Over Hyped, Under Compared... DJI Avinox

[@MTBTrailsAroundSurrey]

Finally...someone calls it for what it is. The Amflow, despite looking pretty damn good has really highlighted how few and impartial online reviewers their are out there. Ive unsubscribed from the "big 5" as just got so bored with the prepaid regurgitation of what you can find on the manufacturers websites, None of them are impartial at all, its all paid for from manufacturers marketing budgets and a day job for the presenters. I dont blame them, Obviously this happens on the web for any industry but the regulations need updating, just including the words paid promotion is a bit outdated now. Glad you're on the mend pal

[@alexbiketester]

Thanks for the props. I've had time to study everything and they are all full of incontinence. So I simply asked questions about it. None of them have tried any of the already existing comparable motors. There are very few of us who are willing to try stuff without being paid.

[@alexbiketester]

Worth noting where I live by law I have to say who is paying me if I have a sponsor.

[@boulderghost4457]

It’s actually the rest of the industry that is talking smack out of desperation of a disruptive competitor. The Amflo frame may be a little flex for enduro or larger riders, but the motor is next level and better in every way measurable. Go ride one , then give an informed opinion.

[@dit4963]

So someone who puts the motor on a test stand (see "DJI Avinox auf dem Prüfstand: Eine heiße Angelegenheit..." from Velomotion Magazin) is not impartial and is being paid, but you trust a dude who gives opinions and claims it is "over rated" without testing it and without checking that there are actually comparisons out there. Yeah, great "logic"and talking about bias 🤡 😅 I wonder what would be the attitude of many if the motor would come from an European or American company. DJI disturbed some very proud and biased people 😅

[@MTBTrailsAroundSurrey]

@boulderghost4457 My comment has nothing to do with the bike itself, its about marketing and general online reviewing techniques, the regurgitated "best thing ever". Plenty of my riding buddies have had a ride on one and think its great. Sure I would too, but I wouldn't call it a "game changer", because its not, in my opinion. Pedal assist in bikes was a game changer, for example

[@jaydub308]

You're one of the few to mention this. I can't believe how many people have jumped on the bandwagon for a bike with no history. One we can't even get. I want DJI to be good and successful. Competition is good for the bike market. However getting hung up on numbers doesn't capture everything. Thank you for your honesty.

[@megane230f1]

i think thee amflow is a test mule bike for data regarding the motor once they get data back and how reliable the motor is amflow will vanish, and DJI will then approach the mass bike producers, ive seen rumours and images of the motor going into the forbidden bikes

[@jaydub308]

@megane230f1 this is one of the best theories I've heard. I'd like to see them be a successful company in this space.

[@jamesfeltham1250]

There is a valid point about comparing the same parameters for ebike motors. However, where DJI has smoked all the other motors you mention ( in the UK ) is availability, dealer network, and (probably) support. The other motors do not have anywhere near the same bike presence so the consumer is reacting to the availability. The bike itself is not an XC bike - that's a ridiculous statement. It's not marketed as an enduro bike but it managed some runs down the A-line in Whistler with no issue. It's sold as a trail bike, and having seen one and sat on it, that's what it is. It feels like a Levo SL, but with the power the Levo SL lacks. It's also avoided headset cable routing which is a plus for me. It's not the perfect bike though - I'm still waiting for that bike, but their whole system and launch has been very good so they deserve some credit for that.

[@alexbiketester]

the levo SL is very limited in ability downhill like the rise.... amflows instagram suggests an ideal casestudy for riding that in my experience on this type of bike would be over any normal persons limit.

[@jokermtb]

I have a Transition Relay, and ride tighter trails in Michigan, with lots of short punchy and often awkward climbs where power delivery is far more important than outright horsepower. I find the 60n/m motor on my Relay to be way more than sufficient to tackle my trails. More power would only make things more difficult. Perhaps if you're in California, trudging up a fire road for 1/2 hour, a 85n/m bike at turbo might make these dull sections less dreary, but for most people that power is a waste. Less is More, sometimes

[@shaneycarter8803]

Pleased to see you are the road to recovery after your awful off pal. I would like to state I've recently acquired the new Amflow Carbon PL Base model. Swapped out the wheels to Zipp Moto 2 and changed out the drivetrrain to XX T Type transmission and AXS reverb dropper. Just because I had them already, the standard spec is still very decent for it's £5999 UK price. Swapped out the brakes for Stealth Ultimate Code Brakes as this is what I always run, along with One Up carbon bars, Hope gravity stem, Ergon grips and saddle, which are always my preference. Upgraded the damper to Grip 2, for full adjustability. Omg this bike is seriously on another level. I took it today on my favourite routes and I was laughing at how well this thing climbs. There's a certain part of the trail that has a fantastic downhill descent that I always hit but with this bike I could climb back up the same trail and do it all again., this has been impossible on ever other bike I've had. I did it 5 times, grinning every time. It opens up parts of the trail that is completely new and allows you to do the impossible . Flipping amazing, absolutely love it. The power is fully controllable and the level of grip outstanding, with the Big Betty and Magic Mary combo. You can barely hear the motor and no noise at all when descending. The bike is practically silent, but when you hit boost Omg it's amazing and unstoppable. Sooo happy I pulled the trigger and treated myself. Can't wait to get out again to explore parts of the trails to date have been impossible 👌👍😀 I really think you need to ride one to pass true judgement. I'm 90 kilos all kitted up. The frame is taught and I don't feel any more flex than I have on previous quality bikes I've owned.

[@alexbiketester]

do you have a new system weight? thanks btw

[@shaneycarter8803]

@alexbiketester I weighed the motor @ 2.52 kg and the 800watt battery was 3.74kg. These are the claimed weights and were 100% correct. I didn't bother weighing the controllers and screen as this are incredibly light.

[@bigshnitzeljesse]

​@@shaneycarter8803are you saying it's your first emtb?

[@shaneycarter8803]

@@bigshnitzeljesse no. I've had a trek fuel exe, atruly great bike but obviously down on power compared to this. I have friends with full fat treks and haibikes. I've ridden these but they have also ridden my Amflow and they all want one too, I'm first to the top of the climbs now 😁

[@boulderghost4457]

I’m disappointed how many supposedly credible KZbin content creators have downplayed or outright maligned the new DJI motor. It smacks of ignorant click bait or even industry payola and desperation. I’ve ridden one for two days in Germany and I can report real world experiences, not just numbers or uninformed opinions. I own an Orbea wild with a Bosch CX Race motor. The Amflo/DJI is a whole new class of motor. I’m a big guy and I found that while the Amflo frame was light, it wasn’t as stable/responsive or as rigid as my Wild. Still, it rode like my Yeti SB130 with a deeper rear travel. I don’t know what you are moaning about the “xc lightness of the tires and components” the Amflo I rode had maxxis assegui and a dissector which is the meaty combo I ride on my Wild. Fox 36 factory forks are NOT xc spec?!? You seem desperate to find a problem when there isn’t one? The dji motor is without a doubt, another one or two levels above the Bosch. The torque feels like double the Bosch. I had to ride in the low to mid levels most of the time and the tires hooked up when I needed to use boost, no problem with grio! And was more than impressed at those levels. Consequently, I finished a 40 mile ride in steep terrain with 30% left on the battery. I wouldn’t listen to ANYONE who hasn’t spent multiple days on the DJI. Fact is, the motor is that good. I suspect the durability is superior to other brands also, judging by DJIs quality with their other products. I for one have my eye on one. Just waiting for a more enduro oriented frame.

[@alexbiketester]

I have spent multiple months on the direct competitors for the DJI, askoll, Sachs and Polini. Hence I'm saying the other KZbinrs are not comparing it against the right motors. Doing that and you would find it's the same as the aforementioned motors.... :-)

[@boulderghost4457]

@ Still it’s not overhyped. It’s all that and more. Great components. Great display. Great frame. Great weight. And so far the greatest motor. I’ll be open to updating my opinion when I can actullay ride the others. Until then the hype is accurate.

[@photony]

Great stuff. A motor that peaks at 1000 W is perfectly legal here in the States. Our limit for nominal power is 750 W or one horsepower. Peak can be double that.

[@alexbiketester]

Yeah, but not for EU. 500 watt is max peak.

[@photony]

@@alexbiketester BOOO! Less power = less fun! 😉

[@jokermtb]

Not true, at least in michigan, where ebike motors are limited to 750w maximum, with no exceptions made for peak power (even on paper). Amflow confuses matters by stating, "The Amflow PL has a rated power of 250 W," yet elsewhere on their site, they claim "850w peak power". I'm baffled by this.

[@dit4963]

@@alexbiketester Dude, you are making stuff up. How would all motors be sold in EU when almost all have peaks above 500W measured on the test stand? (see "DJI Avinox auf dem Prüfstand: Eine heiße Angelegenheit...").

[@alexbiketester]

@@dit4963 if they peak about 500 then technically accordin gto the rules there is a stability moment and temperature then they have to settle at 250. otherwise they dont meet the standard. I can get more info on this for those who want to know more.

[@graysquirreltreeservice7299]

Love it great stuff 👏

[@AlekseyKluban]

100% u r right, hype is there, but nowadays u have to go hard if you want to startup. I do understand their strategy to tell everyone about their first good made product. Honestly I thought to give a time and see what will happen with this new game player within an year, nobody wants to buy cat in the bag. But I gave up when found a good offer in China, decided to put all in, and ordered it, so waiting it now, eta in few weeks. But my main concern is that I'm progressing from my old KTM ebike with good bosch motor 26 kg and 625 watt battery, to a 21 kg bike with 800 watt battery. It's a huge change I believe, and honestly who is using max power on ebikes? I still don't understand ppl who is unlocking motors and use boost mode for good. Imho ebikes are best training machine, it gives you more range with less stress 😂

[@gregstew6736]

I think the amflo has 36v system ? so 1000W at 36v = about 30 Amps , something has to be getting hot if it's really 250w continuous

[@phildavis6905]

You have raised some extremely valid points and this media hype. Legality, is the power needed, is it rated higher than really is, the bike geometry not enduro but xc so what's the point.

[@tomcagle5324]

💯. Also, the compact ZF-90Nm is ready for a compact 8 spd MGU....way more important than 120Nm in general. I have a 120Nm Bafang M600. Torque is king for mtbs and climbing. Watts are for speed on dirt roads or city commuters.👊

[@alexbiketester]

Yes 💯

[@tomcagle5324]

@alexbiketester good to see your content...even while on the mend. Heal up fast bro! 💪

[@Wingnut65]

My concerns steer more towards battery casing quality after the Canyon debacle. How good is the plastic casing, will it last, will it crack etc. Who makes it. It is an unholy minefield. I don’t envy people looking to make their first purchase. Likewise motor durability and weather conditions testing. It seems endless. I appreciate your channel giving honest advice, measured and truthful without the hype. 👍🇬🇧

[@alexbiketester]

Thanks for the positive vibes. Yes you are right, emtbs have to go through an extreme life, so having a well engineered product that's going to last is a tough ask. Battery casing issues I have seen only in two batteries. Specialized once and now this canyon issue, they will resolve it. But it's a definite pothole for them to negotiate and keep their reputation.

[@shaneycarter8803]

@@Wingnut65 the casing is metal not plastic. I know as I dropped the motor on mine to swap out the brakes and remove the dropper cable for my axs reverb. The quality of the motor and battery are first class, no dodgy plastic casting here. I inspected the frame inside and again the quality and detail is incredible. I've assembled many bikes over the 20+ years, even Gee Milner Dreambuild chap replied to one of my questions when he built one, to say that it's one of the best frames he's seen and the motor,! Battery interface top level. There is substance behind the hype. I love mine. No concerns 👌

[@boulderghost4457]

Seems like you are grasping at straws? DJI has a stellar reputation in battery management and motor technology. Their reliability is best in class with $50,000 agricultural drones. Their performance is first rate also. Why all the armchair critics. Ride one or shut up. Nobody cares about an uninformed opinion.

[@SimonFalkentorp]

Yes, in terms of power output in watts, it’s limited anyways. But there seem to be significant differences in torque relevant i. hill climbing for instance? Look at this test: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6q0oYB-abN4qqssi=DQXkVgqxhkaRjdeC

[@davidyoung-nb2pu]

very interesting

[@MrDaymien1]

Welcome back man : >

[@RoissyAngel]

Funny story. A few years ago I decided that my next bike would be an ebike once I had ridden my Marin full suspension and shopper hybrids to destruction. That and age 59 is fast approaching. This point finally got reached a few weeks ago. Back in November I found myself visting Cycle Solutions here in Swansea (They have some fancy new name now - Uprise, I think) to see what deals they had. My first go on an ebike was a Specialized Como shopper. LOL! By sheer coincidence they were launching the AMFLOW DJI bike that very evening. Long story short, the second ebike that I ever got to have a go on was the AMFLOW. Impressed? Of course I was. Definitely a bike for the lottery win, (They had actually sold all their initial inventory.), once someone finds away of putting a rack on the rear. (A rack is everything when going to Sainsbury's.). It was really nice to ride. Felt good beneath the hands. Not going to put your back out lifting it up and putting it down. You look at the motor and wonder whether it would just burn itself out. That button that gives you a minute of boost? OH BOY! I'm spoilt now for everything else. Off to buy a Euromillions ticket.

[@alexbiketester]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nigelrandtoul8646]

Well said Alex, at last someone who isn't sucked in by this "emperors new clothes" marketing. I'm a critical thinker, like you and I'm dubious about all this.

[@grahamsmith9788]

the Askoll quotes 1200W maximum so presumably that also, is breaking the rules? And are there any internationally distributed EMTBs using any of the three motors you mention? And another thing (!): presumably you agree that the distinction between lightweight and full-fat bikes is becoming blurred, we're now seeing more and more bikes with full power motors getting close to the same weight as the lightweight medium-powered bikes, hence the DJI motor at around 2.5kg has a big advantage over the other 3 motors you mention. By the way, do you have any thoughts on why it's taking Raymon so long to release the Tarok which I believe will be the first bike with the ZF Centrix motor? Journalists were testing it back in June. Best wishes for your recovery

[@alexbiketester]

hey thanks for watching. The data i hav e on the askoll itesstefd was a lower pesak, but yes also they should pay attention to the laws... we need more transparency for eu andd class 1 markets. BOsch is very worried about that. Raymon im in contact with they told me jan feb to have the bike ready to roll.

[@rawmancemtb]

It's 30 seconds of 1000 watts. If you watch someone using it you can see the acceleration. And these motors have been tested on a bench nothing stays in that 250 watt value. Bosch gives about 550 watts of continuous power. Power play is a step more powerful than Bosch. But the software sucks. It has "natural" feel meaning lazy power production. The first cam pull the motor is just dead. Where as on Bosch gen4 you touch the pedal and it's almost full power. New gen5 is a major step back in this regard. Also no overrun on PP although you can get a quarter pull overrun if you know how to use the motor.

[@alexbiketester]

talking to Polini, 500 watts is the peak limit.... 1000 is outside that, there is a need for transparency on these numbers and enough oif this hype which could turn these bikes into motorbikes if the regulators wake up...

[@HoltImages]

Sam’s Bikes did a good comparison and the loam wolf neither was hyping the bike and pointed out the flaws . End of most challenges that am flow pilled like a 🚄. I think you should ride it before giving a review.

[@alexbiketester]

The point Is they should ride the other motors before saying anything about this one...

[@HoltImages]

@@alexbiketester o I get what your saying ride the other 3 motors you brought up . only 1 i have seen at that power level was the rock mountain and in the videos the did side by side comparison !

[@diegosantos9752]

Sams bikes have ridden them all, have you ridden it yet?​@alexbiketester

[@Tumid1-i8n]

@@alexbiketester That's ridiculous. So a restaurant reviewer should not publish a review until he's eaten at every restaurant?? Your arguments smells more like sour grapes from someone who DJI denied access to a bike because of not meeting their minimum subscribership requirement ...hmmmm

[@bigshnitzeljesse]

In the United States, regulations on anything motorized are rarely enforced. You can ride a bicycle with gas engine or ebike 40mph(65kph) on city roads all day and never get stopped by police. BTW mid drive motors like Bafang M625 had 160nm 4 years ago. It was heavy but also ancient times for the ebike industry. I've owned a 23kg carbon 160mm/150mm full sus with Bafang M600 120nm for 4yrs and some of the big brands motors were capable of the same back then, if the controller was unlocked. A very small crowdfunding got Italian company Bikee to make a 120nm mid motor weighing 1.75kg(.9kg less than Amflow) they've been selling awhile. That's 1 tiny company and many other companies have a lot more money to throw at design. The Amflow motor is less powerful, weighs a lot more, costs more, and 100% Chinese made. Mine is Chinese too, I'd prefer it wasn't for my next.

[@alexbiketester]

thanks for the input.

[@Cheatingforfun]

It’s not only the power but the overall of the bike design specially the integration with finesse. The ebike customers mostly buy by the looks of it and then reliability (which is yet to be proven on this motor yet) and power. But that’s the good thing of honest reviews where you can have a glimpse without having to buy first.

[@MartinTeerly]

Hard tail is the only bike you need

[@samaxel_19]

Well for me,I just want to have fun don’t really care about all of these numbers 😂 when I put my helmet on my intention is to have a good fun with my bike I smile laugh and scream both ways uphill and downhill 😂 i own the Pl pro and I like it🤷‍♂️

[@PeteArcher]

While you wish to compare the DJI against the others you mention, you’re just wanting to compare them due to similar numbers. What about the weight? The DJI is nearly 1kg lighter than the Sachs you mention, that and the lighter battery makes for a much lighter drive unit system weight, which in turn reduces bike weight and in theory, could improve handling. So actually, the other outlets comparing the DJI against Bosch / Shimano etc are comparing like for like, just so happens DJI has more torque in a similar form factor

[@PeteArcher]

And then you mention the torque being too much, well then what’s the point of the Polini / Sachs then if that’s the case? Surely they’re not very good either if we’re just comparing numbers? Either way, just curious as you seem to contradict yourself throughout the video that’s all. Not trying to have a go or anything, merely just curious as there’s a lot of good motors out there these days

[@alexbiketester]

@@PeteArcher I've heard that the amflow as a bike is not the best. There are better bikes. Knowing what it was compared against and having ridden that bike and the Sachs Rs, I would say I would prefer the heavier better ride.... But until I've ridden it.... I will say this is conjecture but based on a top piece of info . My aim is to inform consumers not just get paid for regurgitation of marketing bumpf.

[@JohnSmith-sj2dk]

Agreed, but please make another video when you have ridden the bike.

[@alexbiketester]

i will compare it to motors of similar standing.

[@nobrakes7247]

One of you journalist needs to build a bicycle Dyno Then we can have some science behind what these systems are really out putting. It won't be simple because not only will it have to measure watts and torque at the rear wheel it will have to operate the cranks at set torque and cadence levels. Sounds like a great collaboration with a university or year 12 high school engineering class.

[@Raumance]

There are dyno tests.

[@jokermtb]

Amflow confuses matters by stating, "The Amflow PL has a rated power of 250 W," yet elsewhere on their site, they claim "850w peak power". I'm baffled by this. As at least in the States, most motor vehicle codes that define an ebike usually have in the law "For purposes of this act, a device shall not be considered an electric bicycle if the motor is modified in a manner that no longer meets the criteria described in section 13e, or if the motor exceeds 750 watts" So which is it, Amflow?

[@lars_atx]

In the AmFlow press release, they state their Avinox motor has output of 250W nominal power. "Nominal power" refers to the rated power a device is designed to produce under normal operating conditions, while "continuous power" is the sustained power a device can output over a prolonged period, and "peak power" represents the maximum power a device can produce for a very short time, often during a surge or spike. EU has limit of 250W nominal power, US has limit of 750W nominal power.

[@MTBEAST007]

We've seen dyname destroy the bosch motor in testing, and the dji destroy bosch even more...but the other big power motors you mentioned have yet to be pitted against dji. Either way the amflow bike will be faster as it's lighter and it's the most powerful peak torque wise, so what's the problem? It's the fastest bike out there with regards to uphill, and tests have shown it survived a-line. It looks to be an awesome bike for the price and just imagine when an enduro version comes out with the same motor. Accept the progression.

[@boulderghost4457]

You are spot on! It’s the best motor out there by a large margin. All these sour grapes reviews seem like paid corruption or at best, insecure ignorance. Ride the bike or shut up.

[@alexbiketester]

@@boulderghost4457 technically the bike is illegal and not a class one bike? The other reviewers have not tested the other motors.

[@MTBEAST007]

@@boulderghost4457 If you watch his next few sentences in the video I'm about to link he basically admits he doesn't need a faster bike because he fell off on a slower bike. "Do we need power without control?" and points to his crashed face. The answer is, yes WE do, but YOU obviously don't. Jesus, just because you (he) fell off down hill it doesn't mean the rest of us don't want to fly back to the top of a hill like we are on a motorcross bike. The control is up to the rider. I fell off, got hurt and it was my fault. He shouldn't really be putting the dji down just because he fell off on a non-ebike which has nothing to do with the power. Nobody is forcing him to ride one, especially when he fell off Trek slash which isn't even an ebike. Crazy comment from him here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpeciJx8ptWhkMk

[@boulderghost4457]

@ technically sounds like something YOU might have to worry about in your country but in the mountains where I ride I don’t give a crap. Nobody is lurking at my trailhead measuring wattage output on ANYONES e-bikes! Lol! God I’m glad I live in America! Honestly, the more you try to justify this video the more obtuse and stretched your premise sounds. If other motors are released, I’ll ride those too and if I find anything with performance close to or better than the dji I’ll consider it WHEN IVE RIDDEN IT. Until then it’s all vaporware and ignorance. Talk about fluff…

[@boulderghost4457]

@ Well, my God…it all makes sense now.

[@Zetler]

The legal limit maybe 500W but people have been buying based on peak output for years. Come'on, why even mention this. The only questionable thing about DJI is the fact its not coming to the market where this sort of thing is not only legal, but encouraged. The US.

[@alexbiketester]

@@Zetler i mention it because rouge KZbinrs use it to sell the clicks when they didn't before. And yes no one cares until someone does and the bikes are all out of legal spec.

[@graysquirreltreeservice7299]

Smart man

[@marklyndon8095]

Ca bikes be “dyno” tested like motorcycle testers do ?

[@alexbiketester]

Yes but having a Dyno is the problem..... Need to find one.

[@stealthman05]

Really enjoyed your point of view on this motor. The amount of money Amflow has ploughed into saturating the media is quite dramatic. Chinese pockets are very deep and their messages are very strong.

[@dit4963]

Or maybe their system is really so much better? Same as in the auto or drone industry, as I see you generalize. But hard for the proud Westerners, who like slow incremental changes, to admit they are loosing the game...until it would be too late.

[@hummer694life]

also have to look at the weight and battery tech. A 45 lb e-bike with a 800W battery. Rocky or no one else can do it. I smell sour grapes/click bait for views on this

[@mamadjun]

Refreshing.

[@emtbtrailrider539]

The DJI Avinox has overrun, the Rocky Mountain does not, and u got to keep it at higher cadence!

[@rawmancemtb]

Powerplay power max is at 80rpm so not really.

[@emonty62]

My Pinion MGU is more then enough

[@b45her]

ooh there's going to be a lot tech bro fanbois here soon to tell you off for questioning the latest marketing campaign they have been duped by... reminds me of the TQ120 hype train.

[@alexbiketester]

Hahaah yes the tq 120 ended badly

[@dit4963]

1. Claiming DJI Avinox is overrated only based on power is such a strawman. So many other points making this the best system on the market...by far. 2. The comparisons you mention do exist, maybe search better. See: "DJI Avinox auf dem Prüfstand: Eine heiße Angelegenheit..." 3. I don't see that EN 15194:2017 limits the peak power, only the maximum continuous (@thermal equilibrium) power. There is no "500-600W" (you can't even say a fixed number...). You are making stuff up. 4. Funny that you claim others are biased 😆

[@alexbiketester]

that detail is inside the document, which pooini also confirmed . thats why the dont peak their power more than 500/600. we need more clarity on what these numbers mean otherwise they are meaningless marketing .

[@euanholmes3839]

DJI fanboy by any chance? Alex is fair, objective, and honest. The DJI is the most powerful by a mile, but to say it's the best system, and by far, that's simply subjective, and not supported in the reviews. It looks to be a very good system, but many reports highlight it's flaws, as well as the XC bike AmFlow they're currently bolted to. Great system, but Alex is right to call out the fanboy marketers not being objective.

[@dit4963]

@@euanholmes3839 DJI/China hater by any chance? Yes it is. Majority of reviews are outstanding, despite some obvious bias. Just the 12A charging alone is awesome. Meanwhile Bosch 4A 🤦‍♂️ Then consider size, weight, integration, controllers, sensors, power delivery...Yeah, those who say is by far the best are biased 😅

[@dit4963]

@@euanholmes3839 And Alex claims there are no comparisons. He obviously hasn't made his homework 🤦‍♂️ but jumps making a video claiming it is an overated system...also without even testing it 😅

[@euanholmes3839]

@@dit4963 unless I'm mistaken he never says it's an overrated system. He clearly says that he's curious why there's so much hype about it when there's equally powerful systems out there. If you've found a Polini Vs Sachs Vs Bafang Vs DJI, please share the video or article 👍🏼 Until then, I'd say Alex remains one of the few testers to refrain from smoking the latest marketing pipe being fished out!

[@govermentsoundsystem]

Yep, I've been telling my friends here in the UK, the limiter speed is 15.5 miles per hour, make the DJI make sense to me please 🤪

[@alexbiketester]

Reality and marketing are two different worlds at the moment. Bosch have done well to be conservative and focused on quality.

[@Theolegit57]

Think you need to ride one before you comment

[@alexbiketester]

everyone else needs to ride all the others before they comment.... thats the point.... hype.... bs content out there,,,

[@Theolegit57]

Understand, I’ve got Bosch Yamaha and Shimano powered bikes, the Amflow is a revelation in comparison

[@Tumid1]

@@alexbiketester It is not hype that the DJI delivers significantly more power than all of the currently available motors tested by the media. The fact that Polini, Sachs & Askoll may (hypothetically) have comparable performance does nothing to diminish DJI's performance advantage. If DJI has better marketing than the other 3 motor companies by giving samples to many influencers that doesn't make their performance hype, it only highlights Polini, Sachs & Askoll aren't very good marketers. If those motors are equal to or surpass the DJI..all power to them (pun intended).

[@MTBEAST007]

@@alexbiketester I trust Rob in his uphill testing against the bosch powered bike. I don't need to try one to trust him. It's faster. End of. I'll wait till an enduro version comes out.

[@alexbiketester]

@MTBEAST007 he is not comparing apples to Apples.