HOA Ruins Christmas, $4,000 FINE!

HOA Ruins Christmas, $4,000 FINE!
The HOA is trying to ruin Christmas, We received a disturbing warning from them that we are being fined up to $4,000 due to having our Christmas Lights on prior to December 1st, this doesn’t make any sense as we have deck lights that have been on all year. I’m looking forward to their response based on our non-compliance. Also, you’ll be surprised who else is shutting down activities in the neighborhood and issuing fines. The HOA Is about to lose a huge court battle if they don’t stop!
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[@OutdoorswithErik]

Now They Fine us for this - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIfCgIydfrGgpZo

[@Objective-Observer]

Ok, NOW you have something to take to the Cops: They asked for you to contact them to make arrangements TO PAY. Up to this point, they've only sent you warnings and notices of fines with no information on how to pay them. Those were empty threats. NOW, they have crossed the line to Scam, because they want conversations on how to pay. Get this one in front of the cops, and if you have one, put it in front of your lawyer.

[@tomgreywolf507]

Seriously man, why are you still entertaining this HOA bullshit?

[@lestergillis8171]

IF that property was in any kind of HOA zone, you would most likely be made to pay regular HOA membership fees right from the get-go. No membership fees... Likey no connection to any HOA. Membership fees attached to that place WOULD indicate some kind of "pre-existing contractual relationship". Let them try to collect the fines. You will find out who is doing what.

[@lestergillis8171]

If you can't send e-mails to that address, they are screwing with you. Let them collect. SOMEONE will have to show up in court.

[@bombtubejamz739]

So many violations them fake hoa scammers are doing. You could sue them and the town and the ones sending them threats of papers thats a class x felony of illinois

[@Dozz70]

Eric.....I am a Real Estate Appraiser for 34 years and I can tell you that I have never seen an HOA community with that large of tracts ever. In addition....you would have had to of signed HOA documents in you closing documents and this would have been clear by the closing representative (Title Company, etc.) at that time. Furthermore, your Realtor that you purchased through would have had to explain that the property in encumbered as part of an HOA. If you still have a copy of the Listing it would need to be disclosed in that as well. It all sounds very bogus to me and I would get an attorney and/or the local Sheriff involved and if it is bogus....what they are doing is criminal activity which can be prosecuted. Some people are just rotten to the core and they need to be handled accordingly. Best of luck!

[@garystevens1044]

I've seen PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD A MINIMUM OF 5 ACRE LOTS

[@buzzworth2396]

This HOA sounds like bullshite!!!!! There's a neighbor somewhere messing with you. I'd look up the address for the business and I'd be filing some serious complaints on every last one involved. Then there are people who enjoy handling these kinds of idiots their own way,if you know what I mean!! Sometimes you just can't get the law to do what they took an oath to do. That's when things get done with with a certain care that gets the point made & the trouble goes away for good.

[@rogerandjoan4329]

I don’t think you’re part of an HOA. You can’t, however, do whatever you want with your property regardless of HOA status.

[@SuzetteKath]

Some have faked the signature of the homeowner.

[@oomcgrathoo]

​@@rogerandjoan4329 what do you mean you CANT do whatever you want when you want on your own property? THATS EXACTLY WHY YOU BUY YOUR OWN PROPERTY! TO DO WHAT TF YOU WANT TO!

[@edwardjackson843]

I may not be an expert in HOA's, but i have NEVER heard of an HOA on acreage properties. I call BS on this whole thing.

[@benicio1967]

I haven’t either.

[@milesgentry850]

Yeah I've never heard of it either😲

[@timothygunckel7162]

And they don't give a way of contacting them. Somebody doesn't like you. Do your neighbors get hit with notices?

[@brendapool9530]

I have to agree...If your property is part of an HOA? You would be aware of it.

[@Survival4theFamily]

I have an HOA on acreage property. It is to maintain the roads only.

[@billholt2146]

Erik get a real estate lawyer and sue the HOA (or whoever) for $100,000.00 for harassment plus lawyer and court fees.

[@johnfromnj885]

From what I understand, there is no HOA. He never signed onto one, and never paid into one. Do I have that wrong?

[@billholt2146]

@@johnfromnj885 that’s right be can run down the ones who have been sending the e-mails. Maybe get some satisfaction and relief.

[@OutdoorswithErik]

You are spot on

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Can't stand HOA

[@JediJan]

It does not look like a professional HOA letter by any means. Should ring the real HOA and check in with them, after telling them he has no arrangement with them. The HOA would probably like to know that some is fraudulently claiming to be them.

[@debrakennedy7671]

If there are no HOA meetings, no HOA fees, there isn't any HOA.

[@friedrich1957]

I have heard of people starting an HOA once they moved in. If you didn't agree to anything or sign any paperwork agreeing to join, they have no authority over you.

[@Chu6um]

You should have received an HOA package when you bought the property, as usually required by state real estate governance. If there is no mention of the property being a part of an HOA, then either the realtor falsified the documents upon the sale, or someone's just harassing you with bogus HOA "violations".

[@keving2371]

This guy just makes content up for clicks

[@TonyCampCamppartyof4]

And HOA dues

[@NoChairs4]

im thinking hes part of a long running prank.

[@graciemaca6996]

@ John Kimber- Exactly my thoughts even before I read any of the comments.

[@graciemaca6996]

@@NoChairs4 This could be true, likewise.

[@johnathanlewis2049]

Erik my friend all I can say is what’s happening is harassment pure and simple. Go after them legally. Make their lives a living hell

[@OutdoorswithErik]

It's interesting John, trying to find these folks is the challenge

[@boomerang379]

@@OutdoorswithErik get law enforcement and an attorney involved. Whoever they are, they are facing fraud and extortion charges. If you have no contract with an HOA then you have not obligated yourself to their bylaws. Sounds like a nosey busy body neighbor with nothing better to do.

[@peggynorton5535]

If you get an email, the VPN should be able to be located. File a complaint and get a PI tech person to locate where the email originated from.

[@Microx3]

@@peggynorton5535 My question would be, how did this "Margaret" get Erik's email in the first place?

[@johnathanlewis2049]

@Cyndi LooHoo - He’s in Wisconsin

[@lorihaun9956]

That notice is not valid without a date, full name of contact person and information, address and phone number. If you can find out who's in charge, file a restraining order against them.

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Working on it!

[@1Crochette1]

LAWYER UP AND FIGHT THE CITY. IT'S PROBABLY SOMEONE ON THE BOARD.

[@IslandRainmaker]

@@OutdoorswithErik Make ''Margaret'' produce the HOA agreement she stated that you signed!

[@BlackoutPatriot]

@@OutdoorswithErik I happen to come across your video. Please keep us updated

[@OutdoorswithErik]

@@BlackoutPatriot more to come this weekend appreciate your support

[@chillywilly9573]

Erik sorry to hear you are going through this. I own 80 acres and a HOA development was built about 5 miles from me and they sent me a letter stating that I needed to trim a hedge row of bushes because when their HOA homeowners drove by they did not like the way it looks and they were going to fine and sue me if I didn't. make a Long story short it ended up in court and the judge asked the HOA to show documents that my property was part of the hoa, of course no, judge asked me how I wanted to handle it and I asked judge to tell HOA members if they didn't like what they are looking at to close their eyes while driving by my property, after a great laugh from the judge and he ordered them pay all my legal costs and to have no further contact with me! So far so good😀 good luck

[@lulabellegnostic8402]

Hire a private investigator to find out who is behind this. Then print a business card with their contact details, advertising ‘adult’ services ( you can get real creative here), and put them in gas stations etc. The perpetrator will find out pretty damn quick what harassment is. The only way to stop is by changing their phone number.

[@charlesyoung7436]

Forget paying money for a private investigator. Call the cops or the local sheriff's department to report this harassment.

[@armedinbama]

Step one: Have an attorney go over your property records and find an exemption to the alleged HOA covenant. Solve that issue once and for all. Step 2: Once protected from the HOA, paint barn pink with purple polka-dots. Step 3: File a police report for harassing communications.

[@robroy5959]

Aye, review your real estate documents on your property purchase, specifically the Property Title Search, which is supposed to report any encumbrances against the property, like HOA dues, liens, etc.. Best of luck with your neighbors. Also, double check that escrow does not include any HOA dues.

[@susancreed8430]

nO NOT PINK AND PURPLE YELLOW AND ORANGE 🤣🤣

[@karenleavitt8212]

If you have not gotten any actual bill from the HOA with an address, or a notice of Leon on your property, you do not have an HIA. Get an attorney and sue this woman. Ask your neighbors if they know anything about a HOA.

[@jupitersworld244]

@owenmcdonald6479Morgret needs an Ativan and a 9-5 job. Ain’t no way this woman is complaining about everything and anything! Why is she sending these letters by E-mail? You should be able to whatever you want with in reason on your own property. The issue is people cannot mind their business! Minding your business allows you to keep your teeth and keeps you from unnecessary dental visits!

[@patriot9455]

GREAT, they ( whoever "they "is) must present a document with your signature that says you signed up for the HOA. Since they are fining you based their CCR's, they will need to bring a copy of the CCR's dated the day you bought the property, not dated any day past that. This document must be an original, not a photocopy, and your signature must be obviously original. There are ways to determine the difference between a handwritten original and a photo or other copy. Failure to do that, and a few other details, will put them in a bad light in the eyes of the court. AS TO THE TOWN COUNCIL ... when and how are they elected. beat them at the polls, as in, find more people who have been harmed or damaged by the town council and run to replace them.

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Amen, they need to go, so much BS about change they don't like.

[@lorilozano1884]

I believe there are lawyers that specialize in HOAs. The attorney can verify that the HOA is bogus, and send a Cease and Desist letter to stop the harassment. If that person can't be found, I believe you can put the letter in the classifieds in your local newspaper (hardcopy and electronic). I agree with you that this harassment needs to stop. But this individual may escalate and do damage to your person and property. I suggest that you not do anything further in response to these people and do some research and let an attorney work on this. I know you shouldn't have to do anything, but this situation is getting worse not better.

[@johnholmes5273]

Please keep us updated, with a video, in your efforts to locate the HOA. I'd love to see them fall flat on their damn faces, cause HOA'S suck the big one, or if somehow you are screwed.

[@davidforslund2640]

Excellent remarks 👏

[@Reed-2big]

@@lorilozano1884unfortunately, most of the lawyers that specialize in HOA law represent HOAs. Your title company should be able to tell you if you are in an HOA or the county records should reflect what they claim. Also, I believe the ccr has to be recorded when an HOA is created.

[@MsBamafanatic]

I have never heard of an HOA out in the country.

[@er70ca72]

Why is HOA even involved in large properties? Ask her to send the original paper you signed to belong to an HOA. Bet you don't receive anything. Do it thru an attorney and give her a few days to respond

[@Tomgmach1]

Sounds like a group of neighbors want you out so they can have a close friend buy your property. If you haven’t signed a HOA agreement at time of settlement then I wouldn’t think you have one. Take Margaret to court and sue her for harassment. You could also call the title company that preformed the settlement and ask them what’s up with this HOA bull crap.The title company should be able to produce any if any HOA paperwork. One more thought comes to mind , if you can call the realtor and see the listing on your house has an HOA listed.

[@walt436]

My fathers neighborhood has a similar issue. A "secret" HOA that doesn't actually exist. Funny thing is the complainers always trespass onto his property to use the basketball court, which he's yelled at them before. With your HOA's unprofessionalism, I don't see any legal documents that would actually hold up in court.

[@jamesmcdonald7124]

Dude you are not in a HOA it's a freaking scam dude do not pay those wackos a freaking cent Stop complying with them

[@LETSGOBRANDONFJB]

Ditto

[@jamesmcdonald7124]

@@LETSGOBRANDONFJB what kinda response is that??? Are you the wacko messing with my buddy Erik???

[@johnfromnj885]

What @jamesmcdonald said. STOP COMPLYING!

[@jamesmcdonald7124]

@@johnfromnj885 I told Erik to stop complying to those fake HOA asswipes it's a freaking scam

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Not paying them crap

[@mikekhinkle]

I'M THINKING THAT MARGARET IS REALLY YOUR WIFE AND ALL OF THE FIXES AND CLEAN UPS ARE YOUR HONEY DO LISTS!!! 😄😄😄

[@vickigonya9432]

😂😂

[@volknoss]

THEY HAVE A DUTY TO PROVE A CONTRACT WITH YOUR SIGNATURE.

[@heartslessons6243]

Well you can tell the people who are trespassing on your property and sending HOA notes to you are watching your channel. So they know what you're going to do ahead of time. And tell the damn neighbor to clean his own property, and your property is none of his business.

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Understand there, my property is 10 times cleaner than many others!

[@bombtubejamz739]

If they are watching they getting watched to by the fbi they work in these cases too

[@duanevensland2577]

What a bunch of hogwash !!! Stick in there Erik , the Lord will deal with them !!! No Federal Agency deals this way , take Them to court !!! I know there might be a cost , make them pay that too !!! I really don,'t think this is the HOA !!!

[@thechaplain9906]

Erik, you’d better make sure this HOA hasn’t filed Liens against your house and property with the Clerk & Recorders Office in your County and/or Township.

[@bozzaa]

Wouldn't he have to get a letter about that from the Register if Deeds?

[@thmsvrgs]

@@bozzaa nope

[@thechaplain9906]

I’ve owned homes in Washington, Colorado, California, and Arizona. In those states the Clerk & Recorders Office isn’t required to send out notice of a lien. Unfortunately the person who has received a lien only finds out about it when they go to sell their property, or purchase another. Then you have to disprove the lien, then file a counterclaim in court. It’s really sad what these “neighbors” have done to Erik. Sadly as they say “Good fences make good neighbors”…

[@lutherhaynes8422]

That correct he would not get a letter, he would.need to contact the assessors office to.check or.the county recorders office

[@johnclark6571]

Liens are public record. Check the court house records. Any HOA agreement is too. And what HOA? Every piece of correspondence will have the HOA name and location. Like Acme Acres Homeowners Assoc. or something. And the signed HOA agreement would be recorded with ones deed. Sorry, I'm calling BS on this whole thing

[@Nakeddog2007]

It’s amazing how the HOA makes you feel like you don’t even own your own property.

[@ericgardner5548]

There's no HOA

[@ThiKu]

You basically don’t in an HOA or strata. Ya you own but have limits to what you can do. But even if not in an HOA you still can’t just run businesses etc on private residential property within boundaries of a town or city without permits.

[@gwolf7716]

First off, make them make their complaint to you in writing and when they simply put the letter in your mailbox they have violated the federal “Mailbox Restrictions” law, which comes with a $5000 fine for individuals or $10,000 for organizations (per offense). Next, document and report the violation(s) to your Post Master and you may even qualify for the whistleblower reward of 10 - 30% of the fine.

[@LaNguyenBTong]

Now, this is the kind of reality show that I love to watch. No script but still dramatic. Has quality but still free.

[@uhhello173]

Dude is a genius. This is all bogus and he's playing everyone :) Well done.

[@keving2371]

bingo

[@keith4154]

I don’t live in America WTF is HOA how could some organisation wield this type of power abuse? You seem right ,a bit of shits and giggles.

[@Growmap]

@@keith4154 I can't say whether this one is real or not. But HOAs are definitely real here and insanely invasive. HOA = Homeowners Association. They can control EVERYTHING -- even what color you paint the INTERIOR of your house. Only control freaks should even consider living where there is an HOA. Anyone else should avoid them like the plague!

[@SkyCharter]

Yes... everyone... including YT viewers.

[@psychedelicpsycho]

@@keith4154 HOA is “home owner association” and is a real thing here in the United States. It’s communities that live in different developments usually higher class and they have to maintain different “rules” in their housing community.

[@davidsellars646]

Eric, I am absolutely new to this channel so I am somewhat shooting in the dark here. What I would do is to go to the County Recorder's Office and pull up every action that has been recorded on your property for say ten to twenty years. Is there anything anywhere that refers to an HOA? I'm inclined to say that if you find nothing, it's a scam. If there was an HOA, it should be referenced in the Title Report.

[@JohnP538]

......and if it's not a real HOA this fraud and that IS something law can address.

[@262fallguy]

Pretty sure this dude is behind his own hoa scam.... for clout

[@JohnP538]

@@262fallguy Possible, but it's more entertaining than watching the news.

[@Reed-2big]

@@JohnP538oh the filming of the search through the records could be an interesting video!

[@geraldpowell4403]

I would ask for the so called Hoa Paperwork you signed with your signature as well as a copy of the handbook they keep quoting from. Have them send this and future correspondence by regular mail. I would also investigate their email addresses to see if they are actually local, anyone could pretend to be an HOA. They could be using a drone to check out your property. I find it VERY hard to believe an HOA would be even involved for a property like yours. They are usually in a gated community type atmosphere.

[@connielahman5725]

Ur such a good human.I’m so sorry that they are doing this to you.I’m sure feel blessed not to be associated with an HOA with my home.

[@paulmonin5215]

These HOA officials need to get a life and a judge.

[@spookdsq]

Do you feel that woman with that red Flannel shirt is behind all that nonsense? Honestly I'd just ignore the harassment and print out and take copies of those emails to your Police Department in person and see what they think about it.

[@johnfromnj885]

Not the police, they're useless. Take it to a lawyer. Ask them for the articles of incorporation of the HOA, that should be good.

[@OutdoorswithErik]

I highly doubt it

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Well stated

[@berylancel528]

How Foolish...you are going along with some HOA that you are not part of? Why?

[@kevinhavens5279]

I would tell that HAO to take u to court their harassment alone is grounds for dismissal

[@OutdoorswithErik]

I like this stance, it's nonsense

[@TheSadie58]

There is no HOA right? If not, they can't take him to court.

[@Marilyn195]

That idea of checking their IP address is a good one,you’ll be able to pinpoint who it is from that

[@OutdoorswithErik]

It's Yahoo domaiin

[@maureenkonieczny9330]

SO TRUE...Always consider the source!

[@rons3103]

Landscape lighting versus Christmas lights! Sure looks like landscape lighting to me!

[@JB-ol1ib]

I’m sorry for all this crap you go through . I have had my hoa experiences as well. Keep your head up…

[@shootingstar2446]

Tell HOA your painted bushes are an art project and you are entitled to freedom of expression.

[@OutdoorswithErik]

LOL, I love it

[@kridadkool1319]

This makes me wanna do Private investigations. It's cool to help out people like you figure this stuff out.

[@burlosborne3647]

the Declaration of Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions, also called the CC&R, and plat maps for the subdivision are recorded with the county recorder's office. This is a legal requirement to ensure the restrictions and contractual obligations that affect the property will bind future owners. In addition, most HOAs are incorporated as nonprofit corporations, and as such, they are required to register and make certain filings with the state's corporation division. You can explore both avenues to get the information you need. The federal government makes it a crime to use the mail or any wire communications technology, including the Internet, as part of a scheme to defraud. Because of the broad nature of these laws, mail fraud and wire fraud are commonly charged in a wide range of cases. As your KZbin seems to be the only why they know what you are doing, Read them the last part of the Post about Federal crime

[@OutdoorswithErik]

That is genius my friend

[@ericgardner5548]

^^^^^ all of this.

[@kennethcobb1572]

Regarding the weddings venue. We moved from an area that the local township was worse than HOA's. Unfortunately getting rid of elected officials is tough going

[@ConcernedCitizen5514]

I know that I am late to the game and you probably already addressed this. However, if you really are in an HOA or are otherwise subject to restrictive covenants, you might want to check with your county's recorder of deeds and see whether any documents relating to an HOA have ever been recorded for your property.

[@larryrichardson7595]

My neighbors know I’m a good guy, but you better fear me

[@WawakGuitar]

AI have heard of several property owners who found out they were not actually in the HOA and were able to counter sue the HOA for damages.

[@HamiltonvilleFarm]

A wedding venue would be awesome

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Heck yes, we would love to but Township doesn't want change, just want to sit on their hands.

[@ThomasWLalor]

Somebody on the Town Planning Board has a wedding venue business, or trying to build a dirt track (or a relative / in-law setting something up. up.)

[@kevinz763]

The neighbor with 70 acres there's not a damn thing the township can do about that because that's not a business he's just letting family and friends in....he's not collecting any money so therefore it's not a business....only way anyone could really say anything is if the owner had his property in a government set aside like a CRP program where the government pays them to to leave the land for wildlife

[@faydenereed4056]

You have to be notified and given time!

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Alleged complaints so they have a right to shut it down I'm assuming

[@pchristenhusz]

From the quick clip of the track, it could be because of proximity to a public road that is the problem

[@leerindal8980]

The easiest way to see if there is actually a “recorded” HOA that was recorded and attaches to your property is go to the title company where you closed the real estate purchase (or realtor that represented you in the purchase) and get an official/recorded HOA documents. If there is not legally filed HOA restrictions (usually recorded in most states ho have a “clerk and recorder), then there is no “binding HOA rules attached to your property.

[@polarbear2469]

Erik, HOAs don’t send informal emails asking for money for fines. All correspondence and documentation is sent through the post office mail. Another sketchy part is that you would be informed during closing that You have an HOA and would sign the appropriate documents for that. Also I’ve never heard of 20 acre or 70 acre lots having HOAs. That’s basically rural farm land, you can do what you want.. I Have and HOA but ours is pretty chill about things, they just want money for landscaping and snow removal

[@JW-el5cy]

As far as setting up a wedding venue, it might be easier to organize as a church group or even a church. I don't think the township can tell you what your church or church group can or can't do. 1st Amendment protected activity.

[@judyrudd5089]

Scam in a can for sure, you have no way to contact them, where do they expect you to pay! Any genuine authority would have sent notice by post with letter head and phone number. Take everything they have sent you to police and make an harassment complaint. Good luck. Love the painted trees.

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Painted Tree's are a Gem

[@pennycole4769]

I love the painted tree’s. How do you know they won’t come back in the spring?

[@judyrudd5089]

@@pennycole4769 When every greens go brown there is no coming back, they are well and truly dead bushes.

[@pennycole4769]

@@judyrudd5089 don’t tell Margaret that!

[@frankhiatt5295]

As much as I hate to suggest this, prepare a press release and get it to as many news outlets as you can. Let the public know how much you are being harassed. The Court of Public Opinion is a very potent weapon in this type of fight.

[@ralphgreenjr.2466]

This is just flat sad. I was a Township Trustee for 8 years and before that the President of the Zoning Board of Appeals. We had a book of Ordinances, but we viewed them as guide lines. The ZBA tried to work with the home owners to help them through the process so that they would be successful at what they wanted to achieve. Every thing from set backs, lot size, type of structures, accessory buildings, and septic systems. They are our friends and neighbors and we were elected to serve them!

[@derry11]

"I Hope Margaret likes this. She's an old hag" 🤣🤣

[@faapilot]

This guy is scamming all of us with these HOA allegations. These type of letters come from HOA attorney’s, not via email. This guy is using these videos for KZbin $$$. Prove me wrong.

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Prove you wrong? Read the emails

[@bobpowell5676]

You think? Lol. Margaret with no last name, address or phone number. I have to throw the B.S. flag on this one too.

[@chriscunnane5848]

There's better way to make money read the numbers he's not making money off this anyways.

[@OutdoorswithErik]

@@chriscunnane5848 agree, isn’t any money being made

[@markcleveland3790]

During Title signing the Title Company would have been required to provide you with the complete set of HOA documents so if you don't have any such documents, then you are probably not in an HOA. This whole thing could be a scam!!! If you know the name of the HOA, your attorney could get/sue for documents from the HOA to determine who all the players are that seem to be harassing you. Board members and Directors of the HOA may also be subject to being sued civilly for monetary damages if it is determined they have not been operating within the authorities provided in their governing documents. Be sure to save any emails, texts, or other communications from the HOA as this may help your attorney with their efforts on your behalf. Ask to have your phone number removed from their records and get a no contact order if necessary. Good luck!

[@theresatyrell7196]

You pay dues when you're in a HOA, are you paying dues, if not you are not in one.

[@valeaton4538]

An HOA would have a letterhead and it wouldn't be sent snail mail not by email. Someone is screwing with you. I'd talk to an attorney. This is getting worse and worse. I'd want to see the bylaws. An attorney would be able to investigate and trace back and find out who the email is from . Then you could go after them for harassment. They'd be the one owing you money or they could go to jail. What are they going to do when the heavy equipment comes.

[@AzEagle1]

And they would send it certified mail showing you received the letter

[@OutdoorswithErik]

No idea what they will do

[@OutdoorswithErik]

HOA?

[@BillyBOB-sm3rl]

I was wondering if you were even in an HOA. IF I had that much land, I damn sure wouldn't be a part of an HOA.

[@rotten_joey]

If I were you, I'd paint a huge picture of Rob Zombie on the side of the barn.

[@anarchyxf36]

As far as i can tell being a homeowner myself is that the reason your neighbor is getting fined and cruicified for the track by the township is due to violations of local building and zoning laws. Not shure what the zoning laws are for the township you live in as it wouldn't be too bad of an idea to research them yourself so you know what they are (near bitter lesson learned myself in not doing that), but i'm betting he never got the proper permits in order to clear and break ground to build it. Which in a way is understandable (total BS but understandable) considering that the track being that close to the road could pose a potential safety risk to motorists and the general public that use that road, not to mention there could be potential underground utilities in addition to posing potential environmental risks that it could interefere with or potentially cause. As far as margerette and the fake HOA goes, if you can't find any legal legit documentation or information about any HOA on record anywhere i'd say screw the back and fourth and to just get a decent attorney to review and potentially persue legal action against Karen and her false claims. In the interum record EVERYTHING like you have been and present it to your attorney as the more documented evidence you have the better. Bottom line from what i can tell is that Margerette (Karen) and her fake HOA is nothing more then a hoax, scam, and a fraud to scare you out of the neighborhood and/or to scare and force you into making your property look the way karen wants it to and/or to potentially rob you of money through the use of fake fines and penalties.

[@xyz987123abc]

Filing for a building permit also alerts the tax assessor to pay a visit. Most likely track is considered an improvement, that is not temporary in nature.

[@KennethLongcrier]

You just need to respond to Margaret asking for a copy of the bylaws with your signature and ignore the fool!

[@OutdoorswithErik]

We are responding alright

[@KennethLongcrier]

@@OutdoorswithErik Got to wonder if all these HOA messages are nothing more than a distraction to keep you busy while they trespass on your property 😕

[@KennethLongcrier]

@@OutdoorswithErik Don't know what email you use, but if you post the SMTP Headers, I'm sure someone watching can figure out what internet provider the fool is using😎

[@donttrickimtricky.8567]

@@OutdoorswithErik so is Margaret a 10 year in the comments just making you clean up your yard.

[@jerrygene5172]

Your remedy is simple. Ask questions, who is claiming they are authorized to administer private property without authority? Attach a fee schedule of 100K for every order they send notice for you to do something. Find out who Margaret is and send her personally a bill for filling her orders, ie clean up etc. Bill Margaret every thirty days and on the 90th day file summary judgement with court, add the court cost to you bill to Margaret. Administrative lien her personal property for the default on the payment of bill. Just saying...

[@MyronLane-n3c]

To solve the problem with the local government is to change the people in the local government. Get your friends and yourself to run and get control of your local government.

[@cellinischannel4766]

If Margaret thinks you have signed something about being in the HOA, make her produce her copy.

[@lindafoster8182]

There’s usually free legal representation for things like this. See if you can find them in your area. Ask them to send you a signed copy of the agreement you made with the HOA. If it’s just a paper in the middle of a stack and not initialed it’s not legit. A lawyer would help you with that

[@blackmacs1748]

My guess is that the developer that is building the subdivision is trying to drive you out via harassment. I'd check the city plat and see what they have planned for the area. You may see the city has plans for your property you don't even know know about.

[@emmacapps6526]

Great idea.

[@vanessarheadart9708]

Yep my friend had that, here in the UK. She had no idea there was planning permission put in to develope her horse fields into a housing estate. She was pissed.

[@stephenkorab6456]

Eric the township and the HOA are two distinctly different entities the township most likely can regulate land use, but you still need to investigate to see if the HOA actually exists. It does not sound real. Have you been able to contact an attorney or any entity within the county or state government for assistance? It might be a good idea to do so. Good luck!

[@OutdoorswithErik]

We are investigating some of it now, it's a pain dealing with yahoo

[@ocsob007]

it doesn't matter if the hoa exists, he would have had to voluntarily become a contractual signatory, and that never happened. no laches, case dismissed

[@izsmrt1]

Erik, you can determine who is sending the harassing emails. You can trace an IP address from an email, but these steps will vary depending on the email service you use. 1. Open the “options” menu in an email (this will usually be marked with three dots at the top or bottom of the email interface). 2. Click an option to open the “raw email” or to “view original.” 3. Locate the sender’s IP address within the raw email data. 4. Input all IP addresses from the raw data into an IP lookup tool.

[@anniebiondo8863]

Don’t forget to put green lights in the bushes for Christmas. Lol.

[@emeyers5984]

Nah, ignore the bored harassers. It’s obvious they watch this channel. They are tempting to extort money from you which is illegal. Just let them keep it up because they’re in the wrong, digging the hole deeper. They will mess up.

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Most Criminals do my friend

[@timtimtimmay4654]

You could also contact the attorney's office that handled your home sale, and bring them the original documents you were provided. They should have kept their own copies to compare, and ask them what they should do about old Margaret and the emails.

[@dianemason4215]

So you've spoken to neighbors about the phony HOA, right? I think I'd want to put cameras up, facing the road, and watch for those who slow down and take a long look at your place. I might put up a big sign that reads "Margaret, please come to the door" or something like that. And you know that there are ways to trace where an email comes from....I'm not tech savvy and can't tell you how....but in the crime shows on tv they do it all the time.

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Yea we need to move some cameras around for sure

[@ThomasGarrand]

Painting the bushes was brilliant and the Christmas lights excellent.

[@SpookyFow]

How do you not know if you're in a HOA or not? You have to go through all kinds of paperwork. I lived in an HOA and had to sign or initial like 50 lines.

[@dianaevans6725]

Plus pay an initial large sum and 2 months payment prior to moving in!!

[@ianbeadle6313]

Erik, have you signed any documents agreeing to be a member of the HOA, or agreeing to abide by the HOA rules? If you're not a member of the HOA and/or have agreed to their rules, I would think that they have no control over you or your property.

[@lindamulholland406]

It is a rotten shame when someone tells you what you can and cannot do on your own property . By the way , the paint and Xmas lights look great 👍😀👌😎✨😄 !

[@kimberlikinman3353]

Try and get it re-zoned. It's a scam. Government e- mail sites don't get closed down. I go to government officials at the local level, I'm sure they can fine where these e-mails are coming from. Good luck Erik and God bless.

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Township doesn't want to entertain it, we would pay money and they all say no, it's a lost cause with the current folks in place

[@kimberlikinman3353]

@@OutdoorswithErik vote them out if they're elected. You could run for their office. Prayers friend.

[@ChristianIndian]

You can also file a complaint with the FBI. Cyber bullying or attempted cyber extortion is a federal felony.

[@aliciamelendez5476]

To the man in this video: You should call the cops on the so-called HOA losers neighbors and have them arrested for harassment.

[@jerseyprepper]

The spray paint I love it but if there was no contract signed at closing or told to you before you bought the property then there is no contract or it’s null and void check your closing documents

[@jerseyprepper]

Aha then there claims are null and void hoa cannot set laws tell them to take you to court or better yet ask them for the signed contract then go file a no contact order cause you are being harassed keep on keeping on Erick 👍👍👍 oh and 🖕🏻margret

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Agree!

[@kevinellis3509]

I would never buy HOA property because I've always heard that they are the ones who sets the rules for the neighborhood.

[@krazykat4349]

Scam scam....hey try searching their ip address to see if you can find out where and who it's coming from..

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Amen! We have one

[@dianeadkins1281]

Take 'em to court with your paperwork and sue them for harassment

[@maineman152]

Rule #1,... NEVER JOIN ANY HOA,... EVER !

[@sparky6026]

Lol ! You are not in a HOA.

[@OutdoorswithErik]

Agreed

[@sparky6026]

@@OutdoorswithErik makes me wonder about the board of trustees. Not for the citizens but for themselves and will do anything to get citizens to bow down to them. Power hungry mongols. Of course, this is only speculation. One would have to investigate the board nembers.

[@dianelangford7810]

This is pretty darn terrifying. Have you consulted an attorney? I know it's going to cost you. . . but maybe a Go Fund me account could offset the costs. Good Luck, Erik.

[@philrose9570]

Lmao 🤣 Can you go to the real-estate office that you bought the property through and see if they have documents on the HoA?if there is nothing I wouldn't worry about it But I would bring it up to the police 🚔 and see if they can track it down for you I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't somebody on the town board playing games with you, but it's just a suggestion 😉 glad you liked my idea of painting the trees different colors and putting lights on them 😀

[@OutdoorswithErik]

We have nothing on record that we ever signed

[@Dreyden-]

The part on the phone where they said give us our money, I would have come unglued

[@marycleveland540]

If you aren't in an HOA, why are you complying with their demands? Make them prove you are un an HOA. They should have some kind of form you would have signed. If the cannot prove their position, threaten them with filing a harassment suit against "Margaret", or at least get a restraining order. Additionally, ask your neighbors if they are in this HOA or if they know if the previous owner was a member. Regardless, you didn't sign on so they have no case.

[@johncampbell5880]

While not as severe as your HOA, I’ve received letters about garbage cans, parking my Travel Trailer in the street while loading or unloading, etc…. I replied back when they address the house with the chicken wire fence (not allowed) and those who don’t maintain their yards (required under the HOA), I’ll pay attention to them.

[@jesustorralba2360]

I will never purchase a property that comes with a pain in the neck called HOA ever.

[@301BOYSWP]

You should contact her and try to set up a "time for payment" and tell her you only have cash. Then call the police. take the police officer with you and ask him talk to her about why she's trying to threaten people through letters until they give her money for an HOA they're not in.

[@rafeman3454]

If you were not presented or informed of an HOA during the time of purchase of the property, you are not obligated to the HOA. That is a law.

[@Holidaygal]

30 acres, Are you adjacent to an HOA and they are trying to make you comply with their rules?

[@joshmx28]

She’s going to take you to court. PERFECT because you never signed any papers to be in the HOA so let them waste their money and take the L

[@Rick-if5zb]

Someone is yanking your chain. All HOA's outside the city limits need to be outlawed.

[@donnieallgood4738]

Before charging a fine, the HOA committee must notify you of problems in writing, typically by mail, and give you time to fix the problems -- the time frames must be clearly stated in the notification. Aesthetics Homeowner covenants usually set a standard for how the exterior of your home looks.

[@marykelly1146]

Margaret must have a spy camera on your property. Who is the complainer.

[@mr-vet]

I live in a community of 25 homes, all 3-acre lots on three private roads. We have no clubhouse or common areas. Road maintenance, snow plowing (in winter months), insurance, and trash/recycling pickup are the only real expenses. The board members like to stick their noses in everyone else's business. Leave a few bags of mulch near the driveway for several days to re-mulch areas on either side of the driveway they send passive-aggressive emails asking what you plan on doing with the bags of mulch. Or ask where your request is for cutting down trees when you are only cutting down dead timbers and cutting up fallen ones. Annoying....

[@EspenStabforsmo]

'Margareth'..? Is that a pseudonym for 'Karen'?

[@Tachy320]

I even got a letter for lights on my trees after Christmas that weren’t turned on. I left them up to turn them back on in March in memory of my son who passed away. Lights stayed up. I’m going to use that spray paint technique. Very nice.

[@alowatsakima8950]

Good for you. After I moved in to my house, I asked the board if I could build a carport on the side of my house. During the previous 20 years in the subdivision, they permitted many outbuildings and carports that ignored the restriction for the subdivision. The most recent organization president lived in the subdivision for a year prior to becoming president. The lot restrictions said the house had to be 20s" from the side of the lot, but your eave was not part of the set back. So, I had a friend that taught architecture at the state university. I asked him, how large could an eve be. I ended up building a 16' eave, which turned out to be a large carport, without exterior supports. When they abondened their law suit, the judge dropped dropped the suit with prejudice. its a great EAVE. Don't give up.......................

[@BlueNaru9]

If you are not in an HOA than you should contact the police to get a restraining order on this stocking neighbor who is trying to extort money from you.