Out Of Gas & Broken Bulkheads

Well what was a pretty mellow day turned in to a shit show real quick.
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[@jonsey893]

I know the content is meant to be on the mountain but even on the days off I think we’d love to see the stuff you guys get up to and the wrenching or problem solving to be done like with Derek’s situation

[@MuskokaFreerider]

I know I should include a little more

[@petertousignant6566]

Actually start a second channel with your downtime, repair shite your off mountain shite, now you get income from tw channels

[@tomgross9529]

@@MuskokaFreerider I’m sure the time you spend producing the best content out there is about more than you bargained for already. I’ve learned so much about getting unstuck from watching your channel it’s amazing

[@johnhorsfall4032]

Your calming demeanor is such a blessing. Just keep working through issues. Definitely a leader. Thanks

[@douglpickles]

Mellow ride to a gong show! The panic in you face when Derek came over the radio is the worst feeling, glad he's ok... although his poor sled isn't. Another Great Video Matt! PS. Remember to pack a SPARE BELT 😆

[@MuskokaFreerider]

Sure changed quickly haha surprised me

[@jiggyquinn5635]

I agree with you, no matter how big the group, one has to pack their own bag to be self sufficient. Glad everyone made it out! Thanks for sharing 👍

[@MuskokaFreerider]

Absolutely!

[@ghpjerry]

There is a solid rubber grommet where the ski bolts on to keep ski from flopping staight down when front end is in air. Many yrs ago I had lent my pristine 87 Phazer to a buddy for a trip to the UP in Michigan for his buddy that didn't have a sled. After they got back home he was going up a ramp on the seawall to his yard from the lake with it, to put it away & it slid off the ramp into said seawall, destroying 1 ski. He did as he should & replaced it but...I wouldn't find out until later, there was a problem with install. Fast fwd to next winter & we were in Northern MI at a buddies cabin we all went to regularly, & went on a Friday night ride after getting up there & unloaded. About 10 miles from cabin we came to a small river water crossing, no big deal on usual night, but not this night. We had some newbies to water crossings & after showing them how to do it & having them do it, they were all excited. Well, on the way back I was 1st as usual to do "whatever"...this time I hit the water & did a Jet-Ski "backturn" & ended up upside down in the middle of river. After dragging sled out myself, finally getting it running, I made it back to cabin with a warm GF to hold me in bed to warm me up. After we get home, I take front skis apart & find he failed to install the rubber grommet in ski, so when I hit the water 2nd time, the ski, rather than skipping across the water, it dipped into the water, spinning me like a carnival ride. Funny how such a small part can have such a huge impact!!

[@billynowhere847]

Great story! Sounds like my friends & I.

[@davidmiscarriage3087]

That had to have been a horrible ride back to cabin! No frostbite?

[@thor82ak]

Wow, he really ran right into that wall. That always sucks when you are cold and make mistakes, they usually just compound like that.

[@greatalaska6429]

Old Iron dog trick for frostbite is putting duct tape on your cheeks and nose. It looks silly, but works surprisingly well. Keep up the great work!

[@etothenphysdude206]

seen that more than a few times at Summit.

[@MuskokaFreerider]

I’ve seen it done but never tried it myself

[@banffdigger]

Had to do that before, works great.

[@ryankosciesza5295]

So that prevents frostbite? Or just rips off your skin after it is frostbiten? Lol

[@banffdigger]

@@ryankosciesza5295 prevents frostbite and peels off surprisingly well, the skin underneath sweats and helps the tape release. As well the tape can go right under your goggles so there isn't that little gap to freeze.

[@mik_maccc]

Nice to see some products out there that integrate with the buddy tracking - hopefully (but unlikely) BRP will take notice and integrate some similar functionality into thier displays in the future that also includes tracking other brands.

[@user-jt3vv1if8b]

Have run a trail tech for a few years until 7S display came along. Great item to communicate and safety between multiple brands of sleds. You have to purchase an extra dock and wall mount charger to charge at home.

[@chadc638]

Unless I missed it, I haven't heard you give your overall impressions of the Lynx or a 'comparison' to your other sleds. I'd be curious to get your thoughts on the pros and cons of your fleet, compared to each other :)

[@connormclaughlin7575]

Love watching these videos before school every morning

[@-tr0n]

Proof that even light days have the potential for hiccups. Glad you guys made out safe. People always make fun of the pack mules with 2 of everything...until they need something!

[@ararararara47]

I've got a m12 battery adapter tied into my wiring for the voyager so it will stay on without sled power. Lots of info in the forums.

[@WRCWRX]

Ski Doo blowing belts you say? I don't believe you lol.

[@509FUN]

About time you got a trail tech. We’ll see if you can figure it out lol there’s a lot of people that are unable to figure out how to use it and hate it. It’s amazing though if you know how to use it

[@Bearcats737]

Winder if the 146s are geared too deep, it doesnt pull anymore track speed than a 165. That might be putting some strain on the belt and pulleys, could be venting iasues too. I always carried a full set of tools, bearings, belts, wheels, ski rubbers, everything lol.

[@sawyerschmunk6736]

Created some tomorrow problems for sure! Glad everyone made it out safe

[@nw6889]

Way to keep it together and be there for you team.

[@alotl1kevegas860]

I don't think there's anything wrong with the Skidoo sleds. A belt is made of rubber and nylon cord. It can only take so much power before they get destroyed. And with all these newer sleds having turbos, I think that's absolutely normal. The engine technology has improved, while belt technology remains the same. Besides, I would much rather take a shredded belt on a Skidoo, then a sheared off primary bolt in the crank, or a broken quick drive. Atleast your back up and riding in 5 minutes, rather then paying $1500 to have your Polaris get a helicopter ride out of the alpine. Which then you're still left with a broken machine, thousands of dollars in recovery and repair bills, and then that's probably the rest of the riding season out the window. Yeah, I'll take a $150-$200 blown belt any day of the week over sheared clutch bolts, ruined crankshafts, and grenading quick drives. I don't want it to seem like I'm bashing Polaris either. Their older machines are great. But they need to get the quirks worked out of these newer machines.

[@208SledHead]

D E L U S I O N A L. You're the typical Doo queen that I can't stand. You completely dismiss a very evident problem from YOUR brand, and then over exaggerate the issues of your competitors. You're a hypocrite, or a Democrat...possibly both. But there is nothing "normal" about burning a belt up inside 500 miles.

[@Hfamjam]

That gps buddy system is super cool.. it would be super cool if it flashed a different colour when the sled was off and or upside down could see if maybe a guy was in trouble ?

[@keenanstahl]

I hadn't considered the daily gear swap you have to deal with... I remember blowing a belt on the trail (way lower consequence). As I was coasting to a stop it occurred to me that my spare was in my other sled. Such a sinking feeling! I went to the bar while my buddy rode to the dealer. It did support my theory that most problems can be solved with beer and a credit card.

[@stephanvallee5167]

You should try the ski DS 3 or DS4 on the Lynx you will see the difference .

[@collunellis5563]

That’s awesome! I installed the Garmin Tread on my Lynx the same way!

[@Outdoors-and-Sports]

For a second I thought your channel said “Minnesota Freerider”. 😂

[@riotsdelirium8021]

Fucking love seeing Jerry on the sled !!!!

[@dtracy03ss]

That sucks about the Bulkhead on his Sled, looks pretty nasty, we were riding power lines in the UP in Michigan and one of our guys hit the upside coming down from roughly a 8 to 10 ft Jump hard in to the upward ramp on the Next jump, hard enough to bend the Cat Bulkhead into Totaled Sled, it actually cracked the Engine block at the Mounting on the Bulkhead and that ended that Sleds Life with 200 Miles on the ODO, hope your buddy comes out of it better than that. He also had a Trip to the Hospital afterward and Disc Surgery but all turned out OK. It was a scary deal especially because we all saw it happen right beside us in a big Cloud of Snow, Smoke and pieces of sled Flying apart. Even on the Trails with 140 inch suspension there's always the possibility of Terrain damage at 60 mph / 100 kph . Be safe guys!

[@etothenphysdude206]

The linx seems to be that combo of look how quickly he can turn around and look how quickly he has to turn around.

[@krekbobosson5288]

Wish I had that kind of snow.

[@buickbusiness]

I totaled my summit with the same damage, only worse. The sled wouldn’t even pull over because the clutch was pinched so tight. Had to remove a motor mount bolt to release pressure for it to spin, then the same grinding sound began 😂

[@JAKDRZR]

The lynx boys are going to be coming for ya. 😂

[@mikemills2396]

feels man. snapped the drive shaft on my 146 this weekend. out till mid-feb possibly.

[@michaelabbott6566]

No tools, no belt, good planning guys

[@Trad-Am]

It was only about 20 years ago, when the 141's were still a mountain track. All you younger riders don't know how good you've had it, skipping all the trail sleds, with just longer tracks.

[@aliksgardner64]

As a ski-doo pdi tech we wipe all the clutches down with brake clean because in shipping they coat the clutches in some sort of oil/substance too keep the clutches from corroding in the crates if we don’t wipe that off the sled eats belts like no tommorow

[@nicolasnicolas3048]

It's always good to do double check ,on everything ,riding without googles it makes you take the wrong lines🤷‍♂️ awesome video like always Matt ✌️stay safe

[@apikkaprojetki9730]

Video about suspension setup for deepsnow would be sick ❤

[@kevinkc3onohelijeepworld953]

When is the spend the night up in the hills vid for 2024 😉have you talked about it with the crew ?? Need to cook up sum prime rib n Mac & cheese this year ☺️

[@RAM-19]

Started off great...sucks it went to crap...feel bad for buddy and his sled...that's going to be a costly one... As always great vid Matt...enjoy a day off...you deserve it... From my very cold, snowy igloo on the mountain in grande cache alberta D. P.S...JERRY #1 DONT NEED A SPARE BELT...SKILL OVER BALLS...LOL...GO JERRY #1

[@pops71]

I think you will be so happy with your 858 Catalyst next year.

[@downbytheriver501]

I bet it feels more nimble because of the skis. Those big planks on the lynx and the deep keel makes for a more difficult ride I think. At least that’s what I’m coming to the conclusion of after 600 miles on my shredder ds 4100

[@williamutech4055]

Spare Belt, Tool Kit, Spare belt, Tool kit, spare belt, tool kit, spare belt, tool kit!!!! Just a little reminder for the guy who always seemed to be prepared on the mountain. Mistakes happen, we learn from them. So what happened to his goggles? Can't wait for the next video. Keep it up Matt!!!

[@starionslider2116]

I did the exact same thing hit a almost vertical wall on my old zr500. Was actually a spillway for a dam that i knew was there but lost track of it in a stormy ride day. Just looked like a rolling hill until i was flat on my back and i knew exactly what i did but i just couldn’t see it.

[@asphaltlou]

Love it!!! I can't get enough of these videos!!

[@Jedmack]

Who else felt in there heart when Derek radioed for help at the end

[@dannyauger7223]

Looked like you dumped a big ol deuce in your shorts after buddy called for help hahaha. But glad all was good for him. A damaged sled is better then a damaged person.

[@chillywilly521]

Matt the look on your face was scary. Also, I know you guys know that area like the back of your hand, but I would be so scared to be out there in the dark. I guess it's no different then me being out on my home lake and I know every nook and cranny. Stay safe our there fellas and glad your buddy is ok and it's just his sled.

[@ryryk6977]

You can even tell in the video the free ride was lighter and seemed faster

[@MrWookie1981]

Puking snow here in Muskoka. 2 to 3 feet in the last 48 hours. We can almost pretend to be out there with you doing pop turns.

[@rykercarlson2131]

That skidoo feels more nimble cause the lynx is quite a bit heavier and wider. Skidoo FTW

[@cheeseymccheese7249]

This is complacency at its finest. Never send a guy alone. Ive wrecked my front end and said ill limp down while you guys finish the day, I went 15 feet off trail due to a missing arm and having to sidehill all the way out, got stuck and then watch 6 guys ride by me leaving me on the mountain. I got out and kept limping meanwhile they got to the truck and then 2 had to ride 20 kms back up the trail. My example isnt the exact same but any kind of distance riding you should have a buddy go with you especially at the end of the day. Ive gone solo riding and i get all the what ifs and what nots. Ive hit walls wearing all sorts of goggles in low light conditions ect.

[@MrWookie1981]

Sounds like you didn't have a radio or tracking. Complacency comes in all forms.

[@jeffreyd513]

Sell the lynx. Things a 3 bottom plow

[@jerrydelyea5820]

You tell him Jerry hahaha. I’m an old sledder and…..I’m Jerry too 😂😂👍🇨🇦✌️🔥

[@davidheath983]

Blown belts are a thing of these new skidoo. My 1999 mach 1 700 could age the belt out before it ever blew. Wide open everywhere and clutches never got warmer then your hand. Not sure where the skidoo engineers lost the value in reliable clutching.

[@alotl1kevegas860]

Ive been wondering why no one made a kit to swap the 7S display over to a Skidoo. Trailtech for the win. That sucks about the sled. I wonder if it's going to be repairable?

[@teachdougie8139]

It’s those giant pontoons they are using for skis on the Lynx. A lot of guys are shaving them down or swapping for a DS3.

[@MuskokaFreerider]

I was going to toss my ds4 on for a day to test

[@bigchaloopa]

Matt, TT GPS, instead of accessory plug, you hot wire off the battery and add a switch. Then you control off and on, not your sled.

[@NiclasHorn]

i for sure know that it looks easier than it is. but still, the "deep" snow i so far experienced (not deep compared to what these boy´s ride in) with my new Lynx is that its easier to ride with a nice flow, just like i was riding my Yamaha R6, sitting down or standing upp. but as soon i get snow that is hard, with a ice lid or really packed snow is SO much harder to ride than powerlike snow we see in these video´s. that is the most easy snow condition to ride in. but i dont ride up a F-ing mountain or in the thick woods. that adds a lot to the difficulty level. and i am jealous AF now. cuz in Dec and Jan we had super good winter condition for a good sled winter. but 3rd week of the year it started to rain and thaw and that fucked it up. it has been snowing a few days adding up more Centimeter´s but the day after thaw or rain every F-ing time... last night i snowed "man cover" lid like snowflakes i was so happy today it rained for 10 hours and temp was +1.1 C...

[@jeffmorse5599]

put a 12v plug on the end of a doo wire and plug it into the truck to charge the gps. all these manufacturers for safety need to be sharing location. Garmin, Polaris and Doo.

[@johnclarke8180]

Buddy check for frost bite!

[@trx450rlove2]

Sick video!seems like the lynx is more for them huge hit an drops even know they say the freeride is for that!

[@bigpoppa05]

Can you do a review and setup of the trail tech

[@NiclasHorn]

i am pretty sure the belts are not broken in properly then you pick up your new snowmobile. and that´s why you kill them. considering how much you constantly rev the engines and how damn heavy it is then for the track gripping all that snow. it is not so strange that they wear out and go crazy too hot.

[@Noob_Crew_Sledders]

21:20 oh boy thats not a noise you want to ever hear

[@mrboi9647]

One time me, my uncle and my dad were out in Alaska sledding and 2 of the 3 sleds ran out of gas

[@Levi-ib5ql]

I was getting 300 km on my m1100 turbo I switched to dayco belts tripled my belt life and half the price of a factory belt

[@sicamousshuswap]

Great video, and way to keep the situation calm and collected! Do you have a parts list of what you did for the trail tech. I am on a 2022 summit xpert, I like the set-up you made.

[@Trad-Am]

Ski doo blowing belts, Polaris Matryx grenading clutches, man, I'm either gonna keep the axys a bit longer, or maybe go back to Cat, since they have a good chassis again.

[@MrWookie1981]

I have also kept me Axys. I do not need the boost, do not need the poor quality and definitely do need to pay $27k for a sled.

[@CraigVanSickleAK]

Crazy! That's rough but I'm glad everyone is OK. Curious to hear how the overall function is and screen brightness is on that GPS?

[@208SledHead]

You're a good man Matt.

[@fnatomagan]

You need some better clutching, Sledhead Racing can help you out. He knows his Doos.

[@stevebrown4967]

Dang...rough ride at the end in the cold

[@JoeyMT07]

You were cooking on the way to dude !

[@billsmith8629]

Can you give some insite on how you like your suspension setup on the doos? Limiter, shocks and track shocks?

[@allanstriber5272]

Thought those skidoos where so good

[@themoos8]

23:30 they make every thing CHEAP AF NOW AND UR ALWAYS WIDE OPEN

[@jeremyjensen2986]

I would bet skidoo makes their screen changes for 2025 to see buddies and a gps on it

[@JKWoods418]

So how are the trailtech GPS holding up in the snow and cold?

[@Roesy_850]

I got 2500 kms on my belt till it blew but I properly broke it in and this other time I didn't make 200 kms till i blew one not every belt built is the same some hidden failure

[@davidhallquist7220]

That Trail Tech sounds like a good replacement for my 2015 skidoo 800 174 Gauge cluster that went out a few years ago because then I won't have to get a new tether key unless someone nows a legit replacement rout that doesn't cost an arm and a leg ?

[@_CONNORCRANE_]

Good morning!

[@Roesy_850]

Looks like Derek is having the same issue I am having with those 509 goggles if he bought those last season and stored them over the summer like I did I think something happens to them cause mine didn't last 2 weeks and charged them for a whole day and still won't turn on.

[@Alberta-sledder]

Trail tec is sick

[@mackenu1139]

Makes me want to come up and ride ....

[@charlesmcdonald5465]

Yeah man, it’s all good till it isn’t lol. Sucks carrying so much shit and a heavy pack sucks too but then one day you need it. Be safe out there!!

[@roofall247]

No cool down time just full pin lol

[@rosskeene1913]

I bet you felt it being more nimble you were mainly noticing the weight. Its only 9 lbs according to the spec sheet vut all that weight is dispersed out because its 46mm shocks

[@09peterky]

Thats pretty neat neat device

[@NiclasHorn]

Man that suck´s first not see it, and crash, but also totaling the sled like that. looks fairly new also, what year is that broken bulkheads sled?

[@jessejames4976]

I need an rip like that

[@warpillow8775]

Lynx definitely sounds like it's over reving??? Not sure what the turbos run at?

[@dangriesemer3710]

Where the hell is Dawson? He carries enough tools he could've rebuilt that sled better than new! Probably has a skidoo belt in his backpack too😅.

[@armandsalvini7790]

What communicators do you use? Do you like them, any suggestions? We ride trail. I see nothing under "gear" on your website.

[@jdsstegman]

I know we have spoke a little bit here and there. I watch every day. So i ride a 2023 and 2024 skidoo summit 146 n/a in the flat lands. I ditch bang. Yes its tippy in the ditch. Just the way i like it. So, today you went from the linx to the freeride. You said it felt more nimble. I always thought the lynx suspension would be more suited to what i do. My question is, do you think the handing is because the lack of t motion on the lynx?...... When i first got mine i set the belt as per skidoo. And i rode it for like 300 miles. Then i tighten the belt as tight as i could get it and it is not 30 degrees cooler all day long. I went back to the stock hight and the temps went up.

[@MrWookie1981]

Two other youtubers that had Lynx last year sold them and went back to their previous rides. They both said it is too heavy and not as playful. The one guy is 140lb soaking wet and said it was just too much for him and sucked being tired wrestling with the sled by lunch time. The other guy was big but still said it just isn't fun.

[@jdsstegman]

@MrWookie1981 weird. I know nothing other than riding the summit 146. Since 2017 I have bought a new one every year. I guess I will just stick to what I know. But I do know that the stock clutching needs work. I have replaced every stock setup with a DJ kit and it's a huge improvement. That and running the belt as tight as I can get it. Yes I'm on the flats but all I do is wheelie. And seeing 30 degrees drop in belt temp surprised the crap out of me. But basically, if loose you start out in a different gear ratio every time.

[@kollak01]

every time we depart form somewhere after stopping i yell POCKET CHECK to remind everyone to check their pockets/bags are attached and closed. also what brand headlight do you guys use on your helmets?

[@jaredlange]

guys... bring an infrared gun. Get into the data of this instead of expecting belts to be invincible lol you have to let them breathe. Nothing is breathing when your bars deep. Design concepts, can not match reality of conditions when conditions are far past extreme. When engines cant breathe, they bog, when clutching is hot, they bog, when belts get held wide open for more than 5 10 min at a time. They will blow, no matter what. So when i can put on thousands of miles on a belt, pinned plenty, and not blow one. I attest this to letting them cool off once the adrenaline is exceeding belt temperatures lol even without the hood covered in snow. The conditions under this hood are almost unfathomable in the lab.... you cant re-create this for testing in house lol aside from venting, taking breaks, and designing a new belt there isn't much you can do. Ski Don't doesn't need help looking bad... just like any other manufacturer or business. They literally have the best clutching in the game... I'm a die hard cat guy, been watching your vids for years and I'm also a mechanic for many moons now. You really gotta take some responsibility for what you put these thru and get the data. Get belt temp checks thru out the day, oh and actually try breaking a belt in for once lol before you put it into your bag when you have time to get it up to temp and cool it off two or three times. It doesn't take that long and i know you'll get more from your belts. keep up the hard work and killing the snow this year.. along with parts as usaul. if youre not breaking shit or falling off.. are you really having any fun ? lol especially if you want to know the difference between light heat and high heat. Belt break in, trail ride it at like 25 to 50mph ranging in speeds and not to cruise too consistently. Small stretches at a certain RPM is fine, just very the RPM for 15 min. Pull the side panel and get a belt temp reading to see what it runs with nothing blocking the vents and under low load conditions. Then go thrash a creek for 15 min solid, pull the panel and check the belt temps.. this testing and tuning is exhausting and laboring but when you want to actually fix an issue. this is how you start. How many sleds do you have now matt?

[@crodles]

okay, i understand the base is in the description, but which pakout bag do u use? like what size is it? does it have a model name?

[@MuskokaFreerider]

Use whatever one you like!

[@rods907]

I think it’s an heat issue. Heat is a killer on a belt.

[@backcountryshitok]

Is it possible that the 46 is moving slower through the snow increasing belt/ clutch temps. 200 miles is about normal for me.

[@208SledHead]

200 miles to a belt is "normal" for you!!?? O_o

[@Trad-Am]

So hard to see in that flat light

[@actionjack84]

would could've should've. this is not a criticism of you guys but just a thought he could've taken your goggles while you were waiting since you didn't have gas. Also, do you only have one pair of goggles with you? Sucks about his sled. Glad everybody made it out relatively unscathed. I think I have a spare goggles in my Avy vest. I'm certainly gonna go check that they're there. How did the trail tech GPS work? Seems like you guys didn't use it to locate each other.