Overwatch vs Battleborn (Zero Punctuation)

[@mattiatorX]

Man that bit about Overwatch being a "game you temporarily own until the servers shut down" was bang on.

[@ArcaneAzmadi]

Well no shit, did you think they were going to sustain Overwatch forever? Sure, Valve have done it with TF2, but this is _Activision Blizzard,_ did you really think they WOULDN'T leap on the opportunity to throw away everything you already paid them for to make you buy it all again but worse?

[@kelpermoon23]

@@ArcaneAzmadi valve has community servers so it won’t ever get shut down

[@XperimentorEES]

It's almost like the system of 'games as a service' has been a well known problem for decades before overwatch was even invented, but it wasn't until the major publicity stupidity that brought it to mind for the average gamer.

[@djcustoms6637]

And now overwatch 2 you have to pay to play the heroes. Want to team up and sync your attacks. Tough pay us or do 50 casual matches while scratching down there

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

Overwatch: "Quick match will put you in a game with players near your skill." That's a dirty lie

[@0x777]

The game just sees you with the eyes of an Italian mother. You know the kind, the one who thinks their son is a god.

[@ryanjones_rheios]

@@0x777 One that then realizes you've "joined the family business" and now you've broken her heart and she doesn't want to see you in any danger ever so she chains you to a bed. Only she has dementia and keeps switching between the two at seemingly neurotic intervals and for reasons sometimes vastly outside your control.

[@FizzleFX]

Ranked does duh

[@UltimaPowers]

Its "Quickplay" you philistine.

[@TheTwilitHero]

Graymane, or Battleborn?

[@rustyshovel7179]

..exactly what I thought when I first heard of battleborn.

[@JarloftheNorth]

Graymane

[@a.nonymous5004]

+Jarlof theNorth I second that

[@dovienya737]

FUS-RO-DAH!!!!!!!!

[@connorllewellyn6289]

whoever pays the most

[@siguanabo69]

The most devastating thing I learned from this review, which Yahtzee so, so briefly touched on, was the fact that Battleborn came out BEFORE Overwatch and the former is considered the cheap Pepsi to the latter's Coke. Goes to show what good marketing can do for ya game...

[@Axl4325]

Overwatch's marketing was so aggressive that even Paladins, which started showcasing development before Overwatch even had a trailer, was called a chinese ripoff. Go figure

[@cartoonraccoon2078]

@@Axl4325 Yeah, we got buried under that Blizzard and never had a chance.

[@formorian5]

@@Axl4325 There's making a game first, and making a game right. Blizzard games are never the first of their kind, but they ARE some of the best. Starcraft defined the RTS genre, Diablo is one of the best dungeon crawlers, and of course WoW reinvented MMOs. Even Hearthstone is one of the most popular online card games. The only time they stumbled was HotS, the competition from LoL was just too stiff. Who cares which of the multiplayer hero shooters was made first? Overwatch is popular because it's GOOD.

[@steponkusceponas4085]

Reminds me of the "Marshmello is from fortnite" jokes

[@CatThatLostHisHat]

Hydrox came before Oreos.

[@anotherpersonfromnorfolk1587]

"Everyone has to be unlocked from the start, otherwise it'd be like having to unlock one of the wheels on your car" Well this aged well

[@InchonDM]

They even fucking relocked characters who not only had been there from the start, but who had _their own dedicated marketing material, including several of the ornate animated trailers._ It's a fucking pisstake.

[@jimzawacki3041]

Call me old school but I prefer Hat Trading Simulator 2

[@terner1234]

Yeah

[@luigivercotti6410]

It even has good characters, my word

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

One of the best shooter games ever

[@jonah_da_mann]

5:11 - I love that cameo from Jeffrey Cuddletrousers.

[@TheHaHaNinja]

I think that we can all agree that Bloodborne is the superior game

[@peardude8979]

No doubt about it. I should know, I've not played any them.

[@00WhiteBlade]

If you like wandering around for hours. I'd rather play Eurotruck Simulator.

[@kalgore4906]

how to spot a casual gamer 101

[@Zerpderp0]

+00WhiteBlade Eurotruck is for n00bs, it's all about Hearts of Iron 4: Battle truck simulator.

[@stevencleere4912]

all of you are wrong. It's all about Spintires.

[@vlorenzosoleri]

I'll say one thing about this review, it gave me a new perspective in overwatch's character design. Yahtzee is right, what the hell was I thinking... these characters have cookie cutter personalities up the ass. Not that there's anything wrong with that, Blizzard always had that comic-book-ish artistic style, but with everyone on the internet licking their balls for their "originality" I got oblivious to that fact

[@ComicMan9]

I think that's a bit hyperbolic, but I agree for the most part. If you take the game by itself. The comic books and cinematic trailers add a fair bit of depth to the characters that you wouldn't get just by playing the game. And while it shouldn't be counted for Blizzard, some of the comics people make about the characters gets you to appreciate the characters. Now if we were to compare it to Battleborn (just for the sake of the comparisons in the video and in the comments), Overwatch characters are easily more polished. Battleborn characters are all "wacky and totally crazy" generic Gearbox-style characters, and not the good ones. I personally like Marquis, but he's just a narratively-dumber version of Sir Hammerlock. Orendi is just a Borderlands Psycho enemy with magic, Shayne + Aurox an edgy teenager, Isic a stereotypical homicidal antagonist, et al.

[@lodestarrobot]

I think their cookiecutter personalities help them stand out, when you have 21 characters (and counting) it's important for them to not only play completely different but to be completely different characters to stand out. Which I think works well

[@vlorenzosoleri]

ComicMan9 yeah, it wasn't my intention to sound too high strung; then again we all know how hard it gets to communicate intent on a text comment. I just felt kind of dumb for not noticing something that's pretty obvious hehehe. About your response, Overwatch characters look polished because they are stereotypical, but since they are easily recognizable and distinct it adds flavor to the switching demanded by the game. I can't agree with you on the trailers though, they pretty much show them as they look in game, with a sprinkle of backstory, and I don't think the comic books should count as character development for game characters, they're more like something extra for the fans.

[@vlorenzosoleri]

lodestarrobot I kinda mixed my response to your comment in my last reply xD but I agree with you, from a more game design perspective it certainly adds a lot when you can relate the character design to its combat style. Again, it's fine to have generic stereotypes in a game so focused on mindless fun like Overwatch, I just felt dumb for falling prey to the hype xD

[@timothythetoolmantaylor1393]

+SrThompson Of course they're generic arch-types. D.VA is a South Korean professional gamer. Hanzo and Genji are honour stricken Japanese warriors, Mei is a Chinese climatologist. Torbjorn is a Swedish Engineer, Junkrat is a Mad Max inspired Australian. You get the point right? Each character is designed off of an ethnicity. It's not a racist thing, they've built the lore around a parallel earth where all have come together for a common cause. There's actually a LOT of lore in Overwatch, there's also quite a few heroes that aren't on the roster yet that are referenced throughout the maps. Also, I've played a lot of multiplayer shooters and none not even TF2 (I did like it) gripped me as much as Overwatch. Not due to hype, but due to the characters themselves, every single one of them I love playing but I'm also impressed by how dynamic they are, especially in dialogue when they subtly talk to each other, which though very subtle is pleasant when you witness it.

[@Totherphoenix]

"Erp... Overpriced" Classic hahahaha

[@Jamaleum]

You could sav the joke was priceless... but that would be wrong.

[@ricancira]

+Jamaleum #sav_the_joke

[@Totherphoenix]

***** you're right. i missed that opportunity haha

[@BelegaeraHithaeglir]

Exactly, Overwatch is $40 USD and all the micro-transactions are 100% cosmetic, so...

[@thediethrower1803]

+Oliver Lewis Not in Australia where the price is $70 for no good reason.

[@josephlinden1630]

Reinhardt and his big throbbing hammer isn't the masculine ideal?

[@Pattyobrien3]

I think junkrat is the masculine ideal with his insane laughter and pyrotechnics.

[@unhealthypills9069]

@@Pattyobrien3 I'm pretty sure I can think of someone with insane laughter and pyrotechnics... (the pyro)

[@exotoxicekat4915]

@@unhealthypills9069 okay? But they're clearly incredibly different if you aren't looking at even before the surface level...like air level if you were gonna make a moronic comparison you could have at least compared junkrat to demo

[@unhealthypills9069]

@@exotoxicekat4915 dude take a reference, I'm done with tf2 vs ow bullshit

[@exotoxicekat4915]

@@unhealthypills9069 That's not a reference, that's a comparison and 90% of the people who compare tf2 to overwatch say that it "copied it" forgive me for taking what you said to its natural conclusion based upon the history of the 2 games

[@zachsands8869]

Honestly, his bit on them taking on clones of eachother is what turns me away from games like Overwatch, Battleborn, LoL, etc. In the case of Overwatch, they set up specific characters to be the "good guys and bad guys," and add tension and bonds with other characters, all to just throw it away and say that they're either with them or against them. At least TF2 had the wisdom to just say, "Yeah, they're pretty much the same people, just Red and Blu.

[@hazmatbp]

I'm not sure how you'd want this "problem" with Overwatch to be fixed, but I do agree that some of the story has to be sacrificed for the sake of gameplay

[@adius256]

@@hazmatbp by sticking with the original premise for the game back when it was only known as 'project titan'

[@hazmatbp]

@@adius256 what, you mean having set characters for each team, so 50% of the time you won't be able to play the character you want?

[@milton_foward]

Valorant tho

[@goldenhorde6944]

What really pisses me the hell off is how they had some unique dialogue lines between specific combinations of characters that hinted at a much larger and darker story, like how Mercy might actually be responsible for Reaper's condition or Ana might be 76's ex and stuff like that but the moment the creators heard all of the fans speculating about it online they went and declared all in-game interactions non-canon. Like WTF if it's not canon to the game then why would you put it in the game?!? I'm usually a pretty big opponent of Death of the Author but in a situation like this you have absolutely nobody to blame but yourself if people start misinterpreting the story.

[@NoahWeisbrod]

LOL at all the Overwatch fans ranting in the comments. What more do you want? He said that Overwatch obviously wins the contest. It's a $40 game sold for $60 ($70 AUS) on console. You have to admit that's overpriced.

[@NoahWeisbrod]

***** Most probably play on PC, so they paid $40, a reasonable price.

[@SapphireDragon357]

Yahtzee also didn't mention that Battleborn originally cost $60 as well, but had to lower their price to $40 to try and compete with Overwatch.

[@NoahWeisbrod]

SapphireDragon357 Operative word is "try." They failed.

[@UnNuclear]

I don't think it's overpriced. All future content will be free and Blizzard makes good on delivering updates and content. Call me a fanboy or whatever, but that's simply my opinion.

[@I-Roy]

+UnNuclear Fanboy for speaking the truth? You are completely right. OW costs only 40$ and comes with all future updates, patches, characters and maps. There are micro transactions but they are entirely optional and don't change the gameplay one bit.

[@EarFarce4]

Solution:Buy neither, get Doom.

[@TheGrayMysterious]

I second that notion

[@shippouma121]

Best solution.

[@SuspiciousScout]

Maybe if you like Single player, but definitely not multiplayer.

[@mintybadger9908]

Way ahead you

[@TrentMathewsTSM]

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM on you.

[@PewPew_McPewster]

Thanks for calling the Overwatch character designs out on their game Yahtzee, I was starting to think everyone had missed the memo on that.

[@lewis9574]

Overwatch is like cocaine, one more match, one more match

[@BaronSterling]

One more m-- Oh shit it's three in the morning.

[@venkatchait007]

overwatch, not even once :)

[@mrmonti620]

Playing Overwatch is like taking cocaine, getting the POtG in Overwatch is like taking every addictive drug in existence. Including caffeine.

[@gazirelseiryuu7229]

i played the beta, i was bored after 10 minutes. Although cocaine didnt do anything either for me.

[@venkatchait007]

Gazirel Seiryuu same here actually.

[@Sameji]

Battleborn - MOBA Overwatch - TF2 TF2 - Still fun, surprisingly

[@samponcho3412]

doesn't surprise me at all

[@printidle6927]

Or you could just save 40-60 dollar for over watch, and get tf2 for free...

[@cpttacoman9909]

why would I want a shitty unbalanced game because I'm too much an entitled cheap prick to pay for quality items?

[@cpttacoman9909]

leroy shane "If I remember correctly" right not even a legit solid claim to whether it's actually balanced. It's not, random crits is one of the major things in the game that makes it not balanced some with weapons such as the black box and the damn Pyro Reserve shooter. Many other weapons and items that are ridiculous cheese.

[@cpttacoman9909]

leroy shane Assuming I get my ass kicked in TF2? It's literally cheese half the time, most Demos never actually use launchers they just use insta-gib charge attack melee, Pyros always use degreaser and spam air blasts, Soldiers always seem to use the regen health black box. It's not bad? Have you even played the game in recent? It's so bad to the point of which the community is barren as fuck. Why don't you actually look up shit rather than pull the cop-out shit mate.

[@eurodraco]

Oh no...Now I can't unsee it... Overwatch characters are just focus groups appeasers.

[@danielsjohnson]

@@Bacxaber Maybe it was because I was one of the groups those characters were aimed at. I didn't realize it until now.

[@RacingSnails64]

eurodraco Only Mei and Zarya look like straight-up pandering to me (though I still can appreciate their stories). And some heroes are indeed stereotypical like Soldier 76, Mccree, Genji and Hanzo, Junkrat and Roadhog maybe...but cliches aren't "bad," just familiar. And other than those, it just seems like a diverse cast to me. So many different countries and genders are represented and it doesn't feel forced to me, surprisingly. Every character has a backstory to them that makes them just that little bit deeper which I highly appreciate. Characters like Tracer, Ana, Baptiste, and Sigma are honestly just solid characters.

[@friendlyneighborhoodcrusad4242]

“So many different countries and *genders*” I dont know about you man, but at the time of writing this, im seeing like, 2 genders. I cant see any characters saying that they dont identify as a guy or a lady, so i wouldn’t say there are that many different genders being represented. Be aware that i am not against the idea of a trans/nonbinary person being introduced in the game, and that i am not opposed to the diverse cast of characters.

[@simple-commentator-not-rea7345]

It's terrifying, because now I know I'm gonna be viewed as a child minded simpleton for lunch king these characters whereas obsessing over TF2 characters will be seen as a badge of honour. Already I miss the times when praising the writing for those characters was considered weird and obsessive

[@jamesstanley792]

Weridly even with all the background information, I still don’t find the characters all that interesting on account of how slow the story has moved thus far and how arbitrary and pointless most of the developments within it are.

[@Rebellions]

I never thought I would see a reaction like this again. The last time I saw baby rage in the comments this hard was when he shat on "The Last of Us" I wonder if this will finally beat out Brawl in terms of people flinging shit at Yahtzee for not agreeing with the majority?

[@kadebrockhausen]

It's kinda funny he mentions how Overwatch feels focus tested and perfectly diverse to fill a quota WHEN IT LITERALLY WAS LMAO

[@DMX-PAT]

2:38 I agree with that statement to an unfathomable degree...well said!!

[@DarkSignal...]

I've agreed with that statement when it was discussed in depth over at Ross's Game Dungeon. It's nice to know that Yahtzee also called attention to this predatory and outright fraudulent practice, because clearly there isn't enough.

[@VraccasVII]

Good old Video Game Jesus and his dungeon, a true classic of this site. Love to see his efforts mentioned.

[@jex-the-notebook-guy1002]

I miss it too. And as for console vs PC. PC = Play by yourself at home or with friends that have more PC's nearby. Console = Play with your friends on the couch instead of chairs. Verdict: console = social PC = antisocial

[@nannerdunlocke1231]

There'll eventually be a law about online multiplayers have to have a single player element to it after the Great Entertainment Industry Recession happens, in which a massive bubble in the entertainment system pops and tanks chunks of profit with it, making the top executives panic and force the lackies to shut down servers permanetly to preserve their own money, making all those online micropayments those players spent on worthless as the reality smacks them in the face.

[@Ultrapyre]

Pandering really is the best description I can give when thinking of Overwatch. All the characters fulfill the niche of some archetype that the general population would most likely adore, and this doesn't get any more apparent than the female characters which all fulfill some manner of fetish one way or another. Blizzard really only have themselves to blame for the inevitable surge of Overwatch porn. If you deliberately design your female characters to each represent an aspect of sex appeal to sucker in hilariously predictable male gamers that think with their undercarriage rather than their brain, it is hardly surprising that you get a crapton of porn being made about it.

[@Ultrapyre]

***** More that I'm not going to let an attractive girl being slapped on the cover of a game to influence my decision to buy it and play it, and experience has taught me that if the developers resort to sex appeal to draw in their audience they most likely don't have that much confidence on everything else about the game (like the **cough** gameplay) holding up for long. No, I'm most certainly not an overly-fabulous man or a jealous woman. Just someone that's so socially inept I've grown cautious of sex appeal in general.

[@cezgamer]

Agreed. I've seen so many people say overwatch has great characters and story, i go look it up and...well... its worse then leagues early lore. You can tell they made the characters first then figured it out later. Every characters motives are weak. Like D.va, her story is gov. makes a mech that somehow only gamers can use because they need "fast-reaction time" (wtf kind of reason is that). Thus pro-sc gamer that somehow is also at peak physical condition goes to PLAY war for no reason other than the gov asked. Seriously, it cant get blander and panderer then that. Also, why is Bob Marley shooting a Dj gun?

[@subscribed4311]

I don't mind that overwatch panders as long as it embraces that it's pandering. I would mind, if there was a huge splurge of fan service games (which this might inevitably spawn), but right now, it's aiight.

[@RpiesSPIES]

+Ultrapyre Not even. People aren't buying Overwatch because the cover art. They're buying it because it's fun. The characters they pick are based on looks for some and utility for others. Do you really think all those bastion players have a hard-on for (insert bastion's appearance here, since I don't play Overwatch)? No.

[@Veolynn13]

+RpiesSPIES "bastion" You spelled "play of the game" wrong

[@TheMofos32X]

I liked Overwatch better when it was called TeamFortress 2

[@purplefanadic234]

XD

[@prusstaskajetan]

I can relate.

[@JokerCZECH11]

Yeah I liked Counter strike better when it was called half life

[@silviogrijalva8801]

heretic!

[@TechnologicalShadow]

I liked Hearthstone better when it was called Magic: the gathering

[@peesafpayper9688]

3:38 "All characters HAVE to be unlocked from the start" Me stares at Overwatch numero dos

[@NinjaPaperMario]

That Overwatch/Trade Sanctions joke aged like WINE

[@lazilypunctual2863]

Whoop There It Is no kidding

[@BenRangel]

"At the end of the day you can't argue with Fun." Classic quote in the making

[@kellenliame2674]

"Theres the obvious eye-candy girlies wearing clingfilm, but theres also a muscle lady and a chubby girl in specs, so the gender specials dont throw a strop. Then we'll have 2 samurais and a mecha-girl for the weeaboos, a cowboy for duded with slightly weird ideas about the masculine ideal, and a skull face murderer for the dudes with even weirder ideas about the masculine ideal" I haven't blurted out in laughter from one of your quips in ages! kep up the good work

[@dubstepbee6892]

6 years later the pandering got worse

[@deusexvesania1702]

Overwatch - A waifu for every fetish, a husbando for every taste and robotic drill arms for every orifice. And that one monkey, for when you're REALLY weird. Even weirder than robots. Or maybe that's weirder than an animal. I'm actually not sure.

[@Rigamarole]

Overwatch is only 40 bucks on PC. I guess it's more on console for disc manufacturing costs?? It's a great game but I agree 60 is a bit steep for it

[@TheBobblefighter]

Yahtzee lives in Australia. Standard edition was $70

[@unlurkingsentinel6872]

Screw Australia. No wonder both Australian characters in Overwatch are murderous thugs and terrorists.

[@MerlinCross13]

That and Blizzard loves to link you to the Deluxe edition which costs $60 US. Which translates to about $80-90 bucks in Australia I believe. Someone confirm?

[@Lord_Numpty]

Confirmed by an Aussie. Standard price is $70 AUS.

[@beep-beep]

TF2 was never more than 20 bucks before it was free, is what I think his point was.

[@Rodri34451]

4:41 This part is still relevant even after 7 years.

[@dubstepbee6892]

Inclusivity is fine but you can't just tunnelvision it And this is made even worse by the fact that "Diversity" is pretty much Actiblizz's codename for "Damage Control"

[@poloniumfist6059]

TF2 is still around and playable and enjoyable and popular. Thing is my friends won't play TF2, so we play Overwatch (it's a little different, it's just as or more fun and doesn't have bullshit equippable items)

[@poloniumfist6059]

Damion Dixon Yeah pretty much. I bought an Ubersaw for $0.50 and I think that's it. Everyone else has their stock primary/secondary/melee. Engi might have the build faster while smacking wrench.

[@2fast404]

TF2 is a old dog with no new tricks, It was boring before it went free 2 play. Also the game has had little to no new content other than Valve adding Hats and being greedy as fuck.

[@scriblemelego]

Even then there's no reason to buy the ubersaw, you can just get them and really any weapon from drops easily. Many other classes use other weapons often though. Scout - Stock primary and secondary, but melee is Atomizer, Sandman, or Basher Soldier - Stock primary, secondary is Gunboats and melee is Escape Plan Pyro - Primary is Degreaser, secondary is flare/stock, melee is Powerjack Demo - Usually all stock unless doing demoknight Heavy - Primary is stock/Tomislav, secondary is Sandvich, melee is GRU or Fists of Steel Engineer - Primary is Rescue Ranger for defense, frontier justice for offense. Secondary is Wrangler/stock for defense/offense. Melee is up to you for defense, though gunslinger for offense and sometimes eureka effect. Medic - Primary is Crusader's Crossbow, medigun can be anything, melee is Ubersaw Sniper - Primary is anything really, secondary is stock/jarate, melee is stock Spy - Primary is anything but enforcer, sapper is stock, melee is stock, YER, big earner, and maybe kunai, watch is stock or dead ringer.

[@HPotton]

+2fast skins? There are no skin's in tf2. Think you mean hats.

[@2fast404]

H-Mation Weapon skins, dont you remember the csgo update for the game?

[@TheLoneTerran]

Past Yahtzee would have run to Activison-Blizzard's main building and headbutted the walls until the entire complex was demolished if he knew that gearing up a Diablo Immortal character could cost over $100,000 USD.

[@rashaibrownrock]

There is only 900-500 people play battleborn on pc.

[@naquan59]

last night the highest view stream of battleborn was 21 viewers that is upsetting for a new game.

[@Unethical.FandubsGames]

Still not as bad as Evolve. That game was dead on arrival.

[@rashaibrownrock]

Cao Cao hahaha we don't talk about evolve.

[@loyal-tf-fan]

I figure the game is better for console, PC is straight up biased toward Overwatch

[@rashaibrownrock]

Loyal-TF-Fan No this is still better on the Pc.

[@adamelkholy9282]

As an Overwatch fan, i apologise for the brainwashed fanboys protecting their Waifu character and starting a war in the comments.

[@WhatDoesDStandFor]

So far it's just been people salty about Overwatch.

[@I-Roy]

+Driad Cuz they are no battleborn fans.

[@WhatDoesDStandFor]

pop roy 440 online atm. 10 million in overwatch

[@goldenknife3835]

You must admit though there are some bullshit comments against overwatch as well.

[@I-Roy]

Driad Payers, not fans.

[@Wintercat1]

Man hearing Yahtzee rag on loot boxes and a "full-price" launch for Overwatch 1 really puts into perspective how far we've fallen. I miss the loot boxes now, because a regular player was able to unlock all of the cosmetic content they wanted just by playing the game. The early monetization was par for the course at the time: full game sold for $40, full price gave you a few cosmetics, loot boxes were expensive but just enough to make you consider buying them. Now that OW2 is f2p the monetization is pushing new boundaries with the prices they charge for skins, not to mention the battle pass that is anti-f2p.

[@dickmunch7578]

On the contraire; Reaper's for young rising edgelords.

[@Impalingthorn]

But Yahtzee, the thing about Tracer's butt turned out to be Blizzard trolling that one douche. They literally replaced a pose deemed too "sexy" with one that showed even more butt and took after a pin-up girl.

[@WhatDoesDStandFor]

I don't think you understood the complaint of the guy at all.

[@lampenpam]

Pretty sure they just re-thought their decision before changing the post because of the massive backlash of the community which put some sense in the devs.

[@Yous0147]

That's not what happened at all. The original complaint was that the pose was merely sex-appealing in nature and very out of character for Tracer, in which the Overwatch team agreed. They therefore changed the pose to look like a traditional pinup girl, literally from an old picture of one, signifying Tracer's spunky attitude and playful nature more. I wouldn't sayit's perfect imo, however it's a perfect compromise to keep both parties happy. Sadly people just seem to want to rage on.

[@lampenpam]

Yous0147 >Sadly people just seem to want to rage on. That's because nobody agreed with that one complain but the devs and obviously, the devs only made the pin up girl pose because of the community being disappointed and raging.

[@Yous0147]

***** I don't agree with this sentiment. Just because there are feminazis and stupid censoring going on everywhere, doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to change things when you feel it's appropriate. If the devs felt forced to do it I agree, however they seem to agree themselves with the change. To not change something and consider your work/audience simply on principle and as a defiant act to feminazi culture is as stifling to creativity and art as blatant incoherent censoring. they imprisons you much the same.

[@aircooledgaming]

Overwatch vs Battleborn. And the winner is ... Team Fortress 2

[@marie-ff2cy]

who the fuck cares about that game anymore?

[@Prinz_Kasper]

TF2 still is in the list of the most concurrent players on steam all the time. So, a shit load of people still care about that game. Mostly because it's an actual shooter rather than overwatch aka "press q to win"

[@gazirelseiryuu7229]

alot of ppl. TF2 will always be the better game, for it was original back then. OW is doing nothing more but take the concept, polish it a little, and sell the same idea for cash. because blizzard are cockhungry cunts. Sorry, i mean, greedy, cockhungry cunts

[@thethirdweel]

'Blizzard are greedy cockhungry cunts' yup, and valve DEFINITELY don't fall under that category, do they?

[@garretthelvy1685]

What did Blizzard do to you? Run over your dog? Piss in your cornflakes? They took an existing idea and gave their version of it. I don't see anything wrong with that.P.S.: Yes, the price is a bit staggering, but for a game with practically infinite replay value I think it can be forgiven.

[@TheInfamousCloaker]

Funniest thing to go back to this now is that you can't play either of these games

[@lolrus5555]

2:32 This is now officially the greatest Zero Punctuation line ever conceived by Yahtzee. Any objections are irrelevant.

[@bobdickeyify]

Man, watching his view of Overwatch's loot box rewards and monetization would be 10x harsher with Overwatch 2.

[@sithdude2436]

It's hilarious that Blizzard removed what Yahtzee considered to be a blatant cashgrab... because they wanted to make an even more blatant cashgrab.

[@LordnotsirTav]

I was so excited for Overwatch when I started reading the story. Diverse characters, an interesting setting just plain built for a good, long campaign against evil robots being controlled by Talon, maybe an opposite side campaign where you work with Talon and fight against Overwatch... But then it turns out it doesn't actually have a story. It just pretends to have one like LoL.

[@jex-the-notebook-guy1002]

Talon sounds an awful lot like Talos

[@R3DE3MER]

Yahtzee: "and a skull faced dude for people with even weirder thoughts about the masculine ideal..." Reaper: "edge... Edge, EDGE!.."

[@coconuthead1361]

Honestly, I share Yahtzee's feelings of not really liking Gearbox. All of their games just feel boring, BattleBorn and Borderlands included.

[@OreallyR17]

I hated Borderlands one. The Borderlands 2 writing really carried the game, making it's gameplay bearable.

[@Vanessa_exe]

the worst part of borderlands 2 is definitely the random gun thing. you complete the game, complete the dlcs, complete the mini dlcs, then complete the game again on hard mode, complete the dlcs again on hard mode then complete the mini dlcs again on hard mode then you do the raid to unlock overpowers 1-8 then you play it again on Overpower 8, the dlcs again on overpower 8 then the mini dlcs again on overpower 8 all while having to stop at various points to go kill some boss on repeat in hopes of obtaining the legendary/rare drops so you can have a decent time at clearing more trash and mobs just to get to another boss to farm them for rares and legendaries.

[@Kharnivore2099]

Yeah I never cared for Borderlands all that much, it just felt really dull. I like repetitive games but none of the games really motivated me to continue with them. You could argue that it's fun with friends, but even shit games can be fun when played with friends.

[@kingishking]

I kinda liked borderlands for game play mostly

[@Guru_1092]

I enjoyed Borderlands 2. Otherwise i've never really bothered to play their other games. They just never really seemed all that interesting. Also, sup coconut head.

[@bobbyisland]

i will always now refer to overwatch as "overpriced" yahtz you crazy aussie wordsmith

[@xelic1996]

One thing he messed up is saying OW costs tons. It costs 20 bucks less than Battleborn.

[@loyal-tf-fan]

not on consoles, Blizzard made it only 60 bucks

[@BaroqueAndMSTie3000]

However, Battleborn has a single-player campaign, whereas Overwatch only features multi-player.

[@AvaByNight]

But Battleborn has a singleplayerpart. So it's a complete game. While OW is only the MP-Part of a game. Not a complete one. So, as good as it might be, all over 10 Bucks is to much for the half of a game

[@luigiforsthoffer]

I hope you enjoy these quote unquote complete games +TheShapesnatch when the servers shut down. Then I'm sure they'll be worth every penny as they when you bought them. Because they're complete am I right?

[@xelic1996]

Toyosatomimi Miko You are talking about blizzard which keeps it's games going for a looooooong time. Wow has been here for what? 14 years? And it's a complete game that can only be played online.

[@CrispyChrisss]

what's overwatch? Looks like a wannabe battleborn

[@ZeeshanKhan-rj1kl]

lol

[@cornboi3227]

dude same. people are talking about the new cod of duty or something, and it looks like some cheap doom clone

[@TheEmetth]

Yeah, I mean, bloodborne is a great game, fromsoft always delivers it

[@coreypagett5687]

Oh so it is a cod clone lol

[@MPKampersand]

It's a butt-physics simulator.

[@DarknessIsTheTruth]

Both Overwatch and Battleborn are riding high on Team Fortress 2's nuts.

[@bioman1hazard607]

The only thing good from overwatch was the porn, everything else is better in tf2. And at least I can make stuff in tf2 without blizzard saying they own my mods

[@nelly5954]

the porn was good

[@RacingSnails64]

Artemis Garcia Overwatch has a tighter focus on mastering unique specialized characters and encouraging teamwork to win. Tf2 is a fuster cluck. And I love them both.

[@Otakumanu]

@@RacingSnails64 I must disagree. I don't feel like Overwatch really succeeds in doing that, it mostly just forces players to rely on teammates to deal with enemies due to the rock-paper-scissors nature of the character design. TF2 being a clusterfuck was a result of the updates slowly eroding the original design, for all the good things they added.

[@waidwml2166]

Agree (with OP)not sure why journalists gave it so many GOTY awards when (the other) TF2 deserved it more

[@bioman1hazard607]

@@waidwml2166 its cus companies shell out for better reviews, cant really win unless you spend big. Plus if you seen that producer movie with gene wilder it turns out you can still make bank with flops

[@randommixedletters]

If you only drop 40 bucks on Overwatch and realize that the cosmetics don't mean shit and will come to you in time Its actually a rather decent game for the money...sort of...a fuck it its a 20 dollar expansion on something that doesn't exist so they doubled its price instead of its backstory...

[@strawman5300]

To you they dont meen shit

[@Carlos-ln8fd]

tf2 is free

[@loyal-tf-fan]

have you read the backstory for Overwatch? half the characters aren't even involved in overwatch, it's like having an avengers game but throwing in spider man because he is found in the universe.

[@AvaByNight]

40 bucks for the half of a game (only MP) is overpriced...

[@TerryFromAccounts]

+AgarwaenCran its a full game with a lot of continuous updates and attention as well as future free content all included in the game price

[@Eskellion]

'Blizzard must rack up a lot of maintenance costs polishing up those MASSIVE BRASS BALLS OF THEIRS'' 100% Perfect description of Blizzard.

[@mbanerjee5889]

as someone who never plays first person shooter games, i genuinely love overwatch. i just wish there was a local multiplayer mode, but other than that it's still pretty enjoyable.

[@FrenziedRoach]

Overwatch's hype was so big, I was tired of the game before I even tried it. I kept starting to think"what are you trying to hide" which made me look at it more critically. Thank god for the open Beta - was bored after 2 days.

[@thesong7877]

When you see multi year old videos about a game you still thought was new

[@jazz1279]

I'm crying omg the character pandering break down was way too accurate lmao

[@MelodicQuest]

Like a dumbass I preordered both. My conclusion is that while both games had brilliant concepts, Overwatch impliments them much better than Battleborn.

[@shahiranzaman2259]

Why would you preorder anything these days?

[@wexaztor9394]

Well i did cause there was 0% chance that i would not try it and i had money over at that time. which was smart thinking on my part since at the time when the game came out i had 0 monies over for fun and i still dont really.

[@tiburon2211]

Well, one is essentially going for: "FPS-MOBA" with multiple systems and elements outside of the characters themselves. While the other is going for: TF2. I still dont necessarily disagree with you, but I think it's worth noting

[@carbonwalker5223]

frankly i think the better game in this review is TF2 he did mentioned it i mean i got for my pc for free on steam so i dont mind the that the game has micro payments because its free they need to make money some how

[@ThePCguy17]

Corbin, what you have to understand about TF2 is that they made it free after making enough money on it not to care too much anymore what happened to it. They also never charged AAA prices for it, but that's a whole different discussion.

[@project_adderall4139]

Overwatch plot: “Yeah everything used to be awesome and cool, but now everything ‘s gone to shit, and nobody knows except us.” -fanboy 1 “Yeah!” - fanboy 2 “Because of aliens?” - me “Or genetically-altered humans,whatever, fuck you!” - Blizzard “Try and focus, player. We’ve found them. We know where the rock creatures are now.” - Blizzard “The rock creatures?” - me “Or aliens or A.I. … things, whatever, fuck you!” - Blizzard

[@corvusalendar5405]

Jim Sterling disqualified Overwatch for competing in his Game Of The Year contest for the micropayments. Which makes me confused, he did THE SAME THING for Garden Warfare 2 but no one gave a shit until it was Overwatch and people lost their shit because it's OVERWATCH

[@jotabeas22]

Yeah, people are very polarized in favour of Overwatch. Sincerely, I think that any freemium content in a game which you paid for is an insult, regardless of its nature, because it affects gameplay in one way or another. Even cosmetics play a role in it - because that way you can stand out from the rest, which is pretty important in multiplayer, where you will find clones everywhere.

[@Typical7]

garden warfare 2 micropayments was shit tho, in overwatch i have all the skins i want and i didn't put a cent above 40$ on this game

[@UnNuclear]

I don't see a problem with the microtransaction model that Blizzard has with Overwatch. It's all cosmetic and you get lootboxes pretty regularly. It's just a way for Blizzard to make a little bit extra money and for people to unlock a skin they really want faster. I see why everyone hates a system like Dead Space 3, where half the weapons, skills, skins, etc were available for purchase on release day instead of in the game already..

[@jasonfischer9857]

because that little bit more of extra money is what is keeping WoW alive

[@jotabeas22]

Yeah well but getting cosmetics on a gambling-like manner is offensive. At least MannCo crates show you a few options per crate, not only "buy this and get sprays"

[@eddiesmith9955]

I felt so bad because Battleborn could have been INCREDIBLE. Also, not gunna lie... Yahtzee covering Battleborn and it getting shit on nd ignored by the media, but not discussing the enormous horrific porn situation that was PART of it's immediate death on arrival?! Lol.

[@EDFslayer]

that 'massive brass balls' thing is my text notification at the moment

[@minipyre2905]

I agree with how yahtzee thinks about the whole 'Buy the game, buy it seven times over' thing that has been going on with many games recently. Believe it or not nintendo, HAVING DLC DOES NOT MAKE ME WANT TO BUY IT MORE, IT MAKES ME WANT TO GO SET AN ORPHANAGE FOR THE AUTISTIC ON FIRE. At least it's cheaper, and provides equal fun for all those inside.

[@uhoh2825]

some reason the autistic have earned your particular ire...?

[@MavicAVF]

Why play a 30 fps game with borderlands graphics when you can play a 60 fps game... with better borderland graphics

[@michaelpalacios8951]

5:12 Good to see that Jeffery Cuddletrousers is still getting work.

[@Katojana]

Yes. $40 USD or 40€ are way overpriced for the type of content they currently have. That's why i wouldn't have the game if not someone gifted it to me

[@Revolver20]

40 bucks? Those games are ok then... A full game.costs now at days 120 dollars,so only multiplayer and FREE(YES YOU FUCKING READ IT FUCKING FREE) DLC!? That's ok(I only know Overwatch but what I just said is right)

[@raggedy3759]

+Leo Gallardo Uh...Overwatch has no DLC...If you're referring to the skins and unlockables they come with the base game and are therefore not dlc. They're unneeded but they ain't dlc.

[@Katojana]

Leo Gallardo what games cost 120 dollar?

[@Revolver20]

jose wills Blizzard stated that there will be FREE DLC in the future(MAPS,CHARACTERS,ETC.) all free

[@Revolver20]

Katojana Aleksielsis Season pass + game. At least here it costs 100 dollars,I just added 20 more.

[@wifishark8]

"Every character is an archetype cynically designed to pander to some section of the audience" With the news on the "diversity tool" from Activision Blizzard. I feel this quote has aged quite well.

[@calipto4605]

"All units, be advised; Feminism is awesome!" - Oscar Mike, a character from Battleborn. God only knows why it failed ;)

[@JoshuaClarke]

It's ok Yahtzee, I hate Borrderlands too

[@Magmafrost13]

Same. I've just started playing it recently, at the demand of a couple of friends. Honestly, if I wasn't playing it with friends, I don't think I would've gotten past the first "joke".

[@Hifuutorian]

Same

[@fashionpatrol2214]

I haven't played the first game, but I really enjoyed the second one. Partially due to it being my first ever Game I purchased on Steam.

[@chipspunkable]

Noobish Moo I know this comment is pretty old but I fucking love borderlands. You can buy bl2 goty for like 10 bucks during sales for like 40 hours of gameplay, insane value imo

[@chipspunkable]

But, then agian you can buy skyrim for like 5 bucks and have infinite hours play time due to mods...

[@Namulith048]

Tf2 is still better than both

[@bunkerdown8494]

ik

[@Intothevoid-NIB]

Which is an opinion not a fact

[@Joshua-ep1dj]

And that's a promise

[@mrskinszszs]

Nah. OW is better to me.

[@Rockzilla1122]

Kolby K if you still actually like overwatch you really must have the mind of a toddler

[@sirfancytoast4452]

The best description i've ever heard of battleborn.

[@TheUberSuperNova]

The Micro transactions definitely aren't needed in Overwatch lol i don't know why its in the game oh wait... Its 2016

[@aickavon]

They add longevity. Why would you care to level up/play hours at a time without any sort of reward? Of course you could A) be a tool like I am and just buy the shit OR B) just level up normally. Some people are already at silver 2/3 already which is 600-700 boxes they've opened, unpaid.

[@TheUberSuperNova]

Aickavon the Techpriest Thats how i play its really not worth paying for boxes

[@aickavon]

Michael Morris well you diffenetally see it as that, correct? You get your free boxes and thus you don't pay for any microtransactions. For you, microtransactions don't even exist. You're NOT losing out on content and thus, you have nothing to worry about. The fact that they exist is merely a win/win situation really. It doesn't hide anything behind a paywall, it's easily accessible, and IF anyone wants to just... throw money at blizzard and not only supporting the game's longevity, but also their own personal enjoyment then hey! There it is. In fact, those boxes are microtransactions done right. It's based pretty much on the hearthstone system as everything is accessible and easily so, but you can shortcut your way if you want to.

[@shikniwho7215]

most the time, people only want to spend money on the box during event like Summer Game and Hallowen. But with Halloween event, they allow you to buy the skin with coins now so if you just play normally and been saved up coins, you have even less reason to buy it now. Not to mention the upcoming Arcane mode will let you get 3 loot boxs each week if you won those matches.

[@TheUberSuperNova]

Shikni Ful If you save up boxes do they transcend to special boxes at Halloween events etc... ? if so just keep leveling up & save your loot boxes for special events lol

[@nukeclears]

TF2 also used to cost full price and had microtransactions, but I digress.

[@PrincessFelicie]

Yeah, but it came with a handful of other games including portal, and I'm pretty sure the full price was at best 40$, no 60, and microtransactions took a long time to appear.

[@FishMr3]

+Ryoga Hibiki It comes NOW with the orange box, but it used to be a standalone game.

[@TheBellman]

Overwatch is 40$ on PC.

[@Prinz_Kasper]

It never cost 40 bucks....

[@gazirelseiryuu7229]

Yes, but also back then TF2 was new, a genre of "hero shooter" that wasnt really around before. It was popular because it was the only one of its kind. overwatch is trying to do the same, 10 years later, as an idea to cash in alot of money.

[@Numatruehome]

To everyone who made Overwatch a runaway success and didn’t see that they were giving blizzard executives the ok to nickel and dime you for all you’re worth until they felt perfectly comfortable with letting the devs say they were working on making a full fledged rpg for you later down the line, then order them to abandon it to sell you a “story mode” in bits and pieces so that ultimately you will have spent thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of dollars to get one story mode that might not even clock in over 5 hours upon completion years from now… was it even worth it?

[@xord6286]

now would be the best time for Gearbox and 2k to bring back Battleborn it had PvE and skill trees at launch and the updates made it better unlike OW which got worse with every update later on

[@Numatruehome]

@@xord6286 yes, yes yes yes, all of this, YES

[@mangarang]

“So the gender specials don’t throw a strop.” 🤣

[@byeah4277]

Hey Yahtzee, you alright? It must be difficult carrying the escapist for so long.

[@synthwavecat96]

"Seriously, Blizzard must rack up a lot of maintenance costs polishing those MASSIVE BRASS BALLS OF THEIRS" I can't breath omg

[@nuclearhardt]

The pose they replaced "Over the Shoulder" with has just as much ass prominence. I don't know about you, Overwatch's dev team is cool in my books

[@BladeStrike]

It's so easy to offend a Blizzard fanboy.

[@Boomeus]

Battleborn shouts 'WE'RE PROGRESSIVE' Overwatch progresses so hard that Harambe is my arch foe

[@AlmightyDoubleHelix]

Blizzard actually handled the tracer complaint very well. The person basically called out her out for having sex appeal and also that one pose wasn't in character, and the guys at blizzard were like,"You're right, that one pose isn't in character. Here's another pose that's more in character," and that new pose was just as sexy.

[@AlluMan96]

What they didn't handle well was the porn. I mean... c'mon guys. You really think this is anything new? And do they honestly think they can beat the porn community?

[@AlmightyDoubleHelix]

I hadn't heard about that. Nothing is sacred to the porn community, and there's nothing anybody can really do about it.

[@AlluMan96]

Helix Who cares, really? I don't mind the porn. It's one person's way to gain satisfaction out of it, why should we judge them? Nobody is getting hurt or scarred by the fact that we are creating digital images to emulate arrousing content, where's the problem? I wouldn't want people to barge into my room and start belittling me for jerking off to what I do. Like, it's my god damn business and the only way it'll affect you is if you force it to be your problem.

[@AlmightyDoubleHelix]

I get that; but if someone doesn't want porn drawn of their characters, then people should really just not draw porn of them. Characters can be very special to their creators, and even their fans, and using them as nothing more than fap material can be really upsetting.

[@jellyfrosh9102]

If you don't want porn drawn of your characters don't make them all pandering to fetishists.

[@markmapes854]

So what you are saying, unless I misunderstood the whole point of the video, that you whole hardily, without a doubt, to paraphrase what you said in a summation, YOU prefer Coke over Pepsi. Well sir, unless I have misunderstood I must say that I disagree with you on that regard. Pepsi is clearly (well as clear as a dark brown drink can be) a better drink. Not the best, but better.

[@sawd0543]

however, pepsi anilla is just stale coke.

[@Galloglaigh.]

The pose was changed because of Blizz's artistic vision, not in spite of it.

[@Drinkabeerandplayagameofficial]

Still want to play each game, though I will probably wait for them to get a bit cheaper. This is normally a genre I don't play that often but do enjoy.

[@cipher9849]

DONT BUY BATTLEBORN DONT DO IT

[@loyal-tf-fan]

+Commander Shepard hater

[@Zomboy123456789]

Croikey it'sa woild Blizz fan, they normally don come autah thah dunguns untiw thah fandoms bein threatend. This one musta had ta taek a piss or bitch abaut somthin on the internet. It'sa saaaed speshies it is, but we gotta ave ope that one day they won't be so endangered and might finally luurn to work with othas of thah speshies. But fur naw, all thah doo all dae is prowl the web fur things ta complayn abaut. Don worry mayt not gunna hurtcha, time to let this on back into thah hole fur another ten yeas.

[@cipher9849]

Loyal-TF-Fan im not, i actually bought the game and its takes forever to find a game

[@SpencerMcEvil]

I assume when you do you'll...drink a bear.

[@BlankPicketSign]

_"Overwatch strips naked in the doorway and goes for you like a Jumping Spider!"_ ~Ben Yahtzee Croshaw, 2016

[@crabman96]

The only microtransaction in Overwatch is purchasing loot boxes.

[@Kaoss134]

but Battleborn is more expensive than Overwatch. I mean unless you get the collectors edition. But Origins was 60 and normal edition was 40

[@AlluMan96]

There are alot of factors that might go into that. Physical or digital? Console or PC? Also, Australia charges more for games right out the gate.

[@sneed915]

on pc

[@nathanfetter3220]

Battleborn has a campaign -_-

[@Kaoss134]

I realize that. His depiction of prices was that Battleborn was only 65 dollars and Overwatch was shitloads. I thought that was backwards.

[@serialkillerwhale]

Ah yes. Yahtzee lives in the british colony on a different continent that _failed_.

[@totallynotaspy2686]

as a battleborn fan, I shed a single tear, accept my fate and stand by my proclamation that overwatch is for dirty casuals, even if battleborn died.

[@maxpayne1862]

"casuals" Even tho Overwatch will have it's own competitive scene.

[@totallynotaspy2686]

+Max Payne you mean that competitive mode that A. was in the beta but removed because it wasn't fun, and B. is being pushed by blizzard harder than hearthstone? that competitive? and I'm not saying battleborn is more competitive, I'm saying it has a much, much higher skill ceiling than overwatch.

[@maxpayne1862]

totally not a spy​ It was pushed back because it wasn't finalized so to say. Sure I agree Battleborn is harder but if it were as good as people say it wouldn't be doing this bad. It came out too soon and Gearbox sucks at marketing. 

[@TheBelgianEmperor]

While it may seem like Overwatch is for casual players, you really underestimate it. Playing the game myself it happens on Quickplay (not even competitive) where people will scream at you for picking the wrong hero (picking the right one is an essential part of winning). There's plenty of hardcore players playing the game, and when competitive is released later this month, they will have their own place to go, while the casuals can still enjoy the game on Quickplay. In my opinion OW caters to both groups, while for instance a game like CS:GO caters more to hardcore gamers and a game like TF2 tends to go to the casual side. It's a joy to become good at the game, at each of the 21 heroes. It's a game that while it may not look like it, even playing the heroes that aren't as skill based as others, requires skill to both learn the character and the maps, the character on the maps, the counter picks etc.

[@totallynotaspy2686]

TheBelgianEmperor I played easily 50+ hours in the closed beta. I know what the game is like, I played several characters fairly well, and largely disliked the rest. I never got yelled at for not playing a tank or support, but that was when the player base was small. As for battleborn, it was announced first, it's date was announced first, it was first for everything in relation to overwatch. Blizzard saw how popular that initial trailer was (it got like 6 million views or some crazy shit) and said "hey, let's make one of those, but for casual people". And they did, but in the process, as blizzard has done with WoW, Hearthstone, Diablo and StarCraft, they very specifically set up all of their dates for anything significant to line up with anything significant coming from the competition. Battleborn didn't come out to soon, it was assassinated by blizzard. From the start, despite clear differences, the games have been compared, and battleborn has been laughed at as inferior and a ripoff. I'm not saying gearbox is free of guilt, they definitely needed to be clearer with their marketing, but it is far from being their fault alone that the game has a notably small player base.

[@trixiestix3993]

After many years of gut rupturing hysterics at your marvelous content, you finally broke my brain not with clever witticisms delivered verbally at mach 3, but by using the word "strop" in a sentence. Kudos to you, you brilliant bass turd!

[@Numa1221]

I haven't cringed this hard in a while.

[@jasonalbert6251]

I got Overwatch free from the Humble Bundle and it still wasn’t worth it tbh

[@lordv1le859]

Tbf you have toy play it for a good 20/30 hours to understand how the heroes work to actually start having fun.

[@DestituteBaron]

watching this in 2017 is hilarious

[@AmazingJoe96]

cowboys arent the masculine ideal?

[@Cracked_Moon]

Skull-faced murderers aren't the masculine ideal either?

[@aganaom1712]

so i guess robot suits worn by clearly lifting germans are the masculine ideal? shit. looks like arnold schwarzenaeger was right

[@wolfman594]

+Hero of Trains No fat Australian men are the masculine ideal

[@FatherTime89]

Well it's an obsolete job, but if you go by Hollywood's idea of a cowboy do you really want EVERY man to solve all their problems with guns and brawn and think of themselves as a wandering loner who doesn't need companions?

[@aganaom1712]

FatherTime89 obsolete job huh? somebody's clearly never been to montana or colorado. uncommon yes. but some people still need to ranch for a living

[@Jerberus]

Shouldn't the argument be Battleborn vs Paragon and Overwatch vs say Rainbow 6 Siege? Moba vs moba- team based arena shooter vs team based arena shooter. Why was it ever a thing for the internet to decide to compare the two in the first place? They are entirely diff games.....

[@UnNuclear]

That's true, but they look similar in design if not in gameplay. Colorful cast of heroes? Check. 6v6 shooter? Check. Releasing around the same time? Check. I hate the comparison, but I understand why it happened.

[@ComicMan9]

Paragon is more of a moba than Battleborn, I think. It has the speed of one, there's not easy sprinting, not much vertical space, etc. Rainbow 6 Siege doesn't seem like the same kind of team-based shooter that Overwatch and TF2 are.

[@Gekyofgnomes]

I don't think you played Battleborn because Battleborn is 5v5...

[@biggydx]

+UnNuclear Battleborn is 5v5

[@SlyCoopergraff]

Ovewatch is actually only around $40. The deluxe version with extra cosmetic stuff is $60

[@Keithyboy1602]

physical discs and console versions are full $60 and $70 in Australia, where Yahtzee lives, which is a lot for all that Overwatch is

[@lobete]

There is no way Battleborn is cheaper. In the US, Overwatch came out at $40, which is 2/3 the price of Battleborn ($60). We are expected to believe that the price is $70 for Overwatch in Austrialia but Battleborn is only $65.95 as shown in the video? Yeah, my searching shows the AUS console price for Battleborn is actually $99.95. So still a $20 difference. store.playstation.com/#!/en-au/games/battleborn/cid=EP1001-CUSA01518_00-BATTLEBORN000001 And he bitches that Overwatch sells skins while not mentioning that Battleborn does the same thing on top of their plans to sell DLC. Blizzard is doing free DLC for Overwatch....

[@lobete]

+900bot AUS Overwatch is not $100 on console. You are thinking of the Origins Edition which is the more expensive version that comes with skins. If you want to draw that comparison, than AUS Battleborn Deluxe Edition is $122.95 for console.

[@Keithyboy1602]

Futrix you can only get origins edition on console, there is no other version of the game for PS4/XboxOne. This may not be true for Australia, but it is for the UK and US to best of my knowledge.

[@lobete]

Keithyboy1602 I didn't realize this.... I'm really curious about this decision now. I'd bet anything it was a decision by the the console makers having a problem with Blizzard selling the game for $40 on release and told them to do the full price version only for console.

[@jadonmiller9942]

"There are the obvious eye-candy girlies wearing cling flim". Ok, that one really caught me off guard XD

[@toshir100]

Love this freakin videos!!!! (Thats it, no cleaver comment or observation, just me, waisting time and space to express something that was made obvious the moment I clicked the thumbs up button... t#ats!!!)

[@Poetabrasileiro]

You're the most special thing in the world and i love it.

[@Kharnivore2099]

£29.99 on release and never paid any extra via micro transaction, still having a blast. I don't think £30 really constitutes as full price for a game these days.

[@peardude8979]

In Australia it's $70.

[@Keithyboy1602]

and on console, it's £50/$60US/$70AU/etc. the point is its overpriced on console, and it's a bit of a piss-take to then have it include microtransactions. on the plus side, I think maps and characters are going to be free when added, but don't quote me on that

[@lodestarrobot]

+Keithyboy1602 yeah and game modes, it's free in order to not separate the player base.

[@joannawood7352]

yeah in Australia the price is "fuck you" and i dont think you can even buy the special edition

[@Kharnivore2099]

Keithyboy1602 I don't see any issues when the microtransactions are just to speed up gaining items you can unlock for free, it doesn't affect the game and they are all essentially aesthetic items. Console games are always more expensive, but that's just the trade off of developers having to pay MS and Sony licenses...along with those online charges. :/

[@KironKhashnobish]

"Slip up and call it Bloodborne" Made me laugh out loud.

[@brainstorm623]

#bumsisfuns

[@capacitatedflux]

And now they're both dead!

[@nis5e]

02:38 Good customer-side description of SaaS, Software-as-a-service.

[@falloutghoul1]

Overwatch should've been a free game.

[@ourorboros2]

you have absolutely no reason to buy loot crates as the game stands, which means in order to make the game FTP you would need to severely decrease the rate at which people level and introduce and fully fleshed out cash shop of some sort in order to support it, atleast this way you everything that isn't cosmetic and the cosmetic stuff is so random as not to really matter.

[@falloutghoul1]

***** If Blizzard gave us "no reason" to buy the loot crates, then why did they include them in the game as a micro-transaction anyway? Because, obviously, the initial $60 wasn't enough to cover the costs of the game, right? And it isn't as though Blizzard has other sources of income to cover the costs of maintaining their servers, paying their employees and utilities, and funding the development of future games, right?

[@ourorboros2]

falloutghoul1 "If Blizzard gave us "no reason" to buy the loot crates, then why did they include them in the game as a micro-transaction anyway?" for the same reason supermarkets have chocolate bars next to the check out. you dont have to buy them but some people will. its not like you need a chocolate bar and its not like you need a skin or a highlight intro. "the initial $60 wasn't enough to cover the costs of the game, right?" its not about covering the initial cost of the game or even server costs, balance updates, content upgrades and so on; blizzard are a company and companies like money, with the state of the games market how it is with idiots throwing their money everywhere ofcourse blizzard are going to monetize their games fully. honestly, if you dont like move towards to microtransactions and over the top monetisation then dont pay into those systems, its that simple.

[@falloutghoul1]

***** Funny how you put the blame on the consumer for the micro-transactions in retail-priced games, when the corporations are the ones pushing them into full-priced games, as was stated in a Dead Space III article that since mobile games have micro-transactions, people will be expecting micro-transactions in their fully-priced games as well. It's that lapse in logic that allows these unethical decisions to be made in video games. You can go ahead and defend these abhorrent practices all you want, but that just means the publisher has you in their grasp.

[@ourorboros2]

falloutghoul1 "Funny how you put the blame on the consumer " well you can blame companies for trying to make money all you like but at the end of the day thats not going to going to change unless consumers begin to express their wants with their money. we control the state of the games industry, a business is only ever going to provide what the consumers want because otherwise that business is going to fail; the ultimate cruxt of the issue is societal, how can anyone create anything truly beautiful if the purpose is to make money, instead of merely being to create something beautiful but this wont be fixed with out a major overhaul of our society which is unlikely to happen. so in the short term as consumers we have to vote with our wallets; support the devs who we think make good products and stop buying into over-the-top microtransaction and monetisation. if you disagree with the loot box systems then dont buy loot boxes, if enough players take that stance then blizz will have to change how they operate. its that simple. "unethical decisions" ethics? who gives a shit? say hello to reality. get over the idea that there are any rules because there aren't any. life is just a series of real world games that we play, most of us dont even realise that we're playing, the computer games publishers of the world are playing a game called make money; can guess you guess what only objective is? eventually this happens in any game, people think they've got the idea of it down and then someone comes along with an "innovative use of game mechanics" meaning they learnt how to be smarter than you play the game better than you. its not cheating, its not unethical, its not immoral, its not anything other than being a better player. so either get better at the game or change it.