OUR FIRST TIME WATCHING THE HUNGER GAMES BALLAD OF SONGBIRDS AND SNAKES

[@TimberlakeTigerGirl]

So fun fact: that jump scare with Reaper was not in the script. The actor improvised it to showcase just how much Reaper hates the Capitol. So the girl mentor jumping back was her genuine reaction and it even spooked some of the film crew. He apologized later for the scare and they all laughed about it.

[@Itzezyyyy]

Lol yea that was a jumpscare for everyone, glad they kept it in😂

[@juvon102]

That makes it so much more impressive because just about everyone was so caught off guard 😂😂😂 I felt that shit

[@GranPapaFrita]

The snows were rich before the war. They invested in district 13s industry. However after 13 seceded from the country the Snows lost their entire fortune.

[@babs3241]

Seceded and were nuked.

[@GranPapaFrita]

@@babs3241 There surface was only nuked. They had made an agreement with the capitol to succeed and the Capitol could use them as an example for the other districts.

[@MorriganAtwood]

Snow in Catching Fire: Ms. Everdeen let's agree not to lie to each other. Young Snow: Literally so bad at lying. Someone always sees through it.

[@lilianecaroline5]

Snow telling Sejanus that they are brothers right after sending the jaberjay with the recording to Dr. Gaul, he was never worth anything, he was a liar, a traitor, only thought about himself in every situation, obsessed with power and Lucy was entertainment for him, like a pet. I only watched the movies, but I think she was very smart to leave before he decided she was no longer useful

[@ridedamaverick]

Fun fact: Mags - the old lady we see in Catching Fire - was the winner of the 11th Hunger Games. She is also the 1st Tribute who went on the Victory Tour. So as of Katniss's Hunger Games, there's a good chance that Lucy Gray was still alive. However, since Dr. Gaul said all the footage of the 10th Games were erased, she obviously was not Haymitch's (Games #25) mentor.

[@cyagami90]

One thing i wana touch on from a book readers perspective. Lucy was never his saving grace. He always planned to go back to the capital. He never really loved her he loved what she made him feel about himself. He also vows to never love again after her. Also the way Tigris turns on him hits even harder when you read the book bc she would prostitute herself to save them from starving and take abuse from her mentor to make him clothes when she could. It shows how litle he respects all her sacrifices

[@et5216]

I get it but it’s clear the movie took a different direction. Clearly they were going for a more conflicted Snow instead of Mr Evil from the books. So I think in any conversation about the movie his actions in the movie should be judged not the books.

[@GeorgieWilson89]

How I like to see it is that the movie took the perspective of the people around Snow. Where as the books were his narrative and had his perspective. For example The movies show them getting by ok ish … in the books they were very clearly starving and in much worse conditions and everyone around them still thought they weren’t so poor ….so the movies are showing what people perceived snow to be because he did hide all his inner evil thoughts very well.

[@1243fad]

I haven’t read the books, but I’ve heard from multiple people that snows inner monologues really captured how he thought about the districts and what he really thought about Lucy. He wanted to own her like a prize or a pet. Snow has always been selfish and his influence from Dr. Gaul and his own selfish desires pushed him to the person you’ve seen the early movies. It’s important to note that Lucy and Katniss are nothing alike. Lucy loves attention, and Katniss hated it but what they both have in common was a that they did whatever it took to survive.

[@rain-cy6ve]

As a book reader, yes, he never cared about her. A lot of people that only watch the movie never really realise that.

[@wackybrattyx]

@@rain-cy6veHow would we?? We didn’t read the book so the movie should make it less ambiguous!

[@rain-cy6ve]

@@wackybrattyx I didn t say you could. I m just saying the idea he actually truly cared for her is spread out due to lots of people only seeing the movie since it s not exactely easy to convey a character s inner monologue in this type of media

[@DovesEyes623]

I saw movie before reading book and could pick up that everything he did was for self interest. I think he was fascinated by her but it was clear in dialogue and his facial expressions his disgust for districts and I thought of it more like obsession than love. He was paranoid and compulsive in many of his choices including his interactions with Lucy Gray. They both had a need for each other in some ways. I don’t think anything was supposed to be obvious because even now reading the book, his character is complex even with his inner monologue, it’s all over the place so the criticism about the movie being unclear doesn’t make sense to me. I definitely recommend reading the book because there are so many aspects that are fun to rewatch and see the attention to detail that the actors did.

[@codyturner9741]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooK4gaOsia6ogdksi=CD9Yn1Zcev7FO21U thiskinda explains all the disrict jobs

[@TurnerWilkes]

Ok so to explain a few things ( you might have figured them out but just in case). Obviously sejanus wasn’t the presidents son and didn’t die until he was in the districts. But the body they showed you during the games was the actual presidents deceased son, So Dr. Gaul meant what she said. Also by the way the guy who nodded at Snow after he got sejanus out of the Arena was his dad Mr. Plinth, hence the plinth prize. Next the reason the snakes didn’t attack Lucy was because the cloth Snow put in the snake tank was what he used to wipe lucy’s tears with the night prior to the game. So the snakes would be familiar with her scent. Also fun fact the year after this, for the hunger games 11th anniversary (Which was also the game Mags from catching fire won) was when snow began to add different things to the games. Such as tribute uniforms, new arenas, the district parade and plenty more as the years went on, continuing to humanize the tributes just enough to still make it a good show. We never know what happens to Lucy gray, but we do know that Snow worked his way through school, at the top of all his classes, becoming practically a game maker and then rising to power as the president. Also another fun fact to point out is that you start to notice that as each move goes on (in chronological order) Snows coat becomes a darker and darker red, kind of symbolizing the more evil he becomes. It happens throughout the whole franchise, but you can tell even with just this movie.

[@adrianpeart]

Somebody commented on another reaction channel that Lucy Gray is a performer forced to fight whereas Katniss is a fighter forced to perform

[@GranPapaFrita]

That’s so true. I never thought of it that way.

[@adrianpeart]

Neither did I until I read that comment & it is true @@GranPapaFrita

[@fie97]

Well Katnis is never a fighter. Fighter is Gale. Katnis just wants to be left in peace with her family. The one word that could describe her is survival. /Hunter is not even her. She is an excellent hunter but that was also to survive. She's a survival before during and after the game.

[@taiyonatiare7918]

I don’t think Lucy could’ve saved that man and honestly it’s not her job to make him a good person 💀 He’s evil - the fact that he had choices and always chose wrong for selfish reasons is why he ended up alone. He was never gonna stay in the districts with her

[@A.D.540]

Lol who's Job is it then. I thought a future wife is to make her partner better person

[@Angelika.b210]

​@A.D.540 Wow what a really outdated view you have there

[@ingrid6295]

​@@A.D.540 Snow job 🤦‍♀️

[@Itzezyyyy]

Yep highbottom sensed the same narcissism and power hungry energy he knew very well from snow’s dad

[@et5216]

Doesn’t give him the right to act as a Mr Snape. He ironically forces Snow down the dark path that leads to Highbottoms death.

[@venessaknizleyauthor7394]

Read the books. From the very first, when Tigris would bring food back to Snow because they were so hungry, and he never brought anything back to her, I saw immediately his selfishness. Whenever he did something for his own gain, it worked out, and whenever he did anything for altruistic reasons (like stick Lucy’s handkerchief in with the snakes) it came back to bite him. And through his inner monologue you could see how good and evil got flipped in his head. He had a sociopathic bent from the beginning in my opinion. And in the book, when Lucy saw he’d found the guns, she knew what was coming. They made her motives for leaving questionable in the movie…but it was all him in actuality. Such a good book and talented author to be able to keep the reader so hooked on someone you KNOW is not going to turn out good!

[@RumpleGold]

My favorite thing about this movie was watching in real time how Katniss hit EVERY single trigger for snow . From 12 to the bow .

[@kawtarz4161]

I saw a creator on tiktok saying that Corio doesn't actually love lucy gray, he loved the power and control he had over her. And an example of that is when assigning the 'participants' to the mentors, Highbottom says this district goes to this mentor and so on. But when reaching Lucy Gray in 5:33 he says ''and district 12, she BELONGS to Coriolanus Snow'' . And apparently in the book he always says that she is ''his and no-one else's'' . He didn't love her as a person, but as a property to control. He sees her as his ticket to fame and an opportunity to restore his family's glory.

[@brandibastian4193]

BLESS YOU! -me, to my screen, as Mair sneezed

[@MairSophie]

THANKS!!

[@brandibastian4193]

IDK how much money tributes ever got for winning but its LIFE CHANGING like their family probably doesn't need to work anymore and they get a home in victors village and the randos in their district get extra food each month until the following games and the former victors IDK when they started becoming mentors I imagine with Mags in the 11th games

[@Itzezyyyy]

Lmaoo it’s the fact katniss is literally named after swamp potato and that’s why people theorize that Lucy gray’s an ancestor cause nobody else knows the hanging tree song (banned in the government so she couldn’t sing it anymore) but lucy gray probably passes it down to Katniss’ father who also loved to sing and would sing that song to katniss himself while they go down to that very same lake hunting swamp potato or katniss lol

[@A.D.540]

Her blond friend did maybe she passed it to her mother

[@daniellemariexfvixen]

Katniss (the food) was described in the first book and a lot of people has names based off stuff like that “Primrose” “Cinna” “Peeta” and so it was just a callback to the first book when she talked about the Katniss root. Possible it stuck with him into the future, but it’s also possible it was so beneath him in his mind he forgot this conversation about the Katniss.

[@joshuacoldwater]

18:16 The rebels are NOT the tributes, again this is 64 years before Katniss

[@orphanedhanyou]

I think they mean the former winners. The first 9 winners of the hunger games very well may have been part of the bombing.

[@mtfan3457]

Guys, Sejanus isn't the president's son, he's the son of Strabo Plinth who is influential in the Capitol, Sejanus's family come from district 2 and they're one of the few people who have managed to climb their way up to the Capitol... The president's son is Felix Ravenstill (That might be misspelled) he's a minor character but was another mentor in the 10th games

[@DeathlyHurtt]

Felix is the presidents nephew, who didn't die.

[@mtfan3457]

@@DeathlyHurtt in the movie, he's definitely dead... Not sure about the book as it's been a while since i've read it

[@DeathlyHurtt]

@@mtfan3457 in the book Brias died a few days after losing his legs in the arena bombing, Felix's tribute just died and he was out of a competition

[@mtfan3457]

@@DeathlyHurtt guess it's time for a re-read then lol, thanks for the info

[@MRauTObt]

So, to clear up the origins of Panem and the Hunger Games. In the future, war and natural disasters led to the human race nearly going extinct. The first book mentioned that floods covered the majority of the world except some of North America. The survivors rose to form a new country called Panem. Panem organized into 13 different districts that were oppressed by the Capitol. The 13 districts rebelled against the capitol and lost. During the rebellion, the entire country collapsed into a famine and disaster, this was called The Dark Days. The rebels lost and were punished with the Hunger Games.

[@kvbrinson12]

In the Hunger Games book, it mentions her dad told her a long as she can find herself, (Katniss), she'd nvr go hungry. So Katniss means swamp potato

[@simplytina5627]

Guys snow put the napkin he used to wipe Lucy Gary tears. The snakes won’t attack familiar scents… and that was another guys. Snow had sejanus killed, and killed those other 2

[@Itzezyyyy]

Fun fact: that’s also katniss sewn into her colorful corset lol

[@011mph]

I think Snow was ultimately selfish. Even his relationship with Lucy seemed like he saw her more as his property in a sense than actual love

[@sageisdeadtome3315]

i think when the grandma says “hung in the trees like your father” she means bc he was hung by rebels during the war

[@Itzezyyyy]

Crazy how he has a best friend and gf who are rebels but he’d only rebel to save his own skin and win the games which is why he risked hopping onto that wagon with the other tributes lol

[@Ty-yy7zr]

This movie shows how the games became the spectacular event of the year by the time of the original series.

[@galiTNX]

You gotta read the books! In the books you hate snow so much, it shows us how he really thinks. He sees Lucy Gray as a possession, and throughout the whole book he keeps saying how she belongs to him and how he hates the idea of other people even looking at her. And Lucy said for her, trust is the most important thing, even more than love, that’s why she left cause she didn’t trust him anymore and Snow at the end was paranoid thinking she was going to betray him.

[@Itzezyyyy]

He was already a red flag, not entirely wanting the games to stop and in the books it explains how he never had the best relationship with his dad but he still manages to turn out like him like Tigris said “you look just like your father, Coriolanus” which obviously wasn’t a compliment but yea it was sus at the beginning for him to want to help her so badly bc he didn’t know her aside from the fact she was in his least favorite district, and she he doesn’t like rebels either or anything that can’t be controlled like he would control Lucy in the games and how he sold out sejanus plus eventually having to kill Lucy gray for betraying him even and overall, he’s just selfish and was never a good person

[@prescottperfection6354]

You guys have a really good understanding of this movie. You understood the motive behind Snow’s actions a lot better than some other reactors I’ve seen. To clarify, the reason Lucy Gray didn’t trust Snow and decided to leave then and there is not only because she knew he’d lied to her about killing Sejanus, but because she realised that he was likely going to kill her too. Like you pointed out, Snow didn’t want any loose ends left. Killing her would mean that he would no longer be in danger of being found out and executed, as she’s the last person that knew of him murdering Mayfair (and she also knew that he cheated in the games) and could expose him. As soon as Snow saw the guns he knew he had a chance to get rid of the last bit of evidence and return to his old life in the Capitol, and Lucy Gray saw that he was going to choose that over her. If I was alone in the woods with somebody who was considering killing me, I’d be getting the hell out of there too!

[@Itzezyyyy]

Snow used his hankie that he wiped her tears with to familiarize the snakes to her scent

[@n.m.anderson1555]

People watch this movie wanting to see what turns Snow into a villain. What they miss is that Snow was who he was all along. Our desire is that Snow goes to 12 for love..... but actually, it's more about seeing thing through to the end. I think snow realize that Lucy Gray deep down was more like him. We the audience did not want to consider that option.

[@chelliebean5773]

Lucy was nothing like him. She was genuine like most mountain people. I don't understand how people see them as similar?

[@patmcconnell9956]

The way the games and world they live in operates is so different in this movie compared to the others and the obvious reason is cause the Hunger games is still so new and working out its kinks. Whereas with Katniss they’ve grown used to it and see it more as an opportunity to glam up and appeal to/entertain the Capitol audience, during this story the war they were in is still so fresh in people’s minds. That’s why them being kept in a zoo cage, being denied food or the chance to bathe/change clothes, and why they limited it to the Capitol’s old school arena where the games had usually lasted only a couple of hours, is so different and unique compared to the rest. How horrifyingly real and cruel this series is why I love it so much and this movie/book is probably tied with Catching fire as my favorite.

[@rain-cy6ve]

The dark days pretty much happend due to the same reason the rebelion that happens in the original Hunger Games due to the opression the Capitol was putting the districts under. The difference is that now the Capitol won. The lack of things and poverty in the Capitol is due to the blockade that happend in the war. The Snow family is pretending to still be rich but they lost everything when district 13 was "destroyed" as their investments were in that dystrict.

[@Itzezyyyy]

Like katniss Lucy wanted no part of it but Lucy was already a rebel with bad luck, and mysterious too like the song she’s named after where a girl named Lucy gray disappears and no one knows what happened to her, so that was a foreshadow to what drives snow mad, not to mention them both probably using each other (snow’s grandma literally tells him to bc she too looks down on districts and doesn’t tells him not to trust em) and no matter how much they want to trust each other they’re just too different from one another and have opposite povs

[@miguelruiz4255]

When I was in theatre watching this the scene that haunted me the most was the girl getting stabbed while she was stuck in the opening of the door. Idk that was the most agonizing death to me other than laminas

[@Shayshaybayb9]

I recommend reading the books. Especially this one. I used the free audible trial to listen to it right before watching the movie. And Sophie was right about the pacing. They could have included more details. There is SO much that didn’t make it. And the movie did not show how narcissistic Snow was from jump.

[@daniellemariexfvixen]

I read it on a library app, hoopla or Libby, and I think they have the audiobook versions too

[@SethBarbrick]

The Capitol at the beginning is based off the siege Leningrad when the people were literally eating each other to survive

[@jackelinvalentin1260]

Also, yes there is a sequel to this coming up next year, and a movie adaptations the year after. But, it’s based on the 50th Hunger Games, maybe during this book the answers us readers are so eager to know may be clarified. Tigris’s future, an older Snow now president of Panem, maybe see an insight of Katina’s’ parents, etc. since this upcoming book is based on Haymitch’s backstory. ❤️

[@brandibastian4193]

there is a theory on Super Carlin Bros why Tigriss was her cousin's bestie back then but in the original trilogy she wanted him dead its cause what she heavily implied here (she flat out said in the books) she had to sell herself to keep tem fed & when she became a stylist for the games and there was an attractive winner he sold him to those in the capitol& if Finick refused they'd off a family member or friend & he wasn't risking Annie so he was sold probably 1000 times in the capitol I imagine she was his stylist

[@Zeerotohero]

Minor detail: the mayors daughter was sleeping with Lucy Grays boyfriend and got her daddy to call Lucy Grays name at the reaping to get her out of the way

[@orphanedhanyou]

They literally say that too but I'm betting these two didn't hear.

[@emilioamador3840]

Definitely read the books as there’s a ton of information about panem, the districts and how the country actually works plus the inner monologue of Katniss and snow that couldn’t be fit into the movie because you can’t exactly ready people’s mind in movies

[@joshuacoldwater]

This is 64 years before Katniss Volunteers, that is why everything looks old. Snow had no money. It didn’t matter that he was in the Capitol.

[@Skye_Writer]

The movie re-ordered a few things at the end, which makes Snow leaving look less like an act of desperation because he felt he was going to get caught and more like he just wanted to be with Lucy Gray. But in the book, the morning he goes to leave, he gets called to the commander's office before he can get off base. He is afraid that he has been caught when is finally on the verge of freedom, but when he reaches the office, the commander tells him that he leaves for officers' school the next day. He's the youngest person ever to pass the test and his scores have recommended him for an elite program in District 2. Snow is bitter at the irony of it, that he has a second chance which has been stripped away by the fact that there is a murder weapon with his name on it somewhere out there. He steels himself and goes to find Lucy Gray. When they take shelter from the rain in the old shack, Snow discovers a bag containing the weapon with his own DNA. He asks Lucy Gray if they should take them and she says that she doesn't trust them, telling him that she's going to go and dig up some katniss. With her gone, Snow hatches a new plan. He can destroy the gun, and there will be nothing tying him to the crime. He loves Lucy Gray, but he can't stand the thought of life in the wilderness; just this half a morning has taught him that much. He wonders how Lucy Gray will react, knowing that she's not likely to keep running on her own, but realizing he can't take her to District 2, and knowing she would never fit in there. He goes out to find her and he realizes that she's hiding from him. He can think of only one reason: that she's figured out the truth of his wanting to run away, and worse, that he had betrayed Sejanus. He shouts for her, saying that he just wants to talk, but gets no reply. He searches for her in the forest and finds her orange scarf, then is bit by a snake that the scarf was covering, and he immediately decides she set it up as a trap for him.

[@jackelinvalentin1260]

Just to clear things out guys, Sejanus is not the President’s son. The President’s son was injured during the rebel bombing. Sejanus survived the attack and just left after his tribute was found hanging in the arena. As a punishment, he almost didn’t graduate, so that’s why Sejanus’ father had to buy a gym to the Academy in order to have him graduate. 😊

[@alierajean]

"Overall it just was not a good plan." I actually loled 😂 perfect sentence, perfectly delivered

[@heyzelalv]

he never had a genuine side i feel like in the books since you have his inner dialogue you see how he did everything for himself, he never loved lucy gray, he just liked the control/ power he had over her

[@codyturner9741]

Snow wasnt trying to kill his friend he figured it was a way to save his own ass and figured sir jaynus's dad would buy jaynus out of trouble because his dad always did he didnt know and fucked up

[@truthseeker9249]

His name is Sejanus. But yes to everything you said.

[@vitorhercules]

Btw the "get her out" part wasn't the capital people being good, it was more to show us why the games evolved the way they did. It was both a way to keep the districts in line by saying the games were mercy for the rebellion but also they saw the potential it had if people actually consumed it as entertainment insted of only "punishment", hence the capital rooting for tributes on Katniss games. It's control and a way of alienate capital citzens about the reality of the districts so eveyonr falls in line. Snow said: hope is more powerful than fear but too much hope is dangerous. That's why he changed the way tha games were framed, so instead of being just a warning it would give a false hope that you can ascend from poverty and how just the capital is.

[@GCK416]

well well if it isn’t my favorite reaction channel ❤️🥰

[@Dark-Wolf27]

I’m loving this reaction channel already. We will watch your career with great interest!

[@nevaehrose3235]

everything you take from me is not worth keeping!!!! i hope y'all enjoyed the mv, i personally liked the book better. In the book it was less of snows love for lucy but more his possesion over lucy. It's sad they didn't capture that aspect in this movie. Either way, i really enjoyed it.

[@wackybrattyx]

“Amor fati” - I let go of what fate can take.

[@melindamercier6811]

The book was significantly better for sure, even how the ending went. We were supposed to see him spiral into paranoia, but in the movie it was almost triggered by his and Lucy Gray’s final conversation. That said, the movie was pretty good and I enjoyed it. Just very different. The songs were SO good!

[@RumpleGold]

I love you guys so much thanks for doing this

[@hellnaurlimitnaur]

the book is the longest in the franchise, longer than Mockingjay and that itself got 2 movies, so this movie was really tightly packed and fast-paced and left out/changed a lot. The games played out way different. It didn’t start the way the movie shows and it didn’t end the way the movie shows, so I suggest reading the book because it’s WAY better.

[@ellafrye206]

not y’all not noticing that lucy created the hanging tree song that becomes Katniss’ war anthem

[@simplytina5627]

No, I don’t want to see from the beginning I want to know what happened with Lucy Gray

[@Itzezyyyy]

He did love her but the relationship wouldn’t have worked out anyway. They’re young, too different and he would’ve ended up being a toxic narcissist and maybe even killing her. So it’s cool she got out when she could. And ofc that didn’t make him happy, not being able to control her anymore like he did in the games and not knowing what actually happened to her, so she been gone lol also which explains the mockingjays coming back to taunt him from wherever she is and snow’s always hated them. And now he’s going crazy not knowing whether she’s dead or alive (her running and him shooting her was all in his head hence his own footprints from circling the woods searching for her) drove him mad and thus became his villain arc lol

[@TheLibrarianOG1]

Lucy trusted him completely. The hang up came when he let it slip that he killed three people (the third being his friend) and when he said "my old self", she knew that, for the first time, he'd lied to her. That's why she made a run for it. That’s why Snow hates lies in the future, and made a promise with Katniss, because he knows he wasn’t truthful to Lucy and she wasn't truthful to him and it probably destroyed them both.

[@SS-uc9bo]

snow fr got poetic justice with katniss

[@Zach12384]

The dark days is right after the war when district 13 originally rebelled and when the capitol bombed them. And yes the districts and the capitol were both broke afterwards especially since the districts supplied the capitol. Think of the Great Depression but worse

[@kaylachanxo]

The way I took it was that he never intended to get Sejanus killed. He sent that recording right after he just told Sejanus that his dad will always bail him out while he'd die just for being his friend. He was trying to probably get Sejanus pulled from 12 or sent back to the Capitol. but that night all that shit went downhill and by killing the majors daughter he got Sejanus killed anyways.

[@taiyonatiare7918]

I actually really liked this movie. Catching fire is cinematic perfection and cannot be topped but this was better than Mockingjay part 1 and 2 for me.

[@TheLibrarianOG1]

I don’t know that we'll have another Snow-focused narrative. But the next movie will be focusing on Haymitch.

[@melindamercier6811]

Now y’all have GOT to read the books bc in the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes book you are in Snow’s head the entire time and you’ll find he was nothing more than a narcissist and an elitist. Everything he did was to benefit himself even if it seemed selfless and noble to others. Wish there was a way to make that clear in the movie, but they did what they could. Please read the book though, it’s CRAZY.

[@orphanedhanyou]

While he was still wrong when you grow up in the dark days? Surprise to you hunger games > dark days.

[@carriesmith742]

1:10:45 nice shout out to GRRM at the end! Right on!

[@cruzuvalle9845]

Sing your way out of this one LUCY GRAY! ❤❤❤ I love this movie …. “Its the things we love most that destroy us” 😊

[@sigriddaaemland8486]

WARNING: this comment became WAY LONGER than first intended. Lots of personal opinions and speculations. You are warned. I really enjoyed the actors, and a lot of characters' depictions in this movie! Like, Mayfair became way less likable and more mean spirited on screen than I remember picturing her while reading the book. There, she was only an annoying rich-in-District-12-measure-girl, who, while not my favorite character, did not deserve to die for being a possible "loose end" for Snow, in my opinion. I think she is written to be the opposite of Madge Undersee, the Mayor's daughter during Katniss' time. And, just like Bobbin, Sejanus and Dean Casca Highbottom, Mayfair's death marked a crucial point in Coriolanus' journey to becoming the cold, uncaring person who "takes life for specific reasons" that we know from the original series. However shallow, vindictive and vain those "reasons" might be. Madge, while not in the movies, was Katniss' only real friend before entering the Hunger Games in the first book, besides Gale. There she was the person to give Katniss the Mockingjay pin, which would eventually give Katniss her extremely influential nickname. And, like most of the richer Merchant section of the district living in the Town, like Peeta's family, she did not survive the bombing of District 12 offscreen at the end of Catching Fire (Sob). Maybe this contrast between the two District 12 Mayor's daughters are a reflection of the different time periods they lived in? Could it be that with the war and it's destructions fresh in mind, the Capitol was not above picking only Die-Hard Capitol Loyalists as Mayors? With loyalty more to the Capitol than to the people of their District, or at best 50/50? While, as the decades went by, and memories of the Dark Days faded more and more, peoples frustrations with the Capitol's way of Governing grew in the Districts, even among the ones relatively better off. No one likes to see their neighbors suffer misery, or be constantly reminded of how much easier life is in another part of the country. Not to mention The Hunger Games... Hence why I imagine the Quarter Quells were introduced. Was this Snow's idea too? Wouldn't surprise me. He was a Gamemaker for some time before he became President wasn't he? Imagine his reaction when someone from District 12 managed to win a specialized hyped up Hunger Games (Possibly) by his invention? And using the Gamemakers newest high tech as a weapon against his final opponent to do it too. While not as reminding of Lucy Gray as Katniss would be 24 years later, Haymitch's victory was the first time District 12 had won since Lucy Gray, and that was a 40 years gap. And both of those victories managed to make the Gamemakers look dumb. But as the President, and a former Gamemaker by the time of the 50th Hunger Games, or Second Quarter Quell, off course his go-to solution is to kill people. In this case, all the people Haymitch loves. I hate that they cut out Haymitch's backstory from the movies, as that basically reduced him to a comic relief alcoholic instead of a severely traumatized, sad, wise, snarky, lonely victor who had lost everything. Just see what loosing Prim did to Katniss, and you get the idea. Another thing I really like about this story, is how it establishes Snow's hatred for Mockingbirds. The book said something about "he disliked them on sight because they couldn't be controlled by the Capitol. They weren't meant to exist at all, as the Jabberjays were all male, and thought to die out when left out in the wild." But some of them managed to mate with female mockingbirds, and have fertile hybrid offspring, later known as mockingjays. They couldn´t recall og replay speech like their jabberjay ancestors, but melodies much like their mockingbirds ancestors sang. From this we now know that Snow hated mockingjays on an insane level because they reminded him that a decision made by even the best educated in a field in the Capitol, wouldn't always get the predicted and expected end results. As well as his deep rooted hatred for all the Districts (just read how much he thinks "less of" Sejanus because he is "District"), but especially District 12. Not only did his father die there, but in his mind, someone who he did everything for, and was ultimately betrayed by, was from there. That makes his decision to bomb it in Catching Fire more realistic. It can´t have been only about Katniss. She was the spark to the revolution, yes, but most sparks doesn't end up creating uncontrollable forest fires. The circumstances and time, organized movements, people, hell everything has to be correct and in place. The decision to make the Third Quarter Quell between former Victors seems to make more sense in the light of who Snow is as a person too. "The entire world is an arena. And I am The Victor". Again, Katniss was maybe the drop that made the cup flow over, but I got the feeling that President Snow wasn't too happy for competition as "The Victor", or cared at all about any of them individually. If anything, he sensed they had too much swaying power, both in the Capitol (especially), and in Districts for his liking. It was all a question of what served the Capitol in his mind. And having the Districts' "heroes" kill each other off on mandatory TV sounds like a good idea to quell a possibly inter-District brewing revolution... How that idea backfired, just like the mockingjays...

[@whatiwatch006]

you guys really heard us so fast

[@brandonarthur93]

she said how could the rebels do that XD ... when have terrorists ever been nice?

[@antoniosantos5466]

Highly recommend the book, they changed and cut alot out for the movie. The book builds the world alot more

[@davidpacheco268]

The entirety of the hunger games is dehumanising, that's a given. But this prequel, and the book specifically, shows how the Capitol never really treated anyone from the districts as human. In the book after the bombing in the arena, all the Capitol kids are taken to the hospital and cared for by doctors. The tributes, however, are not even allowed in the hospital and are taken care of by veterinarians. Like, literally like animals. Another example of this is earlier when, in the zoo (the putting of human CHILDREN in a zoo before making them kill each other is pretty self-explanatory, but 🤷‍♂️), that girl tribute kills her mentor through the bars, she's not only shot at and killed on the spot as well. There's her mentor's funeral afterwards, which is one of the most gruesome scenes in the book and I understand why they wouldn't want to include it in the movie. Here's an excerpt: "Coriolanus had wondered about the strategy of telling the districts about a tribute killing a Capitol girl, but now he saw the point. Behind the Peacekeepers came a long flatbed truck with a crane affixed to it. High in the air, the bullet-ridden body of the District 10 girl, Brandy, dangled from its hook. Shackled to the truck bed, looking utterly filthy and defeated, were the remaining twenty-three tributes. The length of their restraints made it impossible to stand, so they either crouched or sat on the bare metal floor. This was just another chance to remind the districts that they were inferior and that there would be repercussions for their resistance. He could see Lucy Gray trying to hold on to a shred of dignity, sitting as upright as the chains would allow and gazing straight ahead, ignoring the corpse swinging gently above her head. But it was no use. The dirt, the shackles, the public display - it was too much to overcome. [...] Another battalion of Peacekeepers followed the tributes, paving the way for a quartet of horses. They were decked in garlands and pulled an ornate wagon with a pure white coffin draped in flowers. Behind the coffin came the Cranes, riding in a horse-drawn chariot. At least her family had the decency to look uncomfortable. The procession halted when the coffin drew up in front of the podium. Dr Gaul, who'd been sitting next to the president, approached the mic. Coriolanus thought it was a mistake to let her speak at such a moment, but she must have left the crazy lady and her pink snake bracelets at home, because she spoke with a stern and intelligent clarity. "Arachne Crane, we, your fellow citizens of Panem, vow that your death will not be in vain. When one of ours is hit, we hit back twice as hard. The Hunger Games will go forward, with more energy and commitment than ever before, as we add your name to the long list of the innocent who died defending a righteous and just land. Your friends, family, and fellow citizens salute you and dedicate the Tenth Hunger Games to your memory." [...] A row of Peacekeepers in red sashes lifted their guns and sent several volleys over the procession, which then rolled down a few blocks and disappeared around a corner." I want to end this comment with a declaration of love for Suzanne Collins's writing. That will be all.

[@hruryehejhe5868]

Definitely read the books because the actual games in the books is way more entertaining and actually showcases the tributes talents much better.

[@lostinyourorbit]

yay i’m sooo happy u guys reacted to this movie lol def one of my fav channels

[@elroddemelvinbone8058]

I wish these guys would listen to the the dialogue instead of yapping. They would be far less confused.

[@orphanedhanyou]

If a certain number of people died in a war or catastrophe tomorrow, most people wouldn't know how to rebuild society. So that's why the capitol looks "old" but new. They are slowly regaining the tech and knowledge lost in the dark days.

[@Itzezyyyy]

I mean technically Suzanne did pull a George rr Martin since it’s taken almost a decade to release this book and movie lol (well I guess it feels like five years since mockingjay released)

[@orphanedhanyou]

I think even though he clearly is insecure and wants power to ensure he never experiences anything like the dark days again vs help others, I can see that to Snow hunger games > dark days. That's yes it could be worse vs how can we always get better.

[@BelenPeralta1]

Once you get rabies SYMPTOMS then you’re fucked. But if you get bit and then seek immediate help and get the shots and treatment before the infection sets in you’ll most likely be fine. It’s once the infection starts then that’s a problem.

[@JACKSLATER-d3r]

Katniss trusted Snow, but Lucy didn't 😮😂

[@suikatasai8330]

Yall are going to love the books let me just tell you right now x)

[@absynthefaerie]

Christian Blanco narrative of the 10th game, worth listening to. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3WodWukYtaUbq8si=LBdmGMxC5qaPQmEz Time stamp 17:13 He also had one for literally every single game, you’d enjoy them.

[@Hmmmmmm674]

“Snow lands on top” I’ve accepted that idc if he’s evil or not that’s my man

[@nickit7655]

“this is giving Game of Thrones” *peter Dinklage enters the chat*

[@JonathanXanders]

Do you guys just not pay attention 😭 why are you always so confused

[@orphanedhanyou]

Right?

[@eric-iv4gl]

Hopefully the next one is about haymich in the 2nd quarter quell

[@JACKSLATER-d3r]

Snow lands on top🤣

[@lorrr_randomly]

33:09

[@chelliebean5773]

People need to start reading people properly and comprehendinf what's taking place or you could end up rooting for the wrong people. Snow was a manipulator throughout this movie from little moments (throwing shade on the shirt Tigress made, he was never Serjanus' friend (recording him and sending it to Gual), he lied to Lucy and could never really love in the purest sense). So many reactors misinterpret what's taking place. Lucy was the Songbird and Snow was the Snake)

[@shanemartin1500]

The districts have varying wealth but they all live in extreme pverty especially compared to the Capitol

[@orphanedhanyou]

Yeah no. Anakin Skywalker turned, foolishly, to the dark to save his wife and unborn children. And then because of the love of his son he did what no one else supposedly could - choose the light again. Snow never repented.

[@aida.mariee]

you’re taking this way too seriously honey. I seen u all up in they’re comments being mad😂

[@balkanbaroque]

They both turned to the dark due to love

[@EclecticPotpourri]

Rewatching

[@bruhnisher5454]

Snow's father was killed in 12. The beef started when he was a fetus.

[@orphanedhanyou]

It sounded like at least in the films Snow was born and old enough to know his mom was pregnant and about to have a baby girl. He would've known his dad (as much as a young kid can) if the dad was around to create a second child with his mom.

[@bruhnisher5454]

@orphanedhanyou in the novel. He saw his mother die in childbirth. His baby sister drowning in her blood.

[@misterlou4207]

You guys gotta read the books and give reviews and then re-watch the movies, after have read the books. but give this movie a revisit before reading it. As a fan of the books AND movies, I'd be more than DOWN to see all of that!

[@melindamercier6811]

Same

[@daniellemariexfvixen]

I’d be down for them to do a reading of the books and then re-react once they know stuff from the books perspective and how that changes their beliefs and ideas about everything

[@shannonpugh4540]

You guys should watch the divergent films

[@Selby206]

you should react to Scarface made in 1983.

[@cjmac1777]

I liked the movie

[@brandibastian4193]

Sejanus is well intentioned & I wanted to like him but he just complained & made things harder on his classmates & friends rather than making actual changelike Snow did granted Sejanus is a far better person he just didn't know how to go about making changes for the tributes wellbeing. I mean sure kids still fight to the death 60 some yearslater HOWEVER they are treated well between the reaping and the games they get fed up and trained up and the country gets to know a bit about them so they might send supplies not just people I'm at home but in the capitol not saying Snow was a good person though I think as a kid he was at least he was trying to improve the treatment of those who were sacrificed likein farms we don't want animalswhowill be killed to become food to be abused their whole lives but i think it comes from him being born in the capitol that he WOULD think of district kids as a lesser humanoid species i'd home with that sorta start he'd growinto someone better who would say at somepoint this year we are ending the hunger games and as a country we should mourn the loss of all the children killed in this tradition simply because of a waryears before most of the parents of the kids today were even born so from this point on reaping day would be a day of sorrow & rememberance so that history won't repeat itself but alas he gained the taste for blood as they say & never looked back once he tasted power

[@JackyBeaner]

Watch interstellar please!!!

[@penguin50279]

trust me when i say snow was not genuine for most of the book.

[@orphanedhanyou]

Everything to win and not be poor or dead.

[@handyslade1977]

Rabies can be cured btw

[@orphanedhanyou]

After a certain point though?