Owen Jones meets Frankie Boyle | 'Grenfell Tower residents were treated as less than human'

Frankie Boyle tells me he believes there’s ‘a connection between a Conservative government that wants to get rid of human rights legislation’ and the residents of Grenfell Tower ‘being treated as less than human’. He thinks a series of decisions show that the pursuit of profit was more important than fire safety, which he describes as 'deeply immoral'.
We also talked about Theresa May's woeful performance in the 2017 general election but why simply replacing her with a new 'broken sociopath' is not an adequate solution, why trust in the media is so low and the modern tendencies for faux outrage and judgmental moralising.
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[@tomimpala]

Ever since he grew a beard, Frankie Boyle's been my favourite depressed teddy bear.

[@mrtjm1152]

Looks like the bear from bo' selecta

[@eireannhughes5254]

Totally agree :)

[@ezeztztztz]

Absolute utter complete BS,the residents comments before and slightly after the fire were ,'I've never been happier in this flat',only when left wing hypocrites arrived and started moving the narrative to their own BS agenda we then started hearing slightly different views.

[@keithfitton7543]

Two years later and this could have been recorded last week.

[@Mr-qt4xr]

british politics=constipated.

[@talesfromthescrypt]

Thought it was!

[@nicke.1904]

I had to do a double take on the publishing date on this...

[@rolandhawken6628]

Keith Fitton Yes ,but what people miss is the fact that theses poor people are cleaning rooms for the like of Owen an Boyle I know hundreds of these champagne SJW and they all have Filipino cleans . Hypocrites to a man . I would put LOL ,but it is not funny , especially as the Labour party opened to flood gate on immigration . " We will rub the noses of the right in diversity " That was Blair .He should have added and make everyone live in misery

[@leverdusoleiluk]

Just watched it and thought the same myself Keith, how utterly depressing.

[@dann756]

An interviewer that actually engrosses the guests to a point where they actually are human and not on a payroll. Well done

[@ezeztztztz]

Absolute utter complete BS,the residents comments before and slightly after the fire were ,'I've never been happier in this flat',only when left wing hypocrites arrived and started moving the narrative to their own BS agenda we then started hearing slightly different views.

[@FrazNinja]

i really enjoy listening to this calm, considered version of frankie boyle.

[@brianmckinnon4591]

FrazNinja Feck you’re easy pleased!

[@peliguitarcovers]

@@daftwod What do you think Political Correctness is?

[@ezeztztztz]

Absolute utter complete BS,the residents comments before and slightly after the fire were ,'I've never been happier in this flat',only when left wing hypocrites arrived and started moving the narrative to their own BS agenda we then started hearing slightly different views.

[@Alien_Observer_]

Nice of Frankie to let a local kid interview him for his school project.

[@EoghanMcCarthy900]

"Rings of poor people outside that come in to clean hotels" thats depressing...

[@shawofeverything3716]

and yet depressingly true

[@johnwhite6346]

Like In Brazil. It's disgusting how backward we have become in such quick time

[@mdkvisions]

I was born in London in the 70s and you can see They want London White and Elite..

[@McFraneth]

John White, and now the favelas of Rio are being cleared because they have good views.

[@taralyons9564]

Eoghan900 Awful.

[@megagunner12345]

Frankie Boyle is a class act. You need to interview him again at some point Owen; it would be a crime to do otherwise.

[@ezeztztztz]

Absolute utter complete BS,the residents comments before and slightly after the fire were ,'I've never been happier in this flat',only when left wing hypocrites arrived and started moving the narrative to their own BS agenda we then started hearing slightly different views.

[@daikayll1897]

Would love to hear a lot more of the serious side of Boyle. Very interesting man.

[@CYCHIATRIC]

I love the fact Frankie doesn’t underestimate the Tories. A lot of people on the left do.

[@kingy002]

An insightful comment.

[@iseenogoduphere8788]

He’s a very intelligent man Frankie who speaks sense. As much as i love his stand up, i enjoy listening to his interviews even more. Theyre very educational for younger folk like myself.

[@blkmlk3608]

Two people who speak for humanity and Equality for all man

[@martinheath5947]

This is precisely why government legislates politics, philosophy and creative thinking out of the school curriculum in favour of box ticking and teaching to the exam only

[@alcazar9266]

philosophy is a subject taught in schools in the uk, politics is a subject taught in the uk, art is a subject taught in the uk. all 3 of these are taught to Alevel, so what is your point?

[@hiddenknowledge2012]

@@alcazar9266 No idea what you are on about. Only got maths, english, science from what I can remember. There was no intellectual discussions in school.

[@alcazar9266]

@@hiddenknowledge2012 then you went to school in the 1800s

[@hiddenknowledge2012]

@@alcazar9266 Left in 2014 so no.

[@ezeztztztz]

These 2 hypocrites are talking absolute utter BS,the residents comments before and slightly after the fire were ,'I've never been happier in this flat',only when left wing hypocrites arrived and started moving the narrative to their own BS agenda we then started hearing slightly different views.

[@fergusdenoon1255]

there's a connection between the UK government that actually dissolved their responsibility to look after their citizens and a government that doesn't have any responsibility to their citizens .... imagine that! (you shouldn't need to imagine it, we are all living in it!)

[@torbayfruitsandjackpots1678]

I'm not that keen on Frankie Boyle really,as a comedian,but WOW,that interview made me sit up and listen!! so insightful.thanks Owen and thanks Frankie!!

[@theantiantichrist]

Have you watched his specials? He's one of the best comedians of our time.

[@spewter]

There’s a direct connection between Boyle’s politics and his comedy. He sees the world to be so dysfunctional, that the only sane, artistic response is to absurdism and nihilism. As he said in one joke, “what am I supposed to do? Make a pun??”

[@ezeztztztz]

Absolute utter complete BS,the residents comments before and slightly after the fire were ,'I've never been happier in this flat',only when left wing hypocrites arrived and started moving the narrative to their own BS agenda we then started hearing slightly different views.

[@SamLamingWingsuit]

Great interview, well done both of you.

[@samtheman8899]

Frankie genuinely looks like he's grooming him

[@elkeve2742]

I really loved this interview, thank you.

[@eggsbacongritsandsausage8178]

Go on Frankie, you absolute legend. A working class hero is something to be.

[@ezeztztztz]

Absolute utter complete BS,the residents comments before and slightly after the fire were ,'I've never been happier in this flat',only when left wing hypocrites arrived and started moving the narrative to their own BS agenda we then started hearing slightly different views.

[@williammilburn7232]

As a labour voter I honestly think the grenfel tower residents were let down by labour who started the policy of cladding buildings as a desperate attempt to make the city look nice for the olympics and all three parties who all had big roles to play in the local council, and the coalition government and the Tory government. They were let down by the whole system not one part of it and why isn’t there a contingency plan already in place for any event were a tower block can no longer be lived in. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but aren’t councils supposed to think ahead? Their still probably isn’t a contingency plan now

[@connor3158]

He's brilliant. Can we get the unedited full version of this please Owen?

[@jakamneziak]

This is a first for me. First time I have seen Frankie Boyle actually be serious and it is an eyeopener!

[@DeadWhiteButterflies]

This is really interesting. It might be one of the few times I've seen Fankie speaking in a serious context (i.e. not performing on stage). He's really hitting the nail on the head here.

[@MaximilienRobespierre1]

2017...Theresa May may be gone soon...how depressing.

[@robertc1969]

Absolutely...only took 2 years...love Owen's face when Boris was mooted as a replacement...priceless!

[@chrisjackson9626]

Great interview, really interesting seeing Frankie in a different setting. Some fascinating stuff.

[@neilmantell8977]

Absolutely brilliant and......insightful....this has really cheered me up!

[@stuartpaul9995]

Boyle`s impressive. A thoughtful man.

[@JimmySmithYT]

I can't tell if frankie is just sitting back and chilling or if he has lost his neck

[@gretchenbaker7435]

I like his interview style, actually letting the person answer and talk without constant interruptions. And of course Frankie Boyle is great as usual!

[@sjthjsdreadfather4867]

It's because he agrees with Frankie. Watch what happens when he disagrees (Jonathon Pie)

[@ezeztztztz]

Absolute utter complete BS,the residents comments before and slightly after the fire were ,'I've never been happier in this flat',only when left wing hypocrites arrived and started moving the narrative to their own BS agenda we then started hearing slightly different views.

[@TheGabrielbowater]

Frankie Boyle is a saint and hilarious to boot. More like that pls god

[@m3anthony]

Frankie is quite a thinker in our time IMHO. Insightful,. succinct and very funny. A real wordsmith.

[@ezeztztztz]

Absolute utter complete BS,the residents comments before and slightly after the fire were ,'I've never been happier in this flat',only when left wing hypocrites arrived and started moving the narrative to their own BS agenda we then started hearing slightly different views.

[@aloevera74]

Am I dreaming or Britain is teasing itself if the nation should go back to stupid mode like in the era of British Leyland for example (70's & 80's)?Where everyone thinks Labour is the solution and it should be FREE FOR ALL... more like Free-fall! Some people talk about austerity? Do you really know what austerity feels like? Some sections of the society have NEVER been this lazy. Get a decent job or A JOB! Undermining governments NEVER did any good.

[@kierandownes]

I thoroughly enjoyed that. You two need a radio show!

[@chrisclayden5399]

Good interview, insightful. I'm always interested to hear what Frankie Boyle has to say

[@shinjinobrave]

lol 2019 and May still hasn't released her arthritic clutches from the levers of power.

[@MrArchie800]

In my limited opinion, the reason Franky might do well in political discourse is that he has no qualms about telling someone to ‘Fuck Off’, which I believe is an attribute sorely lacking in politics, and one that might be much appreciated by the electorate.

[@andrewcheatle4691]

Who have they got to replace Teresa - Boris? Rolls eyes... Well here we are - Happy Fxxking days

[@georgestewart5879]

Once again Franky nails it.

[@Fouskotinis]

Loved it, well done m8!

[@saramuldowney172]

Frankie Boyle is totally spot on when he says the Conservatives don't represent the interests of the ordinary man and woman in their constituencies. They are there to represent the interests of money, of capital. Grenfell is a prime example. Cameron's "bonfire of regulations" led to the government in 2012 "repealing the fire prevention measures in the London Building Act. Had they remained in place, the Grenfell fire is unlikely to have risen up the tower." There continue to be many organisations like the Red Tape Initiative, "a self serving clique of old chums, insulated from hazard by their extreme wealth", and who have significant interests in loosening regulations for their own profit, who are continuing to decide whether ordinary people should be exposed to more risks like this. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/grenfell-fire-public-inquiry-stitch-up-red-tape-regulation-policy-exchange

[@zaperfan]

Frankie speaks a lot of truth

[@andrewbaumann2661]

We create a faux-morality because we know we can't affect anything that actually matters, like money laundering in the city or selling arms to dictatorships. FB is one insightful guy. We're lucky to have you, Frankie!

[@drwhodareswins]

Two millionaires chatting about the poor.....Inspirational

[@garyreynolds5733]

And that makes you uninspired because millionaires can't talk about things, but poor people can?

[@BigHenFor]

Numpty

[@taralyons9564]

"Balloon animal" 😂😂😂

[@jamesat66]

Very well articulated. Thanks Owen and Frankie

[@erzan]

3:40 This is why having devolved government and increasing their election turnout in Scotland, Wales, London and now Greater Manchester is so damn important. Having a London Mayor and Assembly (which uses Proportional Representation voting system so your votes matter) for example who can use their powers to minimise the shit coming from the UK Conservatives and improve lives. It's a lifesaver for us Londoners.

[@freddykrugger9598]

been a tory voter for yrs and for my sins i voted for them this time..but since the tower fire and seeing how the tenants where treated i doubt i ll vote tory ever again ..and gotta say the more i listen the more i feel i ve had the wool pulled over my eyes for decades and gotta say corbyn has been growing on me..

[@davelordy]

A couple of media well-to-do's tell it like it is !

[@HM-yv9xk]

this actually made me really question my own attempts to be moral

[@HelmetBlissta]

One might make some assessment of the effectiveness of a channel by the trolling it receives. Well done Owen and Frankie, keep up the good work.

[@TrueNubinator]

Soft spoken Frankie….honestly scares me more then anything else

[@aliboyaliman6207]

'Who've they got?! BORIS?!?' Feb 2020 says LOL.

[@VSMuadDib1973]

Grenfell tower fire started by a faulty hotpoint fridge according to enquiry ...Hot point found nothing wrong and reassured costomers of the fridge saftey ..no need to recall ...well someones lying and i dont think its hotpoint

[@josiecooper8012]

The problem with the fire wasn't the source, it was the materials used in construction that led to it spreading rapidly, very clearly not properly fire rated and exposed the cut corners in construction cost. So, no the entire fire wasn't Hotpoint's fault, because it should have been contained by the building. But still, having a product involved with a huge scale disaster like this, they probably did their due diligence in checking safety.

[@ray-wm7yd]

@@josiecooper8012 The fire should have been contained within the flat hence the "stay put" advice. Clearly this did not happen and the reasons are well known

[@BigHenFor]

And Which, the magazine of the Consumer Association no longer recommends fridges or fridge freezers that are backed with plastic like Hotpoint sell. So you can now buy a Hotpoint fridge freezer cheap and burn your own house down. No loss, then.

[@Shanemanarrow]

Frankie Boyle is incredibly insightful. Great interview.

[@ezeztztztz]

Absolute utter complete BS,the residents comments before and slightly after the fire were ,'I've never been happier in this flat',only when left wing hypocrites arrived and started moving the narrative to their own BS agenda we then started hearing slightly different views.

[@OwenTuson02]

You can say offensive jokes as he has and still have progressive and insightful ideas. He's a comedian, if he's on a stage he's joking, if he's off it listen to this guy. Comedians are usually very intelligent.

[@dorisnumper6996]

more truth in the first 2 mins of this video than any news report for the past 4 years

[@strutherhill]

Presumably the comments criticising Frankie Boyle for his analysis of contemporary Britain and its rulers emanate from multilmillionaires who wish to perpetuate the status quo, which serves them splendidly. Or is someone missing something?

[@DursunX]

took me a while to adjust to the *sedated* Frankie Boyle...

[@BigHenFor]

He's chilled since became a father.

[@kingy002]

The message has always been consistent though. Just delivered through different mediums.

[@farshnuke]

Interesting interview

[@kierenbuckley370]

People disliking this video because Frankie is telling the truth and it's not what people want to hear

[@miraclmaker]

Kieren Buckley the knuckle draggers hate the truth

[@NathanHayes1]

You must wear sun cream in this heatwave Owen.

[@AdamSich]

Think that's my fault - he's not actually sunburnt but I was doing a two camera shoot on my own and couldn't adjust Owen's one as I was holding the important camera. So when the sun came out, the colour temperature changed. Did my best to get rid of it, but will never be perfect. It's why the framing is a bit off too - had asked Owen to sit still but that's not easy to do.

[@NathanHayes1]

It was just a joke but I appreciate the reply and explanation! :D

[@simonheaney8721]

+Chaz Young we don't care about sexual orientation. Just having a few laughs ,no big deal life goes on.

[@marcusorangeboomivnone7490]

Chaz Young collagen is good for skin tone ;)

[@bossendenwoodconvict]

Owen is to gayness what Rachel Dolezal is blackness. It would be illogical for a real gay person to support islamism. Owen is straight.

[@gbjanuary]

Frankie Boyle is funny guy and hates the Tories so is ok in my book.

[@adamwoolgar5624]

The cladding happened under the BLAIR Government!

[@robcowell1477]

gbjanuary Yeah, so what would you do with anyone that votes Conservative or a party against your views? Would you want them murdered or put into "camps" to "learn their lesson"??

[@adamwoolgar5624]

No. I blame the incompetent penny-pinching Kensington & Chelsea Council who stuck people in a building they would never live in themselves.

[@stephenjohnson1385]

Rob Cowell yeah, why not hey?

[@mhoragchristie744]

gbjanuary Frankie Boyle is a sick individual with no moral grounding. He likes to shock just for ratings....ooow really intelligent......not !

[@stevencruickshank1846]

Great interview!

[@estebancomulet]

Perspicacious as ever. The estimable Frankie Boyle ladies and gentlemen...

[@huna1950]

DISCLAIMER-this video was first broadcast in 1977

[@boxingmonkey2450]

1. Frankie Boyle 2. Stuart Lee 3. Ricky Gervais

[@TheRealDioBrando]

Oh that guy, remember what he said about Jordan's son? Don't see why we should forget it just because he's aligning his politics with you.

[@carlwilliams897]

Good interview 👍🏽

[@joelea4123]

Owen old chap why don't you interview Douglas Murray

[@JonTeriini]

Great thoughts

[@matthewmoss1589]

I knew he was engaged and I have always liked him but listening to him speak here was impressive.

[@johnking5174]

In Northern Ireland, unlike the rest of the UK, they do not have the main political parties of Britain representing them. There is no Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems etc, it is the only part of the UK that has this weird situation all because of religion and whether you are a unionist or not. Democratic Unionist Party, Ulster Unionist Party, Sinn Fein, Alliance Party, Social Democratic and Labour Party, Traditional Unionist Voice - these are the parties. The Conservatives tried and failed to have any impact, the other UK parties just sit back knowing not to bother.

[@johnking5174]

Thanks for the lecture. I was born and raised in Northern Ireland, so I think I know a bit about politics here in Northern Ireland.

[@johnking5174]

I was born in Londonderry, Northern Ireland. I have experience of the Northern Irish political parties and I know what I am talking about. Some of my family were on the march on Bloody Sunday, one came close to being shot dead when a bullet flew past his ear.

[@caoimhinhamill2450]

John King Ahhh calls it 'Londonderry' yet claims he had family members members involved in the civil rights campaign. (This is meant to be dry humour satirizing in part the fact that we can't make jokes about Northern Ireland. I'm not actually saying you didn't. It's depressing that I had to add this.)

[@caoimhinhamill2450]

Big Balls It's actually amusingly easy to spot one of our own

[@johnking5174]

I was born in the city, in Altnaelvin Hospital. I went to Nazareth House PS School. I lived in Abercorn Road, Strathfoyle then Victoria Place. My family were involved in the march, and my grandfather and uncle were on the march that Sunday. They lived in circular road in the city.

[@samcad-ho3ze]

The thing is, racist 'comedy' in the 70's propagated (whether you like it or not, it did) a sense that racism was acceptable. Why is mocking the disabled any different? A situation that causes extreme stress and oftentimes harm to disabled people and their families AND contributes to the societal attitudes that deem disability as unworthy. It IS harmful. I know from personal experience.

[@BigHenFor]

Never mind his mother trotted him out for photo opportunities with Hello and OK magazine, but failed to avoid going bankrupt.

[@samcad-ho3ze]

@@BigHenFor what’s that got to do with this? Nothing.

[@rorysmith9382]

Good interview.

[@garethjamesplunkett]

You make me smile fella. Smart channel. Smart thought. Smart words. Hats off.

[@matthewmoggridge5221]

Frankie Boyle is a very insightful individual and that was a great interview with him.

[@ezeztztztz]

Absolute utter complete BS,the residents comments before and slightly after the fire were ,'I've never been happier in this flat',only when left wing hypocrites arrived and started moving the narrative to their own BS agenda we then started hearing slightly different views.

[@BDMEDIAUK]

Frankie Boyle your a Legend son god bless ya! Great Video Owen thanks for making!

[@BDMEDIAUK]

Keep calm and carry on fella

[@michaelwsperry]

you are joking mate

[@joeman8523]

*You're

[@basejumpingmonkey]

Nah, he's a cultural leftist bourgeoisie ass licker, he's what we term in Scotland as a Bam.

[@InTheCity3D]

Frankie Boyle, you're a legend. (You are a legend) English son. Learn it.

[@kareemsc9913]

His voice is so calming. Such a contrast from him on stage lol

[@socpa]

good stuff.. well done x

[@theweberjosh]

Much love to everyone. Hope you have a good day, no matter how tough it is ;) Keep your head up, and do something nice for someone today... even if it's for yourself. Cheers

[@kingy002]

What a bizarre set of remarks.

[@billgreen576]

Frankie as interesting, informed and thoughtful as ever. A joy. However, Owen, did you even prepare for this interview?

[@ezeztztztz]

Absolute utter complete BS,the residents comments before and slightly after the fire were ,'I've never been happier in this flat',only when left wing hypocrites arrived and started moving the narrative to their own BS agenda we then started hearing slightly different views.

[@aa1412c]

Great interview

[@Maffoo]

You should enable the ability for people to submit subtitles, Owen. I have loads of work to do today and want something to distract me from it.

[@strutherhill]

Yet again, Frankie B provides a thoughtful, intelligent and humane analysis of some of the evils of contemporary Britain and its 'ruling class'.

[@neogeo3367]

I see the Tory Ministry of Misinformation is very active on this comments feed.

[@neilwilson5785]

Tories don't care about this channel. It's a Labour echo-chamber. The Internet does not solve all problems.

[@123paul]

Neil Wilson. OJ comments section are always full of the idiotic bigoted daily mail comments brigade.

[@shutupyouplank]

Guys these are two adults who've grown as people politically in the public eye. That's rare. Perhaps support them rather than shitting on them. Just to be different.

[@craigrobb8197]

remember when jon stewart was in his prime? remember the void jon stewart left? a satirical comedian with a sense of humanity. (i know jon stewart is pretty centrist and didn't speak up enough). i'm canadian and find this gent brilliant. hopefully a good amount of yanks will check him out. he deserves the exposure

[@JohnnyourtobadOiOi]

Tim Farron's, Unwanted Lubed up son

[@kewlfonz]

What about Labour run Camden Council failing to install ANY fire doors??? People in glass houses shouldn't chuck rocks...

[@jimdavies9885]

Yeah, but it wasn't a block in Camden that roasted a load of poor people though, was it? Just goes to show, Tory's on social media shouldn't chuck stupid snide little comments. Fucktard.

[@michaelheeheejackson7255]

Name me one council block that has burnt down there

[@mrjesabi]

Hilarious listening to Jones talking about offence he walks off tv sets based on it.i hope Boyle never tells a gay joke.

[@paulpeartsmith]

Fantastic stuff. Really stimulating.

[@Notreallyhere817r]

An extremely intelligent man and very funny

[@bioux101]

Owen Jones is a good lad asking the right questions. Frankie Boyle is an intellectual behemoth.

[@newperve]

The pursuit of profit had nothing to do with the Grenfell Tower negligent manslaughters. It wasn't a private landlord was it? It was council. They aren't trying to make a profit off anything. If they had been there's no way they'd have take the risk of the inevitable massively lawsuits a private landlord would have to live with. Hell if it hadn't been subsidized housing every single resident would have moved out in fear for their lives.

[@stanleyplank]

There is no way that the residents of Grenfell tower were saying that the cladding held a fire risk. They are both being disingenuous. There is a high chance that this cladding is on many buildings in the UK including hotels and business premises, its not just imposed on poor people.

[@thundercunt1842]

If Grenfell Tower was full of middle class English people, Boyle would spend all his days writing jokes about it.

[@Watts660]

Very good interview. Most people think of Frankie Boyle as that Scottish bloke who tells offensive jokes, which he does, very well! But this definitely shows a whole different side to him, very insightful, top bloke who's talking a lot of sense.

[@davidtag6599]

I love his views. Very clever man.

[@AlJalandhari]

Tried showing this clip to a mate but he couldn't really follow boyle's accent which is a real shame because he drops some real gems here.mcan you add captions to this (the auto-generated ones don't work very well), would help people not familiar with the accent and deaf people

[@niamhoconnor8986]

Hello there! W A R N I N G: _Angry conservatives in the comment-section!_ Have a good day! :)

[@dystopia47]

Niamh O'Connor or brexiteers who hate the Tories

[@scobra5941]

or Brexiteers who hate both Tories and Labour

[@neilwilson5785]

Worse, they won't show up here, and still win.

[@DavieCooper-zz4kh]

W A R N I N G : The ugly emaciated girl who got kicked from love island has invaded the comment section !

[@Thomes-Maisling]

Anger in the comments section on KZbin? This is hallowed ground, how dare they!

[@TheDharr]

Great interview. Keep up the good work Jonesy.