Owen Jones meets Kate Hoey | 'The European Union cannot live with reform'

[@cwehden]

'We use the word racist far far to easily these days' thank god this women had the balls to call out Owen on his nonsense.

[@erzan]

Carl Wehden Brexit was fueled by racism.

[@cwehden]

no it was fuelled by the reality of incompatible cultures being forced to live side by side.

[@boodleboo8248]

*_"she's a RED TORY and has NO PLACE in the Labour Party"_* That's called bigotry She's a socialist, therefore she belongs in the socialist party, which is Labour

[@boodleboo8248]

*_"Brexit was fueled by racism."_* Correct, your racism fueled Brexit.....thanks for the racism :-)

[@borderlands6606]

Kate Hoey is a socialist not a communist. The Labour Party is a socialist party. I'd like the parasitic Marxist Leninists and Trotskyists to stop using my party as a host.

[@johnrambo99999]

Love how brexiteers get called racist ALL the time. I am a brexiteer, my wife is German and my children are half asian. Controlling immigration is not racist.

[@Josith13]

Racism - healthy scepticism of those who are different and may not be a fit for the existing society. I'm racist errybody, just gonna start wearing it. Only "white" countries are held to this standard of diversity and inclusivity, and the erasure of our culture therein - why might that be? Go elsewhere and we will bend over to learn and be respectful of the natives, not bitch and moan for it to change and "pls include me daddy". Good example would be Japan. Nobody gets to show up there and say something is "too asian".

[@Roy-ts9nv]

I agree, I'm always being called a racist because I'd prefer not to see my country turn into Pakistan. Can't bloody say anything these days without being called some kind of ist.

[@debeeriz]

it would be if nigel said we are only going to except white immigrants but he said the opposite, saying you want britain for the british is nationalistic just like rooting for your local football team

[@pepepinochetshelicoptertou2696]

I’m a brexiteer and my wife is Japanese. People are sick of people claiming to be left wing and just calling people names who disagree with them. Labour is going through a disappointing phase.

[@robertrussell2202]

I voted remain but I agree. There is more to the debate than whether u r a racist or not

[@polaris7122]

"IF WE RENEGE ON THIS WE ARE IN TROUBLE" how prophetic

[@simonclare100]

Owen Jones really thinks he can change the EU !!! how naive can you be, just shows he doesn't understand the EU at all

[@daddycool228]

That's what I was thinking. Let him go over there and try to reform it...let's see how far he gets. He is in cuckoo land. Maybe it suits him to have a 'stance' he can milk without having the remotest idea how to do it. Hmmm...sounds like a gravy train

[@BigHenFor]

Rather, it shows you don't understand the EU.

[@josephhilditch5086]

I'm with Kate Hoey on Brexit. I find it ironic you wrote a book called The Establishment and how they get away with it when you tried to keep the established order in place with the EU

[@cwehden]

Joseph Hilditch I know, the irony! You couldn't​ make it up 😂

[@josephhilditch5086]

I regard global trade as progressive...Trade within a Bloc isn't so progressive to me

[@garethgriffiths2100]

Owen Jones is utterly wet

[@josephhilditch5086]

He may be gay as I am but I don't share his worldview

[@garethgriffiths2100]

The issue is Joseph that he is better fixating on lightweight issues like gay rights, why because anything were he cannot beat people over the head is beyond him. He is a simpering clown.

[@dan1911a]

Kate Hoey is actively fighting against council estate DEMOLITION in Lambeth and very much defending our library services from lambeth New Labour. Owen on the other hand has remained silent on asset stripping by his own party & the demolition of working class homes. Owen is indeed part of the establishment.

[@thebrexiteermarkh1417]

Not many Labour MPs left who stand for the working classes. Well done, Kate Hoey.

[@zavi13]

She stands for the xenophobes and bigots

[@nudgenudgewinkwink3212]

@The Flying Dutchman Yes it stands about 4% at the moment.

[@Roy-ts9nv]

How will Brexit improve life for the working classes?

[@richardb1949]

You can have a nice ride without chasing a fox to its death ! Just saying !

[@PurushaDesa]

Richard W. Bradford Her defence seemed to boil down to, "Oh most riders are just complicit bystanders taking in the beautiful scenery of foxes having their lungs collapsed in for fun. Stop smearing everyone!"

[@rachelatwood9555]

you can have a fox hunt where the scent of the fox is dragged along an intricate course in the woods ahead of time that the hounds chase and the riders follow without actually involving terrorizing a live animal.

[@callumpledge3770]

Richard W. Bradford I’ve been on a hunt when I was younger around 13/14 and it’s was very boring but exiting too, It was a stag tho not a fox but i struggle to find the line when as a culture we breed animals for the sole purpose of eating them, if we really cared about animal welfare we would give up a lot of clothes and food we eat

[@heldinahtmlhell]

I'm assuming you're a vegan? Fox hunting should obviously be illegal. But billions of animals live worse lives and die comparable deaths, to provide you pleasure. You just don't see it, or do it yourself. And foxes die horrible deaths anyway, that's nature. Most get run over by cars, or succumb to infection and die a slow death.

[@redstar7292]

I am against fox hunting - but there are factors such as the hunting dogs that have been bred for generations. It could mean a lot of them being put down.

[@escole48]

I agree with Kate Hoey. I was in tune with all that she said. I'm a Brexit supporter. I'm no Tory, but I can't bring myself to support Labour as it is. I would vote against the current set up even if it meant suffering longer Tory rule. If only there were more Labour MPs like Kate Hoey and Gisela Stewart.

[@felimvajda9663]

From what Hoey said, she would definitely still support Corbyn over the other side so you can't be that in tune with her.

[@alastairandrew9722]

If Labour ever want a female PM, they will have to elect someone like this as leader. Level headed , wise and fair, she also has her own mind and doesn't come across as a smarmy career politician that just toes the party line.

[@martynfenton4862]

After 45 yrs he STILL does not get it. The eu is going in one direction and is not reformable - wake up owen!

[@matthewv4170]

Owens 45???

[@minimead368]

Why not? It’s full of MEP’s so get enough support and you could, I would argue that no one or group has seriously tried, and cameron didn’t try he thought he could walk in and just demand stuff, and well you wouldn’t get a sweet of your kid if you demanded it

[@jackbaker4459]

Absolutely right! what annoys me the most is this idea amongst many on the left that you can't be labour or a socialist and be for leaving the EU! Preposterous really when you think that the traditional labour voters up north voted pretty much unanimously for a leave vote! lol

[@minimead368]

Jack Baker ? so many on the left think if you’re on the left you can’t be for brexit but many people on the left voted leave, 🤔 sort of destroyed your own argument their!!!

[@jackbaker4459]

ok I see your point on my simplicity of language, clearly should have made a distinction between the liberal (fake left) rampant in London and metro areas and the true left in places up north, notably old mining towns where generations of working class miners ect have lived. Those who live i the bubble fail to see the issues within an undemocratic and fascist state like the European Union while those who have lived in a time before that do. Some younger socialists do see the truth like I do, but many are brainwashed.

[@MrBrianMack]

Anyone that thinks it's ok for a pack of animals to rip another animal to shreds and then have the blood of that animal smeared on the face of an infant in some barbaric initiation ceremony is deranged.

[@andrewsim9180]

Kate Hoey is a refreshing example of a pragmatic, realistic, Labour politician. Also, Unlike Jeremy, who is endlessly opaque, and an infuriating fence-sitter, she's a conviction politician who says what she means and who is not afraid to go against the consensus/es within her party. People vote for leaders who don't equivocate. I want to pay tribute to Owen Jones for patiently interviewing so many politicians/ commentators with contrary opinions to his own. That too is refreshing and constructive [journalism] from which I learn much.

[@110110pab]

When you flood the market with cheap labour, it depresses wages and the working class ( the people that would Most notice a small change in earnings) suffer. the only people that benefit are factory owners. As a socialist, this shouldn't be hard to understand... you'd think

[@sid35gb]

110110pab they could have just put the minimum wage sorts out the cheap labour problem😉

[@jameswebster4689]

Empirically untrue, we need to start moving away from basic supply and demand. Doesn't reflect reality

[@tharunthiruseelan4252]

@@sid35gb Then the factory owner who usually has thin profit margins would be forced to fire either the native or immigrant workers. If the workers unionize the factory will more likely be shut down due to higher labor costs which make the majority of business costs.

[@sid35gb]

Tharun Thiruseelan if the factory owner can’t run a profitable business they shouldn’t be in business.

[@arjuncalidas2736]

@@tharunthiruseelan4252 that is a proper load of bollocks right there..

[@deafected]

I don't agree with her on some issues, but the more I look into Kate Hoey the more I respect her. She's undoubtedly a good voice for libertarian socialists, particularly the older generation.

[@fatboiplaysvr3523]

Liberal Socialist?

[@deafected]

Nope.

[@kensummers7757]

Libertarian isn't the same as liberal, you ficktard.

[@deafected]

Pretty much. Not all liberals are left wing and not all libertarians are right wing.

[@kensummers7757]

Jack James The problem is that the Liberal Party isn’t particularly “Liberal” in a OED kind of way. The party has its own “we know best” views of the proletariat, much like the other, “command economy “ socialist parties. I’m afraid the party with the most liberated view point ( which I define as “ Do as you please to yourself, if it doesn’t impact on me, then carry on, boy”) is probably the Wicked Tories.

[@EclipseOfTsuki93]

Apart from her views on Fox Hunting, I find myself agreeing with many things that Kate Hoey said. Definitely, like the Rand Paul for Socialists. Libertarian Socialists, they do exist.

[@yougotsoul8939]

She's from a Unionist Ulster background and Fox hunting was another way of them clinging onto old British culture of the upper classes that they worshiped over there.

[@UlstersFreedom]

Utter nonsense. There's very few fox hunts in Northern Ireland despite how rural Northern Ireland is!

[@MIKECHENDERSON1]

I voted remain in June 2016, but now would vote Leave. Owen does not seem very open minded, in my opinion anyway.

[@stfnba]

Good for you. Myself, and 3 million of EU citizens living here could not vote at all on a matter that directly impact our lives.

[@iainmclaughlan1557]

The EU is about power not economics. The EU cannot be reformed. Kate Hoey is correct in that we will look back and see Brexit as the greatest move in modern British history.

[@Crissy_the_wonder]

Leaving the EU will harm the many. The inevitable economic downturn will hurt the many. And it will allow the government to overturn worker's rights. Labour Leavers (a minority of Labour members) will betray ordinary people. And Corbyn, a Brexiter at heart will let ordinary people down. Brexit is isolationism, authoritarianism, nationalism and racism

[@ZodeakUrganomix]

"I don't believe in animal rights either, because it's a human concept" What a terrible argument. We can make rights for nature as well then. Come on Owen, you're begging the question.

[@jonobrow]

That's not what he said.

[@danielc6560]

That was one of the most bizzare comments I have ever heard in my entire life. Not believing in animal rights because it is a "human concept", well there goes human rights, governments, nation states, democracy, socialism. Should we stop believing in these things too? Unless I mishead him, but that is what the subtitles said.

[@rp1455]

Daniel C He meant it's applying a human concept towards animals, not that we should throw away all human concepts. I thought that was pretty obvious. Although I still don't agree with that argument on animal rights, and I do think that they are important, not simply animal welfare.

[@danielc6560]

Okay. I haven't heard of people trying to extend human rights to animals. They obviously don't need the freedom of expression or the right to assembly. But I can't really see the difference between animal having the "right" not to be mauled to death by dogs, or the "right" for livestock to be reaered in decent conditions, and what Hoey refers to as "animal welfare". To me it just sounds like someone just trivialise the barabarity of fox hunting.

[@ZodeakUrganomix]

Of course they shouldn't have all the rights we do, but what about the right to exist? The right to be free from oppression and pain? Tell me why nature shouldn't have rights and people should. I would also be very careful about some seriously inaccurate assumptions you're making about animal behaviour; animals DO have feelings and emotions, obviously. Ever interacted with a dog? Humans have neural architecture that promotes emotion because it reinforces positive and negative experiences than in turn increase the chances of survival; the majority of vertebrates have the same neural architecture for the same evolutionary reasons. Many "higher" animals DO feel emotion (including foxes) and I don't see why legislating against arseholes that want to inflict pain on these conscious entities is childish.

[@simonjlkoreshoff3426]

She’s a Labour MP deliberately misrepresenting Labour Party policy on Brexit which is that we stay in a Customs Union. What Hoey describes is Tory Brexit policy. That is, she defends May’s red lines.

[@cliffordhatton4444]

'Jones, an extreme far-left activist known for his ceaseless denunciation of normal, decent people, spews his hatred and unashamed lies at every opportunity. This odious globalist and left-wing fanatic can regularly be seen on KZbin and other media, his face twisted with anger, hurling vile abuse at men and women of all ages and backgrounds. Obsessed with labelling millions and millions of normal, tax-paying, law-abiding Britons as 'far right', his undiluted far-left venom is intended to pollute and poison the impressionable minds of young, vulnerable people. Jones - known by any number of other names - peddles his disgusting politics at far-left rallies and in corrupt, sympathetic TV studios, shamelessly perverting the truth with his evil, unprincipled filth. Jones MUST be silenced at all costs because we don't agree with him...any more than he agrees with us'. Did you like that, Owen? Not nice, is it? Difference is - this is TRUE.

[@carterhaughbooks4333]

So... the fox suffers less drawn-out terror in the death-chase, and less agony being ripped apart alive, when she realises that only a few people will be watching? Surely Hoey is a variant of "hooey" meaning rubbish or nonsense.

[@BartAnderson_writer]

Good interview. Nice to see intelligent people disagreeing. That's why I keep up with British politics, for moments like this.

[@almudenasanchez2247]

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[@Rafael-xt1nm]

Kate Hoey is FAR from intelligent

[@paulhiggins8524]

owen thingy don't got no brains. he's thick

[@lsmith992]

Paul Higgins. Wonderful English .

[@markussavicus6695]

@@Rafael-xt1nm so being an MP for 31 years means you are stupid, "If they attack you personally, they have not a single political argument left",,,,, thatcher. you have NOTHING so attempt to discredit via speculation, and as the famous saying goes, ``speculation is the mother of all stupidity``.

[@stianbirkholz]

This woman would have gotten my vote. She is consistent on issues and even voted against the Labour-led war in Iraq in 2003.

[@awesomeavenger2810]

He calls her out for sharing a platform with Nigel Farage, while the type of people the present labour leadership hangs out with makes the BNP look like moderates!

[@oliverdesvaux]

Or remainers on the Left who shared platforms with right wing tories who implemented austerity and universal credit?

[@Spenner56]

Owen Jones should admit that the biggest single lie in the referendum campaign was David Cameron's slogan: "campaigning to stay in a reformed European Union". What reform? Kate Hoey once worked for the (unelected) EU commission, she knows how the EU functions (as did Tony Benn) whereas Owen still refuses to believe that "The European Project" is a new empire in the making.

[@Ackreti]

EU is in process of seeking the consensus on the reform with major players announcing their ideas. However you must realize there is a year into elections and nobody will even try to reform the EU before it takes place.

[@rfmckean]

I think Jones' concept of a reformable EU is necessary due to his partisan anti Toryism. Blame must be placed on 'Cameron and the Tories' (and let's forget about 'Blair and Labour'!). When you realize that his 'reformable EU' is just magical thinking, his anti Brexit argument is fundamentally destroyed.

[@quentinnewark2745]

Spenner56 perfectly put, I remember during the Brexit Referendum Cameron summarised every speech with the phrase “remain within a reformed EU”... without ever spelling out either the nature of the reform nor the path to it. Personally I see this as the great Remain Campaign “lie”, equivalent to the £350m bus, because it may have induced many to vote Remain who didn’t like the EU, oh but it’s going to be reformed. Really how? Owen hasn’t given any detail either, at least I’ve never read any or watched any.

[@quentinnewark2745]

Ackreti reform is a process you go through to arrive at an end point. The only end point being discussed seriously in the EU currently is an EU army, greater financial integration, further enlargement (several states in the waiting room). There is no discussion or enthusiasm of let’s call it the British model for an end point, a simple trading block, no Commission!

[@JoeyXII]

Hi Owen, great video - just a correction however. Birmingham voted overall to the leave EU, as did the majority of the districts in Manchester. I think immigration was a large reason for the vote, but I think sovereignty clearly played an important role.

[@EdwardBrackstoneFilms]

I’m a classical liberal and don’t really agree on Owen with much but I genuinely enjoyed this interview this women is quite the interesting character she seems to be all over their place

[@moshemankoff7488]

It's one thing to vote leave. It's another thing to be laughing and joking with Nigel Farage and claiming he's not a racist.

[@iComment87]

Great interview, Owen. Kate Hoey is my kind of lefty.

[@Eric-ys8do]

but shes not a lefty

[@bruh949]

⁠​⁠@@Eric-ys8dosaid the centrist lib

[@jackmorgan0]

Fox hunting really isn’t the big topic here.

[@borderlands6606]

Agreed. Infer she's a racist, then out of touch with Labour policy, then cruel to animals, then guilty by association. Kate Hoey's views sound mainstream Labour Party before it was purloined by identity politicians.

[@garethgriffiths2100]

No it is Owen Jones boring us to death with his 6th form views, he is a joke

[@nicholasthornley9708]

I couldn't vote for anyone who supported fox hunting.

[@tigerspuds]

@@garethgriffiths2100 Why watch him then?

[@sid35gb]

Talking about the cost of EU membership is joke when in the last 3 years Since the vote the UK has lost more money then the total contributions it's made ti the EU in the last 40 years.

[@markussavicus6695]

@uildanach2010 we havent lost access to the single market, we wont lose access either, MEMBERSHIP and ACCESS are 2 very different things, similar to the fact that the eu is not Europe.

[@smudgeevans2693]

No, what people don't like is the fact that "posh" people do it.

[@mateuszpapla]

exactly, nobody likes posh people

[@quentinnewark2745]

Smudge Evans I remember Ken Clarke telling the story when they were voting on the Act that ended hunting, in the lobby, Labour MP Tony Banks coming up to him and saying “this is for the miners”.

[@quentinnewark2745]

Smudge Evans the “Countryside March”, which protested against the ban, which affected people of every socio-economic bracket - who breeds and tends and trains the dogs and horses, looks after the estates, not one posh person - was one of the largest public protests in British history: at least half a million folk. Labour utterly unmoved. As they were unmoved by the million who marched against involvement in Iraq.

[@JAMAICADOCK]

A socialist Brexit I would've supported, but obviously that wasn't ever going to happen.

[@anglodoomer5995]

It could have happened with Corbyn

[@danielwebb8402]

A fair and grown up interview. Can't say that of much in today's discourse, so we'll done Mr Jones.

[@rogerbennett9641]

I have to agree, he did manage to restrain himself from spouting the usual bullshit he must have been a little in awe of someone of the left with more experience and intelligence than he will probably ever have.

[@garethgriffiths2100]

He is pathetic.

[@garethgriffiths2100]

Didn't know you were a fan of Oscar Wilde Phil

[@daddycool228]

@@garethgriffiths2100 yep, he is obsessed. She is much more of a pragmatist

[@Emm.Jaycee]

Owen, hats off to you for giving us this interview and please don't take the establishment comment as a "jibe" when you would be *far* better served by reflecting on it as advice.What I find *so* refreshing about Kate Hoey is how she can be a Labour MP but still maintain well considered and principled views irrespective of whether they align with the party. Both you and I Owen could take a leaf out of her book as too can all the people commenting here and singling out one thing she said; I too find fox hunting abhorrent yet she completely nailed my position on the EU so am I supposed to lover her or hate her? As it turns out I should try to be more like her and so should we all.

[@michellechurchland4213]

The only reason I watched this is because of Kate Hoey(Owen Jones being a bit too elitist/Blairite for my liking).Agree with Kate about most things(not fox hunting)as a Lexiteer who voted for leave initially, mostly because of the disgusting way that the EU commissioners colluded with the ECB and the IMF to exploit the situation in Greece for there own financial gain. Another issue I have with the EU is about the way it drives privatisation and austerity.Something I've noticed that people like Owen Jones and all the other establishment-owned commentators/MPs, refuse to ever mention or discuss. The leave campaign was deliberately engineered by the establishment to be the official voice for Brexit(rather than people on the left such as Galloway,Aaron Baastani,Paul Emberry etc.)so that none of these arguments would ever be heard. Instead, they made sure any opposition to the EU was centred around immigration,so that anyone supporting Brexit could then be easily labelled as racist and so immediately dismissed,thereby avoiding any REAL scrutiny of what the EU ACTUALLY is, and how it operates, and why people who are really on the left such as all genuine socialist Parties,Europe wide and ppl like Tony Benn,Bob Crowe,George Galloway,Authur Scargill etc, as well as many others,including those mentioned above,have always opposed the EU. If you look at their actual legislation,there is NOTHING socialist about the EU. It's set up entirely for the benefit of big global corporations,privateers and banks;the price for which is paid for by the exploitation of the workers and weakest in society,who suffer most from EU driven austerity policies and the EU enforced restrictions on government spending,hence massive cuts to public services Europe-wide..

[@DrRaadM]

Fair but calling OJ Blairite is pretty off the mark don't you reckon?

[@michellechurchland4213]

@@DrRaadM Not really, given his behaviour during the second leadership election, when he backed Owen (pfizer)Smith

[@SarcasticTasha]

We really should have heard more of the argument for lexit during the referendum. It is pretty disgusting that leave voters are treated like racist idiots when as she says there are different reasons for ppl voting leave. I think she hit the nail on the head that it was an anti establishment vote more than a racist vote, but I guess remainers wouldn't be able to be so smugly superior if they admitted that.

[@2008coatsy]

What a ridiculous way to justify fox hunting.

[@44deluxe]

Would love to see you interview Tommy Robinson.

[@hugostiglitz1673]

WayT101 lol the EDL was not a working class movement and Robinson is petty bourgeois.

[@bunkerbill]

Good one.

[@viloscohaagen4230]

44deluxe I wouldn't hold your breath, Owen wouldn't even go on a debate show with Douglas Murray!

[@concerned_englander3713]

Tommy would rip him apart with facts. The most lied about man in Britain. Our whole establishment is against him. That alone should speak volumes!

[@viloscohaagen4230]

Haveluploads amen!

[@aodhancunningham6547]

Disappointed you didn’t ask the obvious question to Kate on the Irish border issue and the effect Brexit will have there.

[@SP-ri7jo]

The EU want nothing for the proletariat they want everything to be privatised, apart for freedom of movement there is nothing good about the EU.

[@ianrobertson5016]

Buy yourself a colour TV. The world is so much more interesting when you don't see everything in black and white.

[@jock-of-ages73]

Tell your friends.

[@MusicTeacherGuyNorristown]

Well, she was right about the danger of losing Labour votes. But she was wrong about Jeremy.

[@Summer-1976]

Great interview, I agree with Kate on so many things but you can't defend fox hunting, it's cruel and nasty and plays to the worst part of humanity while trying to dress it up as a jolly day out.

[@rynglbrt_]

Let's not pretend that if we remained in the EU any changes/reforms would have happened. Cameron tried making tiny changes before calling the ref and got laughed out the building, yet alone the larger reforms remainers were promising. The EU is beyond reform. Remember when Scotland had their referendum and the remain in the UK side promised reforms to give Scotland more powers etc? After they voted to remain in the UK the whole referendum is a distant memory and all of the promises have been forgotten about or beytrayed, because they voted to stay so it doesn't matter. That would have happened if we voted to remain in the EU.

[@rogerbennett9641]

What powers were promised to Scotland that have not or are not in the process of being devolved? Changes and reforms are continuously happening in the EU take your seat for the next fight between Macron and Germany over equal sharing of the debt for all the colonies. If we had remained in the EU the responsibilties of our B O E and parliament would become tiny after we would have been forced to have the Euro.

[@johndonnelly7270]

Despite their irrelevance to the outcome of the referendum I am also interested to hear what powers Scotland did not get considering that the Smith Commission, unfortunately, devolved significant powers to the Scottish Parliament. The UK is a centuries old nation whilst the EU is a supranational intergovernmental political organisation, the two are not comparable. The trend of power dispersal within the UK is devolution outwards from central government whilst the trend within the EU is centralisation from nation states to Brussels.

[@Ackreti]

Reform is definitely not happening before 2019 elections. That's logical. Also Cameron came back from EU satisfied, so I don't know what are you talking about.

[@alexrafter]

That was a terrible defence of fox hunting. Come on, you can make a better argument than that.

[@jonobrow]

It wasn't so much a defence as a deconstruction of the issue as a red herring in the context of animal welfare.

[@End-Result]

I really don't think she or anyone else can.

[@wallywoodwally5877]

Alex Rafter This is Jones's channel. Did you not notice the sharp edit at that point?

[@topcatprostituto]

He edit it!

[@pauladams1814]

question ade Pathetic argument following your logic we'd legalise pedophiles and dog fighters.

[@SirAmicVarze]

Her views make a lot more sense if you consider her as a kind of 1970s Labourite. Back then the left still had conservative views on social issues and were anti-EU but at the same time were trade unionists and strongly supportive of the workers.

[@ianrobertson5016]

Kate Hoey is my MP. I like this video because you let her speak and conducted the interview in a non-confrontational and fair manner. I still don't agree with her stance on foxhunting, grammar schools and Brexit but I understand her position better now. She is very good on matters of peace and in supporting the Labour leadership. But she is not at all popular with members of the constituency Labour party in Vauxhall mainly due to her seeming admiration for Farage and her awful stance on Ireland in the context of Brexit. I believe she has stated that she will not stand again for MP in Vauxhall if the parliament runs to the full term, so we will get a new candidate next time.

[@mickeyhynes]

God I hope so.

[@danielc6560]

That last sentence is the best news I have heard all week.

[@tingastar10]

Owen I found it interesting that you did not respond to Kate, when she said the British people were lied to in the 1970' s regarding joining the EU, and what this system was all about?

[@yeovil50]

Probably because what she said was true. My parents voted for the EEC in 1975. My Father spent years telling me that he was lied to and what it had become. Hence at the age of 84 he voted to leave.

[@asanulsterman1025]

Kate Hoey is the kind of Labour politician you could vote for... and one of the few who properly stands up for Northern Ireland... despise Owen smarmy Jones.

[@ftlpope]

Lambeth was the second highest 'remain' constituency after Gilbralter. She is not only in favour of fox hunting but was chair of the Countryside Alliance. Grammar schools are designed for the lower middle class who cannot afford private education but don't want their kid to mix with the working class and if there were a campaign to eradicate them all, I would join it in an instant. She voted against her own party asking for an investigation into the murder of a catholic lawyer. I have never heard her speak for her borough in which she does not live but I do. I think she now sits in parliament with the party of the 17th century, the DUP.

[@jakecolburn8946]

We all knew the 'bus' wasn't accurate because Nigel Farage told us from the off it wasn't accurate...but we voted to leave anyway.

[@jimbeam5891]

Labour figures like Tony Benn and Peter Shore warned that membership of the Common Market would result in the inevitable relinquishment of our sovereignty. Since that vote in 1975, we have seen this come to fruition especially with the Lisbon treaty. Yet, rather bizarrely, the Labour Party has largely not seen any issue with this, and seem to all unanimously agree that this is a desirable outcome. I think this split in values speaks volumes, and probably accurately sums up the dominance of the Neo Liberals in Labour. Most Labour MP's are very comfortable and happy with globalisation and the concept of living in a federal Europe.

[@CompletelyDifferentToBefore]

Anything to say about Halal slaughter? Just sweep that one under the carpet, along with everything else. Labour party now totally reliant on the tightly controlled voting block of the population that's being imported to physically replace the white working class.

[@jonathanhenly99]

Isn't it odd how people are willing to bring up halal slaughter instantly but not kosher?

[@CompletelyDifferentToBefore]

philajfran Jonathan Henly - yes, ban kosher slaughter too. It's also outrageous and disgusting that people are allowed to mutilate their children's genitals by slicing pieces off. This sick ritual should be banned in UK and across all of Europe.

[@heldinahtmlhell]

Halal slaughter is barely different from regular slaughter. All factory farmed animals live horrific lives and die awful deaths. Complaining about halal is like complaining about the font on holocaust camp signs.

[@michaelheeheejackson7255]

Catsplaining I disagree with kosher and halal being done here but people following their religion should be allowed to eat how their religion says so there should be a few open or remaining

[@jspy8138]

The bus said "We send the EU £350 million a week. Let's fund our NHS instead" - It implied we could use that money (an unspecified amount) to fund the NHS - it never said "lets give the NHS £350 million a week" - the word twisting must stop.

[@jonathaneddy]

Well done Owen, another fantastic interview. Especially interesting to explore the divisions within the left and as someone who found Kate Hoey's perspective on Brexit as influential in my decision, I applaud you for giving her the chance to put forward her views without resorting to interruptions, Aunt Sally's and tired tropes. It is refreshing to see that a genuinely liberal, non-interventionist version of the left still exists. Hoey's version of classic liberalism is where the left is at its most appealing.

[@MattyBinns1]

Non interventionist left?

[@jonathaneddy]

she voted against Iraq, she voted against the handgun ban, against the grammar school ban, against the fox hunting ban...basically she believes that the government doesn't have to intervene at every level of society and that people can be trusted to make their own decisions.

[@jonathaneddy]

for a moment there I thought we were about to have a sensible discussion. Oh well.

[@Jupiterbaal]

So I presume you are against the welfare state as a whole as well. Because that’s a lot of intervention...

[@rogerbennett9641]

The children must have their say it's their human right.

[@shamanahaboolist]

The big issue which fueled Brexit is getting ripped off by multi-nationals which the working classes (rightly so) see as being facilitated by EU politicians.

[@markussavicus6695]

they call it lobbying the rest of us call it bribery

[@TheManOnTheRail]

Corbyn actively campaigned to leave the EU too. Hey ho.

[@eldano99]

HickoryWind he voted remain publicly in the referendum. Being eurosceptic does not equal actively campaigning to leave the EU.

[@stevehayward1854]

She is the only Labour MP I could vote for

[@pgl0897]

Surprised to find myself approving of most of her opinions and liking her more than I did before I clicked.

[@rogerbennett9641]

Me too 100% with you there.

[@garethgriffiths2100]

Possibly because Owen Jones is so piss poor and she has a brain.

[@rogerbennett9641]

Let emotions rule your head and what do you get irrational, ineffective or damaging policy making in the main.

[@davidtwine1218]

how many years of hard work in a top uk industry has this guy ever done?? I left school at 17 and did 34 years in aerospace and then went self-employed. what gives this juvenile the right to talk about working in the real world.he is still wet behind the ears and passing the yellow stuff.

[@michaelgilday]

Good for Kate Hoey, as she has the gumption to say what she thinks and stands by her beliefs. Shame more politicians can do the same.

[@aktolman]

Owen: "my reasons for voting remain are not the same as say Peter Mandleson"...Kate: "Thats good!" LOL

[@michielbeelaerts5355]

Kate Hoey thinks it's undesirable to have unelected people dictate to the UK what it can and cannot do. She's absolutely spot on, I agree completely and I believe Owen would too. However, does she really think seceding from the EU will improve that? EU bureaucrats are definitely not the only unelected people who hold a lot of sway over public policy in a given country. Financial markets, CEOs deciding where to invest, wealthy individuals looking for ever higher returns (and ever lower taxes) around the world also fit that description. Brexit will do nothing to stem their enormous influence on policy, because Brexit is a purely political attempt at solution for a problem that is as much economic and social as it is political. Brexit will unfortunately only mean that Britain will, in all likelihood, be at the receiving end of any negotiation with powerful international interests. The disappointment and the feeling of humiliation which I expect will result from that, is potentially very frightening.

[@dazblack1273]

Bloody hell it's the first time Owen is being normal .

[@Roy-ts9nv]

Pretty much all his interviews on this channel are like this. He doesn't do confrontation on this channel, just conversations.

[@ascendancy425]

I disagree with her on all sorts of things but her criticism of the EU and her support for Jeremy Corbyn is pretty spot on.

[@alibee1978]

Thank you for pointing out farage is not a racist kate . So easy to tar people with that broad brush !

[@JamesDuncan]

People who say that racism is discussed too much are almost invariably racist.

[@tedbowen2789]

'I really don't think Nigel farage is a racist' What about the breaking point posters? 'Oh I condemn that' Cognitive dissonance right there

[@enbutler9691]

racism " Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another." So how does Farage meet that criterion?

[@rogerbennett9641]

Cognitive dissonance! better not listen to J OB anymore you'll be unable to say anything relevant at all soon.

[@tedbowen2789]

EN BUTLER just google farage and racism, plenty to be getting on with!

[@rogerbennett9641]

Uncle Ted haven't you heard the internet has been taken over by malignant forces determined to rot what little brain you have left, after watching Celebrities failing to live a meaningful life.

[@enbutler9691]

what.. so I can be redirected to the huffington post and the guardian?

[@jancuk8881]

Owen didn't tell us why he wants to stay in the EU, was he afraid that Kate would shoot him down in flames? - most probably! The migrants from outside the EU is also an EU matter, because Merkel opened the borders to them expecting every EU country to take thousands of people in, as stated in their EU refugees dispersal program. Poland, Hungary, Austria and a few other countries are refusing to take them and the EU wants to punish them for this. So immigration from outside of the EU is a point in respect of Brexit.

[@johnnyreggae969]

Kate honey awesome one of the few Labour MPS I admire

[@bluesunshyn]

You didnt ask her about why she thinks the Good Friday Agreement is an acceptable casualty in the pursuit of splendid isolation...? No Ireland questions to her at all :/

[@marcperrett662]

why does owen always always ask a question and before the guest has even answered gives HIS view on the matter---- quite poor interviewing skills really

[@sanguinefan1734]

I really enjoy Owen Jones' interviews with people he doesn't agree with. It's so refreshing to see someone on the left being willing to argue his point. Much better than the censorious approach to 'awkward' points of view manifested in some of universities. Keep going Owen.

[@Jade-jg8hc]

I agree with Kate on so much. Great Kate !

[@tingastar10]

That's the big problem Mr Jones, those whom voted remain has no clue whatsoever why many voted leave. You state that those who voted leave are so called racists, well for your information I'm a very black black man.

[@oliverpercy2987]

‘You’re part of the establishment Owen’ is exactly what I’m thinking...but anyway, it’s nice to see those from opposing positions away from each other’s throats for once. We need more discourse like this. Thanks.

[@manvbees]

Oliver Percy Your picture will trigger Owen if he sees it. Bravo 😂

[@dan292009]

The House of Commons needs Kate Hoey please don’t go..

[@takehe68]

Kate was brilliant, especially on Brexit. How can anyone who believes in democracy want to have the people's collective direction determined by a tiny elite who are wholly unaccountable? The European Parliament cannot initiate, amend or strike down legislation. The real power is in the hands of the Commission which cannot be voted out. If Labour becomes the government it will only be able to implement it's bold policies outside the EU. Thank goodness for the courageous and independent minded majority who voted to leave this undemocratic monstrosity. I listened with sympathy to Owen's and Yanis Varoufakis's appeal for 'remain and reform' but I just couldn't see how that could happen given the iron-cast top-down structure of the EU. Not being British of course I didn't have a vote but was gleeful at the result. Democracy!

[@takehe68]

If you mean Farage, in what way did Kate support him? She simply had common ground with him on one binary question - leave or remain in an anti-democratic superstate. Did opposing the Nazis mean the British were supporting Stalin?

[@BuddahUK]

It meant we weren't supporting the killing of British MPs and armed insurrection on the streets if democracy doesn't go the way we want it to go

[@BuddahUK]

Cannot wait to have the right to have a golliiwog in my window and a dangerously long kettle flex in my house. God Bless Enoch Powell

[@epiphany55]

You might want to make more relevant, non-generalised, non-caricatured ridicule if you're going to propose a serious argument against leaving the EU.

[@RogerRoving]

If one more idiot parrots that the EU is undemocratic I will smash something. (But not the British economy. Unlike Brexit voters(.

[@victorhunt5788]

What Kate Hoey says & what she supports is very different to the policies of most Labour Party members . She huddles under her own blue cloak of self promotion .

[@erzan]

"London is always in the news..." Because it's the biggest city in Europe and the top 3 city in the world in terms of business and cultural impact? What next, why is Earth given more attention than Mars?

[@markussavicus6695]

the cultural impact of knife crime and acid attacks, khan can keep his cesspit.

[@thewatchman6074]

The best thing that could happen to the people of Europe is for the EU to collapse completely. They are not required.

[@ireneprobst8354]

The EU is stronger than ever without the disruptive UK.

[@thewatchman6074]

@@ireneprobst8354 Is that why the German government is collapsing, along with the French government as we speak.?

[@DennepeerRelaxation]

A follow up for this one might be interesting 😅

[@Arltratlo]

lol, we only thing she wants to scrap the NIP, so everyone can suffer the same...its undemocratic that NI isnt so bad off like England, NI needs to be equal in bad shape!

[@jspy8138]

Kate hit on a good point in this interview in that London will vote to stay in the EU as it gets EVERYTHING in a much greater proportion than other cities /towns in the UK. Plenty to do, parks, museums, sport centres, pools, Libraries, etc when up North all these things have been repeatedly cut - usually by Lefty Labour/ Socialist Councils who then blame the Tories. When the Tories took over in my town the first thing they did was re-open the Libraries closed by the previous Labour Council. Outside London and the main big cities its another world. Councils get away with far too much unchecked unaudited, money gets spent - but badly. All the UK Councils need to be regularly checked and inspected by auditors to ensure the money available is well spent. We also live just a few miles from the fracking in Little Plumpton which is causing tremors - this was never adequately spelled out realistically before the drilling started - and its happening less than 6 miles from the Springfields Nuclear Plant and dozens of schools!

[@xeephran]

Well done Kate, brilliant responses.

[@michelepiteo7179]

Get rid of Big Govt because it's full of these meddlesome women with their Committees & Boards & their paper-work. The aristocracy reinvented itself by moving into the high admin jobs of the middle-class .Last thing i respect is a silver-back with a hidden,saggy hairy quim tellin' me she's some kind of therapist for society and this fills her with Self-worth. Indeed. She should be a matriarch at home with her own family. I, as an educated Introvert ,am not in need of such a lost extrovert with no privacy.

[@icdgyixify]

Nice to see a Labour MP who respects the working class.

[@icdgyixify]

@xenon127 You seem to think that you are supporting a football team - the louder you cheer, the better your team will play. The EU elite are the biggest threat to all our manufacturing jobs.

[@icdgyixify]

@xenon127 The people of Swaythling in Southampton trust the EU far less than liberals might mistrust the Tories. The "toffs" are just the far left's bogeymen.

[@robertrussell2202]

Fox hunting is a disgrace! Legal animal abuse should not be going on in any civilised nation. It is cruel to kill for sport, particularly in such a horrific way

[@nitaigauranga3849]

The best MP!!!!!!!

[@nitaigauranga3849]

Misogynist!!!!

[@Liam-yw8uv]

Dennis Skinner

[@1jimmy534]

Lovely to see Owen again after his horrific imaginary beating.

[@deancoleman8685]

This is shameful Owen. Please get it through your head what you are willing to give up. FEDERAL UNION end goal FACT. You want to sell out the UK, a dangerous idea.

[@Sdakouls3]

Dean Coleman The UK already had a permanent opt-out from "ever closer union".

[@deancoleman8685]

If you want to believe that they would follow through with that, that’s fine. I don’t, the end goal of the EU is a federal union.

[@waofy]

Kate: "I campaigned for Brexit because I didn't agree with giving power to unelected individuals." Owen: "But money?" Kate: "Yes, we might be worse off economically but we'll still be able to vote for manifestos and have a government with the power to carry them out." Owen: "B-but...money?!"

[@rfmckean]

I didn't see this but it is a good catch (if true). Big takeaway isn't that Hoey is a racist but Jones is a reactionary? (FD: sarcasm)

[@markussavicus6695]

short term , they all state short term but leftys ignore the facts

Always wonder watching all the leave supporter statements that none of them puts one single benefit on the table what the UK wouldn't be able to do inside the EU.

[@blahdelablah]

Massively increase public spending to tackle climate change, that's something the UK wouldn't be able to do within the EU.

[@alexanderstefanov6474]

She stood shoulder to shoulder with farage and gove, she's a disgrace, she's only retiring because the Vauxhall party would have deselected her.

[@narendra62]

Their loss.

[@markussavicus6695]

corbyn stood side by side with how many terror organisations?

[@hanzx6685]

Absolutely LOVE Kate Hoey. Her arguments in the referendum campaign are the main reasons I voted and campaigned to leave. Its such a comfort and inspiration to know that a politician is out there who has strong “right” AND “left” views just like myself and she is in no way incoherent.

[@domaversano764]

She was let off hook probably a dozen times in this interview. Where was the question about the Irish boarder she Trumpishly asked the Irish to pay for? The blaze way she "read into" something that was emblazoned on the side of bus in font 7800, as if it were Kantian philosophy. The follow up question on Farage not being racist despite calling Obama a "creature", and endorsing Le Pen and Trump. I just heard her articulate a long string of political cliches that have said many times before.

[@sytojufoclk]

I agree with you Owen on animal welfare, whats your view on halal slaughter?

[@Sdakouls3]

"Owen has interviewed someone pro-Brexit. Better think of a way to drag Islam into this instead."

[@geniusofmozart]

If you're so into animal welfare, do you avoid animal products unless you personally go to a local farm and inspect the welfare standards yourself, and buy meat/eggs/dairy from there? The majority of meat in the UK is factory farmed; around 50% of the eggs produced in the UK come from caged hens (and investigations have shown many 'free-range' farms to be anything but 'free-range'); and due to the high demand for dairy, we're increasingly seeing 'zero-grazing' dairy farms, in which cows don't even go outdoors. If you were into animal welfare, you would be vegan at home unless you could verify the conditions in which the animals are kept, and you would always choose the vegan option when eating out as there's no way to verify the conditions. And, even if the marketing term 'free-range' did mean anything, you would have to avoid all products with eggs in them: half of the eggs produced from hens in cages go somewhere, and they mostly go into products with egg in them. All forms of slaughter would, if we were an enlightened society, be banned. Random investigations of slaughterhouses - including high welfare slaughterhouses, secular slaughterhouses and Kosher/Halal slaughterhouses - have found that animal welfare standards are incredibly poor. Studies have found that even in secular slaughterhouses, the stunning process goes wrong in anywhere between 10-40% of cases (this 'collateral damage' is apparently acceptable). This equates to millions upon millions of animals dying painful deaths every single year. www.animalaid.org.uk/the-issues/our-campaigns/slaughter/

[@buck6604]

Both totally horrifically barbaric and shockingly promoted in shops and restaurants!

[@erzan]

He is against it.

[@sytojufoclk]

The point i was making was Owen seems very selective on his critism. He only as a go when it suits his left wing politics.

[@johnwalsh3635]

Jones has faced no competition for his income. Many people on low wages have. Not surprising that they don't like free movement. Minimum wage in Eastern European countries is half the UK rate. On top of that the UK tops up low wages. Of course many have moved to the richer countries and are happy with the rates paid, so an endless source of cheap labour. Nice for companies and shareholders. Nigel Farage is a national hero and certainly not a racist. Without a party in parliament he managed to force a referendum that we had wanted for decades. This idea that voting leave, one of the two options on the ballot paper, shows that the voter is a racist is completely ridiculous. No remain campaigner pointed out that those who prefer not to be considered racist should vote remain. The 350 million was not a promise, it said "let's give it to the NHS". The official leave campaign was not the government campaign so they could not promise anything to anybody. Owen needs to brush up on the facts, those facts do not care about your feelings Owen.

[@elguapo1507]

It wasn't a "jibe" Owen. It was a statement of fact. If you represent that which is already established then by definition you must be part of "the establishment". Just because you don't see yourself that way doesn't mean that others wont, especially when it's all about politics. Being able to dissociate the facts from the feelings is the problem with politics. It's engrained in your psyche that you must be right and the others wrong. If only the for/against columns could contain absolute fact then political decision would be so much easier.

[@borderlands6606]

Owen Jones is an Oxbridge graduate with a column in a national newspaper, who can summon figures from the corridors of power for his show on a weekly basis. His man of the people charade is getting a bit long in the tooth. Even his sexuality is shared by a substantial proportion of the political world, so he can't claim outsider status from that. Owen is establishment central and is irrevocably marked by its association.

[@marksieving7925]

"If you represent that which is already established then by definition you must be part of 'the establishment'." Do you support the continued use of the English language in England? If so, than you "represent that which is already established." Everyone supports something that is already established; I doubt very much that anyone literally wants to change every aspect of existence. So by your definition of "the establishment" everyone is part of the establishment. That doesn't sound like a very useful definition.

[@cwehden]

El Guapo the lefts entire value system is based on feeling over facts don't expect that ever to change 😂

[@elguapo1507]

Mark Sieving. It's contextual Mark. The context in this instance is clearly politics. I completely agree with you by the way but my point was clear enough as you would admit if you are honest with yourself.

[@elguapo1507]

philajfran. Economically progressive?? How did that get into it? As for your statement regarding " if only "... that's what I said. We agree.

[@glennharrison7036]

She voted leave for very much the same reasons that I voted leave. She voted leave in '75 as did I. They are very much the same reasons as Tony Benn would did and would have today. There is no question, certainly in the short term, that departure from the EU is going to make Britain worse off. I cannot pretend that that prospect is not frightening. It's a bit like breaking away from a gang of thugs.