TOREADOR EXPLAINED - the creepiest clan of Vampire: The Masquerade?

[@exnomer5002]

*_Outstar:_* Toreador! The CREEPIEST Vampire Clan!... *_Clan Tzimisce:_* Hold My Flesh.

[@zory6699]

Tzimisce are super edgy

[@t.va.6611]

@@zory6699 stop using that ugly word, no place for it.

[@ztzimisce]

and also...Tzimisce: Wipe that smirk off your face, or I'll do it for you...

[@activestruggle4170]

I am exploring the lore of WOD even though i played VTMB; getting ready for 2! anyways, why does tzimisce do this with flesh?

[@megalodon4586]

@@activestruggle4170 not too certain, but I think they are of a sadistic nature, plus they believe that pain and torture "frees" their victims somehow or transforms their existence into something more useful or better (for them). I got that out a dialogue in bloodlines 1, very shady and weird thing to say but that's Tzimisce for you. The one you fight also mentions that that's just "who they are": Flesh-weavers. I think they identify with this. Toreadors have never been too creepy to me. I thought of them as bland in comparison. Pretty vampires mingle with human society, oh boy have I never heard that before. Also VV in bloodlines 1 couldn't even tear a script apart made by a bad science fiction writer, because she felt bad for him. They are too "human" to feel as scary as Tzimisce.

[@altromonte15]

I like to think the toreador antediluvian never went into torpor, she just had the worst hangover of all times and it took her thousands of years to get over it. As soon as she was able to walk again, she went to Greece and started partying again.

[@anelbeadswithagoodfriend2619]

queen shit lmao

[@technology5979]

The storyteller for this one game I was involved in had a Toreador enemy who's idea of beauty was that of humanity as well, but in a different way. One of the guys I was playing with eventually came to describe him as "someone who would plan your surprise birthday party just to see your look of joy and then murder your son to watch you grieve without his smile even cracking". He was all about the different ways humanity reacted to stimuli. I ended up diablerizing him during a blood hunt, but man did I want to see what he would do next.

[@Outstarwalker]

Lovely idea! :3

[@303machine]

Psychopath Toreador.

[@eddiester-bu7hr]

What about a Toreador character that finds beauty in the will power and survival spirit in humans, where they kidnap humans or hunters and make them fight against eachother, or against monsters, or against themselves, just because they find the desperate attempt of humans to keep fighting and surviving such a wonderful and heroic feat of will power.

[@Outstarwalker]

Great concept!

[@CosmicG777]

U mean like Jigsaw from the Saw movies?

[@eddiester-bu7hr]

@@CosmicG777 jigsaw's reasons were more of "Devine judgement" the character I have in mind is more fascinated by the survival instinct and willing to keep fighting that humans have.

[@rodrigocampos1302]

Hunger Games + Saw

[@schibleh531]

This kinda reminds of Alucard from Hellsing. He loved fighting Alexander Anderson but as soon as anderson stabbed himself with the nail and transformed into a holy abomination, he went mad with grief and killed Anderson. He said "only humans may kill monsters." It's like he wanted to be killed by a human.

[@howzany6832]

Toreador inspirations that can really break the mold: - The way a mortal screams when they die. (serial killer Toreador) - The way blood flows and how it can splatter or make interesting patterns (a Toreador who likes to play with his/her food and makes interesting blood art that is basically the same as a creative chef in vampyr society) - Creating monstrosities and freakish art out of different body parts (A sort of Dr. Frankenstein idea, of someone who likes to make freakish art out of body parts) - Someone who likes to keep things extremely neat and organized and literally feels OCD when something is slightly out of place (a neat vampire) - Making lies and truths become a tapestry of lies and truth... (Either a vampire who enjoys drama and is a con artist or on the flip side is someone who enjoys uncovering lies and discovering the truths behind lies as an artform... a bit like a detective). - Creating the perfect Chylder (A vampyr obsessed with creating the perfect vampyr progeny and is constantly disappointed and starts over again when their chyld turns out to be imperfect).

[@Sharkakaka]

Just had the idea of the last one embracing a child that is really unusual for their embracing standards and they think is just another another failure and just abandon the fledgling but as time passes they start to get ready impressed by that child that not only survived but trived and when they see what they become they are basically "This is the one, my perfect child!"

[@thekeefchief3616]

@@Sharkakaka this sounds like a book with the child as the protagonist and the sire being the villian or maybe a recurring obstacle or maybe even an Allie like the one guy from Tokyo Ghoul who wouldn’t let anyone else eat Kaneki

[@zlatkajupe]

Some of that sounds more Tzimisce

[@BeefMeisterSupreme]

@@zlatkajupe yeah, specifically the creating monstrosities part

[@303machine]

"Creating monstrosities and freakish art out of different body parts (A sort of Dr. Frankenstein idea, of someone who likes to make freakish art out of body parts)" Tzimisce not Toreador. You are going over the top. Art is not degeneracy, Toreador praise beauty, Tzimisce and Nosferatu are not beauty. Tzimisce maybe are not degenerate but they mutilate supposed perfect human form to their will which could become monstrosity, hence degenerate, mutilated.

[@princelestat224]

Your clan cosplaying has been on point every time.

[@stephaniegonzalez3477]

facts

[@valorin5762]

Toreador are largely underestimated and often just portrait as artists or that cliché suffering gothic vampire type. I played a Toreador for a long time in vampire live back then and thanks to those clichés my character has been vastly underestimated, which was quite useful actually. He loved people, the way they are, the individual persons behind their masks, and the beauty in revealing the real thing in them. He could be quite the manipulating asshole. Toreador can be great monsters in disguise, many love life and keep their finger on the pulse, and at some point they just have to take a sip, or two... Or the whole city. My first playthrough in BL1 was a Toreador and so far I think I will also decide for one in BL2. Great video, made my Toreador-sense tingle. :)

[@303machine]

BL1 is replay worth game. I played as Tremere (magic class you could say) first time. Malkavian is the most fun I think, Nosferatu is challenging, Brujah and Gangrel is fighter class (in Vampire: The Masquerade - Redemption you were Brujah, but they are more than fighters/tanks in original story). Ventrue are snobs, good for diplomatic characters. Gangrels are vampires with (werewolf) beast inside them.

[@ZeMalta]

The obsession, the desire to create something (even if they don’t have creativity), the twisted vision on the world, the constant change of desire and attention, the ambition to be in the front, to get the attention. Toreador can be really be interesting instead of “artist rich vampire”.

[@krispalermo8133]

I played a gangrel that through way too many frenzies looked like a mutated werewolf mixed with a raccoon/ bob cat. Which made him a big complete breach to the Masquerade. Most of my gangrel had dots in Acting, Intimidation, and Throat Singing. End out come I had way too many Toreadors trying to make my character " their " new house pet.

[@brianlindee220]

Did she mention questioning sexuality I don't think I like that just kill me flat out not interested in going transgender or gay

[@NWolfsson]

*holding a controller* Monsieur de Sade, is that a sex toy? Really loved the reference and the french x)

[@Venislovas]

Everything is sextoy for lewdest man, even his sister.

[@Biotic_Warlock]

Simple way to keep a Toreador under control: get them a Netflix account.

[@fernandosales8320]

Isaac would be so happy with Netflix

[@Charok1]

My Tor would love the blood violence of the Spartacus tv show, since I'm an American artist, haha.

[@mara_jade021]

Or all the contrary and you find a dozen of Toreadors trying to replicate Murders in Shows lol

[@CatzBell]

@@mara_jade021 Ngl my Tor would do this unfortunately.

[@mara_jade021]

@@CatzBell I know right my Mara would totally do that.

[@bartomeuferrer1473]

lmao “a toreador turned me gay” is the funniest thing i could‘ ve ever imagined

[@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933]

Hannah from Bloodlines comes to mind

[@lalolanda8458]

Love these clan story times. Also, for not being a native english speaker, Outstar, your vocabulary is very extensive.

[@AJJ129]

I mean toreadors are like low-key manipulative stalker types too they mess with peoples minds they make you want them

[@NWolfsson]

What, what, the antediluvian of Toreador is twin sister of antediluvian of clan Malkavian?! *put out pop corn* VtM is a soap opera confirmed!

[@Outstarwalker]

Yep, and their other brothers are Saulot and Set, what a jolly family that was! :D

[@ebonshade]

It is said when a ministry kindred is embraced, they hear the voice of Set and look into the right, when a Malkavian is made, they hear the voice of Malkav and look to the left.

[@Brandelwyn]

World was a small place

[@josephbeckett2330]

Dude/Chick/It-thing, you are like 30 years too late. He/She/It/They was the baby-momma of Nosy, and cheated on him in front of the Clans. Then had a show on Morrey where "you are............ NOT the father", on telemundo, obviously, and then tried the age-old, "I cursed you to an eternity off suffering, on a whim, and destroyed all you cared about for fun, but now I hit the wall, so hard I even tried gender reassignment, and even the cats nopped the fuck out,... and you dared,... you dared not love me for just being me...." thing. And that was in "V2" and "V3". V4 (20th), had no idea what was actually going on, and V5 is like pre-elementry school levels of sophistication. Don't even bother.

[@lolbots686]

@@Outstarwalker and theres a theory saulot was actually the one who founded the salubri and baali Itd make sense due to his dicipline valeren Valeren has the power to cleanse,heal and restore,ie healing, removing mental illness While daimonion corrupts,destroys and ruins that which its power is used on,ie summoning demons and using hells very power

[@dantur9053]

I am so happy toreadors are in the game. My favorite clan. Been waiting for your video since they announced them :)

[@frankparker1191]

They are definitely one of my favored Clans as well.

[@ANIMEIIIANDIIIMUSIC]

I find them a bit dull. I'm huge fan of Tremere and Malkavians myself.

[@frankparker1191]

Toreador dull? I think not. Tremere on the otherhand are boring xenophobic bibliophile usurpers, they don't even really count as a Clan in the grand scheme of things. Their lineage only manifested in the eighth century, due to Warlocks being unable to cope with their own mortality. And Malkavian, lets not forget The Clan of the Moon. At least they can claim with certainty their own established lineage, and I won't even try to attest that Malkav's children are boring. They are anything but. Toreador are interesting in the all eyes on them sort of way, while Malkavian are interesting in a more jesting sort. It's like comparing The Mona Lisa, to Little Blue Horse.

[@omnical6135]

@@ANIMEIIIANDIIIMUSIC malkavian and tremere are the best clans

[@bainbonic]

So glad that you agree with the creepiness of Toreadors. They're easily my clan and I try to get that creepy vibe whenever I play. My Toreador is enraptured by the more philosophical and existential concepts of identity and the soul, believing what makes us ourselves is the most beautiful and diverse piece of naturally occurring art out there. What he does is he goes out of his way to scout and find people with strong personalities, passions, loves, or beliefs, people with strong and clearly defined identities, and he gets to know them, pick their brains a lot to really come to know them, befriend them, love them even. He then abducts them, imprisons them, ties them to a chair, sets up a running camera, and then uses the Lingering Kiss on them before leaving them alone for about a day to do nothing but dwell on the Kiss. Beyond using a Ghoul to make sure the victim never falls asleep, they will be left as undisturbed as possible. Upon returning, he finds this one strong-willed and personable individual now hopelessly consumed by the need for the Kiss, willing to sacrifice everything they once would have withstood death or torture for just for even one more bite. He moulds them into a factory-line persona, the same generic boring sycophantic willing slave every time, destroying that sense of identity that he so loves and is so enraptured by, inducing what is to him the ultimate tragedy. And it's this profound and immense tragedy which is his beauty and art, watching these ultimate Great Tragedies unfold before his eyes to get a far greater impact than reading one of Shakespeare's tragedies ever could. He'll go on to collect the film footage of his victim losing their will and their individualism from that set up camera, and will deeply mourn and cry over it in an unending fit of melancholy... until he meets somebody else with a powerful sense of identity. And then he'll start getting to know them.... Needless to say, I was quite pleased with the game trailer's Toreador using a camera for their art.

[@Rm8083]

I will probably pick Toreador as my first playthrough….Always liked the "charisma" playstale in rpg pc-games and im guessing that it will be the Toreador playstyle.

[@amitgabay3721]

I was tremere but I focused mostly on charisma

[@Ярослав-ф8з5к]

"Charisma" playstyle with Malkavians =) I wish we could make a pacifist runs in Bloodlines2

[@darylchurch2115]

I grew up on FPS games and fighting games, and in a weird way it made me love when games give me the option to play smart instead of violent.

[@Deviltriggerfounder]

playstale lmfaoooooo

[@nubius]

@@Ярослав-ф8з5к well,...as pacifist as possible at least~

[@amf1435]

My Toreador concept is a talented young photographer, a journalism student. She was embraced by an older male Toreador on a whim, he basically saw her one evening taking candid pictures of a city with an old school analog camera and thought he has to have her. But she proved not all that interesting to him and he left her shortly after. My Toreador is a photographer, which translates into her obsession with art and beauty, although not much. One thing you have to understand about her is that she is a journalist first, an artist second. When she found out about vampire society, she was deeply shocked and disturbed and made it her goal to reveal its existence to human populace. Obviously, she can't go around fighting against Masquerade, she wouldn't last one night. She's trying to collect evidence first; that's what she's taking pictures of now and what she claims is her beauty obsession to others. Pictures of other vampires feeding, mayhem they cause, secret meetings and rituals etc. She finds pleasure in art of making photos, but her actual obsession (beautywise) is with herself. She wasn't that good-looking before; maybe that's why she was attracted to photography in the first place. Embrace made her more beautiful than she ever was in life; she turned vain and tries to beautify herself even more. Her social media presence is extremely pronounced now. She does realize that it is a curse, though; she tries to fight it, quite often succesfully. What she doesn't realize is that her self-absorption makes her think about herself as a martyr. She craves to bring the Masquerade down, but she dreams about being in the spotlight when it comes crushing down. That's why she won't post her pictures anonymously on the internet, or even why she wont join the Anarchs. She wants to be the one who does it, who everyone looks up to, even if she were to die the next minute. She tries to convince herself that she is just being careful, but she is simply egoistical, with deep illusions of grandeur. I think she is European, probably from Vienna. Her name is Valeria Schober, was about 20 when she was embraced (quite recently, she's still considered a fledgling) and is like 12th generation, not thin-blood, but damn near. I also think she should have a love-hate relationship with a Brujah Anarch, who she often crosses paths with.

[@vizunalvarez883]

I quite like your concept. Have you been able to play it, since it's been like a year?

[@amf1435]

@@vizunalvarez883 No, I haven't. I never played VtM or any roleplaying game of its type for that matter. Still planning on it though :) Do you want to try this concept? I would also like to know how it would go.

[@vizunalvarez883]

@@amf1435 I recently started in DnD, so I don't think I have enough roleplaying skill to do this character yet. But when I can, I likely will

[@bitocouillu]

For me the creepiest clan is the giovanni. They won't just torture you, they will also torture your soul for eternity. Plus the whole incest thingy

[@CosmicG777]

Funny u say that. I was writing some backstory for a couple of brothers from the Giovanni Clan. One ends up running away, but ends up being embraced by a Toreador and the the other is tasked with tracking him down.

[@ratatatuff]

As a former Cappadocian player, I sincerely hate the Giovanni.

[@robertoleary5470]

@@ratatatuff as a Bruja I hate all of equally. Now where did a put my explosives 🧨?

[@chessscat]

So..I had this idea of a toreador who seeks beauty from recovery, healing wounds, rehabilitation. She works as a social worker or nurse etc, will be so happy to help people overcome their struggles. But you know... you can't heal something if it's not broken. And it will be so nice to see this young, healthy professor I found recovers from injuries...hmm maybe from drugs too, so...

[@Outstarwalker]

Really nice idea with a very creepy twist, I love it!

[@lilscenechick1995]

Very interesting. Sounds very similar to Munchausen syndrome, where someone will pretend to be sick or actively harm their self because they like the attention it gives them. I believe there's a similar disorder or syndrome (or a form of Munchausen's) where someone gets a sick pleasure from caring for an ill or disabled person. They might actively harm that person so they never fully recover because they like recieving the attention and praise from being a caregiver. I remember an episode of Deadly Women where this woman had several infants die of SIDS (it turned out she suffocated them), and she also miscarried. She liked the sympathy and attention from it.

[@dylanchouinard6141]

I was thinking of a similar idea: a Toreador who finds the beauty in compassion, in making the world a better place to live

[@Hellnagel82]

As a Toreador I would kill someone out of dissapointment that I didn't find the beauty in them I searched for. I would think Hannibal Lecter could make a good Toreador.

[@hombreg1]

It makes sense to be honest. He finds beauty in the flavours that his victims provide.

[@leosabat4636]

i would never forget when he eat the violinist because he miss notes....as one that posibility haunt me Also best quote: clearly he whant to eat her, kill her and have sex ...not sure in what order

[@darkcloud93]

a toreador with a nagaraja apetite XD

[@Hellnagel82]

He is a passionate horrible monster, like vampires. He is no Louis.

[@jensendoesgaming]

@@darkcloud93 That flaw does exist in the game. It did in the old edition at least.

[@Levi-hd5db]

The toreadors are also the coolest clan (loving the hair btw very cool)

[@mareczek00713]

You have a very strange way of pronouncing Celerity Brujah with a Saiga...

[@maliamayf]

@@mareczek00713 you clearly have an odd way of pronouncing Tremere

[@Telfear1]

Gangrels consider you pussies😈

[@paumen9330]

@@Telfear1 In germany we call someone like you "Ehrenmann"

[@Telfear1]

@@paumen9330 what that might be?)

[@Tuxwell]

the way you describe it, it sounds like pyromania would be a pretty fitting trait for a toreador to have, just gazing at the fire they just started at a gas station as it explodes into a ball of flame, kind of reminds me of that creepy video some arsonist made of a burning house and while they were watching it burn they were talking with this rapture in their voice like it was the most beautiful thing on earth

[@Brandelwyn]

Except vampires fear fire to the point of going into frenzy

[@annec8127]

Maybe the fear is part of the thrill. An adrenaline junkie pyro toreador.

[@Janosuk]

I love the Vesuvius theme playing in the background at the start.

[@ProvostZarakov]

Right! Thought my ears were playing tricks on me

[@fevierenie671]

My toreador was inspired by beauty of heroism. From ancient myths to modern day superhero comic books. She even became a comic book artist herself. But she also sometimes acts like a supervillain, trying to inspire people to be heroes. It is also hard for her to fight normal humans/weaker vampires, because she finds their struggles and will to keep fighting no matter what beautiful.

[@mioekraloperta6906]

as jason brody said: "there behind the beauty lies unspeakable darkness"

[@shannonholmes9045]

How about a Toredore that find beauty in madness and seeks the company of malkavians above all others. Befriending them and learning their secrets?

[@mara_jade021]

In V5 role book a toreador describe how Malk make most surprising lovers and is a wonderful experience all toreadors should have.

[@v.emiltheii-nd.8094]

@@mara_jade021 Funny since both the Toreador antideluvian and the Malkavian antideluvian are related twins.

[@willieoelkers5568]

I remember I role-played my Toreador in VTMB as a sort of wanna-be knight-errant, in love with the concept of chivalry and adventure. I know this makes him sound all noble and heroic but he had a distinct Don Quixote bent to his chivalry, meaning if a sufficiently "fair" lady asked him to go kill someone for her, he'd do it no questions asked. I went with Anarch ending for him because he felt the Prince and Camarilla weren't sending him on properly glamorous "quests"; there's no glory in skulking around old warehouses, boats, museums, etc. and just found them too oppressive and dull.

[@PhantomSavage]

I have like, 3,000 steam games and have finished a few hundred of them. I think I'm a Toreador by default.

[@Brandelwyn]

No, you're just financially irresponsible

[@toolatetothestory]

Oh god that's a BIG mood.

[@IAMNOTRANA]

@@Brandelwyn Got em

[@Kitten_Stomper]

@Sneed Feed And Seed born rich? Or maybe has a high paying job and works overtime which is why only a small portion are finished.

[@empireempire3545]

I personally find Torreadors as sweetest, nicest, most humane clan of all of them, and they are one of my favourites along the Tremere and and Ventrue.

[@1cfbdmdd]

I really hope there will be the “what is your clan” quiz in the game xD Hopefuly more refined than the one in the VTM1

[@RoseDragoness]

I wish the quiz give you recommendation instead forcing you to its shoes.

[@Hukur_]

Daughters of Cacophony can use the singing and the voice as a weapon (Melpominee Discipline). They are mostly Toreador.

[@OsirisLord]

It's assumed they are a Toreador derived Bloodline.

[@masonblack3461]

As are the Volgirre, Toreador with Vicissitude.

[@pinkithink3757]

I like the concept of a Toreador that finds beauty in being loved. They are obsessed with the hunt and what they cannot have. They will often use their more natural means of seduction before their supernatural means but if they can’t get their way they would. They would be someone to use the lingering kiss and then get bored and dispose of them.

[@v.emiltheii-nd.8094]

Know what's Malkavian insane? A Toreador actually finding beauty in Nosferatu's tragic deformities...in a creepy way. I can actually see that happening.

[@timothybelleci3554]

that's a fantastic idea.

[@jacknapier76]

Reminds Me of A Certen Scene in "The Boys" Between (Fish 🐟 man 👨) and (Sadistic Fan Girl lol🧛‍♀️👉)

[@lordmurderkitten6098]

Literally had my toreador compare a Malkavian’s insanity to Kintsugi. He was his friend, there was empathy but in that moment he was just so enraptured by his mind she viewed him as a art piece than a person. It gets dark fast especially if your Toreador notices what they are doing but can’t help it

[@solavelyans]

I'm a Toreador, and I'm exactly like that

[@waaazha1237]

Tremere: You Toreador's won't be so beautiful anymore after I've made you go '' splat ''. ... God damn it, even as pools of blood you're beautiful.

[@mareczek00713]

TBH, if there ever was a clan alliance meant to be, is Toreador+Tzimisce. I mean, beauty seekers and sculptors.

[@Charok1]

Slow nerd mages won't have the time for a spell when their head is already cut off their body, or say a spell when they are eating a gun barrel.

[@andromeda6135]

Who would win: an entire chantry of ancient *cOoL* blood mages or one cheeky little drone bastard? XD

[@rateater1857]

tremere have a ritual that enables them to be just as beautiful and seductive as toreador, but they have to tuck mint in weird places and wash themselves with virgin blood.....- no, neonates, it can't be your own blood, ...-

[@t.va.6611]

@@mareczek00713 volgirre

[@pronoydutta614]

I was thinking of a Toreador graffiti artist who uses Auspex to channel his/her vision into spray can illustrations on very public areas like metros(learning from masters from the past, like Rembrandt, Singer Sargent, Heavy metal albums,etc.} , walls of shady neighborhoods or clan signage. He/She transgresses the conventional ideas of grafitti art in ways and is a frigid reminder of the urban and the aspirational.

[@gotic1926]

I like how you explain the clans. I longtime played Vampire the Masquerade as Pen & Paper. I once met a cool played Toreador. Her Charakter background was interesting. For her, art was to walk under a bright moonshine and as best in a dead park (dead trees, rotten flowers). That was where she only drunk blood of humans or embraced her child. Her Sire made her to a Toreador, because he likes her beauty and for him art was a little bit more cruel. Today we would say the Sire of her would made snuffer movies. And only the most resistand persons get the honor to became his Gouhl. And she managed to play these two aspects perfectly.

[@ronnordan7323]

Making other Kindred think the Ventrue are in charge is a very useful skill

[@MasticinaAkicta]

Consent? Around a toreador? Their presence alone will make most mortals weaker of mind and easier to mold. And yes, the ones that give in to the possibilities can be an utter delight. Some really scary possibilities. And since they are sisterclan to Malkavian, just think of what they are capable off.

[@mara_jade021]

I love Toreador and i role play evil toreador siren collecting pretty guys as gouls killing my muses after painting them

[@hombreg1]

Damn o.e that's... Pretty horrific... And cool!

[@Maxine07]

This is my favorite clan)) I always played as them in Bloodlines 1!

[@discountplaguedoctor88]

I once beat Bloodlines 1 with a Toreador, I was itching to get it over with.

[@Telfear1]

Good social clan, leaning to seduction. I prefer them to Ventrue.

[@discountplaguedoctor88]

@@Telfear1 That's an understatement. Ventrue are pains in the ass, they're THAT condescending!

[@sirreginalddelasombra163]

OMG, I freaking love your videos! VTM was a game I grew up with. Took me nearly 7 years to beat Redemption when I was a kid and I played Bloodlines nearly a dozen times. So excited for Bloodlines 2 to come out! Thanks for the insight on the Toreador. Never really thought much of them until I found out about how dark their obsessions can get. And I'm glad you verified for me that some can even use Vicissitude as that is a discipline that I would associate more with them. Fingers crossed that Bloodlines 2 reveals clan Lasombra as one of the original playable clans!

[@turpentinedaydreams4494]

Outstar: Toreadors are the creepiest clan Tzimisce: Hold my vitae

[@fabioprado90]

Your hair is amazing! Beautiful explanation! Love the clan Toreador, my favourite one by far. Always played Bloodlines 1 as Toreador. Thank you for the great video. Kisses from Brazil!

[@christopherteems3587]

From your description of Toreador antitribu, it made me think of Hannibal Lector. He found beauty in suffering (like breaking Will Graham down in the Hannibal tv series), found Clarice beautiful because of her painful childhood and her attempt to silence the lambs by saving people, and of course cooked beautiful food while making art of his victims. I also shudder at the idea of a Toreador antitribu being reembraced by the Baali. Some creepy shenanigans would ensue I'm sure.

[@captainalistair4045]

A toreodor obsessed with his sire who left him a week after the rebirth as he got bored, His sire, on the other hand, finds beauty in creating young vampires and is interested in making a perfect one, so the toreodor follows him and kills his other children one by one and tries to find him again. While that, his sire finally finds a perfect person and stays fascinated by him months after he turned. Toreodor finds them, and makes his sire watch how he tortures and then cuts and sews his body into an ugly living but unable to move or talk creature. He imprisons his sire to stay with him forever and the vampire has to spend his whole death with the toreodor he abandoned and having to see his once perfect child be an ugly alive flesh sculpture forever.

[@seikatsuragi7237]

I'm planning to play a Toreador that also founds her beauty in humanity, but most specifically on the human concuct and how their brains works, since she is originally a psychologist. She gained a bit of a spot by pretty much being the therapist of new vampires, but still works with some humans too for cash reasons. In any case, it is hard for her to follow her professional ethic whem her patients are not only her muse, but also her food.

[@undead9999]

I used to roleplay a female Toreador antitribu who was deeply sadistic and absolutely loved torturing other beings (both supernatural and human). Her idea of beauty was an artistically scarred and deformed victim who she managed to still keep alive and suffering.

[@roaringchicken4219]

Does Outstar wear low key costumes for each of the clan videos? I’m noticing slightly themed outfits/ styles between the Brujah, Tremere, and now Toreador videos.

[@willieoelkers5568]

Yep, one of the things that makes these videos awesome are the subtle ways she sets the tone for each clan.

[@rudolphantler6309]

I wonder what she would wear for clans: - Nosferatu - Tzimisce ("new" clan) - Harbingers of Skulls / Lamia / Samedi Hehehe Or even Gangrel or Baali.

[@NoN-ko5bt]

Rudolph Antler For gangrel I think a ripped up fur suit with fangs.

[@rudolphantler6309]

Makes sense.

[@Hrefn]

Loving the hair Outstar

[@Settra91]

I'm about to start with a Toreador painter that find beauty in the concept of impermanence, he's favourite motto is "beauty fades, thet is why it is beautiful". Humans grow old and die and for that are beautiful, a frozen lake, a flower, they have worth because they come and go and the only memories remain. Paintings, sculpture and the like is beautiful because it's a memento of the work of the artist (the work, the fatigue, the spark of genious have beautifully passed) but has a deep hatred for copies and ripoff. Vampires are eternal so are not beautiful.

[@Matheus072]

Was looking for a channel with some good and in-depth Vampire: The Masquerade content and found yours! Keep up the nice work miss! You really helped a newbie storyteller here

[@docman9640]

With the mention of toreadors being obsessed over something, I feel like it would be amusing to role play as one obsessed with the beauty of fire. Just to add more weirdness to howbthe clan is, have it be one small fire that a toreador keeps feeding/using on people to see the destructive art of fire. Can see forests being burned for the sake of doing it on plants that need fire to thrive, enjoying the life giving aspect of fire as well. Could lead to odd situations, with burnt flesh and plant matter being smelt in the dwelling of such a creature’s basement

[@MrFrete-mi9yf]

crossing my fingers for malkavians next week

[@hubertET]

From what I heard and read there will be no Malkavians in the base game. Sadly. That is why I won't buy that game on the release. Malkavians are the must for me.

[@leavesinautumn5959]

@@hubertET Same, I mean it's not a deal breaker for me but still they're a must .. really hope that turns out to be a misdirect or something.

[@hubertET]

@@leavesinautumn5959 For me it is a matter of "milking me" with DLCs. IF there are no Malkavians in the base game - I'll wait for the complete package, maybe there will be Lasombra also? I mean - there are so many games to play, books to read, the time will just fly and I will buy game fully patched with all DLCs and any issues solved - either by devs or by modders/community.

[@leavesinautumn5959]

@@hubertETYou make a good point .. I think I remember Outstar saying something about having a hunch that they may leave Malkavians for later and instead do Lasombre in the base game. Lasombre are pretty awesome and playing them would certainly be interesting .. still have my heart set on Malkavians though. Guess we'll find out either way in the next couple of weeks once they finish announcing the remaining clans.

[@hubertET]

@@leavesinautumn5959 Some people have told me there will be only Torries, Nossies, Brujah, Tremere and Ventrue or Gangrel in the base game. Only 5 clans. Has that turns out to be just false gossip/speculation and there will be Malkavian/Lasombra in the base game - I am sold. If not - I will wait.

[@rateater1857]

i played a terribly salty toreador who was an art critic embraced in a rare (for toreadors) circumstances; as an instrument of petty revenge ("wouldn't it be funny if my rival's fiercest critic who makes her cry tears of blood with every art review, was immortal?" type of petty revenge). He wasn't handsome or pleasant at all, but he gained quite a bit of influence and became a harpy at some point, so it was hilarious to see this forever frowning, bald, gaunt guy in a turtleneck being surrounded by a crowd of fawning and adoring vampire twinks everywhere he went (which only excerbated his saltiness). And I finally got some use of my single semester in art school by delivering polite yet utterly scathing art reviews and managing to dodge the final death from the hands of offended elders.

[@autdroid6078]

Toreador was my first ever Bloodlines playthrough and I've loved them foreverrrr

[@randomim42]

My last toreador was an Austrian ballet dancer and fencer that loved gracefulness of movement. He was intensely paranoid of his powerful sires complicated and machiavellian machinations. He had a pretty strong bond with malkavians. It was fun having him

[@randomim42]

I think his best part was with his sire, who was driven by storytelling. He was a playwright that grew bored with simply writing stories, but needed to manipulate people into enacting his stories in real life in impossible levels of complex ways. My character was embraced to be the main character of his sires next story, and was constantly horrified that everything he did was just part of his sires story

[@cezzan6586]

Drinking game: Take a shot every time outstar says beautiful

[@MarcinWanago]

Do a video about the flesh eating Nagaraja :) it would be really cool

[@jarex93]

Wonderful! You're videos are breathing life into a world I dabbled into when I was young but didn't fully understand. Keep it up!

[@mel_mordecai]

Educational and entertaining as always. I appreciate the effort you put into your videos!

[@ZenakuShinobi]

TorPlayer69: My mana is low... *runs to NPCs in public* UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@D3sm0ndus]

Hurry! bring here the stop sign or we are doomed! ;)

[@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933]

Humanity -9999999999

[@danieleaton5444]

Just started watching your vids and I think they are great. the best part is the shout outs to the Salubri.. The best clan of them all. RIP

[@jonsprague1977]

I played as a Toreador in Bloodlines for the interesting dialogue options.

[@MetalPhantom7]

I think Ventrue and Malks or even Tremeres are much better as a social clan and by dialogue options variety because they had Dominance or Dementation choice in dialogues. Toreadors were way too boring and even weak compared to other clans. I finished playing VTMB as Gangrel recently, in the mid-game I had maxed out Protean which turns into a werewolf form, had physical strength 3, endurance 3 (but they are buffed +2 during Werewolf form), unarmed 5. So my Gangrel was almost unkillable with all the body armor, werewolf form endurance + fortitude and killing everyone in 2-3 hits and also had total seduction 8 (was female gangrel so that was a must, they have much more seduction lines in game) and intimidation 8. I mean, all you have to do to receive extra dialogue option is to put more points into social skills, that's it? That's why I've found Toreadors lame and boring in VTMB, possibly they might show a good combo with guns and celerity and always stay far from enemies but I never managed to play Toreador straight to the final scene. I didn't like their Disciplines set also, both Ventrue (I think the true social clan cuz I've managed to play ignoring all combat skills, just used flamethrower late-game against bosses), so Ventrue, Malkavian or Tremere have suicide and mass suicide offensive Discpilnes and Toreadors have no offensive at all. I think Toreadors will be really lame near end game (vtmb1) because too much inevitable fighting against fire-armed enemies, and Toreadors have problems with defence also. I think it will be really hard for them in ending Venture tower, for example, or in many other places but unfortunately I cannot tell all the possible hard places now because my Gangrel was blocking and deflecting huge amount of damage, especially gunshots. Also Tremeres can tank lots of dmg using bloodshield, but I played them long ago.

[@mcgibs]

@@MetalPhantom7 Huh. I had a pretty easy time at last parts of the game as a Toreador. I just blew everything away auto shotguns and machineguns. My dude was like a prettier version of the dude from FEAR. But still, it got pretty boring anyway because late game guns when specced into them are pretty OP.

[@the_storyteller_1431]

My Toreador thought beauty was found in "perfect relationships", he would find a lover (humans mostly but he had a few vampire and ghoul lovers) and he would cling to them desperately looking for someone to return his level of commitment and seriousness to a relationship, but because of his idea that true beauty was found in perfect relationships if his partner ever gave a hint of disloyalty or someone was making moves on his lover he would become enraged and had a tendency to kill them in one way or another for their offence, now he was also at this same level for friendship and such there was a few times in my parties adventures where he would nearly got himself killed protecting his friends, luckily he made it the end of the campaign where he and the Nosferatu of the party were joined in unholy matrimony.

[@DG9-q6f]

Even the timing of your video is very fitting: the evening before the museum night in Russia and Poland (perhaps more countries I am not aware of). P. S. As a Toreador, I would roleplay as a poser who desperately wishes to be an artist and thinks diablerizing Malkavians or artist Toreadors may be a solution, making the latter his priority. This keeps him in a near-permanent trouble with Sabbat and thinbloods (he's too afraid to cross the Camarilla), which he explains to others with a very strong adherence to Camarilla values, because he's ashamed to admit the true motives.

[@joachim7206]

A poliomyelitis-suffering chemist who was selected by the Rose clan and now struggle to create a flawless designer drug that splits and changes consciousness in one fell swoop, but for now, only in humans. Fascinated by the interconnection of the mind, molecules and new boundaries of immortality, the guy is, in short.

[@trevor7861]

Your Polish (correct me if I’m wrong) accent has inspired me to make a Toreador based off of Tommy Wiseau! Great video

[@OopsAllSetite]

Outstanding as always Outstar!

[@86kingrat]

One of my favourite characters was a Toreador who was a visionary inventor. He started off as a field medic in the late victorian era creating prosthetics for soldiers who suffered grevious wounds. Flash forward to today, he's a refined scientist with a fascination and longing towards the innocence of the retro-futurist aesthetics and ideals. His prosthetics are works of art, designed to look amazing, and "restore" a person. He treated the human body as a canvas. Last time I played him, he was looking into the Kabballistic myths of Golems and their creation.

[@LocalMemeFarmer]

The sudden close-up at 2:14 nearly made me choke on my sandwich from laughter. Great video overall :D

[@jacquesmoody7904]

I played in a campaign where one of the player's was an old French Toreador chef. He had a buttler and everything. He looked like the most sane out of all of is. But we don't know what he cooked since he turned. He was a chef. But we never seen him cook.

[@FabryLegend]

I actually used to think of Toreador as a weak clan, as a pretty useless clan for their concept or their disciplines, until I forced myself to play as one, and boy I was wrong. My first naive toreador was a plastic surgeon, fascinated by beautiful people and creating beauty in them. And that character escalated down pretty quickly. But one of my favorite characters was this drug lord, embraced for his talent as a painter, who searched beauty in the way of making everything. He was pretty poor before embrace and ostentation for him was the way of redeeming his mortal nature and the ghost of the poor boy he was. His house was full of Scarface vibes, with the drugs lingering everywhere and his harem of people picked for their beuty and hooked with the power of presence, then conquered with the blood and in the end suffering and sharing the boredom of my vampire, hunted by the hollowness of a life of appearances. And they would pass the days like taht, just waiting for the thrill and the hope of being chosen as the meal of the day, fighting their abstinence for vampiric blood with every drug they could find in the house.

[@jerimiahsmedley2951]

First and foremost, fangs deep with emotion, I adore you and think you are beautiful Outstar. I enjoy and learn a lot about the clans and the game on paper and video. I'm a newbie, so keep it up. Love to die for your content.

[@KJAkk]

Toreador was the first clan I played in Bloodlines 1. While I have played table top D&D with a group before I have never had a chance to do so with Vampire: The Masquerade but I would be interested to try.

[@jeffk3570]

7:41 if that gorgeous creation (or an equivalent) is not in the game I'm gonna be a bit disappointed. LOL that description caught me off guard a bit the first time.

[@christopherturco3494]

The Toreador is my favorite clan, has been for 26 years. They have the potential to be the creepiest of the clans in Vampire, of people read between the lines. So much potential!

[@arionischambers3793]

Toreador's are my favorite clan. So happy for their release.

[@princekrazie]

One idea of a Toreador is a very old storyteller who is obsessed with the beauty of storytelling. They travel everywhere seeking the most interesting experiences and records their adventures into an epic autobiography covering a thousand years.

[@JustEpicPain]

Oh, i already know who is best candidate for a Toreador considering his affection of "art". Jhin from league of legends. "Art requires a certain…cruelty." - Jhin, the Virtuoso

[@jonathandryon8205]

Good point. And despite Taric being a hero in LoL original lore if he could be a vampire in Vampire Masquerade Bloodlines, I think he could be a perfect Toreador. I mean... the guy fights and seeks beauty in everything he faces.

[@ben17ism]

I came across the trailer for Bloodlines 2 on YT .,.... had no idea what it is ...... But now after watching some of your videos ..... Damn this all sounds so freaking COOL!

[@v.emiltheii-nd.8094]

I once roleplayed as a Toreador who found beauty in the spiritual and immaterial. He appreciated the hidden depths and insight that normal people had since that was something he tragically lacked (being undead and all) and could only crudely mimick. In fact, he was so obsessed with that, that he wouldn't even try feeding on one of them (instead of rats and spiritually shallow people like bums and prostitutes...unless they had spirituality and life philosophy themselves) since he would compare it "as a clumsy tourist permanently ruining a priceless artpiece" and that the bites would ruin the spiritual state within that person and turned it into sth. profane or depraved (like the junkies that enjoy the feeling while getting drained)...not to mention the bitten "enlightened one" aestetic as a whole utterly revolting him. His ending was quite poetic since the one that killed him was a vampire hunter with whom he was quite enamored (without knowing who she really was cuz no Auspex attempt) since she showed the qualities he was looking for in a human and therefore refused to bite her due to his hubris. Especially after learning of her life as a nun. After finding from an anonymous source who my character was (since they did a masquerade violation or 2 by accident), she staked and beheaded him but also buried his remains (that didnt turn to dust due to very high Humanity and "spiritual theme") out of respect and even personally named the grave too. Her last words: "Out of all the vampires I've slain over the years, you're definitely one of the nicer and more decent ones. I'm truly sorry this had to happen! I pray to God there is a paradise for someone like you out there! May you find peace!" Honestly, I would've chosen a different route for my character but I'm satisfied with this "bad" ending a lot more (compared to the Kuei Jin ending in Bloodlines, that is).

[@coffeebreakhero3743]

Does anybody know who is the amazing Voice Actor from the Toreador trailer?

[@TheSoundwave92]

Literally thought I heard Laura Bailey when I first heard the voice but it's probably just me

[@coffeebreakhero3743]

@@TheSoundwave92 it's not just you but I don't think that's her

[@FinchesFables]

Eric Watkin, US army veteran turned EDM DJ. He took this artistic path as a way to handle his PTSD and to control the fear that explosions, gunshots etc would cause him. His vision of beauty is the Cacophony of Chaos, a warzone is an orchestra, a car bomb is a street performance.

[@thedarkmaster4747]

Yeeeessssszzzz!!! 😵😍🧐

[@thedevilsstoryteller3946]

Love your channel, Outstar. ^_^

[@VertexDon]

Don't mind me, just waiting for MALKAVIAN'S EXPLAINED

[@MetalPhantom7]

bad for you, most certainly malkavians won't be included in the base game

[@leavesinautumn5959]

@@MetalPhantom7 Don't jinx it, you're probably right but still ..

[@MetalPhantom7]

@Dcard Dcardian tImE FOr yOU to drOp yOUr sHaDOw sOmEwHErE ElSE

[@ANIMEIIIANDIIIMUSIC]

I don't mind it. Malkavians are awsome but they spoil the game too soon - best for second playthrough and beyond ... so as long as they will be present in complete edition I'm fine. Besides - I'll play as Tremere in my first playthrough ;-)

[@ebonshade]

@@MetalPhantom7 How wrong you are, how glad we are. Nosferatu and Gangrel got the cold shoulder.

[@vandal_prime9934]

As a Toreador my personal concept of beauty is "The beauty of the build". Fascinated by machinery, craftsmanship, architecture, everything relying on a good build basically and would be obsessed in becoming the best in all of them. Being an engineer in mortal life, seeking perfection in the build of a machine. Robots, cars, water filtration plants, tidal power plants, everything requiring extensive engineering knowledge would make a pretty interesting toreador I'd love to see in VTMB2 :) (veery unsteretypical)

[@chaotic_enby2625]

Reminds me very much of my GW2 Sylvari rp character... a member of the nightmare court (think of them kinda like the antitribu in VtM), an artist fascinated with the darkness, with pain and suffering and negative emotion, which she portrays in abstract statues. I didn’t know about VtM when I created her and built her character, but the concept I have for her perfectly aligns with what Toreador (or the darker parts of Toreador) is all about. I’ll still play Tremere on my first playthrough, as they are awesome, but Toreador might make a good second playthrough.

[@gabojill19]

I will not tolerate this Toreador slander!

[@ivoryowl]

My Toreador is going to be a kleptomaniac who considers thievery a form of art. He goes on heists to steal rare and precious objects that he can then keep (Golem voice: My preciouuuussss...) or sell (he has to make a living somehow). Not just that though, leading the police on a wild goose chase to find who did it or even try to catch him - it's all fun and games for him, food for his ego. In order to facilitate his stealth skills, I'm going to choose Nebulation as my starting thin-blood ability and then go from there. He's not necessarily evil but he is selfish and a tad hedonistic. When he's not stealing, he is always on the lookout for anything or anyone that can grant him that sense of "pleasure", be it physical or otherwise. He has to be careful though because he tends to get easily attached to other people and that can sometimes be more of a detriment than otherwise. He's more emotional because of this. He looks frail but he's actually pretty decent at self-defence, especially with bladed weapons (he likes to get close and personal when shit goes down, lol).

[@metalflorida]

So basically Vampire Diaries or Interview with a Vampire, high class noble vampires.

[@ravagegames4963]

Slaanesh vampire style basically

[@trixus4768]

Not gonna lie... I'm a person from Prague (CZ) and according to lore, Prague is pretty much full of this clan. The thought that these guys are all over here is super creepy eventho I know that this is only a game 😂

[@CosmicG777]

I had made a Toreador that is obsessed with the art of anime, manga, Japanese weaponry, martial arts, etc. Lol, I basically made him the ultimate Weeb/Otaku who loves his 2D waifus more than anything.

[@annescarlet9573]

"Version differences : In 2nd Edition, the Sabbat Toreador had a similar weakness to those in the Camarilla (although the Sabbat members could also find beauty in great ugliness). Revised edition changed this to forcing Toreador antitribu to make a Willpower check when confronted with an opportunity to cause pain to somebody." Hmmmmm.... Outstar I love you videos!!!!

[@japevicho3117]

When I first heard about Vampire one of the first PCs that came to my mind was a toreador that found beauty in the art of battle and dueling, and as I first heard about the Dark Ages setting, I imagined a wandering knight that travels seeking the strongest foes to perfect his combat art, even willingly confronting other vampires or vampire hunters, some inspiration was taken fron the Blood Knights of Warhammer Fantasy.

[@SenSens0]

360p squad

[@Brandelwyn]

144 gang ftw

[@TheCrusaderBin]

Was waiting for this video :)

[@TheDoctor423]

Don't have one for a Toreador... but I think I have a truly original concept for a Tzmisce with high humanity. Basically, she started off indoctrinated in a Sabbat cult and followed her Sire's whims for one reason only... to learn more secrets of Vicissitude... you see, my Tzimisce was born male, but identified as female... and the clan of change... the clan of flesh-crafters... was a golden opportunity for her to get the body she'd always needed to have. So she swallowed her pride, buried her humanity for years until she learned enough of Vicissitude. Once she learned enough of that Discipline to morph her own body how she wanted it (plain to cute nerd kinda look)... she fled and fled until she found refuge in one of the more organized Anarch groups, and she has kept her humanity high over the decades by focusing her use of Vississitude as being a supernatural surgeon for both mortals and kindred... as both medical savior, and cosmetic assistance... and especially helping other Trans people attain the body they need with full functionality. She can't restore full functionality to vampires' dead organs of course, and though she is tempted to experiment on Thin-Bloods to work out what makes them able to be more human like... to have the ability to reproduce... to go out in the sun mostly unharmed... she has so far resisted that temptation. She has also refused to Embrace anyone. The main problem she has is her Sire finding her... she covered her tracks fairly well, especially after joining the Anarchs who have helped her... and the Calling might well have done away with him... but some part of her fears that he is around somewhere... eager to drag her kicking and screaming back into the fold.

[@XenrickDHeart]

I hope if we join the camarilla in bloodlines 2 at the end we don't die.