection of the Father's nature and the nature of man, in one being. Therefore, nothing Jesus wants can be incompatible with what the Father wants. It's not like there were some things Jesus wanted to do, that he couldn't do because God wouldn't let him. Jesus only wanted to do things that the Father equally desired. So "can do nothing" doesn't mean "is physically incapable of doing anything," it means "couldn't conceivably _want_ to do something incompatible with the Father's will." That is, the Father and the Son equally consent to the Son's actions on Earth. Here's a good example: could Jesus have chosen to give in to the devil's temptation in the wilderness? When Satan offered Jesus all manner of things designed to tempt his human nature, was Jesus vulnerable? If he wasn't vulnerable, why would Satan bother with this futile exercise? Does that imply that Satan did not know of Jesus' divinity? Or does it imply that Satan did not know that Jesus' will was in perfect harmony with the Father's? I think this is largely an open question. I prefer the latter interpretation, that some people thought that Jesus was a separate entity from the Father - because we can see how for centuries after the resurrection, people were still misunderstanding or arguing this point.

[@steven3775]

I don't think Jesus had to rehearse anything. In light of Philippians 2, I have understood this to mean that Jesus willingly lowered himself to become a man. 100% God and 100% man. And that he chose to give up some of his Omni attributes, like omnipresence, while on earth (But he could have instantly pulled the plug on that at any time). So now we know we have a savior that has experienced some of the things that we do - like hunger, pain, exhaustion, etc..... Am I wrong? Thanks

[@fabianboungard2190]

This is one of THE most important, significant and interesting talks I've ever listened about christology - thank you so much!! Das ist eines der wichtigsten und interessantesten Gespräche über Christologie, die ich je angehört habe!

[@renumathew7144]

I love the way this series has brought all people from different denominations to come together to discuss and speak about gospel in a very respected way...Thank u God

[@ridimapinto5500]

yayy Bishop Barron✨✨✨✨💖💖💖

[@cmsa3]

Great discussion. Is there more? I don’t think he needed to rehearse. However, I just remind myself that it’s just a show. I have never been satisfied with how shows portray his birth - too much grunting and sweating that I believe is a result of the Fall, not something experienced by Mary or Jesus. I think we gauge by what we know and is familiar so of course Jesus is hard to guess at.

[@bethschramm8075]

I would also like to know if this new roundtable group will be in the app, as it was for season 1. I am anxious to hear their discussion of each episode in season 2.

[@joannakotua4627]

Me too. Checking if it is there every time I'm in the app 😉

[@jennamaria2485]

God just lead me to read this section from the catechism before watching this video haha. He knew. Of course.

[@myriamc.]

Well...I'm happy you met Bishop barron!!!!😄😄🙏🏾🙏🏾❤❤

[@cheryljones1986]

I think you are doing a GREAT job with The Chosen. There are multiple perceptions of theology and everyone is going to have a slightly different take. Theologians, "Chill out". The Chosen series is great to introduce people in the highways and hedges to Jesus. People who would never walk into a church will watch The Chosen. The series should not become a platform where different theologians bicker on how their view of reality is "the best". (This comment extends to other commentaries I've seen on KZbin, not necessarily this item.) If you want a word-for-word revelation of the gospels, then read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and the whole New Testament. If you want a show that attempts to give a real live, relatable " realistically fill in the gaps and still remain true to the gospels" version, then watch The Chosen. No one is going to know exactly every detail of everything unless we were there. John, in the last verse of the book of John, says that the whole world could not contain the books about all that Jesus did. We either accept valuable contributions that share Jesus with the world, or we sit and read the gospels by our firesides and give up all TV, movies, and entertainment. Don't fight. Do I perceive a bit of jealousy because there is such success with The Chosen? Be glad and contribute to its success which is bringing people to Jesus. It is going to the highways and hedges and compelling people who don't know about Jesus to come in. The end result, the end goal for all of us, is Jesus in the heart and lived out in our lives, not perfect theology in the head. I think the real problem that the Protestants have, and won't admit it, is that the main character is played by a Catholic, and that gripes them. Can we quit fighting over who is right or best? I don't like to get into dirty laundry but I think this is what is happening with all the trolling. Do you realize how hard it must be for Dallas Jenkins and the whole crew to keep moving ahead in this atmosphere? Support them, pray for them, and if you don't like it, go read your Bible instead and don't watch it. As a writer myself, I realize how hard it must be to create and write the script for this. I think Dallas Jenkins and team have done a great job.

[@1960taylor]

Finally...I was wondering when this would come out with Bishop Barron, too bad it was such a fast clip.

[@TheChosenSeries]

Much more to come.

[@1960taylor]

@@TheChosenSeries great..thank you

[@joeb2588]

I've been listening to Robert Barron for years! He's great!

[@potatetoe]

Such an interesting conversation! I would love to be a butterfly on the wall and listen to this stuff for an hour.

[@ellenhulslander2897]

Reading these comments, I can understand Dallas's trepidation. There is no way to bring Jesus and the apostles to life without somebody getting their panties in a twist. These portrayals have brought many, many people to the Bible. That, alone, is reason enough to be thankful for it. The fact that he has been so careful and thoughtful in these portrayals, and that he has sought opinions from respected clergy says a lot as well. Personally, I think this project is blessed and will bring many to Christ. And by the way, every pastor, priest, or other clergy that gives sermons, interprets the Bible. They are no more perfect than Dallas. He is just giving us the gospels in movie form......and doing a really good job of it. God bless you all. Just relax and trust in Christ.

[@merseabless8305]

Thank you Bishop Barron for being part of this miraculous series , as a Catholic i prayed the catholic view be portrayed gracefully and there u are sitting with these Godly men with different views but one objective. The message of God thru his son Jesus Christ.

[@brucebarber4104]

Agreed!

[@J0HN_3_16]

JESUS set aside HIS diety to be born and raised human. JESUS' divine power was restored through the indwelling of the HOLY SPIRIT after baptism by John. Showing delays in the performance of miracles, sermon preparation and difficulty dancing stands opposed to the Biblical record of JESUS' perfection.