Our Take on "The Alexander Buck" Investigation | HUNTR Podcast

In this episode of HUNTR Podcast, we dive into the CJ Alexander poaching rumors and share with you guys what we know. A few weeks back, we invited CJ on the show to share his story of "The Alexander Buck" with us. With the potential of breaking state records in Ohio, the spotlight was on this deer from the moment it was shared on the internet. Fast forward to now, there is an entire investigation around this deer and how it was killed. While there hasn't been much evidence or factual information being revealed to the general public, we found it important to share our thoughts and what we know about the situation after talking with CJ Alexander himself. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the show!
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[@DavidAnderson-pw2es]

This trespassing vs poaching conversation is the most frustrating thing I’ve ever listened to. DUDE. If you go on someone else’s property without permission that is trespassing. Offense number 1. If you harvest a deer illegally, that is poaching. Offense number 2. Any illegal method. Doesn’t matter what - whether that’s out of season, wrong weapon, hunting on a piece without permission. It’s all poaching. This guys logic is like saying I can’t get charged with murder if I’m trespassing first, it’s just trespassing. Wow 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@adammiller4595]

I've been watching you guys since you dropped your very first episode in 2020 and am so happy to see you growing. I've gotta say making sure you drop a new episode every single week is a huge deal to alot of people!

[@caydonchristensen5619]

I’ve been waiting for this one the last couple weeks! Super excited to listen!

[@drenalinYZ]

Thank you!!! I have been waiting for this and had no idea that you would actually make this episode.

[@mikemcd2846]

I have tried to do suburban hunting near my house and been shut down and chased off by township officials and municipal employees that try and keep all those deer for themselves. The fact that it's a D.A and it backs up to land that belongs to the borough... I'll give the kid the benefit of the doubt.

[@babyjames6979]

Nailed it. I think this is just accusations being taken too serious

[@954RR_]

If there is a local DA or public official pushing the “investigation” that’s also connected to the deer it definitely loses credibility as it would appear to be malicious prosecution. I need to see a trail cam picture within a few hours that’s 10 miles away or DNA matchable blood/guts on another property or something concrete. Mere circumstantial evidence isn’t going to cut it for me personally.

[@thatguyfishingben4794]

This always happens when a big deer is killed. I'm not saying he didn't do anything illegal. But he's innocent till proven guilty. Way to many deer have been confiscated and had to be given back because of wild false acusation bull crap. Many a men have done far worse in pursuit of smaller deer. Least not we forget the sins that have been conducted and the stones thrown falsely.

[@robbieandliz.p5032]

Yeah fuck the DA he won’t ever going to kill that buck even if it was on his property which I doubt it was not in November. In the middle of peak rut that giant buck was at his sisters

[@kirbypink4987]

Sounds like someone's pulling strings because there mad

[@ajrichards3720]

I had something very similar happen to me. I killed a 181 17 point with 4 drop times posted it to Facebook next day DNR was at my house. Even showing them everything they still tried to paint the picture that I poached it. Eventually they realized I was telling the truth but that deer is the reason I don’t have Facebook anymore. Haters hate.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Wow that is crazy man

[@thatguyfishingben4794]

@HUNTRPOD same shit happened to me. Killed a 164 that I had never seen before. Only thing that saved me is I literally killed him in front of a trail camera that was in the act of taking a video. Had to show the wardens the video and the camera itself to get them to not arrest me. Dude claimed I Killed it on his property. He had pics of it 9 miles away 22 hours before I shot him. No evidence at all except for the trail cam pic. It's also why I don't post my deer on social media and the dudes that started following me around to see where I was hunting.

[@ET-sp6qm]

@@thatguyfishingben4794this is the bullshit I’m talking about. This should never be allowed to hold up on court. Especially the evidence we have now of how far deer travel. A buck in Missouri that was radio collared was documented to travel over 180 miles across the state. These dnr claims should not ever be admissible in court.

[@jeffrey4869]

Drop tiNes. lol

[@ryankinsey1504]

EXACT SAME STORY!!!!! VERY AVID NORTHERN MICHIGAN BIG WOODS HUNTER!!!! -HAVE A DOZEN+ BOOK BUCKS ON THE WALL BLESSED TO HARVEST THE BIGGEST BUCK OF MY LIFE IN OCT 2023- WARDENS SHOWED UP TO MY HOUSE FOLLOWING DAY 😂👍🏻 ....... THEY LEFT FEELING STUPID!!! AND NOT EVEN AN APOLOGY OR A HAND SHAKE BEFORE DEPARTURE... -NO MORE RESPECT

[@signhunter8084]

Hey the next time u talk to CJ, ask him where he shot the buck from last season that’s on his wall. Then ask him how he was able to hunt last seasons buck, when this season is the first time he has purchased a deer tag and hunting license. The dude had a corn pile on that property where he was trespassing and poaching, and he not only left behind a knife, he also left empty ice bags behind. The dude was an idiot from the get go, and this wasn’t the first buck he took off that property in town. Every one that grew up here knows the big bucks that are in town. The cemetery and the fairgrounds, and landfill, and the Roberts property have always held huge bucks. But let’s believe CJ that he harvested that giant on his sisters 8 acre “yard”. And he told u guys on the podcast that his sisters property was 30 acres. That’s the first lie I caught that I heard him say. I’m a local guy to the area and u can take this as rumors, or believe it. But yeah ask him about that deer that’s mounted on his wall.

[@SexyplexiGT]

Yes dudes a goon. We got a guy like Him here in SC has been caught several times running a dog and poaching trespassing you name it. No license no tags no reason to be hunting. Finally got caught posting pics of his kills on social media like a moron. These guys need to be stripped of any hunting rights forever. Not that that'll stop them.

[@justintanner7020]

Snitch!! Rumors!

[@Swood2704]

How do we not know that you are just buddies with and working with the DA to keep you from getting in any trouble you get into

[@denniskay8178]

Agree 100% with you he's screwed the DWR has a lot on him he's an idiot

[@jacobcrede5320]

I’ve watched every episode and this was one of the more entertaining episodes for the sole fact that I think everyone was speculating some of the same scenarios. Love your content and all the knowledge. Not only your guests on the show but, yourselves are full of facts and exceptional points about hunting. I would really love to hear what “The Huntr” thinks about Missouri’s targeted deer kill in efforts to get a grasp on CWD in “core areas.”

[@meganryals]

Listening to y’all be the “criminals” in this scenario had me laughing. It was actually insightful 😂 great episode, I’ve been waiting for this one!

[@NittanyMountainProStaff]

We grew up in PENNSYLVANIA!!!

[@mikepoulson384]

If this all goes legit....defamation lawsuit to the D.a definitely

[@brandonfuson4310]

I can't say whether he's guilty or not. It does seem that when a buck of great interest is killed, an investigation follows.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Agree like the norm

[@tylerwhite4743]

Especially when his story is so outrageous...

[@Chris-oo7lx]

#1 hunting podcast. You guys do a great job

[@Mossy-back-blacktail]

I've been dying to know what your guys's thoughts are on that I'm super excited to see this video. Especially you guys being the first ones to give him a voice

[@954RR_]

Same. This podcast might get more views than the first one!

[@jason6325]

This is why i don't show people my deer. Social media has ruined hunting. Just keep your bucks to yourself. If you kill a record book buck congradulations to yourself. You know you did it. You will gain nothing by showing people. The only thing you w gain is negativity. Sad But true. Just keep it to yourself.

[@chrisking9424]

Your Ego is not your Amigo.

[@sack_em_up]

​@@chrispeterson1247 😂killers don't brag!

[@jason6325]

@@chrispeterson1247 the real deer killers do not brag and show off. I promise you.

[@jason6325]

@@sack_em_up that's right

[@jason6325]

@@chrispeterson1247 yea im oldschool. I don't understand allot of this stuff. But I'll tell you this. How stupid can one be. Poach deer and brag.im. An oldschool guy. I love hunting. And i have been doing it for a very long time. But i keep my deer to myself and family. They mean to much to me to go flauntin around. I respect the animal to much for that.

[@nestraiderservices]

The simple fact of the DA involvement in this automatically raises red flags all over the place for me. This DA knows there is an opportunity to make money off this animal. Glad to here you guys following up on this after the initial podcast with CJ. Keep up the conversations!

[@hdelano11]

How is the DA making money though? Just wondering? Does the 30k go to his paycheck?

[@scale_nerd356]

I just think he’s pissed the buck doesn’t stay in his land. It’s not impossible that the buck lived on the sisters land that nobody ever hunted

[@sack_em_up]

@@chrispeterson1247 the clown would be the guy that doesn't know shit about what really happened, but knows this kid poached the deer....what a tool!

[@scale_nerd356]

@@chrispeterson1247 not impossible

[@daxcape3997]

​@scale_nerd356 not impossible, but also not likely.

[@wishmeluckhunting7727]

Love your podcast, been waiting on this one. Can't wait to hear your take about this.

[@blakekinney8455]

Great podcast!!!!! What a great person to have that happen to. Alexander is dealing with that perfect and it's great to see he is down to earth and not chasing money from what he accomplished. Keep up the great work fellas. Love watching the podcasts

[@j23bizzle]

When I saw the 1st podcast of this deer,I had a very bad feeling about it, time will tell...

[@jeffreyroberts1515]

Hmmmm.....why are we to assume that the DA's property was this bucks core area? If that is the case, wouldn't the DA have numerous time stamped trail cam photos of this deer? Could it be that the bucks core area was somewhere in between CJs sister's property and the DA's, making it more likely that the buck didn't have to travel the 10-12 miles. If the bucks core area was only 5-6 miles in-between the 2 properties, and the DA was hunting heavily and put unwanted pressure on the deer. It would make sense that the buck would travel toward the less pressured area , which would be toward CJ's sisters. Word getting around that the buck was seen on the DAs property along with the adjacent property of "open to hunting" park land mentioned in this video would bring even more pressure from hunters around the DA's property thus forcing the buck to travel to less pressured area " CJ's unhunted sisters small parcel"

[@JS-pv3df]

I am happy to see a well thought out and honest take on this.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Obviously a lot of circumstantial evidence but we wanted to talk it through

[@ThreeHuntersandbow]

Yessir so excited, gets me through workdays like weekends

[@JS-pv3df]

And don't discount the bad shot. If he shot it 10 miles away and moved it, he would have had to first find it from a bad hit. That in itself would put him all over the property he killed it on. To not get caught tracking a wounded buck on a property you are trespassing on? Unlikely.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Femoral artery can put that deer down in sight. But agree. Most “poachers” if they shoot it in the ass and it runs away, they aren’t tracking it

[@SpikerOutdoors1993]

Yall are pathetic.

[@urbanarcher3535]

He would’ve been on a cell camera if that was the case. I don’t think it was a bad shot. That’s made up to create a timeline for the move!

[@JS-pv3df]

The warden would have known immediately if that was a lie as all he had to do was look at the deer and the hit would be obvious.

[@urbanarcher3535]

The warden never saw the buck whole. He was there days later. CJ only said there was still some blood where he gutted the deer when he show warden. No way to tell what killed it or where the shot was. It was skull capped and probably ground meat by the.

[@cray-z7404]

When C.J. Hunted his sister’s property, it was overgrown with weeds and vegetation and the property had been for sale and unoccupied for while … that buck has probably been using that property by the ponds where it was a safe haven and he could feed and breed without hunting pressure… research proves on collared bucks that mature bucks can travel 15+ miles to breed during the rut ! I believe this guy just got lucky and hunted a spot no one would expect a buck of that caliber to be which is usually the case , bucks will seek weird places to seek safety from hunters and to breed doe’s ! I’ve hunted a buck in my hometown and ended up killing him on my friends farm in another town over atleast 15 miles away ! I also killed the biggest deer by youth in North Carolina in 1993 at 13 years old & scored 146 5/8 & I was in news papers and center of attention at North Carolina DIXIE DEER CLASSIC & I killed that buck with 2 older cousins just walking a property and I went one way they went other until the buck stepped out into my path and I shot it twice with browning pump shotgun with broken arm and had switch hands to pump shotgun and I only hit deer with2 buckshot one in nose and one in heart and I was lucky and after everything was said and done rumors of me killing at night with spot light surfaced and my dad killed it actually and so on and so forth !people hate to see someone else shine and they try to dissect and take your glory !

[@americanagothic7851]

I found it interesting that you said research on collared bucks shows they will travel up to 15 miles during rut, and you shot one 15 miles away from where you usually see him. 😂 So I looked it up, I didn’t find this to be the case. Both MSU and Penn State 10+ year studies did not have bucks going 15+ miles during rut. They showed the longest a buck will travel is early in its life when it gets kicked from the doe group, that if they survive they MAY travel up to 10 miles to find a new home range. Some bucks were traveling up to 7-10 miles during rut. But most were traveling 3-5 miles away from their home range, which conveys what my friends and family and I see. Not saying it’s not true, your story. But I found it interesting.

[@zachbrueggeman9748]

What a incredible turn of events! Either way the case goes we the fans are two episodes Invested into this saga please consider getting him back on to finish the story of this Ohio monarch . The fans deserve it as well as the deer . He definitely deserves his story told!

[@LIFTHUNTREALESTATE]

Congrats on the brokerage deal! Me and my buddy (both FL RE Brokers) started our own Brokerage in 2018 for the same reasons. You won't regret it.

[@theoldgobbler2461]

If you are charged with a crime you are guilty. Until you prove you are innocent of the crime. If you have no money you're at the mercy of the court.

[@BrokeBoysOutdoors]

I agree!!

[@Timbermonkey360]

The only time that you have to (prove) that you're innocent is when you have been arrested.. Until then here in America, you're innocent until proven guilty.

[@BrokeBoysOutdoors]

@@Timbermonkey360 tell the justice system that lol

[@graveytrain1301]

💯 facts

[@stdavis22]

The only thing that i find suspicious is him supposedly not having his phone, but calling/facetime with his friend that he admitted to, and only having 1 daytime photo when the deer was recovered at 11am

[@dirtjunkie2749]

Believe he said he facetimed his friend once he got home that night, not while in the stand.

[@shaewright2123]

Congrats on the new journey! That’s where Clint Stout went so I’m sure you guys will build a strong brand as well for selling hunting properties in PA!

[@aaronkorty8415]

Watching now, so many of the questions you have about forensic science I’m screaming the answers at my tv 😂😂😂

[@j.r.saxton1994]

This is why I video my hunts now... With how people are these days, if I were to ever get an opportunity at a big buck like that, then I would have video evidence to prove my case...

[@urbanarcher3535]

Great point!!!

[@EremosOutdoors]

Facts! Same here ☝🏼

[@makaylalawson4977]

Every time a big deer is killed this stuff starts every single time

[@HUNTRPOD]

Agree

[@tylerwhite4743]

​@@HUNTRPOD have you ever shot a buck and took pictures 24 hrs later and there is no sign of rigamortus? Look at the eyes too, after 24 hrs you can tell it's not fresh. Those pics were taken within hours of the kill. Also the daytime pic the deer is stiff. Explain it

[@hdelano11]

Most people have photos of a 110incher as soon as they find it. I guess they just didn't feel like taking photos of a 230inch. Probably took another nap beside the buck since he was stressed 😂😂

[@jameshudson2930]

An this is the very reason if I would ever be lucky enough to harvest a world class record book deer, the DNR is coming to my tree and helping me track it!

[@josiahjones3476]

Rigor mortise starts within a few hours of death and relaxes around 24 hours. I wouldn't lean on that argument too heavy

[@colefendelet8507]

PLEASE READ!!! I went to school to be a DNR, and I never ended up finishing the schooling. But an officer came to give a big presentation, and he said the DNR gets most guys to confess by bluffing the hunter with fake evidence (photo shopping pictures, ect) and fake stories against the hunter to see if his story will fall apart. So it doesn’t surprise me that the DNR says they have CJ’s knives to try bluff him into a confession. The officer that gave the presentation to my class, pretty much told everyone how to get away with poaching. I also think the DA is abusing his position, and probably has buddies that are DNR that are on his side. So to me it’s all corrupt.

[@brendabrewer6054]

A lot of them are power hungry and are dirty sneaky. Some are great dudes but they have too much power

[@whosasking2008]

If this buck was killed where they are saying, I actually work very close to this location. There is a walking trail that goes by the landfill and I walk this trail frequently on my lunch breaks. The deer around there are very tame and are not afraid of humans. You can get very close to them. I could definitely see this buck getting shot in this suburban area. Also, if you read his story on Outdoor Life, he said he made a bad shot and the buck went off a little ways, but actually came back by and he couldn't get another shot, because he couldn't get his crossbow cocked. What he told you guys was, he made a bad shot on the buck and the buck walked off out of sight. Two different stories right there. His sister's property is only 8 acres and not 30 acres, you can find this information easily on properties. Alot of red flag on this story.

[@SexyplexiGT]

I agree. I think he poached it. His whole story is a red flag to me. I could be wrong maybe I am but I don't think so.

[@SexyplexiGT]

@@chrispeterson1247 I have to agree. The guys saying it's just the DA mad aren't seeing what I'm seeing. I try not to judge anyone for anything or make assumptions but this guy smells of bullshit

[@thetrooper1061]

Just the way he was talking sounded shady. Lots of unnecessary details, story getting derailed and side tracked and going in different directions. It's intentional deception

[@royguidry1311]

So as a former Detective I will say you are definitely on to something. We always had a saying, if one part of what you tell me is untrue, then the whole thing is a lie by virtue. Not that none of it happened, but nothing true has any part of a lie in it. Something even that seemingly insignificant is a crucial part of a story that he was very detailed about. You never have to try to remember what you told someone when you tell the whole truth. Lies, especially detailed lies are hard to keep track of and remember. I was hoping it was true, but actual evidence and his own story is taking this case in a bad direction for him.

[@tannerharris1483]

The fact that this DA is involved in this whole thing makes me believe CJ right away. Really really hope someone keeps this DA from abusing his power.

[@signhunter8084]

His buddy CORY works at a farm down the road from the landfill and CORY is the one that started this whole ordeal a few years ago. He is the ring leader. And these boys have been hunting the city property illegally for a few years now. So it’s not like CJ went in there one time and killed this monster buck. Him and Cory and a couple other friends have been sneaking in there and hunting for awhile now. I know for a fact that CJ has taken 2 bucks off those city properties and another gentleman that is in their clique that hasn’t been mentioned, has also taken a buck from their. So there is a lot that will come out in the end. And CJ and all his criminal buddies need the book thrown at them for what they have been doing for the past few seasons.

[@nyleslehnen4751]

Oooooh that’s pretty damming, look like he is 💯 a super poacher at this point

[@jacobneill5711]

What town is this in I live in northern Ohio and we have the same situation where I live

[@GaryGunna2323]

My share comes from experience in WI hunting. Last couple days of October/beginning of November had a really tall full racked buck show up @ 8:30 am in front of my tree stand, 1 and only time we had ever got him on camera and we had A LOT of shooters on camera often. He was much taller than any deer we had probably ever had on camera, literally reminded me of a Muley. Never seen him on our property other than the picture, didn’t see him on the few hundred acres of public around the parcel. They move A LOT that time of year

[@ByLeb]

Let’s all agree on something. I know for a fact, most people who shoot a giant or once in a lifetime deer on someone’s property that I have permission on or on public land will not tell the exact spot where he got it. Unless i own the land, i would lie too. That’s number one, number 2 it’s around a D.A. These guys will try and bend whatever power they have to help them or just screw someone they now hate if they can’t belive someone else shot the deer they been hunting. Another point is why would a DNR officer come and check right after? Was he pushed by the D.A to go check? Would they have done the same thing if it was a 120” deer? Or are they speculating because some people claim that deer was 10-20 miles away? Deer can travel so good luck proving that. Also hunting not too far from home, not taking your phone is very very normal. I bring mine when I hunt but never touch it unless i’m taking photos. Some people go hunting to disconnect from the digital world so that being a question mark is just nuts. Again with what information did they gather that gave the judge the green light to get warrants and the power to seize things that easily on random peoples claims of there being pictures miles away. So many question marks and knowing that how the DNR works and governments work in general. They can stack everything on their side and do and get what they want. They can lie in cases during questioning or what not, but if we lie, it’s open to jail time. Always innocent until proven guilty so i’m with the kid.

[@wcb5890]

They don't "claim" the deer was 10-20miles away....there are actual pictures of it 10-12 miles away. It is not normal in todays day and age to leave your phone at home sorry I know tons of guys that hunt "close to home" or even just behind their house, and they have their phones on them. Even more so when you get dropped of and picked up by someone. As far as "would they have done the same thing if it was 120" deer" more than likely if a landowner that it was shot illegally on their property, yes probably. Also, you probably wouldn't of heard about the deer if it was 120: because the kid wouldn't be running all over promoting it. He also was hunting his sisters land and showed the DNR officer the carcass of the deer on that property. Which is also odd considering nobody brings the carcass back to the exact spot they killed the deer. Will he be found guilty...who knows but to defend the kid based on the reasoning that you allude to towards the end of your rant, that he is basically innocent because of how govt and the DNR works is laughable. He probably poached it but the "evidence" may not be strong enough to convict him. But I suppose O.J. didn't do it because govt.

[@hdelano11]

I got the opinion they heard he killed a giant and wanted to see. Where I am it would be very normal for the warden to come look and say man that's a nice one!

[@Florida239]

@@wcb5890he killed the deer legally get over it

[@ByLeb]

@@wcb5890 okay so mr sherlock holmes you seem like you got insider news on this 🤣. You need to learn some proper grammar first of all. Second, he isn’t well off, probably got one car at home, so he let his wife use it to get the kids from school and move around if there was an emergency. Better than it being parked at a farm the whole time doing nothing. Third, You need to wake up lol, so many people hunt their own property or close to home without taking their phones 🤣🤣🤣. A lot of hunters go out to disconnect from reality and see it as a getaway to just relax and be at peace for a day. You don’t know nothing about where the carcass was because there has been no information on that you’re talking from your ass. And if you think the DNR wouldn’t love to have that thing hanging in their office, you’re lost. Why doesn’t the government spend this much money and efforts on bigger real life issues instead of doing it for deer? Fining people $1000 an inch? That’s way over the top and is just plain stupid. You seem like the type of boot licker for any type of officers lol. Wake up buddy we as society put an emphasis on deer antlers. Take a step back society and especially the DNR have made big deer antlers a prized possession. So would they have done it if it was a 120” deer? F No, at the end of the day it’s still a damn deer, and the antlers on a 120 v 220 is still made of bone. There’s so many giants that for a couple i’ve seen that would smash milo hansons buck, but some people just do not care and don’t want to deal with the jealously and target painting on themselves for a darn deer. Wake up buddy

[@tmoney8785]

I'm with CJ Prove it. And as somebody who has a real disdain Authority figures. I hope got that buck legally that DA wanted.

[@HUNTRPOD]

That’s what it comes down to, prove it

[@TheVenariEffect]

We were able to have a turkey poacher busted 3 years after the event because they pinged the offenders phone to the exact location we gave the game warden. Showed up at his door and busted him red handed. But, in this case, didn’t CJ “forget his phone” at home the night he shot it?

[@scottellis8964]

No ,he just didn’t have service that hunt

[@zachk128]

he said he left it at home. never said he didnt have service@@scottellis8964

[@thedangler4912]

If they want you to be guilty bad enough, there will be no fair trial. Even if he isn't lying, he still needs to be scared.

[@jeffrey4869]

What CJ really needs is a damned good lawyer. One who will sue the state for defamation of character if CJ is found to be telling the truth. The lawyer will get his cut, so he'll work hard to get CJ's name back in good graces.

[@cjalexander6801]

@@jeffrey4869got One of the best in the state

[@TheAmericanKid94]

Oh boy. Here we go!!!

[@chrisapgar1330]

If A of that magnitude Deer was on the DAs property, in this day and age, the DAs property and also surrounding property would be covered in trail cams. And there’s no way he wasn’t caught on camera.

[@nyleslehnen4751]

Nah, because the da knows city prop he can’t run em on so that property and the landfill would not have cams its not a small area u would have to have poachers running a lotta cams man and they don’t and if did they aren’t comin forward and if they did guys wear masks too etc not good chance to get em on cam on land doesn’t have a legal slant on it like the land on backside of da with county rd backside of it

[@museum52]

Look at the story of the Huff buck killed in Indiana. Huff had no history with the deer. It ended up traveling 8 miles away from other hunters that actually made a podcast about the history they had with the buck... There's so many things to say about this story.... Sad thing is just like you said its tainted. Why does it seem the Milo buck will never be broken? Thanks guys for the follow up on this... INTERESTING!!!!

[@nyleslehnen4751]

If huff buck had longer brows 5s he woulda

[@PublicLandAdvocate]

The amount of money he was offered for that deer was over 6 figures. He also talked about being investigated by the Indiana DNR for lying about what really happened.

[@DavidSmith-ig6fe]

I don't think the Milo buck should be in the record book since he killed it on a deer drive with a rifle.

[@nyleslehnen4751]

@@DavidSmith-ig6fe by that tho id say same about huff buck lol as a bowhunter they allowed crossbows that deer would likely still be alive today if not for crossguns im an old school iowa bowhunter from indiana i grew up there bowhunting and really started hunting giants here in iowa over last 10 yrs / as it is disappointing that state gov officials have no spines and allow dumbass methods of take for able bodied men irks me and I hate it can’t stand it /. It doesn’t matter how a deer is taken for record books because it’s just how it is bowhunters hate it but the decision makers who let these laws pass make it so we have no choice in the matter so until some of us man up and run for governor to change it we can bitch all we want but it won’t change so method of take is irrelevant as long as was legal take / now granted us bowhunters can make fun of em all we like but that’s theirs for us both to live with…. Imo bowhunting is the best method of take on big game animals but that’s my opinion as I am entitled to that opinion take it how ya like but if we had Bowhunters all over the Midwest only their would be records broken all the time and it’d be a whole lotta fun and deer numbers can be controlled thru doe harvests to earn a buck and also if guys want to kill big bucks they gotta manage does so ….. just irrelevant to have a gun season or crossbows but they do it some guys want a qwik fix and done the lazy way me I hunt all season kill a lotta does and know every buck in large vicinity’s and could manage the whole Midwest for best big buck hunting u ever saw if I was in charge lol….

[@DavidSmith-ig6fe]

@nyleslehnen4751 I'm an avid bowhunter as well. I think crossbows should only be allowed for those with disabilities and have a season similar to modern gun. It's just too easy to kill deer with a gun or crossbow. It takes any advantages the deer have away.

[@johnny_fins]

when jared tried to reenact in his mind how he would get away it and closed his eyes, that was pretty funny hahaha

[@user-um3ed1tw8n]

Awesome episode love the insight on all angles, I read the article about the North Carolina /West Virginia guy great point innocent till proven guilty.

[@KnightLine843]

I had a kid poach a deer I had been hunting in TN a few years ago. He was convicted and the state kept the deer. Additionally, if the state does keep the deer I bet it ends up hanging on the wall in the DA's office.

[@thesouthernlife4061]

That deer could have very well traveled during the rut and these "officials" are pissed and want the rack so they are railroading him little towns and counties are crooked like that

[@HUNTRPOD]

Crazy and big bucks make people do stupid things

[@marvinbland7309]

Especially in that area it's flat as hell. In lower ohio in meigs county its hills and bucks travel 5 to 10 miles a day in the rut.

[@thesouthernlife4061]

I have heard of bucks traveling 25miles during the rut not in 1 night but it doesnt look like they have recent pics of the deer just older way before he killd it and it was rut when he killed it but who knows i dont trust these officials especially them being the ones hunti g the deer also sounds fishy

[@tylerwhite4743]

That's not happening here... his story is bogus

[@austinoberhaus1943]

@@HUNTRPOD what’s really “crazy” is how many people want him to be guilty.

[@coltongibson7519]

Been waiting for this lol thank god

[@davidtisch5237]

You always give people the benefit of the doubt until the doubts out way the benefits of truthfulness Let the DNR handle the investigation but continue to update us on anything new in the case.

[@zzz7zzz9]

it's nuts, these days, how people think normal things are 'strange', 'weird', 'unbelievable', etc, just because it's not something they do. i've left my phone behind before, that's not strange. hell, people are shocked when someone doesn't have any social media, these days. i have none, and many people i know have none.

[@craigwagner327]

You know as well as i, if you and your friend recover a world class buck in the daytime let alone any decent buck, their is NO way you are not going to take pics where the deer fell and no way cj again forgot his phone and his friend didnt have a phone. Impossible in this day in age

[@nyleslehnen4751]

Agree 💯

[@graveytrain1301]

Not everyone has to have a cell phone every second of everyday.

[@craigwagner327]

@graveytrain1301 your right but it is rare is all I'm saying especially If you shoot a deer of that caliber, your going to get in the field pics

[@graveytrain1301]

@@craigwagner327 i agree. My ass woulda had pics posted everywhere 5 min after I found him. Lol. There are a lot of things off about this whole thing but the fact that the DA was hunting him and is now the one going after the dude that killed the buck just doesn't sit well with me

[@craigwagner327]

@graveytrain1301 yeah, he is doomed from the start

[@tbishop6726]

Question for the 1:14 mark the sheds.... How far away were they found from the supposed poaching location?

[@johnnorwood3553]

About time for more news!

[@HUNTRPOD]

Says the hearing isn’t until 4/1/24

[@Bo-Huntr]

What a shocker. The kid who seems full of sht, tells a story thats filled w sht, repeatedly. Got indicted. Never saw it coming. Just shocked.

[@melvinavis8070]

On law enforcement they call it a clue. Forgot hus cell phone...yeah, he burnt it up on the first podcast

[@TheWildlifeGallery388]

Saying that he (CJ) "Didn't have legally written permission" could also mean he shot it on the DA's property? or ANY property for that matter, not necessarily his sisters. You're telling me the only grip & grin pics are of a nighttime in the bed of a truck? ---- NOW, I also think them taking the rack is bulls987t - this is the problem with Game & Fish departments, you're considered guilty until you've proven yourself innocent. Whatever side of the fence you're on, you have to admit 2 + 2 isn't adding up to 4. And if this was done legally, it should be easy for CJ to put this to rest with kill site pics and those close friends we all would have with us to help recover such a Buck.

[@nitroman1999]

“I will be amazed.” 🤣great comment👍🏻

[@COCOCALINUT]

Great Show, On the last episode of this story you commented that CJ had confessed. Newer episodes on other shows CJ sounds pretty confident he didnt confess to anything. CJ stated he contacted DNR They dropped the ball when they came out to his sisters they had evidence and didn't take it.

[@Buddystemz]

He didn’t say he left his phone on purpose. He was kinda annoyed he left it because he had nothin to do durin the day but decided to just hunt the whole day anyway. 50:57 if they find out his phone was used at all durin daylight hours that day, they’ll know his story is BS also.

[@cookwaterproofingandfounda8149]

From the moment I started watching the podcast with TJ things were not adding up! As much as I hate deer drama and the dark cloud over haters in the hunting world … sorry TJ this one smelt fishy from go! I think the truth will come out. There’s way too many people involved to get away from this at this point.

[@jeffrey4869]

It's CJ, not TJ. lol

[@melvinavis8070]

I've been following this for a while, from the AWT and articles, plus these podcasts and from reading and listening, there are a lot of holes that are left, especially before the charges dropped a couple weeks later. Most have been discussed and beat to death here, but here are my take aways from things not brought up: Why 2 knives...typically I use 2 to dress a deer, one to dress and one to remove the tarsal glands so we don't contaminate the me. Why were they there and not the "kill site"? Maybe because it was gutted there to ease in loading and either forgotten or disposed of. The DNA and FINGERPRINTS should be definitely telling. To go along with cameras, get the exact routes on those days and look up traffic, gas station, atm and restaurant cams. Also run the credit/atm activity during travel times. To me, the was a lot of over explaining going on when a simple answer was all that was required. Wiley Coyote, simply genius comes to mind

[@ryanfarmer5155]

On my current farm i own, i have a buck on camera and seen in person this season that was also 10 miles away a day before from a neighbor. Crazy yes, but real, also yes. Its very possible. As far as the knives, they will probably check his DNA, the deers DNA and compare it to the DNA on the DAs property is the smoking gun or not. Also the triangulation of his cell phone will come into play. Be interesting to see how it pans out, i also think you two need.to go back to your initial podcast and rewatch what he and you all said. Your video today is not correct from your own show, Just saying. Enjoyed the episode

[@craigwagner327]

Another thing they could do is have him climb with the climber stand his friend lent him. You would be surprised how many people don't know how to use them or are not coordinated enough. Didn't believe it till I saw my brother try to use one. To me he didn't seem like a die hard hunter like you guys and I are

[@user-sp9hy8tq4j]

Agreed

[@stevehess65]

AWESOME PODCAST!!!!!!!!!!

[@tfelich19]

I just watched CJ's interview on Hunters Advantage. The dude is telling the truth. He should have lawyered up before saying all he said, but nevertheless, you don't come out with this amount of confidence and transparency - full well knowing what's at stake for him if he's lying- unless you are sure of your story. Frankly, he has a real case for unlawful search and seisure.

[@Dark30Outdoors]

I’ve heard that the DA was NOT hunting the deer. This property was a safe haven for the buck and other deer. Lots of people knew about the buck and that it was on a property where permission to hunt was not possible to obtain. I’ve also said there were discrepancies in his story from your podcast to another one. I want the harvest to be legit, but there is a lot of smoke here!!

[@graveytrain1301]

Was there high fence around this "safe haven" to keep the deer there?

[@nickfairchild2118]

​@@graveytrain1301no

[@JimBowSlice]

The definition of poaching is any taking of game in an unlawful manner

[@HUNTRPOD]

Yep there you go

[@jeffmabry1149]

That doesn't mean take my deer till you come up with something piss or get off the pot.

[@tylerwhite4743]

​@@HUNTRPOD (A) No person shall hunt or trap upon any lands, pond, lake, or private waters of another, except water claimed by riparian right of ownership in adjacent lands, or shoot, shoot at, catch, kill, injure, or pursue a wild bird, wild waterfowl, or wild animal thereon without obtaining written permission from the owner or the owner's authorized agent.

[@tylerwhite4743]

​@HUNTRPOD that is right from Ohios Codes... how you can't see that it's more than just trespassing is mind boggling...

[@thetrooper1061]

​@@tylerwhite4743my thought exactly...

[@gillesbolduc863]

my buddy found a squatter on his property, he had made a road and set up camp on the back forty, would of never found out had it not been for tracking deer, police were called out and found grow opp, shoot out ensued both died... crazy

[@HUNTRPOD]

Whoa that’s insane. I’ve come across shady shit on places I thought I knew every inch

[@mikevernacchio5384]

It’s easy to think this kid poached it when he talks about his life story you automatically think it’s a sketchy dude who would do some sketchy stuff because people suck and think the worst always. What does a picture prove? Has no one ever seen this deer in the stand? How did he live so long and get so old and big? Some deer live a nomad lifestyle because they are older and more mature. If he did kill it on someone else property then take his license but don’t ruin his life over it. People are out there doing a lot worse. Great episode boys.

[@ethanmontgomery4413]

The burden of proof is on the state. Circumstantial evidence is not proof and we are all considered innocent until proven guilty. There is no way to prove that deer didn’t travel 10 miles, even overnight, during the rut. I would give him the benefit of the doubt until absolute rock solid proof of his guilt is found.

[@chrishybart3269]

I agree that most of the evidence is circumstantial and he is innocent until proven guilty. Having said that, the “circumstantial” evidence is so strong, it just screams what really happened. He didn’t own a weapon or climber and lived within eyesight of the property area that he was frequently seen ( landfill and DA property area). Anyone that is a true hunter, sees this for what it is. He lived where it was likely sighted many times and did not even own a weapon or climber or the basics of what any, even fledgling, new hunters or aspiring bow hunters would definitely own. Anyone that has ever been a bow hunter ( especially a bow Hunter) sees this picture and the “circumstantial “ evidence differently than someone that has not hunted or been a committed hunter ( like bow hunters typically are). Those bow hunters out there know exactly what I am saying

[@ethanmontgomery4413]

@@chrishybart3269 I wasn’t aware of any evidence of him living in the area. If that is true it certainly doesn’t look good for him. I based my statement on the limited information provided on the podcast. You obviously have another source of information. If you don’t mind, I would love to know where all of this new information is coming from. Are you a local?

[@seanrichardson881]

Probably my favorite podcast by you guys! The pretending your criminals, how would you get away with it? Haha, I did so many stupid things between the age of 16 and 20! Haha but I truly believe this guy is innocent! Give him back his deer!

[@HUNTRPOD]

Hahaha same man. We all do dumb stuff. Just not the same now like it used to be…also I was trying to kill spikes 😂

[@notuncertain5556]

Great episode. Needed addressed. I think he is in hot water and the evidence is mounting.

[@cjalexander6801]

😂😂😂

[@camryd7981]

Where did they say the Huff Buck was located on display? I’m from Indiana and would like to go see it. Heard it earlier in the video but can’t figure where at and can’t find anything online at all.

[@TWHunt]

Did you ask him why he lied about the size of his sister’s property? I’m saying best case scenario he did shoot it on that small ONLY 8 ACRE PROPERTY!!! Then it ran to another property and he recovered it without permission- BEST CASE SCENARIO. But still WHY DID HE LIE ABOUT THE PROPERTY???? I just can’t let that go.

[@WILDBREED76]

Yeah, that made no sense, especially when you give the location and names of property owner, like people are curious and are gonna check it out, it’s 9.1 acres on my app, I measured using google earth from corner of the property where he said he was in a tree to the center between the two ponds and it’s 65 yards… I mean I’m cheering for the guy and hope it’s all good, but when you see little details like that, you can’t help but think… I mean shit, you would think he could still see the buck from a stand at only 65yards in a open field with only two ponds on it. Either way, he’s innocent till proved otherwise, and that’s the way it should be.

[@jordanhudson5075]

He could of had permission from the sister and when the mother in law or whom ever heard about him potentially profiting off of something on her property she could of started causing trouble for him because she didn’t like him in the first place and we all know someone like that, jealous, bitter, wants others to lose more than they wanna win just a thought.

[@NittanyMountainProStaff]

That was my thought and also a comment he made for me thinking somebody didn’t want him there ..

[@gillesbolduc863]

were can we find the deer shed pics of the CJ buck from previous years? great podcast

[@kenn1320]

His story was fishy about needing to be dropped off and having to sit dark to dark because the other owner didnt like him. Then he said his ride asked him what took so long. Id be curious how long after dark was she waiting? 20min after dark, 1hr, etc? Like did she drop him off at his sisters and he met up with his buddy and got dropped off at the other location before daylight? He had to reverse that process and that's what took him so long to get back to her that night?

[@JS-pv3df]

Also sounds like the rumor of a trail cam picture 20 miles away on the same night is also BS. This reeks of jealous DNR and DA shady games. 10 miles away 20+ days before the rut means nothing.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Only pic we’ve seen was a trail cam video in October

[@aaronbartlett3573]

After watching the podcast you did with him, I'd say calling him very smart is a big stretch.

[@jaymckown15]

Who knows, but I went back and re-listened to the original podcast. So many things out of the ordinary. No phone on him, no daylight pictures while it was recovered at 10am, immediately getting an attorney. There is just so many times in that podcast where the story is weird for no reason and it was like he was explaining something he wasn’t even accused of yet. Hopefully time will tell the truth.

[@GaryGunna2323]

The fact he immediately got an attorney just shows he doesn’t want to get fucked by the law like many who do not “lawyer up”. Getting a lawyer is not an admission of guilt

[@jaymckown15]

@@GaryGunna2323 There are so many red flags. But, for sure. I always hire an attorney for every hunt! Who doesn’t? Your first call is always your attorney right? Even before you take a daylight picture!

[@brianbly2111]

I had a buck on trail camera this season at 704am and then got him at 840am and it was a mile away. So they can travel long ways pretty quickly

[@daveyboy8907]

Yep a mile is nothing..I have seen them go that far in a few minutes if they are cruising .

[@iwalkincircles2960]

People can run 1 mile in under 10 mins easy. A deer would be way faster at just a trot

[@thetrooper1061]

I live one county over in Ohio. We have high deer density. Not saying it's impossible but this buck would have literally walked past hundreds of hot does to get over there not saying impossible just implausible

[@hdelano11]

​@@thetrooper1061you nailed it! This buck just said F every other hot doe and went on a journey. People saying this buck went a mile and etc. That's nothing. 15-20 miles is insane. I give benefit of doubt but NO way it's going 20 miles with zero pressure and hundreds of other hot doe.

[@GodMadeDirtWormsnMore]

Its extremely unfortunate how quickly and viciously the young man in question here is being attacked, and practically every one of his attackers are completely ignorant of any pertinent information, aka they dont know their own ass from a hole in the ground! From him being called trash to being written off as a worthless criminal, its all just...among other things, sad. When i watched the original episode with the young man, I was struck by what sounded like a decent, humble human being who was experiencing a life filled with lots of struggles, financial and otherwise. How bout we take a step back, rememeber we're all pretty damn flawed, and the only one who ever walked this planet who was perfect was crucified, died, was buried and rose 3 days later to atone for each and every single one of us who werent! Regardless if hes another citizen whos rights are being violated or if he shot the damn deer in the headlights with a stolen pistol, he needs prayer, not piling on! I'll guarantee you praying for him is the right thing to do whether your one of the few pulling for him or one of the many haters. Dont believe me? Try it and see! God bless C.J., his family, and all those this reaches. Big bucks are cool and all, but on judgement day they wont seem so high on the priority list. Jesus loves us all!

[@cjalexander6801]

Amen brother 🙏🏼🙌🏼

[@veteranoutdoorsman9978]

To me it seems like the permission he got from his sister is questionable because he said the other landowner (her mother in law i believe) didnt like him and didn't want him there. In many states if one landowner says no you can't hunt there regardless of what others said. Who knows? Innocent untill proven guilty.

[@dionysis84]

I think that’s exactly what this is about… if so that’s some bullshit on the game wardens and that DA. Jealousy 100% but if he’s guilty then it is what it is.

[@NFloridagobblerguru]

Law enforcement will always tell you that someone under investigation has confessed. They are hoping that anyone involved, that they don't know about or had information, will come clean or get shook up and make a mistake. Why does the guy only have one set of sheds on a 10 year old buck? Wouldnt you be looking every year? If he was looking every year and not finding more, would it be safe to assume that the buck had been pressured out of the area?

[@danjanes8689]

What guy has the sheds?

[@timmykellz2931]

When you boys where talking if it was yall that did it and how you would've i was laughing so hard best part of the pod

[@WaterandWoodsmen]

My buddy was in sports illustrated for DNA conviction of deer meat he had in cooler in a WMA in Florida said he got it on a private lease DNA proved it wasn’t

[@Mattcaudill14]

Didn't he show the game warden the gut pile on his sisters property? If so then the knives are not from him. I've never heard of a poacher taking the time to gut a deer.

[@joshscott3184]

A gut pile doesn't determine where a deer is killed does it?

[@user-sp9hy8tq4j]

Poachers don’t normally kill state record ! When they do you have to have a alibi that comes with the fame of a record book deer

[@user-sp9hy8tq4j]

@@joshscott3184absolutely not

[@melvinavis8070]

The kill site was staged IMO

[@user-sp9hy8tq4j]

@@melvinavis8070 agreed

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Maybe when taking a buck of this size, the proper thing to do would be to include the game warden in the celebration and documentation. Any good game warden would love to be a part of the story and being witness to the recovery of such a world class animal.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Not a bad idea at all

[@hard-d-dragon-slayer9825]

Dan Coffman did that w/ his buck, the game warden was reluctant to come out, said something along the lines of, 'yeah everyone's got the next world record patterned.'

[@jasonbrownlee5151]

Good idea whoo tee whoo. Love your videos as well buddy keep up the good work

[@MattJ25]

That’s a shit ton of comments lol, great pod boys and the best part is how you guys were going on about how you guys would have tried to cover your tracks had you been in the same position haha

[@silentassassin1108]

The pictures of the deer show the shot placement, it was exactly where he said it was hit. The trespassing and actually killing the deer and recovering after a bad hit seems a little far fetched. If the DA was after a deer this size I would imagine he would have cameras spread out on the property that would have caught cj or the wounded deer at some point throughout the process.

[@KillingStuffWithJosephJackson]

So one thing you guys didn’t mention as a suspicious situation is that according to CJ’s story, when the game warden came to check things out 5 or 6 days later he pointed to the deer carcass where it died. According to CJ, he told the game warden something along the line of ya the carcass is right there where it died if you want to look at it… Obviously they had it hanging up at one point… That would mean they took it out of the woods, processed it, then took the carcass back. Why would you go through the trouble of taking the carcass back to “where it died” after the fact unless you were trying to paint a picture… 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@ifn30]

Was that in the initial CJ episode? If so, what was the timestamp on that? I'd like to go back and hear it.

[@BrokeBoysOutdoors]

I mean living not far from where this happened I will say I would rather dump my carcass on my father-in-law’s land instead of freezing it and throwing it away on trash day. It’s just my opinion I can take the carcass after I’m done processing straight to the woods and don’t have to work it into trash bags and freezer. Now back where you was hunting idk about all that lol I’d do it in one area of the property I don’t hunt and is far away from my stands.

[@KillingStuffWithJosephJackson]

@@BrokeBoysOutdoors I guess some people might, but I process my own deer and then the carcass goes straight into the trash can basically whole.

[@KillingStuffWithJosephJackson]

@@ifn30 yes it was. Time stamp 2:38:39 on the original video.

[@mikemiller3592]

The simple fact that he didn’t have any day time pics after he shot it saying he only wanted to take pics with a professional camera is pretty hard to believe I think it’s poached

[@zzz7zzz9]

America is strange, with how obsessive people are over deer. To the lengths some will go, to kill a deer, and the reactions to a big deer being killed. It's sad, that law enforcement always views us as guilty until proven otherwise. And it's like that, up here in Canada too. CO's are not your friend. And yes, they will lie. I have seen situations where they did. And this DA would too, seeing the lengths he's going to already. They are above the law almost, their words are just taken way more seriously.

[@ChadAlanJones]

Looked at the property that he claimed to shoot it on. The first red flag was why would he need to be dropped off when he could just park on the front part of the property where the deer wouldn’t see his vehicle. Unless you really didn’t have permission and was going in and out under the cover of darkness. I personally wouldn’t go to that effort if I “didn’t even know the buck was there”! 🤷‍♂️

[@craigwagner327]

The reason a lot of hunters dont get written permissions is because farmers are bullheaded and dont want to sign anything. They feel they are signing their lives away but yeah it is the law and yeah your right most dont do it for the reason i mentioned

[@joelrivard5598]

Move to Maine we can hunt any property that's not posted

[@craigwagner327]

@@joelrivard5598 interesting

[@hdelano11]

I guess farmers are bad people lmao

[@craigwagner327]

@@hdelano11 no really. That's just been my experience in my area

[@cbogolo]

Its pretty hard to maneuver through anyone's woods that hunts without being caught on a trail cam let alone the property of a DA that has seen a 240 inch deer on his property and hunts. Dude is probably running 10 tactacams noway you could go in blindly and track a deer without being caught on a camera. Im poor and have like 8 cameras but dont use them all because batteries got so expensive this season

[@Buddystemz]

Depends if it was 10 yards off the road. Most people who will poach a deer don’t really care until they get caught

[@jonathanb9429]

Not that difficult to do.

[@jonathanpotsko4289]

Love you guys and the podcast, this episode reminds of a Saturday Night skit called “Coffee talk”. Best comment gets the Hoyt, I will send you my address. Stay Safe, Shoot Straight, and enjoy the outdoors!

[@HUNTRPOD]

🤣

[@ericskrivseth4937]

This whole situation is just a sad deal. I hope cj's story is true because it's truly what we all dream of as hunters. If he is guilty of poaching, this guy pulled the wool over everybody's eyes. Big ol set of stones on this dude.

[@phillipthewise7758]

This has happened with numerous deer, including Don Higgins, Josh Bowmar, Mitch Rompala, and now Alexander. Anytime a record book deer is shot, People we'll try to make up any story to discredit the deer. Not to mention the Ohio DNR statement is vague and doesn't pinpoint enough information for a crime. Just for the deer sake, I hope the kid is innocent

[@HUNTRPOD]

Agree, lots of circumstantial evidence. Where’s the solid proof, either way

[@josephr1198]

Bowmars were poaching turkey and small bucks though.

[@phillipthewise7758]

@@chrispeterson1247 Have you seen but they were convicted of? Have you heard the actual story?

[@phillipthewise7758]

@josephr1198 I would debate your reply, but I can tell from the start that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about

[@phillipthewise7758]

@HUNTRPOD Also, didn't the DNR officer verify the gut pile on his sister's property?

[@craigholland2274]

And then if he's trespassing and the DA has game cameras up when you think that CJ would be on a game camera? I'd like to think he did this legally, but I got really no idea

[@Buddystemz]

People don’t have cameras covering every inch of their property. Usually you have them near where you hunt.

[@craigholland2274]

@@Buddystemz agree 💯. But on an unknown property , not knowing where the cameras are. Like a mine field. High risk of getting a pic of CJ on a trail camera I would think.

[@tylerwhite4743]

​@@craigholland2274 getting captured on trail cam on any property is a very low probability. I run 12 cameras on a 140 acres and I only caught myself on camera twice. Hell on one of my food plots that is 2 acres I ran 3 cameras and 75% of the deer I'd see while hunting it, wouldn't get captured on cam..

[@Buddystemz]

@@craigholland2274 if he shot it off the side of the road, it’s possible the guy didn’t have a camera nearby.

[@craigholland2274]

@@tylerwhite4743 So I guess begs the question of why run cams? To capture 25% of the deer?

[@DueEastArcheryHunting]

1:26:45 I wouldn’t say that because in the first podcast he said people were saying he spot lighted it and CJ said well it must of been from a telephone pole because you could clearly see from the entrance and exit hole that’s not the case. But what I thought was weird is CJ mentioned about it rained the next day which worked out in his favor? What was he talking about? The time stamp from the first podcast of him saying that is around 2.41.XX

[@unspokentuttles6572]

A lot of folks here in Ohio ask for permission to hunt private ground and are granted that permission by the land owner, however Ohio law requires written permission.

[@bennyjankins4856]

Innocent until PROVEN guilty. And by the way, a confession could just be admitting to shooting the buck. Not necessarily illegally shooting the buck. But prosecution will still call it a confession.

[@HUNTRPOD]

Yep makes sense

[@Buddystemz]

Confession usually means a different story than you previously told.

[@user-xp6vy4pi8b]

​​@chrispeterson1247 as hell, and they know it too.