Overwatch 2 is taking a HUGE Risk...

Blizzard is totally changing the tank role in Overwatch 2. Tanks will gain better armor resistance, higher health regen, more knockback resist and headshot damage reduction. These are HUGE changes and super RISKY for the meta and balance of the game. But Blizzard ahs a tank problem, and I'm super happy they're willing to take risks to try and fix the role! #Overwatch2 #Overwatch #blizzard
0:00 Overwatch 2 is blowing up the tank role
3:06 Overwatch 2 tank role buffs are insane
4:29 Tank Role Passive - 25% headshot damage reduction and 50% knockback reduction!
7:08 Tank armor buffs
7:51 Tank HP regen buffs
10:10 Overwatch 2 tank meta evolution
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[@KeanuChrist]

The Overwatch community hasn’t been begging for 6v6 this hard since OW2 launched.

[@mrpetebojangles21]

Speak for yourself. I find 5v5 wayyy better

[@shanonfrancis5071]

​@@mrpetebojangles21speak for yourself I find 6v6 way better.

[@spartan_a1176]

​@@mrpetebojangles21hell noo

[@itzpurple_queen9711]

Both are shit because blizzard can’t balance either format correctly 😂

[@TheSpawnTrapper]

Wake up Samurai were bringing 6v6 back

[@Khastrx]

The game used to be simple, now Blizz is just throwing passives on everything to try and address issues in the wrong way.

[@kiffy00]

exactly

[@sagaositygamez785]

100%. I've always thought it's cool when certain HEROES have passives that fit with their kit and synergize with the role they play, like the best defense rewarding doomfist for hitting abilities, thereby increasing his ability to tank, or inspire helping brig support both herself and her team by poking with whipshot or being in the fight, but when you start adding more and more to everyone you end up getting into a crazy state of an already cluttered game All these changes tell me is that we're going to go from Orisa being the best tank to Orisa being the best tank

[@tbagger5211]

The game was great , teamwork , things were able to be killed , healing was fine . It wasn’t perfect but the game now is terrible ,

[@pepekovallin]

Slight Correction, they're trying to address a problem they themselves made and refuse to take the simplest solution for whatever reason

[@darrinidontcare9526]

@@tbagger5211 they turned every healer into a dps. Which the support role was centered around healing and good utility still. But getting rid of that second tank made it so it’s harder for healers to fend for themselves. I really think ow has gone in a terrible direction

[@thelostradiant3953]

I'm on the side for 6v6, the amount of balancing, tweaking and reworks they have done for tanks is way more work than fixing "double shield", and one of the tanks that was egregious of "double shield" doesn't have a shield any more. Every change they have made has not made the tank roll fun imo.

[@krisdang]

They made orisa into the most annoying pos ever

[@KrazeemSB2]

​@@krisdangshe's a wall, just stop bashing your head into that wall. unfortunately, assuming you solo queue you won't be able to do that by yourself.

[@funkycrawler619]

And to add people say "Double Shield will still be a thing" the main issue I think people forget is that Double Shield was how well Sigma/Orisa were able to cycle their barriers and poke. Rein/Sigma was tech double-shield but the synergy wasn't there because of how Rein had to be played and the same can be said with Ram/Sig atm even if Ram has slight poke. Like reworking Orisa essentially fixed double shield and now with the passives, honestly, 6v6 would be less of a nuisance.

[@adventuroushermit2590]

Tank is a 2 person job. Just like DPS IS A 2 PERSON JOB. JUST LIKE SUPPORT IS A 2 PERSON JOB. SINGLE TANK WILL NEVER WORK BECAUSE ITS A 2 PERSON JOB.

[@azure7687]

They took our jobs!

[@kero6016]

Exactly, if you make any other role to solo is going to happen the same cause the god damn game was balanced/made around that since the beginning, is the core gameplay, you can't change it just like that

[@milo4075]

Fax they tried port things into 5v5 without actually changing the game from the ground up this will never work when the original overwatch was 6v6

[@bobothebob4716]

It's known that 2 women can give birth to a child in 4.5 months. /s

[@absolute-xero7502]

​​@@bobothebob4716this is the dumbest and funniest thing I've read this week.

[@shloyash7459]

Feels like a last resort before biting the 6v6 bullet

[@johnsonspark171]

cope harder. 6v6 is NEVER coming back

[@CROSSFADE69]

​@@johnsonspark171cope, 5v5 will always be the inferior version of overwatch.

[@shloyash7459]

@@johnsonspark171 im not even coping I'm saying what it feels like you troglodyte

[@johnsonspark171]

@@CROSSFADE69 and 6v6 will always be the DEAD version. What's your point?

[@josephmccartney5951]

Can’t wait for 6v6 to come back. Either 6v6 comes back or ow “2” goes down in flames. Either way I’m here for it. Honestly kinda rooting for the game to finally die. The finals is actually getting me to enjoy fps again

[@scottwilson694]

Sorry, but 10 Seasons in and they still cannot find a baseline to balance the Tank / DPS / Support triangle - because the game still has the ghost of 6v6 at its core. I'm not pretending 6v6 was balanced. But OW2 has never been able to find a steady place. Add to that the years of bullshit from Blizzard and removing PvE. Getting tired of this now and losing interest in gameplay changes.

[@mrpetebojangles21]

5v5>6v6

[@dedsec9734]

@@mrpetebojangles21 bait comment

[@GoondocksCastle]

Okay bye.

[@darnellhill3569]

Dudes act like 6v6 didn’t have major problems

[@toecollector9329]

​@darnellhill3569 what problems did it have sir? I would like to know

[@lvd_johnskateboard8331]

I miss 6v6

[@ClankyBankyGG]

I’m screaming into the void here but it just seems like they’re basically making the tanks into raid bosses that have essentially the staying power of the old 2 tanks without bringing back 6v6. Overwatch 2 has been a mess of “emergency” patches and while I’m not against them at this point I’m asking myself why I should be engaged in a live service game that hasn’t figured out what it should be after almost a decade.

[@iAmNothingness]

Play qp and wait for marvel rivals.

[@Anonymous-lv4di]

That was always their intention with giving them more HP going into Overwatch 2 and with them getting even more HP in season 9

[@PainxSorrow]

Marvel rivals brother 🙏🏾 our savior is almost here

[@laservolcanogaming6943]

6v6 would be awful

[@bambampewpew32]

@@laservolcanogaming6943 it used to be good, it can be good again if they don't completely mess it up lol

[@shanonfrancis5071]

Glad to see the 6v6 movement gaining traction

[@absolute-xero7502]

Gotta keep the dream alive.

[@bambampewpew32]

for real man it has to keep spreading, people who try to stick their heels in the sand of 5v5 actually are so braindead it confuses me lmao

[@pepekovallin]

​@@bambampewpew32 I used to kinda defend 5v5 back when I started in season 7/8, I mean, the format CAN work, but after playing and understanding the game for months I can say this game won't ever work in 5v5, it's not paladins, I would like to at least try 6v6, the amount of possibilities in 6v6 is what wins the argument for me, 5v5 is basically two tanks slapping each other while the DPS try to do something, in 6v6 I can see dozens of interesting interactions between these heroes, I can see a lot of metas rising making the game a lot more interesting and less predictable because that's what ow2 feels a lot of the time, predictable. And as a final point, no one asked for 5v5, blizzard has been trying to shutdown the conversation and that's honestly a scummy move, give people what they want already, we wouldn't even be having this conversation if blizzard hasn't forced the format down people's throats

[@cliftonhare116]

Oh it’s moving now, all I see is 6v6 support

[@bambampewpew32]

@@cliftonhare116 I wish it was that good lol I remember someone who likes 5v5 more said most people enjoy 5v5, I didn't believe him lol I think most casuals either don't care or want 6v6 back cause that's another slot for a friend (my friends agreed 6 is cooler cause more is cooler)

[@Kriscosmic]

They will do everything but put the second tank back in the game

[@laservolcanogaming6943]

Because it would make the game worse

[@user-tl1sz5xs7l]

OW2 is way worse than OW1 was.

[@pepekovallin]

​@@laservolcanogaming6943 how so?

[@Agnathor]

I'll return to the game once 6vs6 is thing again.

[@uchihaavenger2068]

nice seeing you bye

[@raffyarceus99]

Same here, i think we are close

[@ravagedcore131]

6v6 better

[@PainxSorrow]

Marvels rivals brother 🙏🏾 our savior is almost here

[@mrpetebojangles21]

Cool. Why are you commenting on an OW vid that hasn’t hasn’t had 2 tanks in 18 months? 5v5 is better

[@Mjolnir007]

Problem is not wether tanks are good, bad or op. Problem is that the tanking role falls on one player alone - so it does never feel good to play tank - cause you have to shoulder that burden alone. Imagine there only being one dps - and youre playing widow, imagine the pressure beause there is no second dps to help with a different firing angle or pick up the slack if you are just not hitting at the moment. Imagine being the only support and if you fail no one gets healed cause there is no second support to lighten the load. Why dont they get that? Why are there so many people not getting that? Mindblowing..

[@ralfwedel6914]

I took a long break when OW 1 was still on. Returned at the end of season 9 and took the Blizzard survey they offered. My instant reply to them was: I liked 6 v 6 better. Just give the players what they want instead of forcing systems they don't like. Why not start an arcade 6 v 6? If it turns out to be successful bring it back to qp and comp.

[@starfishsignal]

they dont understand the game they are making. its like watching a blindfolded person drive a brand new luxury car through a garbage compactor.

[@bambampewpew32]

lmao dang, I started in dec 2016, played til late 2017, and didn't play much until dec 2021, played and HARD GRINDED all the way until ow2 came out. Really wish I kept playing from 2017 until ow2 came out man, so much more enjoyment in ow1 :(

[@tonymills6257]

6 v 6 was fun once. Maybe they could give us the game we want and stop all this stupid “ risk taking.”

[@Cuthalu]

Some people are quick to forget how bad the double shield meta was. Never again. It's still horrible when it happens on mystery heroes.

[@pepekovallin]

​@@Cuthalu literally no one can forget double shields when people keep bringing it up, but you know what's crazy? Orisa doesn't have her shield anymore and her fortify got nerfed, and the only problem would be bap and brig sustaining whatever is behind the only 2 shields that aren't on a timer and a cooldown, the cc in overwatch 2 is much more manageable. A lot of problems ow1 had overwatch 2 literally solved and they didn't need to touche tanks at all, tanks can't live forever without healing, and if healing is so strong that no damage can pierce it, the simpler solution is to nerf healing, not taking a tank away and putting the entire Frontline responsibility in the hands of 1 player, if people hated ow1 ccs it got solved in ow2, if they hated orisa's shield and fortify, it got (mostly) solved in ow2, so why do they need to make only one tank? Queue times? Sorry but that's not working anymore because the queue times aren't getting better when people are quitting the game

[@zat1245]

6v6 was fun NEVER

[@clashingimages]

Easy double shield fix? Add a hero with shield passing abilities like old sym. Now it’s fixed.

[@chlve]

"Cause remember, all this stuff can be changed" indeed, 5v5 can indeed be changed ;)

[@laservolcanogaming6943]

6v6 would ruin the game

[@bambampewpew32]

@@laservolcanogaming6943 - an ow2 only player

[@morgle3811]

never happening

[@calus_bath_water]

​@@laservolcanogaming6943lol no

[@Velkin999]

Overwatch "Oh we'll give you pve and 5v5." "Ok no pve." "Ok the 5v5 was a mistake but it's too late to backpedal so we'll keep flipping levers." "Please continue to give us money despite this."

[@Gawu_]

I’ve been playing overwatch for years now and since playing OW2 overwatch 2 it’s tank design just doesn’t work. The core gameplay loop of tank is always going to be miserable to play or play against as long as there is either A. One tank soaking up all the damaging and exploding or B. Tanks being unkillable and no one else is having fun. I think it’s time to start testing some 6v6 changes…

[@bellingtoned]

THIS honestly it feels like they took a important gear out of a pretty decently working machine and are now just making the remaining gear bigger to make it work which doesn't really work

[@chlve]

It feels silly to call making 6v6 in ow2 an experiment when we have half a decade of ow1 to see that it was better tbh

[@CajunMusings]

to add to your comment.....these new upcoming changes will AMPLIFY the tank difference between teams. If one tank is say, 5% behind the other tank (define as you will)...how is dps and support supposed to make up that 5%??? Its like dps/supports are playing the first two rounds in Family Fued...and tanks are the third round where points are tripled thus making the first two rounds...worthless

[@lavawingsplays1627]

Exactly. Through all the changes we’ve seen the gameplay loop has sucked through them all when 5v5 started.

[@kero6016]

There's is a reason why there was duo for all roles since the release of ow, it is god damn obvious, game was based around that for both roles

[@chrisraijin5925]

Just bring back 2 tank gameplay.

[@kero6016]

Unless they can find a real solution to make solo tank viable, they should just go back to duo tanks, there's a reason why the game in the first place startex with a duo fo every role for god damn sake, it is obvious I've been a tank main since OW released and this is how I feel about this subject all this time

[@Ryshaad]

​@@kero6016 I went from tank main in OW1 and flexing other times as well, to completely avoiding tank AND healer in OW2. I loved tanking in OW1. Majority of the time I would play Rein, Sigma, and occasionally Hog and LOVED having a tank partner. The self balancing between tank teammates was pretty good on average

[@iAmNothingness]

Yeeeah double shiiield wueeeeeee. Make it 4 shield tanks. Lets goo!

[@Yea___]

​@@iAmNothingness what double shields? Rein and ram? Sig and mauga ult? Orisa sig was the only problem. You just have no idea what we are talking about

[@saerenVT]

@@iAmNothingnessthe problem with double shield was an unkillable back line of bap & brig..

[@BeginsWithTheEnd]

I doubt Bobby had literally anything to do with game balance when he was around. He only cared about monetization

[@ranjnijan3446]

It wasn’t. Team 4 have always been the delusional problem

[@Killstone12]

It's kinda funny how the entire reason for OW2 was originally to mix PVP and PVE (Which got scrapped) and the change from 6v6 to 5v5 due to queue times. However from what's been happening since the start of it's release it sounds more and more likely that they might revert it from 5v5 to 6v6 and just delete the 2 in front of it bringing it back to just Overwatch LMAO. The literal only difference between the two games (barring new gamemodes/heros) is that loot boxes got changed to a battlepass cuz of monetary reasons if they revert it back.

[@laservolcanogaming6943]

6v6 is a terrible idea

[@asimplewizard]

​@@laservolcanogaming6943only because it would mess up the pro scene. Gameplay-wise it would save the game. Double shield can be fixed. They just didn't because they spent two years "working" on PVE. CounterWatch can't be.

[@bambampewpew32]

@@asimplewizard why would it mess up the pro scene? moving FROM 6v6 to 5v5 made a huge mess in the pro scene, because every team had to drop a player.. but moving back would be better, they could find new people or maybe even bring back the old ones if they're still around lol I agree with the rest though, gameplay wise it'd so much more enjoyable, coming from a dps/support/tank enjoyer (all roles lol)

[@asimplewizard]

@@bambampewpew32 that's not quite true though, but I see where your coming from. I hate 5v5 but it absolutely revitalized the pro scene, just not OWL which has been dead for 5 years. Tank is the least played role and the role that demands the most from players. Teams historically had tons of trouble filling team slots at 6v6. If 16 teams are playing, that's 16 additional pro-level people you need just to play a single tournament. It was much harder to organize lan events as well. The pro scene is dependant on 5v5. If it goes to 6v6 we lose roughly half the teams instantly. Especially since theres less money flowing to OW esports nowadays.

[@bambampewpew32]

@@asimplewizard ah well I guess you have a point there but owl died anyways so I guess it doesn't matter lmao I just want the game to be more enjoyable casually honestly, that's what made ow1 so perfect to me, VERY casually enjoyable, but you could get super deep into grinding ranked and grinding certain hard characters (I learned genji lol)

[@blublu6841]

Just bring 6v6 back geezzz

[@_bomu_]

JUST. ADD. A SECOND. TANK!

[@laservolcanogaming6943]

It would ruin the game

[@LordScrumpus]

​@@laservolcanogaming6943 Playerbase already ruined the game for eachother long ago. Might as well make it feel less aggravating like Tf2 with more players going wild on big maps instead of the sweat-fest it currently is with 5v5 taking turns rolling eachother every engagement of every game.

[@bambampewpew32]

@@LordScrumpus FOR REAL, having more players means less stress, just naturally, by design, that's also funny you say that cause I literally learned that from a TF2 video lmfao

[@zat1245]

We tried that. It sucked.

[@bambampewpew32]

@@zat1245 no it didn't lmao orisa sigma sucked

[@PlagueDoc47]

Bring back October 2020 6v6

[@mormegil84]

I'm partial to 2018 dive meta.

[@ravagedcore131]

6v6 2 tanks is what we need

[@Benjamin_Gilbert-Lif]

ALL that “RISK” and they can’t be bothered to just make the game 6v6 again! The game has never felt like overwatch since the change to 5v5, if i wanted to play valorant id play valorant I miss overwatch where tanks were TANKS

[@giuseppevaccaro7521]

6v6 is not a good Idea lol

[@Gawu_]

@@giuseppevaccaro7521 what’s ur argument against 6v6?

[@evildarc0]

The main reason I left was this.

[@Malxer]

@@giuseppevaccaro7521 6v6 made Overwatch GOTY in 2016. It was miles better than this madness.

[@CJ-bz7yg]

@@giuseppevaccaro7521i bet you never played ow1 and just knew what ow was when it became free to play lmao get out of here you and all those people jumping from free to play to another free to play game giving takes like yall think you can give opinions on something you never played or experienced (watching gameplay doesnt mean you were part of it 😂😂😂😂) WE NEED 6v6 BACK. SUPPORTS AND DPS DONT KNOW THE STRUGGLE IT IS TO PLAY TANK IN THIS GAME. GIVE US OUR TANK PARTNER.

[@hellodannifay]

Why do they not just create a 4th class of “ off tank “ or a tank sub class of “off tank” for role? That way double shield isn’t a thing or 2 off tanks isn’t a thing anymore? I really do feel like 6v6 felt more balanced but just could have used some tweaks..

[@grantcramer6404]

Ngl I haven't seen anyone bring up this idea before but that sounds like a damn good fix in my opinion! If they do some changes to a few tanks to make them more main or off tank and then just add more tanks to the game in general that could be a great improvement to the game as a whole tbh.

[@KickinUpDust024]

This is actually a good idea. Too bad they either wont see it, or wont listen. Thus is the way of OW.

[@Kandiski]

Counterswap is the real problem, and its not fixable in 5v5. We can double the HP decrese every cooldown on tanks by 3 seconds, u still have to swap a dva vs zarya, rein vs orisa etc

[@Decibel00288]

6v6.

[@milo4075]

This doesn't change counterswapping mind if you are still playing ur gonna have to swap 99% of the time

[@GaaraFPS]

And that will continue to happen as long as we have 5v5 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@laservolcanogaming6943]

There is counterswapping on every role every game, people hyper focus on it for tanks

[@milo4075]

@@laservolcanogaming6943 now it's even forced more with the tank changes lol

[@asimplewizard]

​@@laservolcanogaming6943because the problem is EXTREMELY bad on tank. Like, you've played tank, right?

[@bambampewpew32]

@@laservolcanogaming6943 "people hyper focus on it for tanks" yes this is the problem lol there were always counters in ow1, just not full on HARD HARD counters

[@queckers]

If Mystery Heroes can get its own spot on the Quickplay roster, I don't see why 6v6 can't.

[@austinmcmahan6267]

this rein gameplay gave me multiple aneurysms

[@AzureRoxe]

It's Stylosa, he plays like garbage and gets carried pretty much every time.

[@bobothebob4716]

Why? It's qp and he's probably just goofing off. My evidence? No one plays tank in comp because i have 12 minute queues on supp and dps these days.

[@mattey456]

@@AzureRoxehe solo q T500 stay mad in bronze

[@doctorfunk7959]

I was gonna say something like this too. I enjoy the commentary but my God this Rein gameplay had me shaking my fist at the sky.

[@Theblackprogressive1911]

@@mattey456did he? Can you link the video where he did? I’m genuinely interested

[@Dr.Mango24]

Everyday I put in the OW1 disk and it goes to OW2 and I die inside. That is not the game I want to play.

[@jrdtan96]

Just bring back 6v6.. tank synergy was the main reason people played the role in ow1

[@pizzashaman]

The problem in 5v5 is every fight is both tanks shooting each other and front lining rather than trying to make creative plays. Without an off tank, the fights become incredibly mundane, counter swapping is required, and you can't play the hero you want to have fun; you can't cover up each tanks weaknesses with cooldown and value tweaks for their abilities.

[@laservolcanogaming6943]

This is incorrect unless you’re hard stuck gold

[@milesgomez8253]

If your Doom or Winston is shooting Orisa the entire game on a big map they are actively throwing

[@duckseatbread104]

Tanks don't make plays? A good tank shiuld be a playmaker and create space for the dps/supports regardless of 6v6/5v5 format. I do it all the time and have done so since ow1

[@bambampewpew32]

@@laservolcanogaming6943 ??? I mean it can be in gold, but gold in ow1 was way more interesting, that wasn't true in gold in ow1

[@gi1kxsy908]

the removal of the off tank is also partly the reason for supports being so overpowered in ow2, i mean they have always been overpowered but without an off tank supports can get away with so much and theres rarely a dva to eat cooldowns and punish bad positioning. Not to mention they even stated they had to give some of the 2nd tanks power into supports so fights would last more than a second and Jeff stated they tried 5v5, 7v7, 8v8 ,4v4, so many types and only 6v6 worked thats why they chose it.

[@hrakhor1783]

Conclusions from these buffs are that 6vs6 needs to be brought back.

[@forestw785]

Sounds like a couple tank mythics are coming to me

[@Helixlucorum]

Blizzard really wants to die on the 5v5 hill. It's never gonna feel good with 1 tank, but Blizzard refuses to even talk 6v6 bc it's their only excuse for releasing a sequel. Which is an oxymoronic - the sequal is just.. less players?? Anyway, the game will have to lose a lot of players and money before they start to realize 5v5 just doesn't work.

[@thelastone0001]

I garentee if they just added a 6v6 mode then there would be a lot of returning players

[@coldshock5181]

Not really, no one wants to play some badly balanced 6v6 mode in arcade. It's either they go all in and change the core gameplay to 6v6 and balance double shield or not

[@PlagueDoc47]

W pfp bro

[@milo4075]

You realize double shield cannot happen orisa been reworked and on top of that sigma ram cannot cycle shields like double shield and rein sigma is a terrible comp

[@Zodiac.]

Double shield doesn’t exist in the oppressive way that it did before. This is a non-issue now

[@zat1245]

Not really. You guys are not as large as you think.

[@StormofCrows69]

No amount of damage or survivability they give to tanks will let them do two things at once. That was the whole point of two tanks.

[@MK-mm7ui]

Until 6v6 returns, im out

[@SpaceCowBoyRay]

Same man

[@heiko2255]

Same, but i already quit in like S4 or S5 5v5 just aint overwatch, its a Lite version, a deathmatch, if 6v6 returns ill grind daily again

[@117N7_]

Problem is they turned tanks into a stronger damage which is very dumb they should go back to 6v6 thats the only way it would be better balanced

[@PainxSorrow]

6v6 Marvels rivals got our backs 🙏🏾

[@jame8618]

doubt, its blizzard at the end of the day and they cant balance for shit. i prefer 6v6 but im not gonna pretend it was a utopia. It had its own set of very frustrating issues too

[@liminalcriminal_]

@@jame8618they can balance. The new balance team is fine. If they existed in OW1 the stuff people were bitching about on 6v6 would be solved in 3 months

[@jame8618]

@@liminalcriminal_ imma be honest i doubt. im not trying to be negative but they still do changes no one asked for. Its blizz culture across all their games

[@93Chowo]

Wasn´t a reason players didn´t enjoy tanks in OW because most of the time they were just holding the line with a shield? The fact that tanks can now do more besides protecting makes them more interesting in my opinion. The devs stated that thy want tanks to feel more like brawlers but also having ways of protecting teammates but that still doesn´t mean you should depend on your tank all the time just like you wouldn´t depend on your support all the time to keep yourself alive.

[@deyeti]

It increasingly feels like Blizzard is just refusing to bring back 6v6 on principle. They have been trying to sell 5v5 since OW2 was announced and now they are so invested in making 5v5 real that they won’t do the right thing. On top of all of that, the 5v5 is the last shred of justification they had for calling this game a sequel and so if they revert back to 6v6 I’m sure they will see that as conceding what everyone has said all along about this game.

[@93Chowo]

Even if they would have done what they had planned with having OW and OW2 exist side by side they said that PvP-Changes would be shared between those two versions so there is a good chance they would have done 5v5 nontheless. I personally just see OW"2" as a glorified update as there isn´t enough new content to be called a sequel but still they change things about the core gameplay to keep it interesting which I welcome because some players might get bored by the same game without any major updates.

[@deyeti]

@@93Chowo OW2 is absolutely just a glorified update to the game. When it was first announced, and specifically with regards to PVE, it was justifiably a sequel. But as more and more got cut and even more was reverted back to the way it was in OW1 all that remains is the 5v5 format and the monetization changes. They are so dead set on keeping 5v5 that they will bend over backwards to keep it and attempt anything other than going back to 6v6 because then they would have truly lost the debate on OW2 being a true sequel.

[@zat1245]

@@deyetiYou realize all a “2” is in a game is a major update right? When a game like this gets a “2” it represents a v2.0 update.

[@MofoMan2000]

When this patch crashes and burns, I hope Blizzard learn their lesson that 5v5 just isn't the way this game should go. Problem is, they keep digging themselves in deeper with these tanks designed for 5v5 and changes trying to make them more fun/interesting to play, they're gonna have a huge balance and design hole to dig themselves out of to balance things properly again.

[@Dr.Mango24]

Brawl tanks are fine as long as there are 2 of them. One is not enough to protect the team.

[@discretfallen8082]

They took junkrat's dive style from us, which was the skillful part of him, and with this changes they really want to bring spamrat back.

[@MutatedAmerican]

So if I'm getting this right: Anyone doing less than 17 per pellet will notice a difference as they will be doing less damage to armored heroes. And if anyone is doing less than 50 per pellet will notice a difference as they will be doing less damage to armored heroes SPECIFCALLY ON HEADSHOT! Here is my math equation for reference: For body: x - 0.3x = x - 5 For headshot: x-0.30x = (x-5)-0.25x If this is all done correctly, then heroes like Tracer will lose on both ends, Zen/Baptiste will win in body shots/lose to headshots, Cassidy will win on both ends

[@thejunkmanlives]

the problem is the original design philosophy of making swapping core to the game, this is how you end you with so much of the cast tossed aside which not only hurts the game but takes away one of the games biggest strengths which is the characters themselves. the approach needs to be closer to a fighting game. you'll always have good/bad match ups but you should be able to play through it using skill/knowledge(and team work) as opposed to be totally locked out and forced to swap.

[@MutatedAmerican]

Based on review, this is going to effect tanks a variety of ways, some more than others; it even nerfs other tanks as well. Here's my thoughts: - Headshot/Knockback reduction: All of the tanks benefit from this change, however this will truly benefit rushing tanks versus poking tanks. And in particular with the headshots, those with bigger hitboxes and are more prone to headshots will greatly benefit from the changes (Doomfist = small, Ball = small, Winston = big, Mauga = small, D.va = MASSIVE, Roadhog = big, Junker Queen = small, Sigma = small, Rein = big, Ram = small, Zarya = small, Orisa = N/A due to Fortify) - Armor changes (and imo the biggest change): If what I am reading is correct and not wrongly interpreted, then that means that, based on my math, anyone doing less than 17 per pellet will notice a difference as they will be doing less damage to armored heroes. As such, Tracer, Bastion's turret form, and Reaper will suffer. Yet, burst heroes like Widow, Cass, and even Hanzo will feel like they got a damage buff against armor. So in turn, we will have to wait for that. HOWEVER, when focusing on tanks specifically, that's where we something interesting when involving the tank vs tank battle: (Doomfist = Nerf to shotgun, Ball = Nerf to cannons, Winston = N/A as Tesla cuts through armor, Mauga = nerf to gatling even with fire critical, D.va = nerf to cannons, Roadhog = nerf to shotgun, Junker Queen = nerf to shotgun, Sigma = No effect to his high damaging balls, Rein = N/A to high powered hammer, Ram = nerf to rod, Zarya = on average it's N/A, Orisa = nerf to gatling) And to when it comes to all those nerfed, only a few can truly say they were nerfed (Doomfist = prioritize others, Ball = prioritize others, Mauga = PRIORITIZES TANKS, D.va = prioritize others, Roadhog = PRIORIZES TANKS unless aiming for one shots, Junker Queen = prioritize others, Ram = can flex, though tends to prioritize others, Orisa = PRIORIZES TANKS) So in general, while I can't say what it will end up being overall, we may see tanks that prioritizes on the enemy tank to suffer the most versus all in tanks. Who knows? Maybe Rein can actually fight against an Orisa now? - Healing changes: This makes sense as it now feels like the passive will be effective for all roles, and not just 2 out of the 3. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it was nerfed after some time. *edit: I rewrote this entry for a better idea on what I was trying to convey in more detail

[@ShockCombo]

A well thought out and considered take. What are you doing here??

[@MutatedAmerican]

@@ShockCombo Oh sorry, my bad. Let me try this: TANKS BAD BECAUSE PLAYER BAD! ME NO LIKE! TANK STAY SAME! GENJI OP! ME ANGY!

[@ShockCombo]

@@MutatedAmerican Better!

[@wizzzer1337]

Blizzard is trying to make a chicken out of a feather

[@shesholdingcorn]

I main Tank but its a pain. I played open queue revently and im convinced it should go back to 6v6 or have two tanks 1 dps

[@iDominic360]

I don’t play tank but would it be too op for Rein to keep frenzy swing passive from mirror watch?

[@nicoslayer]

as a hog player, the main problem for tanks is definitely counter swapping. i pop off pretty much every game first fight and IMMEDIATELY they’re swapping to some combination of: orisa/mauga + ana + zen + reaper + sombra that’s what makes the tank’s life hell. not so much just getting headshot. it’s the fact that tanks can simply be oppressively counter-swapped to oblivion. couple that with tanks limited range of effectiveness + support and you have a very hard role to play.

[@pepekovallin]

Exactly, it won't matter how strong a tank can be, their counter will still counter them

[@nicoslayer]

@@pepekovallin season 9 mauga and orisa were ALREADY a nightmare to kill. i really don’t think making those two characters EVEN MORE tanky will be good for the game.

[@therhetorician4683]

Why not have damage done by DPS & Supports reduced, while damage from Tanks is normal? I don't think that reducing headshot damage alone + self healing buff is enough to propel the Tank role into being that major offensive/defensive force in game like we had before with 2 tanks

[@avariciousgaming1695]

Id be interesting in seeing if the playerbase would like the format to rotate. Test 6v6 and maby even 7v7 in Arcade/experimental. Then have 5v5 and 6v6 rotate every 2 seasons or so if successful/enjoyed. Personally i would enjoy that.

[@DrChompChomp]

Been playing Overwatch since Day 1. Over the years I've become a tank main and I gotta say... This is rad. I'm always going to want to go back to 6v6 but if they're going to insist on 5v5 then buffing tanks like this is definitely the move. It should feel asymmetrical! Make tanks scary! Make them intoxicating to play and then watch queue times shift. Bam.

[@bambampewpew32]

bam you called

[@krisdang]

Sure gigabuff one role and make the others feel like shit. That would make a video game fun.

[@user-tl1sz5xs7l]

Sure let the enemy tank player be able to tank 4 players on your team and obliterate them while the tank player on your team is trying to do the same to the enemy team and support/dps on both teams end up being miserable.

[@DrChompChomp]

​@@krisdang Why would that feel like shit? Asymmetrical gameplay is fun. It would just shift the dynamic to "Keep your tank alive" and "Kill the enemy tank." Sounds like an interesting dynamic.

[@DrChompChomp]

@@user-tl1sz5xs7l Ok but if the enemy tank can tank 4 players then yours can too. Supports have a focal point (support the tank) and Damage have a focal point (kill enemy tank). Feels like, if anything, this would just bring more focus to the game.

[@rolid5963]

i didn't have the money for ow 1 sadly but they should make an option like to choose you want to play 5v5 or 6v6 and if people like 6v6 more than 5v5 then leave both even in competitive this would be a good move too!!!

[@moik1638]

Could this be also an indirect buff to Phara and Junkrat not being affected by two out of three of these buffs?

[@madcapsymphony1064]

Won't Mauga get nerfed by 25% against other tanks now with the headshot damage changes? Or are they going to code his crits vs burning damage separately from headshot crits?

[@Anonymous-lv4di]

Weird that they looked at tank and didn't reduce the ult charge after swap

[@sharpenmysight5954]

Honestly i’m gonna get my Lifeweaver Highlight intro then I’m not coming back until they add the second tank back

[@sashamacritchie2427]

Tank is the least played role by far? Is that taking into account that the other roles are putting up twice the numbers every game?

[@Kuzon9]

I dont hate 5v5 but im just a QP player, but actually making roles for main tank and off tank could work as long as only main tanks had barriers. It would allow tank synergy while avoiding double barriers.

[@lazypaladin]

Do you know what would be Blizzards _actual_ biggest gamble? *_Dropping Overwatch 2!_*

[@Omar-mv6mi]

Imagine a world where blizzard admit they fucked up, swallow their pride and just go back to 6v6.

[@lck_me3037]

People say they want 6v6, but if bliz did make the game 6v6 again, not only would we need even more changes to the current balance of the game, but those same people would complain about it cause it would only enforce the agenda of "overwatch 2 is just overwatch 1.5" Blizzard will never go back to 6v6 because it would hurt the company and make them seem even more incompetent w their choices

[@IsThatKris]

Petition for a 6v6 LTM just so we can prove it’s superior to 5v5 in every single way?

[@alexanderjackson7948]

As someone who only got into the game competitively with OW2, it's a little frustrating that I can play open queue but not 6v6.

[@immoplays9587]

i have uninstalled overwatch 2 two times by now. first time two weeks after release of ow 2 cuz tey massacred my dps doomfist and removed the second tank and then four moths ago i reinstalled to check if its still bad but uninstalled after one month again. I really liked overwatch 1. i had over 4,5k hours in it with all 3 pc accounts combined. not counted the endless hours of playing at the house of friends playstations.

[@Wizard_Level_1]

Incremental buffs over the last few years haven't gotten them where they want to be, so I think these larger changes that they can then dial down might help them get there instead.

[@Zack-hd3uh]

gotta love the tank balance at 2:07

[@Dobbysfree]

There is one thing I have never understood about the decision to go 5v5 - if the issue was double shield, why not remove the SHIELDS

[@timothyholliday5289]

Make a 6v6 arcade mode to test it out at least

[@MichaelHawk42069]

Single tank is flawed by design. It limits the variety of viable tanks and forces the tank player to pick their hero based on their team’s needs rather than what they’re good at. Having an entire team fight hinge on a single player is not a good design. No amount of buffs is going to fix that. I think these changes may have an opposite effect actually. When your team’s tank falls, the enemy tank is now nearly unkillable. This will only make the team’s reliance on their tank even more apparent.

[@RiderOfKarma]

They’re buffing tank regen, but honestly I never usually see the Tank get their regen activated unless the fights over.

[@vapesog232]

Worries me cause I'm a hanzo main that was never really worried about Winston diving me because I've gotten good saving my storm arrows bursting him before he gets me but now headshots may not do enough and I might have to adjust my dps gaming

[@realdeadbeatdad]

I hear people talking about how they want 6v6 back but when i go on twitter theres never people talking about it in their comments

[@badgeow8538]

As a former t500 Overwatch player in OW1 and OW2 I played tank in OW1 because of the off tank role and in OW2 I never play tank because it feels awful.

[@CharlieBrown-bh2pq]

guys lets just rework the game over and over and over, surely it will work at some point

[@coreyberg7823]

Feels like increasing tank power won’t change anything and will only incentivizes counter swapping even more, specifically from the other roles. Don’t see a world where you can ever win against certain tanks without swapping once this patch goes live. Have fun trying to play into a wrecking ball (who’s pretty difficult to kill already), as any hero besides hog sombra cass or brig. Taking less damage with armor changes as well as healing 65 HEALTH PER SECOND (including shields) for just existing behind cover is absolutely disgusting and will 100% not fix what makes tanking unfun.

[@coreyberg7823]

bring 6v6 back btw

[@KeiraLunar]

you can weaken , stretnthen the tank as much as you like they need to accpet 5v5 is a FLOP just bring back 6v6

[@welsha08]

Tanks do need some love but this may be a step too far. I love that Blizzard are willing to take risks like this now and hopefully through making big changes like this they can find the sweet spot. Let’s face it, none of us have the answer to the tank dilemma so let Blizzard cook.

[@AlexFrank02]

God I miss 6v6 with how many new tank options there are now the synergies could be so fun! Imagine Doom Ball dive team 😈

[@PlainDoll]

Blizzard is trying everything but 6v6 beating around bush, the core of the issue, as always, same with nerfs, they just keep treating symptoms instead of the disease itself.

[@Pogal]

It should start at 25% less then slowly ramp up to 15% 10% 5% then even go 5% higher than before if they manage to hit the tank 5 times in the head quickly. Not necessarily in a row but in the timespan that they use for the multi kills or something. That way the tank is still punished for putting their head in someones crosshair but it's not as bad if they get one or two lucky shots off.

[@DRpepper1575]

I feel like blizzard have tried to fix tanks for the hundredth time now and nothing has changed

[@WintonFan]

Does new armour fuck over hog m1?

[@joshuyaraidon]

So, in the director's take it's mentioned that tanks can feel like they are either unkillable or they go down too easy. Correct me if I'm wrong but, I didn't hear anything mentioned that would directly address the former issue...

[@TheLastEgg08]

They’ve been making these changes since season 1, we’re gonna enter season 11 and they still didn’t figure out how to design this game. Like wtf???

[@mattgeffery8577]

i think the problem is that the brawler tanks are just not fun and blizzard is convinced they are the way to go. Think about hog or orrisa or mauga metas. those are the designed to be brawler tanks. No one wants to play against those, with them or as them

[@jacksonwilliams5399]

I don’t know if tank is fixable. Every option has its own bad downsides. 1. Go back to 6v6- it’s only a bandaid solution. 6v6 was also rough for tanks and most of the tanks would need a rework to work in 6v6. I don’t think we want ramattra and mauga on the same team. Also queue times would shoot up for everyone that isn’t tank. Thanks. It an irrelevant part of the change. Tank used to be the role you play if you want to instantly get into a game. It isn’t the bandaid solution people think it is as much as I miss my fellow tank players on my team. 2. This option- it would likely feel better to play tank. But the fundamental problems wouldn’t be resolved considering the most pressure is still on one tank. And we can’t really reduce the pressure without reducing impact, which if tank stops being impactful, the problem of queue times come back again.

[@jame8618]

i do miss 6v6 and theres pros and cons of both. It is interesting though when people flat out say 6v6 alone will fix everything forgetting that tank was usually just a miserable in that format too. Its a shame when they do bring back 6v6 theyll definitely have to nerf tanks or the role will be way to overpowered and dps wont have a use.

[@GratiaVOD]

I liked 6v6 when shield Orisa and Sigma weren't doing the bunker comp.

[@hexia6760]

I haven't played in months, and don't ever plan on returning. However if we got 6v6 again(which we won't), I have no doubt I'd be all over this game once again.

[@SilverShadow1617]

I know it’s probably easier said than done, but wouldn’t the best move be just to bring back 6v6? I don’t play much tank, but I have friends who do and I think their biggest grievance lies in the rock paper scissors of the tank matchup where that isn’t much the case with the other roles because you have another teammate on that role that can help pick up the slack with their hero. If 6v6 isn’t as simple as flipping a switch, then maybe at least bring it back for one of those quick play hacked weekends just to see what happens, and then use the feedback to balance it for its reintroduction into the core of Overwatch.

[@LightCrasher]

So looks like this buff has defeated all purpose of removeing 1 tank in the first place. Now we will have the same kicking in the fat as it has been before.

[@gi1kxsy908]

i love how they just expect every tank to always be forcing point while also peeling supports while also taking space while forcing cooldowns and living, like 1 tank simply cannot do that and 1 tank gets hit by everything, anas nade and sleep along with discord hack etc.. were never that much of a problem when u had just 1 other tank to help even if it was just a dps player on hog.

[@specimenlarry6068]

I will only come back to overwatch if they bring back 6v6 and balance for 6v6, bonus points if you remove role lock.

[@jayyemm69]

What if they take "main tanks" and "Off tanks" into consideration and create a new role where certain tanks get pushed into, but they have health pools in between DPS and tanks. These would be off tanks and It would be for a 6 v 6 of course.

[@RiderZer0]

OW1 all they had to do is split the tank role to have off tank and main tank. Would have fixed the double shield meta. Off tank is essentially a beefy CC dps to peel, and main tank to hold the front line.

[@bigboiberg2642]

I still don't understand why Blizzard always seems roll-out multiple buffs/nerfs at a time, like why not just one of the buffs and see what it does first? Same thing with the Orisa nerf, I understand she needed a nerf, but they gave her like 3+, now I feel like they'll just end up reverting one next patch or give her a slight buff to some other ability.