Owen Jones meets Anthony Albanese: 'Why the left keep losing elections'

I was in Australia so I took the chance to catch up with Antony Albanese who took over as leader of the Australian Labor party after they suffered an unexpected defeat in the general election in May. Here's what happened when I chatted to the guy known as "Albo" about what is going wrong for the left, how he plans to rebuild his party, and what he thinks of Jeremy Corbyn and UK Labour
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[@ocelot8611]

I spent two years in Australia from 2011-2013 when Julia Gillard was PM. She was mercilessly ravaged by the right-wing press (particularly the Daily Telegraph) and radio talk show shock jocks the whole time I was there, and there were very few voices of reason even from liberal media such as ABC defending her leadership and policies. As such, hardly any Australians on the street had anything positive to say about her. I think what Labor in Australia probably lacks is an active grassroots movement politicising young people akin to Momentum in the UK, that can effectively counter all the lies and negativity from the Murdoch media.

[@AbstractSoup]

Gillard was the only PM not back by Murdoch, and as such was mercilessly attacked by Murdoch. Can you believe that, since 1967, every single election was won by the candidate backed by Murdoch, aside from Gillard of course. What you saw was the result of the Australian people disobeying the King Maker Murdoch.

[@cmcg3738]

William Hughes “everybody is too stupid to see past the mean words in the media except me” - typical arrogance from the left

[@tommygunrunner4656]

And trump was treated like royalty am I right? Gotta have that preferential treatment in order to win am I right?

[@andybest3284]

the vile attacks on Julia Gillard were an historic disgrace and very UN-Australian. Most of my friends vote LNP and they were appalled,

[@brantleyfoster021]

William Hughes She's a prime example of the poor treatment female politicians are subjected to in institution's of power. Wish she would return to politics.

[@stephen1340c]

Because the right wing, sadly enough, has been effective at getting working class and lower middle class people to vote against their own social and economic interests.

[@rajiveharvani5502]

Socialist policies has caused at least 100 million death around the world in the name of vague marxist utopia. Yet marxist like you continue to persevere history more countries

[@kobemop]

@@rajiveharvani5502 capitalism caused trillions of death.

[@stephen1340c]

@@rajiveharvani5502 Try responding to the substance of my remark.

[@drake1896]

@@rajiveharvani5502 what are you talking about? Find one Marxist policy that labor have and I'll be surprised. Even still they are far from a Marxist party

[@schumanhuman]

Labor probably dodged a bullet in losing, Australia's housing bubble is still likely to keep deflating and pull the economy into a deep recession despite the Liberals now throwing everything at keeping it going (first time buyers subsidies, interest rate cuts, loosening credit), but I can't see how this will create anything other than a bull trap. Ironically, one reason Labor probably lost was they had very minor , and frankly inadequate proposals, to address the rampant land speculation, a change in capital gains taxes and removal of negative gearing for new builds. But these policies threatened to hasten the bubble decline, so baby boomers voted to keep the ponzi going longer. That is the catch-22 of the boom bust cycle. After the crash, Labor have a much better chance, but I hope the Australian Labor party take a leaf out of UK Labour's 'Land for the people' document and introduce strong anti land speculation measures including national land value tax rather than just riding the upcycle.

[@schumanhuman]

@John blight Where?

[@schumanhuman]

@John blight If you mean because cutting IR's loosening lending etc is creating higher clearance rates and that points to some price stabilisation , well yes never doubted it, the housing market is guided in the short term by sentiment, whether that is actually sustainable or just a bull trap is a different matter, the housing market moves very slowly so it will take at least 6-12 months to really measure the effects, and this does not take into account vulnerability to exogenous shocks as global pmi data is weakening with China's slowdown especially threatening to exacerbate such risks. No doubt the Liberal party would prefer an external shock to blame a recession on, missing that they are increasing the vulnerability by loosening lending standards despite the Royal commission exposing already very poor lending standards.

[@michaelwoods2903]

Excellent comment and agree about dodging a bullet as the economic cycle hones in on the bust due to traditional moribund economic policies.

[@michaelwoods2903]

@John blight Latest Govt figures show massive wealth gap in the land of Oz and growing..this plus future crises from China will see great anger within our economic smugness.

[@conorcorrigan765]

If there was ever a textbook example of putting party before country it's this comment. You're glad your party didn't win because you think there are going to be hard times ahead which might make your party look bad? Well thanks for letting us all know just how much confidence you have in your own party to lead your country though hard times... But besides that- you seriously come off as someone who genuinely does not care whether your country does well or not, just whether your party gains power, and that's a truly sad mindset to be trapped in...

[@anxiousandworrying1]

How do you not ask about Refugees Owen?

[@Hephaestus84]

Ordinarily a big fan of your interviews Owen. This one is softball stuff. Where are the policy questions? I hope you interviewed and spoke to more people on the left in Australia than just “Albo”.

[@davidcann8788]

Yes, very tame interview. The main issue, as I see it, is macroeconomics. The Liberal-National party (conservatives) are effectively practising austerity with their stupid obsession with "balancing" the budget. Labor never challenge them on this gross misunderstanding of fiscal operations, and continue to believe in the neoliberal framework. You should challenge them on this. Same with John McDonnell - he should be roasted at high temperature until he understands monetary and fiscal operations. Currently he has a foot in both camps too. The left need to become braver and more articulate, but also smarter, so they enact real policy to reduce inequality.

[@nomadheros4663]

All the media do is ask Scomo softball questions!

[@SormonAusPol]

Correction Enid Lyons got elected to the house in 1943. However we have not had continual female representation till 1983.

[@DruuzilTechGames]

Who cares.

[@andybest3284]

The election which Labor lost was interesting in that the "left" off politics ( Labor & Greens) got just under half a million more votes than the winning LNP. But of course seats are what's important and the winning LNP only just scrapped in. And you cannot ignore that the appalling Clive Palmer spent $55M on an election withg his own party and directed preferences to the winning LNP in QLD which won the election.

[@LukeWhito]

Gotta remember that not all Greens primary votes preference Labor. Up to 20% of those Green votes went to the Liberals.

[@andybest3284]

@@LukeWhito true but I reckon most would. But still the LNP won on a minority vote not that matters if you get the seats.

[@LukeWhito]

@@andybest3284 I'm not sure that will be borne out by the results. They won the 2pp vote and a majority of seats. This isn't like 1998.

[@Lamilton82828]

Surely a huge very sunny county’s would be perfect for solar

[@tangledfish]

It is perfect for solar, which is why the mining lobby spends a fortune fighting against it.

[@richardfox6595]

Where do you want to mine all the minerals that solar panels and giant batteries use?

[@cb3332]

You can't store solar power effectively you still need power for peak usage, night and when there is not much sun or there is mass blackouts. So you still need conventional power plants running as back up. Conventional power plants output the same co2 regardless of their running capacity. so if have a load of solar to point u only need 10% of the backup power plants capacity it will make no difference to co2. It cost same to run it at 10% as 100%. That is the reason why power prices have gone up since solar. The power plants are getting less revenue and running costs are the same

[@dylerturden8018]

The man knew what he was talking about

[@LostInEchoesFin]

I think a chat with you and Rory Stewart could be really interesting to see.

[@chriswilliamson7694]

@son of Susan , not as boring as your predictable comment.

[@AndalusianIrish]

Please interview Naomi Long about the recent success of the Alliance party in Northern Ireland.

[@michaelwoods2903]

I'm an aussie living in Taiwan and as an outsider I could see Shorten failing to sell policy; to put it in a nutshell. You are right to bring up the Green New Deal and this where Labor lost it in Qld. The GND idea is correct in that it encompasses all the pressing issues within a positive umbrella of optimism and concern for the alienated working class who are losing jobs hand over fist worldwide. Focusing on creating new jobs is a successful idea but it needs smart people to modify it as AI cuts a swathe through jobs in the future and will blunt the goals of GND replacements. But Shorten wasn't charismatic enough to sell these ideas to the aussie workers. If Albanese had been leader Labor would have won. However the Libs will shoot themselves in the foot flogging anachronistic policies and Labor has to get closer to the people away from the image of unionized labor which is too redolent of traditional socialist politics. This is what Corbyn has to do as well. A modern socialism along the lines of the Nordic countries is a better image.

[@richardfox6595]

Maybe Australia should be self-sufficient in hydroelectric power like Norway. Why not, eh? More realistic than the utterly inane Green New Deal.

[@michaelwoods2903]

@@richardfox6595 The other nordic countries are successfully transforming through alternate energies and we'll get left behind again. They also implement GND policies so they're practical and not inane as you inanely suggest.

[@michaelwoods2903]

@@460mas They also voted him out after his party of corrupt hogs self imploded. They just needed better salesmen for Labor than the Shorten team.

[@DarkLordSauron100]

Do an interview with Kevin Rudd, or Paul Keating!

[@fishjj76]

He won't do it because they're too much like Tony Blair or Gordon Brown for Owen Jones' liking.

[@zo1dberg]

Labor lost because of Shorten. I liked him before he became leader of the Labor party, but not after.

[@duality7]

Agreed 100%. The man had nothing to go against the Libs and win. It didn't even seem like he actually tried to win tbh. One of the worst political campaigns I've ever seen.

[@Cr4zy_H0b0]

He seemed a bit wishy washy on environment; no real commitment to green-new-deal type arrangement in his answer? Don't know if that reflects their party policy or not.

[@Hephaestus84]

It absolutely reflects party policy. They took a policy to the election to open up the NT for fracking and are indifferent to the opening of the world’s largest coal mine because it will provide 100 (one hundred) jobs.

[@michaelwoods2903]

Wishy washy is accurate because the unions are divided over the rhetoric on coal jobs and also they're too wedded to traditional paradigms of socialism and capitalism that advocate welfare government most aussies dislike.

[@electro1622]

that's not Albanese.... that's Elmer Fudd.

[@djphineart]

The left keep losing because they are fixated with the opposition instead of looking at themselves. Why people didn’t vote Clinton is more important than why people voted Trump. Why the UK tories can stumble on like they have yet people won’t vote Corbyn. And now the same in Australia despite the polls (which are now useless btw). The left needs to look long and hard at itself and consider why it has abandoned the majority. IMHO

[@SH-fz9dy]

Take note.....most people who don't vote labour don't want mass migration and taxed to pay for everyone else.

[@stanmarks3950]

While the labour was abismal @ explaining/messaging or challenging coalition on their extensive scare campaign based on outright lies during this election, there is ongoing overall trend of ever diminishing labour "primary vote" over a number of elections. Many of low income, wealthfare recipients have abandoned/stop buying the message.

[@justinwellington6448]

Different economies. Much easier to do well in Australia because we have 25m people and the minerals of a continent, hence, we are greedier.

[@liamconlon4375]

Bill Shorten had a Miliband moment, but I'm not sure Albo is the Corbyn figure we need. Time will tell!

[@liamconlon4375]

@@460mas I'm not dunking on Albo, I like him. I just don't think he is at all similar to Gough or Bob. I think Corbyn is more like Whitlam than Albo is. I do like that Albo wants to grow the party base though. I'm just reserving judgement at the moment

[@scubasausage]

Liam Conlon a corbyn like figure? You mean a hopelessly incompetent old man who doesn’t give clear answers on anything and allows his opposition to get away with doing whatever the hell they want?

[@liamconlon4375]

Michael Morgan you mean the guy that helped increase labour’s vote share in 2017 to its highest point since 1945? The guy who, despite enormous bias from the media and the addition of the brexit party, still has labour ahead in most polls by about 6 points? The guy who’s been committed to ideals of social and economic justice for his whole career? Sounds pretty good to me!

[@jankongtantikul6444]

Australian Labor thought they were going to win so they started to prep the country on their very left-wing policies. Honesty is not always the best approach in politics. They should have just kept saying "we're not the NLP" and they would have won.

[@conorcorrigan765]

But don't you want to save Australia from horrible bigots like yourself?

[@conorcorrigan765]

@@TheTazzietiger That says tremendously more about you than it does about Labour...

[@maxmcg1621]

Luckily its the approach the ALP is using now with ALBO, just let the focus be on the government not the opposition which was Shortens biggest weakness

[@drake1896]

@@maxmcg1621 and they've been doing a pretty solid job so far

[@thelasthomelyhouse]

A burning skip. Such an accurate and depressing description 😢

[@ommanipadmehung3014]

you let the conservatives define you and define themselves.

[@mitchjames9350]

The left do that themselves.

[@edwardbliss8931]

He looked like a surfer when he was younger

[@clevercat9774]

Interview Andy Burnham

[@jennifertheyowiehunter8753]

Talk to Scott Morrison and interrogate him

[@foraustralia2558]

BUT Labor RUNS Australia... ALL major Legislation in the last 30 years had been Labor's! Financial Times & The Australian have both editorialise Labor reforms build our economic success .

[@anxiousandworrying1]

Like he objectively moved the ALP to the right after he took over, to the Right of a AWU hack like shorten it's honestly baffeling your giving him such an easy time

[@thomasjameswalterbenham3738]

No idear

[@petermanuel5043]

How about you interview Martin Jaques about China and climate change or Femi Oluwole about his campaign or noam chomsky on media manipulation?

[@inghell]

Peter Manuel might be quite tricky getting someone like Noam Chomsky. Would be fantastic though!

[@cmcg3738]

Owen’s Corbynista mate’s bullied Femi from standing in a by-election on a Remain ticket - why would he want to talk to anyone associated with them?

[@tetraforce3743]

Child sexual abuse is a big problem in English schools what can the Labour party do to change this I hope the Labour Party fix the British education System

[@drake1896]

Hahaha wrong labor party mate 🤣

[@thedolphin5428]

Morrison takes in a lump of coal to the parliament. Would that he take in a lump of uranium; then a kilo of water (to represent hydro power); and then a solar panel; then a bag of wind; all to show-and-tell the many resources we could use in this country. And then the following week he could table as evidence of their respective true outcomes: a bag of CO2; a bag of spent nuclear fuel; sone felled trees, a dry river, and numerous displaced animals from the hydro dams; no by-products for the solar; no by-products for the wind. Pollies doing vaudeville.

[@RogerJJSmith]

I wasn't that Corbyn was interested in cricket.

[@bigslydoc]

Owen, as a former Brit who lives in Australia now, I must admit I’ve not been impressed by Albo so far. He’s aided with our right wing govt on tax cuts. An impressive left wing Aussie pollie to interview if you could would be the Greens senator Larissa Waters. She’s excellent.

[@Austrocylindropuntia]

You’d probably like a chat with the leader of the Australian Greens, Richard Di Natale. I’d argue the Greens are why the ALP aren’t looking at a Green New Deal, the ALP is stuck walking a centrist tightrope.

[@fishjj76]

The Greens knocked back an Emissions Trading Scheme. Now Australia is stuck with the direct action approach. Don't blame Labor for its current position.

[@rodmartin-nl8ns]

Yer Albos laughing guess who changed the argument FROM ALBO TO SUPPERMARKETS WHAT ABOUT ALBO WEARING BUDGIE SMUGGLERS GUESS WHAT NO BUDGIE. HAHA

[@yggdrasil9039]

Yeah... but I don't think Bill Shorten was exactly PM material either though

[@nomadheros4663]

Rather Scotty from marketing? Albo is the real deal time to stop absolutely wrecking this country with another Liberal term!

[@fixeroftheinternet]

Could you interview Nick Cohen of the Observer? I used to quite like his stuff but nearly every article recently one way or another comes around to slagging off Jeremy Corbyn, largely quite irrationally. I am getting tired of him writing the same opinion piece every week of just blaming JC for all the worlds ills. It would interesting to ask him to justify his apparently irrational hatred of Jeremy

[@EthanRylettTV]

I was in Sydney throughout the NSW election and for a lot of the general election campaign; it was disgusting to see the tactics for the coalition even with their street campaigning, some volunteers being openly racist and homophobic. Also they were pretty keen for the Adani coal-mine (the biggest in the country) to go ahead in qld even though it could very much be the end of the great barrier reef. But on the other hand; everyone i spoke to from Labor were telling a positive message of inclusiveness and a fossil fuel free future. It was pretty hopeful.

[@mdrumt]

They aren't "the left"

[@drake1896]

Would you say the greens are on the left?

[@tetraforce3743]

One 10th of all boys in England have bleeding victims

[@superyachtchef]

What?

[@TomHasVideo]

Should've interviewed me Owen

[@danohyeah5893]

Are you an average working class person? Owen tends to only interview famous people.

[@TomHasVideo]

@@danohyeah5893 Nothing average about me

[@cromwellsghost3434]

Labour keeps losing because there attitude is poor. It’s ideas are poorly constructed. People don’t care about colour. Red, blue, yellow. They care about leadership, rational and constructive reasoning. 🤔

[@nicheman3612]

Rationalism isn't the first thing that comes to mind when I think of Conservatives. If people were more rational the Right would not win so many elections. The right-wing oligarch press live almost entirely in the gutter and on social media they run campaigns of massive disinformation (88% of conservative ads in the recent election were found to be lies or misleading). It filters through into the conversations I have with my predominantly right-wing family (they were UK conservatives even in the wilderness years of the New Labour era). They have no policy vision for the future they they truly believe in. They mostly just attack and smear - "You're just lazy/naive/unpatriotic etc..." I'm sure there still are conservatives out there who can quote Hobbes and Burke etc and have good faith discussion...but they seem to be a tiny fringe.

[@radlad6435]

People are fed up with nothing getting done. We need proper socialist policies not small inadequate socdem reforms

[@danohyeah5893]

So you'd be happy for the state to claim all of your inheritance?

[@radlad6435]

@@danohyeah5893 I want worker ownership of the means of production. Like worker co-ops. Look up syndicalism.

[@danohyeah5893]

@@radlad6435 Plenty of co-ops. Nearly one on every corner where I live. Quite expensive though compared to other supermarkets.

[@tommygunrunner4656]

Your proposal is actually a solution to the title of this video.

[@TheAdekrijger]

Keeps nodding constantly.

[@mariocroatia9321]

Because the Left has nothing to offer people.All Left does is play Identity Politics in order to devide nations and push trough the globalist agenda

[@helios8459]

If you actually think the socialist left is globalist you’re insane. Neoliberalism =/= socialism

[@fullmarx6589]

Plzz....talk to corbyn

[@truthnotopinion3659]

Absolutely, love people to see Jones is a fan, one more nail in the Labour coffin lol

[@asitisrequiredasitisrequir3411]

so sad to see Labour lose the recent australian election, If you could interview some prominent, or even less prominent left wing you tube persons that would be interesting (and I think help grow the channel) for example Phylosiphy tube, Hbomberguy, or smaller ones also, like essense of thought, Jack saint, curio

[@gonzaloayalaibarre]

0:02 Disgusting, how dare they display rows and rows of enslaved, chained trees! We must destroy the shackles that repress the treefolk and put an end to the evil excesses of Isengard once and for all! I kinda got distracted by your trees with fancy steel jackets.

[@morshedalamkhan5935]

Please all refugees and asylum seekers for permanent resident and without english test citizenship. "Give Australia Think Australia Love Australia " Regards Morshed Khan

[@tetraforce3743]

Only a Labour government can fix Britain's education system and make an education system for the many not the few

[@keithferns6212]

Ads disruption..😠😈

[@keithferns6212]

Becky HilVevo

[@keithferns6212]

8 videos

[@thedolphin5428]

Polls lie. Pollsters lie. The public lies. The media lies. Such fantasies and delusions as to who might win any election are born by the ignorant to lead the ignorant.

[@danieloliver4558]

Left = lunacy right is right it’s as simple as that really

[@allansmythe5822]

For all the British viewers out there, "Albo" is a blairite to the core.

[@michaelwoods2903]

Maybe, but he has the hindsight to know how Blair failed so will be a fairer interim leader till more modern paradigms of governance emerge.

[@josephearp7180]

Albo is no friend of any leftist movement, Owen. Australian Labor is just a centre-right party. They support our country’s brutal immigration policy, refuse to look into raising the jobseeker allowance. He’s about as much of a leftist as David Cameron.

[@thomasjameswalterbenham3738]

This guy has no iddar

[@thomasjameswalterbenham3738]

No idear

[@welshhibby]

because the left got involved in identity politics

[@drake1896]

Shorten barely involved himself in that. Maybe to the working class they just associated labor with Clinton but I don't think thats a big reason

[@andrewmeiklem5098]

Albo!!!!!!!! Let's mop up the LNP Muppets!

[@TheAdekrijger]

Knows nothing about tech.

[@benjamin4894]

Ha! Just imagine, the green-left social degenerates probably consider this a 'meeting of the minds'... 😜

[@anthonywhelan4660]

I like albo. I'm traditionally Labor leaning. However, Bill Shorten and others in the party have gone into intersectional politics and scared away older Labor voters who could see the stalinisation of the party and voted accordingly.

[@umzwap]

Hi Owen, big fan. Please talk to Jackie Walker!

[@thedrvn]

To put it as clearly as possible, it's because they're not representative of the majority. Just the minority who enjoy being loud. Fortunately, the loudest cow does not produce the best milk.

[@tomgibson6801]

and the right wing are?

[@robbiepethicksrightear3352]

Evan Bernard hell of a lot more than the left!!

[@tomgibson6801]

@@robbiepethicksrightear3352 right wing politics only help the rich

[@danohyeah5893]

@@tomgibson6801 Tell that to the millions of Chinese that were pulled out of poverty thanks to capitalism.

[@tomgibson6801]

@@danohyeah5893 tell that to the millions of brits put into poverty by capitalism in the 80s

[@chrismorris3100]

Labor needs to grow a spine and move further left, stand up to the media and work with the greens

[@fabienmerteuil6226]

What it boils down to isthat you need to appeal to the centre to win elections, because voting is compulsory, he didn’t mention Clive Palmer or the fact that over a quarter voted for minor parties. Australians also don’t like change (thus conservatives by default), it means we have to think 🙄. Climate change is a hugely divisive issue!

[@bakedbeanishdragon]

Anthony Albanese? More like Anthony Lemon-Squeezey!

[@reecemacaulay1690]

simply,the left thinks it major working class base is as socially liberal as its middle class elites...they simply aren’t they are socially conservative they vote for a left wing party because.... uh economic reasons. the same reason as the conservative party is failing ( tip not because of social liberalism

[@petrarovanski3824]

he sounds punch drunk

[@pena1197]

@@460mas Albanian*

[@adamkhan442]

LNP

[@thomasjameswalterbenham3738]

Why is elbo talking to this know body!

[@superyachtchef]

You numpty

[@michaelwoods2903]

vip to allow nobodies into the journalist arena to challenge corrupt corporate media

[@Jamal-Ahmed786]

The left keep losing because the left vote is bitterly divided while the right wing vote is generally United

[@benredfern2693]

If the Murdoch press is so influential , why do labor governments win state elections . The obvious answer is that on national issues Labor are on the nose .

[@MrMdodell]

They rarely do and when they do its only because Murdoch can't cover up all the shitfuckery.

[@HaddenMellorss]

Perhaps it's because the Fed Libs keep giving Murdoch millions in tax money (ie women's Sports coverage) while also refusing to fix the tax loopholes that Murdoch exploits?

[@ADerpyReality]

Coalition. ALP always gets the most 1# votes but the Coalition rigs the preferential system linking parties together. Coalition plays both sides of it and then accuses ALP of being in a coalition with Greens.

[@meanmr.mustard3096]

everything wrong with labor 8:58

[@Jonnie-Falafel]

He's concerned about people 'Who get their information from (single) sources'... people who live in bubbles. That's most of your ideologically possessed tribe mate.

[@AbstractSoup]

Ignoring the fact that Australia has one of the most consolidated media industries in the world? And that the Guardian is one of the few independent papers, and one of the only left leaning papers, we have in Australia?

[@dougcane4059]

Albanese is looking somewhat spineless by allowing the tax 'reforms' through - The Labor party is in danger of morphing into the Liberal party making us a one party state.

[@santobellomo8775]

Owen you wasted 11 minutes of your life on this fool

[@Da1Dez]

He's just become Labour prime minister of Australia... something nobody here in the UK can seem to do.

[@Liam-uh3pr]

Boris Johnson in the uk 🇬🇧 Salvini in Italy 🇮🇹 Donald trump in the us 🇺🇸 Orban in Hungary 🇭🇺 Modi in India 🇮🇳 Bolsonaro in Brazil 🇧🇷 It's not going well for you lot is it? 🤣

[@scubasausage]

People in the west are too smart to vote for left wing parties in 2019.

[@sheep3370]

*too dumb?

[@michaelwoods2903]

So look out for the US in 2020

[@scubasausage]

@@michaelwoods2903 Im sure you will try and have him impeached again after he wins.

[@georgeash4008]

Free Tommy Robinson, our generations Nelson Mandela.

[@epicpanda102]

george ash Mandela wasn’t a Nazi

[@zombiematt2006]

george ash who did Tommy Robinson Kill?

[@frantreml7795]

george ash didn’t realise Nelson Mandela was a coke head thug ?

[@georgeash4008]

@@frantreml7795 It is racist to call Mr Mandela a coke head thug just because he is black. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[@steverendle6827]

“Why do the left keep loosing elections?” Asks the bed wetting soy boy.

[@heatherm1439]

Murdoch is not the enemy, Owen. The social media platforms that silence conservative opinions have the MOST to answer for.

[@aethelwulfofwessex7152]

"1 in 15 young Australians are Aboriginies yet they make up 50% of the inmates of youth detention centres". Discrimination? Owen, please study IQ - crime correlation.

[@patrickelliot943]

lol at thinking IQ is a legitimate measure of intelligence

[@theyeening]

No, you shall study the correlation between crime and poverty.

[@aethelwulfofwessex7152]

Patrick Elliot I'm sure you're right, IQ is irrelevant, it's not like it's the greatest predictor we have of long term life outcomes. Like your friend Slovenian lefty says it's just poverty, there's nothing that can't be solved by giving people more money, we'll all behave 'equally' then i'm sure. The thing that puzzles me about that though is, why do people in the same poverty bracket behave differently within the law? It's almost as if race & biology is real or something? When i was a lefty, i used to think like you. I used to think there was nothing that the external environment couldn't cure & white people just had to work harder & give more to all these wonderful non white people & then it will all be fine. It was a sense of being virtuous, a fantastic righteous indagnation about the sins of ones own people. 'Race isn't real, we're all the same therefore our outcomes should be the same...' Reality, however, has a way of intruding, no matter how disagreeable.

[@AbstractSoup]

@@aethelwulfofwessex7152 I dare you to find me ONE peer reviewed article that supports race realism and the IQ correlation. Science is not on your side, friend.

[@AbstractSoup]

@@aethelwulfofwessex7152 A few things. I only had to start at Terrie Moffitt to find out her research was focused on the environmental impacts on human development, and their correlation to crime. Which would imply that environmental factors (for example growing up in a broken, marginalised community) influence IQ and can be a predictor of future antisocial or criminal behaviour. Totally non controversial. Remember of course, in the case of IQ, correlation != causation. It seems like you're hyper focusing on IQ, when it seems like in these studies they're used as metrics for human development. So this would support the idea that marginalised communities need further development, better education etc, in order to improve things like the crime rate. I mean living conditions in many Aboriginal communities in Aus are literally 3rd world. Maybe that would imply some level of discrimination. So aside from cherry picking data from studies that support the opposite of your views, the real complaint I had with your initial assertion was that there is some intrinsic connection between race and IQ, and therefore race and crime. And you didn't come up with anything that come remotely close to that. So again, keep being racist if you want, but just know there's nothing scientific about it.