Comparing Disc Golf Grips: Does One Reign Supreme? | Data Series Ep. 3

Join us as we delve into the world of disc golf grips. We test and compare the Power, Fan, and Bonopane grips to determine which reigns supreme. :) muahahahaha.
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0:00 - Intro
1:48 - Dakota Power Grip (10)
2:17 - Dakota Fan Grip (10)
3:02 - Dakota Bonopane (10)
4:05 - Dakota Bonopane (20)
5:04 - Dakota Fan Grip (20)
5:50 - Dakota Power Grip (20)
7:22 - Josh Power Grip (10)
8:15 - Josh Fan Grip (10)
9:09 - Josh Bonopane (10)
10:46 - Josh Bonopane (20)
12:13 - Josh Fan Grip (20)
13:01 - Josh Power Grip (20)
13:49 - Mikey Power Grip (10)
14:28 - Mikey Fan Grip (10)
15:10 - Mikey Bonopane (8)
16:15 - Bonopane Conclusions
16:29 - Josh's Epic Motivational Speech
17:44 - Mikey Fan Grip (20)
19:03 - Mikey Power Grip (20)
21:26 - Final conclusions and pro stats

[@DiscGolfWithSig]

Simon can hit speeds on command with astonishing accuracy, it would be really interesting to see the data he produces!

[@JDCfusethrow]

This series has been my favorite! I would love for you to test Philos grip of not letting the disc touch your palm theory. Also thumb location.

[@Glantzy]

Love seeing the data series - might even get a tech disc at some point myself just to continue my obsession!

[@MichaelSweet-nn5bg]

Now you've got to do forehand comparing one finger, two finger, three finger, stacked and pistol grips. One thing I noticed is that with otherwise keeping your throws the same as possible, that a one finger grip has a natural slight hyzer angle, and three finger had a natural anhyzer angle when compared to the other grips. I would love to know if testing data would back this up.

[@ThePidelina]

Yes please!

[@steveackerman5066]

I love the foreshadowing at the end. Great video and already looking forward to the next one

[@TheBiggerDavo]

Wow keep them coming bro. Im learning a lot and dudes personality is good.

[@jjw6961]

Good stuff, fellas. Love to see yall really going balls deep into data and metrics of the game; been waiting for someone to eventually do it. Btw, the bonopane grip always works great for me when I use it.

[@Cabelly]

I came here for the warmup montage. Not disappointed.

[@Santaaintgottime]

Love these videos. Grips are important!!! Good for us beginners!

[@WestCoastFloridaFishing]

Love the video! I suppose I might just need to commit to the power grip and practice some more to fix my nose angle. Thanks for the video and interesting to see the fan grip wasn’t too far off! That tech disc would just consistently tell me that I’m very inconsistent 🤣🤣 maybe once I start play par haha!

[@shanebentley5630]

I'm very glad y'all tested the bonopane. I have rather small hands. It took a fair bit for me to dial in the bonopane, especially with the thumb position (for me the thumb is much closer to the rim so my pointer finger can wrap over and around my thumb) and Josh got it spot on with how it rips the pads of your middle and ring fingers, it does get better and especially when you start getting calluses, but I had plenty of blood blisters. I'm using it less now unless it's an uncommon-for-me wide-rim distance driver throw. Though, if putting in the work on a power grip can get me more controllable distance, that would be great. But it's also pretty rare where I am I ever need to throw more than 400'. I'm so glad y'all included the bonopane, but I think it really should be something tested after more experience throwing it. But of course it's all different for everyone. Bonopane has been the most comfortable grip for me for drivers since I started back in '08.

[@davelopez9161]

A big thank you for testing the bonopane grip.

[@franks6856]

Good way to get nose angle down on power grip is to start your grip like the Bonopane grip, but then take your index finger off the top and wrap it underneath into a power grip. Helps get the disc at the correct angle in your hand.

[@enclavevideo]

This can also help set a 4 finger power grip if your pinky is too short

[@ottoclausen585]

These videos are great! I'm really curious about whether the release of the disc is significantly different for a bomber vs. someone who throws average distance. I'd love to see ultra slow motion footage of the release when a pro is throwing. Make it happen Overthrow! 😉

[@aftertheburial420]

haha warm up had me geeking

[@aaronhester6104]

I expected this thing to be crazy expensive. This is something that I could see myself buying just to play around with lol.

[@SwoopDaLoop1]

I would love to see a front loaded power grip vs more of a back loaded power grip. I have a more back loaded power grip where alot of my torque and spin is generated with my middle finger and my pointer finger acts more as a guide and sits on the edge of the disc. I always felt like I could get more power if I front loaded the grip but can't find a comfortable grip, it just slips out early everytime. I feel like my hand is too small or something. Would like to see the science between the two

[@mojoeks]

I was coming here to say this too. I did "power grip" for a couple years and then figured out power grip is more than one grip within it. I was working on everything else and never figured out nose angle until I realized the front load version. Now I can reach baskets 🙂

[@Quixote56]

When I started front loading, I ended up going to a modified fan grip. Since the back fingers weren't holding on much, I felt I needed them fanned a bit to have a stable hold on the disc.

[@discsoul6377]

I have a tech disc on order. I’d love to see coaching someone on nose angle using the data. Great series so far.

[@Attilargh]

I was going through the Flying Disc Museum's catalog of old frisbee magazines, and stumbled on a Bonopane interview from 1980. "Although nearly everyone who tries it agrees that the disc leaves their hand more quickly with more power, it generally takes along with it vital epidermic tissue. The accompanying blood loss can also be a problem [. . .]" "So , if you 're in need of a little more power, not discouraged by blood loss and tissue damage , and can live with a year or two of control problems- try my grip." -Alan Bonopane, Frisbee Disc World vol. 5 no. 1, pg. 8-11 It's a really fascinating look at the state of the art at the time. Did you know that in 1980 the consensus was the sidearm had greater distance potential than the backhand?

[@JaceM8]

Followup video idea on power grips; I'd be really curious about comparing 2, 3, and 4 finger variants. I feel like I get more snap more consistently when I don't use all four fingers. I have a theory that it's just because it helps force the pressure to be towards the front of the grip vs back when I don't have a pinky on, but curious if there's more to it than just mental

[@ThePlanetNamik]

guys, i love all the data! great series with real results, come to your own conclusions.

[@BigBig5]

Years ago, I used to use power grip. Since moving to a modified fan grip I have gained distance.

[@jaredf1431]

3:50 9:50 You can do it as often as a power grip. I know Dave showed it with the pointer tucked on the thumb but if you want to try it don't do that. Just float your finger over the top of the flight plate.

[@itisjustmedude]

Wobble is caused by the deflection of the disc itself as it snaps back to flat after receiving rotational and directional forces. The pros should be causing a larger deflection of the disc as they power up and getting more wobble. The wobble doesn’t affect their throw because of the rpms they achieve.

[@rainmakes]

The bonapane grip helped me get the nose angle down more consistently. It even added probably 30-40ft consistent distance gain back when I started using it. Don't use it anymore though lol

[@Gh0stz9211]

I started using it and have also gained distance and nose down. Birdied holes I've never birdied before and playing better overall. I think it's a good teacher on how a throw should be for throwing nose down if you are having trouble

[@rainmakes]

@@Gh0stz9211 for sure. I may pull it out here this week just for fun to see what happens now lol. But yeah, I threw all backhand drives with it for probably 4-5 weeks and then went back to my 3 finger power grip and noticed nose angle was generally a lot better. Haven't really gone back since. But definitely a good teacher of muscle memory (at least for me) of the wrist angle since that pressure over the thumb forces it down.

[@calebschmucker3034]

Some of the most fascinating disc golf content out there! As a predominantly forehand thrower, I’m wondering if you have plans to compare FH and BH in the future? I out throw my BH by about 50 feet pretty consistently on FH, which seems to be backwards off the “norm”, so I’m curious to know how they compare in general to understand why that might be. Thanks for the content y’all!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We will

[@calebschmucker3034]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf heck yes! Looking forward to it!

[@McDroogy3]

I would be happy to see the drill sequence to master nose down. It was cool seeing the difference Dakota found doing it.

[@tinncan]

I throw like 90% forehand and use the bonopane for backhand because if I get the nose angle right for backhand it screws up my forehand... It is absolutely a crutch, but it works...

[@biohazzard937]

it would have been interesting to see frontloaded grip and backloaded grip in this comparison although they are variations of the powergrip

[@outdoorenthusiastenl4907]

Awesome series!!! What is the best nose angle degree supposed to be? Thanks

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

-4 degrees

[@evanlawrence3741]

I love this tech (data) series stuff. I just want to come throw the techdisc and see my stats. I do not have very good flexibility in my wrist and constantly struggle with nose angle.

[@serenityinsilence]

For me after practicing using bonopane grip, it tends to fly farther than both fan and power grip. It felt weird at first, but once you figure it out, bonopane is $.

[@griffclinton]

I use Bonopane because I’m missing over half of my index finger. Since I found out about it, my throws have drastically improved (or at least it feels like they have). I don’t have enough knuckle to get any grip with it otherwise and it just kinda sits on the edge if I don’t use that grip.

[@davidschreck6574]

Ordered my tech disc. Decided to go with the fairway driver

[@Jono.]

Ohh you said “WORM ups” not “warm ups” Nice technique Josh lol And a sick video as well. The videos from this series are fantastic

[@erikfickey5033]

The warm up session prior to the start of the data collection was epic!!! Here is a question? What is the added weight to a disc and or what is added effect of wobble, spin, speed etc that the tech disc product itself causes verses when its not there and does Tech Disc factor that into there own equation of data collection? I mean it has to create some drag right? And if it weights more then is it calculating your true arm speed etc? Or should you just assume without it there it would only be better?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

They used a lighter disc so ours actually comes in at 177 g. Not sure about the effect it would have on glide or speed.

[@jeffreybickford7117]

Got your tech disc and Im super excited for throwing it. Its absolutely awesome. Do you think you get an app for the android phones for this? On a side note I plan on buy a mid-range and putter version of your tech Disc. I'm also presenting this to our public school board as tool to be purchased for helping to teach a math and science measurement topic. I'm in tge beginning stages of start a disc golf team for our school district. I'll keep you posted on our success.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I think it originated as an android thing but I could be wrong. Maybe that was through the site.

[@keyelectric91]

I just got a net and a radar gun but it would be a bit nicer to get one of those sensors. I'm throwing 46-51mph consistently but I use the bonapane grip and yes it's weird as can be starting off for a week but I also modified it for me when I'm not trying to hit 100% max distance I'll put my index finger curled up next to my thumb it works a lot better but I have not gotten a problem with my middle finger until I got the net and thrown a couple hundred shots in one session using the bonopane grip then it started to blister, I probably could use more practice getting the angle down with powergrip but by wrist will not allow it right now.

[@JoshMortlock]

Think the other variable that would be worth testing is hand size. I have small hands and cannot get four fingers on a driver, even three fingers is tough and doesn't give a firm connection. What I've found is that by using my middle, ring and pinky finger as a three finger power grip, and putting the index under the rim, I get the benefits of both the power grip (speed) and pain grip (nose down).

[@Chris-qq2cu]

You were talking about how wobble makes the disc fly more Understable. I am not wondering how GYRO might affect the numbers. I always found any MVP/Axiom disc to usually fly more OS than the numbers suggest. What I’m wondering is if the gyro effect of having more weight on the rim actually actually works by reducing wobble which is what gives a more OS flight and that is what makes the disc more aerodynamic in theory. Don’t know if you read the comments a month later but it popped in my head so I figured I’d put it out there.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Read it. They’d have to put the tech on a gyro disc!

[@coasterboard]

I love you guys

[@seangalbraith6837]

I had a coach once that adjusted my thumb to be way into the middle of the disc, as much as possible. Im curious how this test would look between power grip with thumb nearer edge vs nearer middle.

[@jeremysmith5800]

This vid makes me wonder if there is any rotation increase based on how many fingers used in the power grip. Something you guys might want to investigate.

[@TM-DGG]

As someone who has been using bonopane grip for over a year, I'd love to see what kind of results I'd see. And yes, you can not use grip pressure with this grip. It will hurt. And no its not for slow speeds only. I can hit 450 consistently and touch 500 every once in awhile. I went to this grip due to a stupid short index finger not allowing me to get a proper grip on distance drivers.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

That’s insane. You are a bomber with the bonopane

[@Quixote56]

Like others said, (1) different thumb positions and (2) front loading vs even vs backloading. In particular, I want to see if a pinch grip is fastest.

[@mikestrout]

I would love to see a comparison of gripping the disc at 9 o'clock (or less) from start to finish vs the tendon-bounce, where the disc rotates clockwise toward 12 and then when the wrist reaches maximum extension, it bounces back to 7 o'clock right at the hit. Eagle does this when he wants to really crank on a disc. There was a slow-mo of him at DGLO I think where this was really evident. I'll see if I can find it and post the link.

[@mikestrout]

I guess you could call this static wrist vs tendon bounce.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

We were just messing with it and it will definitely be in the next episode.

[@mikestrout]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I looked at some other slow mo videos including Drew and Simon on your channel and see that it is common to see some wrist extension followed by very intentional flexion.

[@NickCarroll]

It appears the min/avg/max a) speed and b) spin rate is slightly higher for power grip, but the min/avg/max c) wobble is lower for the fan grip. This seems to align with the common thinking that power grip gives more distance, but fan grip more control. Slightly. Wobble has a relationship with spin rate. Also wobble makes discs less stable - initially - but at some point in the flight the gyroscopic forces smooth out the off-axis torque. What that means in real world terms is a) the disc flips up more in the beginning, and b) the speed is reduced more initially. One thing to pay attention to with wrist position - curled vs flat - is to see how it affects spin and wobble, not just speed. In theory the greater curl should increase spin and minimize wobble, though I suspect there's a law of diminishing returns there.

[@thebigchungus3222]

Dont know if you are on a fitness journey behind the scene but dude youre looking great i couldnt even find your channel because i didnt reconise you 🎉😂

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Thanks dawg

[@joejett3995]

How about doing a study on the various forehand grips next Josh?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Eventually. Not next but eventually

[@JacobLikesMusic]

The power grip and the modified fan grip where so close in numbers. I would say the best of them would be the one that gives the most consistent accurate release, which ever that is. I think any grip needs to be practiced to get the best out of it as well, making small adjustments, maybe pinching at the hit etc.

[@realgoose]

If you still have that Alienwear PC… please get it some airflow 😅

[@davidkad2718]

I like your Data Series. I think you could perform an ANOVA on your data to make sure the differences between grips can be considered significant.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Pretending I know what an ANOVA is

[@davidkad2718]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf It is a statistical analysis method that allows to determine if means are significantly different between two groups of data. You can have the mean of one group (let's say for speed) being greater than the mean of the other group, but the difference might not be statistically significant. Several methods can be used for that, Anova being one of them. But I realize that the app developed by Tech Disc might not include such functionality. It's possible to do it in Exel with a bit of programming, or use open source stat apps like 'r', but it would require some learning for sure.

[@johnbailey4626]

When I first noticed you reviewing the "pain" grip my first thought was: "Hey, someone else using my grip!" But you're not quite doing it the same way I do. I DO put the index finger on top of the plate, but the thumb goes OVER the index finger, not under it. I think you'll find it doesn't hurt so badly that way. I have to do this to get a nose-down angle. I simply cannot get nose-down with a traditional power grip - it's just how my hand is made.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

That’s how we naturally grabbed it at first but saw that was not the way Dave Dunipace taught so we went with that.

[@Minecraftatemysoul]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I also use this with the thumb on the index finger. I also make sure that the hinge point of the disc is between my index and my middle finger knuckles so that is where I apply pressure with my thumb. I refrain from keeping the disc too much in my palm so it's more snappy when I launch it. I found the pinky gets in the way (so i keep it tucked) and only use the middle finger and ring finger against the disc inner rim (avoiding touching the bottom of the plate with my fingers and I try to keep them inline or stacked depending on space I have). I keep my pink tucked. My max is 400 ft. Im 5'5" 260 (so overweight for sure) and 40 years old. Been playing 1 year and 3 months. Im hoping to figure my off arm out before my age kicks in and prevents me from reaching a new distance mile stone.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@Minecraftatemysoul this way felt way more natural in the hand though I didn’t test it out

[@McDroogy3]

Another variation that I have tried is a little like a circle change up with a baseball. I make a circle with index and thumb on top rather than either one being on top of the other. The tough thing for me was timing a hit with the grip.

[@nyqpi33]

Will there be a video on the intentional practice for nose angle?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Yep

[@natemaas1982]

Josh I gotta ask, what have you been doing to get in such good shape? Last year we were the same shape. This year we are not. I’m happy for you but I’d like to be happy for me too. If you’ve mentioned it previously and I missed it I apologize. Either way, nice job!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Been getting this question a lot. Might need to formalize a response

[@TheBlindSquirrel70]

So far we know that 4 fingers is best, power grip is best are you going to test front loading vs. back loading next? Being an I.T. guy, I love data, keep them coming.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

have to move on from grip for a bit but might swing back around

[@TheBlindSquirrel70]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Can't wait to see whats next in the data series.

[@isaacheinen3704]

Interesting seeing AB's numbers. Do you think he typically throw slightly nose up? Curious to know your thoughts on if that may not be as big of a factor as we previously thought?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

He throws nose down consistently. Might have just been trying to top out or something

[@yaboi5654]

Recently bought a TechDisc! unfortunately I didn't see anything during the checkout to contribute towards you guys. Looking forward to more data videos! This disc is a game changer for the disc golf community.

[@tech_disc]

Send us a note with your order number and we can make sure it gets counted for Overthrow. If you clicked the link you're probably good!

[@neilmm]

What about a power grip but instead of the traditional fingers curled around the last knuckles of the fingers closest to the tips are locked?

[@gene6839]

At 13:30 unless I’m reading it wrong didn’t his spin go up by 21?

[@williamcrawford7995]

Just with playing around with this grip if you just cover the nail on you thumb and focus on putting the tip of your middle finger it feels a little better.

[@williamcrawford7995]

But I haven't tried to actually throw it that way.

[@keyzjingle7573]

I want a tech disc so bad but I can’t afford one maybe if it was half price. Lol in my dreams

[@kevinkevinholt]

My thumb is WAY closer to the edge than you guys, like basically just inside where the flight plate meets the rim (and based on some of your other videos I've been trying to put it farther back relative to my index finger so that they're pinching more, but still the same distance from the outside of the rim). Is that something I'm doing wrong?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Not necessarily. Lots of variation on tour

[@johnhunter1362]

I wonder if having to step through the doorway helps your form and release? I can't imagine that it feels natural at all.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

It doesn’t feel unnatural. None of us feel like it hinders us

[@Catiadr]

What are the units of measure for each of these fields? Wobble is measured in what unit?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I would imagine wobble is measured in degrees.

[@Catiadr]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I am suggesting that units be stated for those of us new to the sport, as you share the data.

[@dustinlobner5074]

Re: Bonapane - take some light sandpaper and hit the bottom of the disc and remove any flashing. I've thrown 36 holes exclusively BP and it's been fine, but only after that. And from a stats standpoint, you should flip a metaphorical 3 sided coin and randomize the order of each throw. I know it sucks from a data analysis standpoint...

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

There isn’t flashing on this one unfortunately so it hurts just because it wants to

[@micdavey]

Considering the size of their data set, I would have just had each person throw only one set of each grip and then gone back through again with grip order reversed.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@micdavey that’s what we did

[@micdavey]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf oh I meant that you would have a break in the middle where the other two people would throw and then you would throw again going back up the grips. Sorry I wasn't clear there. I don't think the way you did it was bad, just that fatigue would have been even less of a factor. Anyway, great stuff! I'm nerding out on this series.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@micdavey ahhhh. I see

[@WillEnj0y]

I only fan out my middle finger. I feel like it let’s me really pinch between my index and thumb without feeling weak.

[@nathanwilson7929]

Brother science... All I hear is Hulk Hogan Brother!

[@rmellish3]

"It's not a grip for people who throw far", might want to tell Kevin Jones that with his Bomber grenades

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Send him my way. But for real, in limited shots or for utility is different than it being a driving grip

[@Eaglemadhatter]

Everyone's hands are different obviously. My middle fingers bend outwards making certain grips awkward. I just wanna throw 400

[@reedmecum8966]

How much is the data disc? Where do I get this thing

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

$300. Link in description

[@nordicdiscgolferatrumble9430]

I bet theres less wobble on a big rip if the disc is very stiff

[@kylarstern207]

When is J Pain dropping his new album??

[@reedmecum8966]

Did you ever try the Shasta breathing on drives? Are you holding your breath

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

What’s that?

[@michaelfaber6904]

Wouldn't faster speed mean that the disc deforms more, which would be a source of wobble?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Could be

[@theboijcags8283]

I do the bonopain grip for granades like papa kj usa

[@calebdyer6332]

Same here.

[@jerkwagon]

HEYYYYYYYY stop shaming us! although i left, team bonapane, you cant knock it until you use it for real..

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Haha. The other way did feel more comfortable but Dave showed the other way

[@jerkwagon]

mr dave bonapane? Does this mean i have my own grip! "??? LETS GOOOOO @@OverthrowDiscGolf

[@torymblue2000]

I can haz Josh's nose angle?! :)

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

You can haz

[@octogintillion]

Practice :)

[@miniknast]

make a video with Simon lizotte wanna se what his stats are on his throws

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Busy guy that Simon

[@robertsoliz6821]

Is there such a thing as too nose down?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Absolutely. You generalize want about -4 degrees for distance drives

[@benloggains]

So 3 people who are good at throwing with a certain grip are better at throwing with that grip. Maybe someone who prefers the bonapane grip would also see performance drop if they tested a grip they hated.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

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[@Corrigan65_]

If you yell "HIIYYAAHHHH!!!!!" does the noise metric increase? Hugh? I don't get it! Wobble is bad? what number is good? What? I don't get it. DAKOTA!!!!! right Mikey? Still remember your ace. Last thing you hear is Josh "Love everything about it YES!!!" Hard cut.end scene

[@knockkers]

Yo, take screen shots with the PC and not photos with your phone. Do y'all print out your emails too?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

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[@cyanideankst]

Just constructive feedback to balance speech louder and bg music / outro lower.

[@cyanideankst]

Content itself is awesome and would be so cool to see what pro/big hands get on these stats!

[@sarinhighwind]

Thats a power fan grip.

[@Nayte08]

Make sure you pin the referral link!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Great call!

[@DnBGolf]

"so now it throws all the JPEGs"

[@mizzougrad001]

Music is distracting

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

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[@reedmecum8966]

Pragmatic so your driving isn’t so tragic

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

This one confuses me. What mean you by such a statement

[@ethanmansfield6439]

That third grip doesn’t give any helpful data haha. Nobody is use to holding a disc that way. It’s like comparing data from a brand new player to that of someone who is very experienced

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

That’s how bonopane was traditionally taught.

[@wzywgwzywg]

the 🪱, lol