​Owen Jones meets Tim Martin | 'Poverty wages? Don't ask childish questions'

[@agt155]

Funny thing is the Guardian awarded Weatherspoons their 'employer of the year award' in 2017.

[@frenchguitarguy1091]

agt155 Owen Jones and the Guardian are not a monolith. They can disagree

[@SkillBuilder]

agt 155 Maybe they thought he was a potential advertiser.

[@billdoor5025]

that should tell you all you need to know camera want to save british pubs then allied with weatherspoons for 50p off a pint vouchers

[@rovertnitram123]

wetherspoon doesn't advertise

[@mickreaddin4979]

"I don't like the Euro... " "We're not in the Euro.. " "Stop interrupting me... " Says it all, Owen.

[@teachingenglish3019]

Ony because of people who do not like it.

[@mickreaddin4979]

@@teachingenglish3019 "ony" The irony of your moniker is not lost on me.

[@adammerza5745]

Point being, all the people currently Remoaning would have had us join the Euro back then, and it would have been a mistake.

[@charbax]

The GBP is down 30% vs the EUR since the Brexit vote.

[@nonegiven2830]

@@adammerza5745 I'm a remainer, I wouldn't have us join a single European currency because without a single European fiscal policy to go with it, it's insane. I do however support a single fiscal policy and the Euro, that I'd suggest we join.

[@SonOfFurzehatt]

"It's almost impossible to know whether a particular law comes from the EU or the UK." I mean, it's printed at the top of the document but you're right, almost impossible. Such a challenge. Truly the greatest enigma of our time.

[@viloscohaagen4230]

Actually EU institutions have co-opted so many of our institutions along with the other member states in our case its the civil service & department of agriculture & fisherys in particular read The Great Deception: Can the European Union Survive? Booker & North.

[@Stalker-nv7gi]

Didn't you hear him say he was a barrister? I think it's you that is challenged! 😂😂

[@stumpy8513]

Clearly not the full interview but an edited version by Owen the champagne socialist.

[@johnhooper7040]

Owen is hardly a champagne socialist, he’s a working class lad from t’North. Yes he went to Oxford University but through hard work and probably a huge student loan. Not like the tory MPs for whom an Oxbridge place is a certaintyfrom the day they are born!

[@nickking7494]

@@johnhooper7040 He may well be from the north, but he bases himself in london, and oh my life, he is the epitome of the champagne socialist. Talks the talk, but would genuinely shit himself if he had to do an honest days work!

[@leighwillz8913]

@@johnhooper7040 STILL A USELESS KNOBHEAD WHAT EVER CLASS

[@agt155]

@@johnhooper7040 Working class?. his mother was a University leacturer and his father was a trade unionist - hence how he got parachuted into a nice cushy job with the Labour party, and probably why he got into Oxford.

[@yankeydoodle101]

£8.05 is not a poverty wage is good for an unskilled job you want more money get more qualifications.

[@THEPINKFLOYDIANS]

You still need unskilled workers, dafty!

[@enjay4251]

@@THEPINKFLOYDIANS he wasn't saying that at all

[@nickcraddock5174]

It’s still above the minimum wage. If the workers aren’t happy, they can go and work somewhere else. That’s the beauty of capitalism.

[@chubeye1187]

Typical brexiter, clueless

[@knifesedge]

Would you consider the job of a chef/food prep assistant to be unskilled ? They get the same rate...

[@virtualatheist]

He couldn't answer you for one simple reason. YOU WOULDN'T ALLOW HIM TO FINISH A SENTENCE. But that's your MO, refuse to allow people to talk unless they completely agree with you and if that doesn't work, then rage quit and storm away like a toddler having a tantrum. Oh, and don't think we didn't notice the sly ad homs you slid in there. Owen Jones, you are a joke. And not a very funny one.

[@dlogan3099]

Are you saying he actually did know of an EU law he disagreed with? All I heard was a silence followed by a red herring about currency. Of course, that's what you heard too.

[@dlogan3099]

Can you give details of the ad homs?

[@samal3196]

Yes, Mr Martin did make a lot of references to Owen interrupting. They were valid interruptions, in response to either things said that were totally inaccurate or Tim trying to avoid questions. Honestly the closest I think any of this came to ad hominem would be Tim Martin saying Owen was a childish drunk.

[@spinynorman8217]

How many people do you employ Owen? ;-)

[@stephaniebrown2111]

My thoughts exactly!!!

[@brianorakpohit]

This comment didn't age well. Yesterday's events show you what Martin thinks of the people who help make him millions every year.

[@johnny6476]

GW690III What video did you watch then?

[@melaniekehaya2868]

Like politicians doesn’t answer the questions then gets pissed off and wants to leave 😂

[@yorkshireplumbing]

How many interviews has Owen actually stormed off now? I've lost count myself.

[@nonegiven2830]

@@yorkshireplumbing it's almost never the right thing to do. I'm certainly not going to defend Owen doing it without knowing the specific interviews. The same as I'm not going to defend Tim doing it. If you don't think the interview is going to go your way or if you're not prepared to defend your position, don't do the interview.

[@colelukeharry]

Like Owen Jones did on tv papers chat.

[@andydudley1775]

well if this was therisa it be directly to insults with tory cheers so he an unpgrade from the maybot

[@nonegiven2830]

@To Err is Huma not what I said but you're going to choose what you hear, so sure, why not.

[@disgruntledvet4849]

Owen Jones you went to Oxford didn't you so what do you not understand about why we are leaving the EU?

[@spana123321]

I’d love to meet him 😳😳😳😳😳😩😩

[@johnhooper7040]

You don't have to go to Oxford to know we would be better staying in the EU

[@MontyCantsin5]

The sheer depth of people's ignorance and stupidity?

[@matlee]

Owen pushing Tim for a precise answers when Owen himself is the biggest question avoider I have ever seen, and when pushed far enough for an answer he'll usually storm off.

[@thekingoftheboxleton]

Provide three examples that backs up what you've claimed

[@ruthbashford3176]

@@thekingoftheboxleton Owen Jones is well known for his 'whatabouterys' For example when being asked about the collapse of socialism in Venezuela he changed the subject to Saudi Arabia. There are many more examples of this on youtube if you look.

[@thekingoftheboxleton]

@@ruthbashford3176 the fact that you call what is happening in Venezuela "the collapse of socialism" shows you know absolutely nothing about a) politics in general b) the situation in Venezuela c) socialism Seriously, read a book

[@inesiati]

​@@thekingoftheboxleton Venezuela is in a mess because: 1. They fixed the exchange rate between USD and Bolivar 2. They're still printing money 3. Price controls on basics consistent since WW2 4. U.S sanctions 5. Oil-dependent economy 6. Welfare suffered as oil prices dried up 7. Pure socialism 8. Government is in complete jeopardy 9. Removing 5 zeros from the bolivar 10. Raised minimum wage dozens of time in a short period - sometimes by 300%

[@davefitzpatrick4841]

@@thekingoftheboxleton you don't have to be politically astute or well read to know Owen Jones is a complete fruitcake!

[@SH1T3RR0R]

Too many cuts in that interview. Why not show the full uninterrupted?

[@roxanneflynn3263]

Owen makes remainers look even more silly.... Glad he's on their side tbh

[@alastairlaw4089]

are you stupid roxanne this comment shows you didnt go to school

[@curblaw]

Why?

[@NEEJER]

@@curblaw Owen cunt face is a recruitment sergeant for brexiteers. He's a wealthy posh boy, he is the illiberal leftist elite. Love him to bits 😗

[@sevenape]

bleep bleep bot

[@JimWalsh-rl5dj]

@MadArticDriver Typical remoaner, one out of every three remoaners is just as stupid as the other two

[@marshalllucky]

"Come along Owen , leave that nice Mr Martin alone now, come and finish your chicken dinosaurs and you can have an ice cream at the park."......

[@jontibloom]

The hypocrisy of the Left. Quite happy to criticize Tim Martin for the low wages to his staff whilst happily drinking at a Wetherspoons pub

[@LBARPICTURES]

you are a partisan hack for bringing up the left aspect but I agree that it's hypocritical. Especially that guy at the end.

[@dlogan3099]

It wasn't him paying the wages

[@nickking7494]

Before heading off to glasto on the back of a £253 ticket!

[@dean1979harr]

Why do an interview if all your going to do is interrupt and chat bollox.

[@hummens44]

Aye, Tim Martin is shit at being interviewed

[@utv5490]

I think he has been drinking too many pints of Bombardier!!!

[@johnbull9195]

You don't have to disagree with any EU laws to oppose in principle laws forced upon Britain by the European Union

[@dlogan3099]

Isn't there a veto? Don't British MEPs and commissioners help to make EU law?

[@johnbull9195]

@@dlogan3099 British MEP's don't make the laws. The commission introduces laws and they are then voted on by a chamber of MEP's from 27 different nation's.

[@ulicadluga]

Tim Martin says "It's almost impossible to know whether an individual law is made by the EU or the UK". Aren't barristers scarily stupid?

[@ulicadluga]

@Phil Earl F@#$! I know that British barristers are the thickest thing since short planks were invented. Our legal system is horrific. People become magistrates to boost their ego. We are ruled by maniacs and their apparent justification is a sh@#ty class system, underpinned by a corrupt monarchy. This country is doomed. Thank goodness for that!

[@ulicadluga]

@Phil EarlYou are just trying to imply that the EU makes our laws. Idiotic! How I wish people like you had been taught to think logically, instead of reading the "red tops"!

[@ulicadluga]

@Bernard Castle God, please protect us from shysters who desperately want us to believe they understand a legal system that bears no relation to a moral and reasonable world!

[@mickreaddin4979]

The "living wage" introduced - and now accepted by the msm as such - by the Tories, was no such thing. Its a rebranding of the minimum wage... simple as!

[@ruthbashford3176]

If Owen is so concerned with poverty wages why does he want to stay in an organisation that promotes poverty wages and bad working conditions. Make no mistake allowing large numbers of immigrants into the UK drives down wages for Bits.

[@ruthbashford3176]

There was a good article in the New Statesman: The Left-wing Case for Leaving the EU by John King. It certainly helped me make up my mind to vote Leave. I sometimes think Owen Jones just might be a hypocrite.

[@jamesconboy1491]

Shocked that Tim was apparently unaware that so many of his staff had to have their wages subsidised by government . Maybe he was aware and just ashamed to admit so whilst being interviewed.

[@steveknott4255]

He started the company does the publicity and leaves accountants to run it same as all of these capitalist sheisters

[@alexguiness7035]

oh the power of editing.

[@pinchermartyn3959]

Oh dear The Guardian...shame how it's turned out.

[@davidphipps1629]

Half the fkers are working at the BBC now.

[@davelordy]

Putting the jaunty pizzicato strings (denoting bumbling incompetency) over Martin as he spoke was a really cheap trick, do you honestly think people aren't going to notice this kind of framing ?

[@quintinsilver2056]

4:06 "You are a wealthy man" Owen your book sales made you be in the top 1% income bracket, why did you chose a different publisher to get a better deal? Why did you legally try to avoid tax by getting a better deal? People need to understand that just because socialists hate the rich doesnt mean they like the poor. There is a reason the wealthiest people in socialist countries are politicians and or their families i.e Venezuela and Zimbabwe. Mr Jones goes on about what specific law, the european search warrant is a good place to start. That flies in the face of the presumption of innocence, infact that was the law used to force a child who ran away from the NHS hospital to try and get treatment in span, that warrant was used to arrest the parents of the sick child. Lastly the point about the Eurozone is still valid as if we re join the EU there is no argument for not joining the Euro in the future and mr Jones knows this. Mr Jones why dont you tell us what would be the effect on the UK economy if we go back to the EU and there is another European financial crisis? I think if we need a little bit of honesty, Mr Jones is a globalist and doesnt agree with the nation state.

[@anthhub]

Appalling interview techniques, makes Cath Newman look balanced.

[@chrisnettleship4331]

There you have it, self-appointed man of the people, Dr Owen Jones. Thank God for his intellectual prowess, where would us motley lot be without him?

[@Johnny-sj9sj]

😂

[@jamesmason8436]

How many Brexiteers does it take to change a lightbulb? Five. One to hold the bulb, and four to turn the room.

[@UKWEED]

6:06 you can see the drink in him easily from here lol

[@dotmatrix01]

Owen Jones owned yet again!!

[@ajbradley4617]

dotmatrix01 by Tim Martin refusing to answer reasonable questions, not being able to name ANY EU laws, and not knowing how much his staff are paid? Yeah, totally owned...

[@dotmatrix01]

@@ajbradley4617 Owen Jones is a child and was treated as such!

[@plebjames]

@dotmatrix01 is there another video than the one above?

[@boxmastersystems4172]

Owned Jones

[@rodgerq]

You're fucking joking, right?

[@b0sH]

Weatherspoon's has dirt cheap prices and pays dirt cheap wages. There's a correlation there that his customers seem to enjoy but then would complain bitterly if the prices were raised to accommodate a raise in staff wages.

[@notinterestedingoogle2438]

"Weatherspoon's has dirt cheap prices and pays dirt cheap wages. There's a correlation there" - I don't disagree, but is it a necessary correlation? By contrast, Aldi is known for its low prices, yet workers there are paid quite well, starting at around £10 per hour I believe, so I'm not certain if low prices always have to mean low wages.

[@peterv1436]

Yet there is a third option beyond lowering wagers or raising prices: The board of Weatherspoons could decide to reduce dividends payed out to their shareholders.

[@b0sH]

@@notinterestedingoogle2438 Might I suggest that a good way of forcing Weatherspoon's hand would be for their employees to go and get a job at better paying Aldi then? Im sure WS could afford to pay more but unless you give then a motivation, why would they? Last time I checked they never claimed to be running a charity.

[@b0sH]

@@peterv1436 And how exactly would they sell that to the board? Lets give our workers more cash to show we appreciate them? It's a low skilled job with low pay.

[@andydudley1775]

@@b0sH i happy to see nice but dims pubs pulled down and replaced by aldi they pay wages and tax

[@PaulRoseGuitar]

Interruptions and talking over the top of. Situation normal.

[@davidchamberlain8910]

And why should he not interrupt the interviewee when (1) the interviewee won't give a straight answer and (2) the interviewee's answers contain incorrect assumptions?

[@j200gibbo]

@@davidchamberlain8910 Or more to the point that he likes the sound of his own voice, cross reference "every" video possible he's the same across the board...

[@davidchamberlain8910]

I've watched some of his other interviews and I'm afraid the evidence doesn't support your assertions from what I've seen. I've also seen Tim Martin interviewed elsewhere and, when corrected on wrongful statements, he likes to make a big protest about being interrupted.

[@DMWBN3]

He named the pub chain after his old school teacher. I believe the teacher told him that he would never amount to anything. "I travel a lot, . . . Mansfield" 😁😁

[@dlogan3099]

He makes a lot of money, but otherwise his teacher was right

[@rovertnitram123]

Not true :) i am Tim's youngest brother. We lived in new Zealand at the time and Tim named the company after a teacher who Tim liked but he couldn't control his class.

[@lestrem11]

Why is a 12 year old doing this interview?

[@utv5490]

Where?

[@sophieheritage478]

he’s nearly 40 lmao

[@theoneeyedmilkman1517]

Despite what I think of the fella Owen Jones does have a tendency to talk over people and he was asking questions without letting him answer appropriately

[@frenchguitarguy1091]

The one eyed Milkman well Tim was doing a David Cameron style avoid answering the question, since when has it been that journalists should just sit and accept everything that is being said, the best journalist get hard answers, not the rubbish that Tim was expecting blabber on

[@hamsatd]

Lol, which EU law don't you like??? *ERROR*

[@JudoP_slinging]

"You don't know where EU law ends and UK law starts" Yes, it doesn't surprise me you are this uninformed.

[@nonegiven2830]

"the ones around food hygiene... balls... how can I spin that in a positive way?"

[@hamsatd]

@@nonegiven2830 Haaaaaaa love this.

[@andydudley1775]

oh how childish then tries to blame his own beer top salemen he is looool

[@ChibiViolin]

He said he had a problem with EU law not a specific EU law. How do we get EU law repealed if it negatively effects us? Our MPs have no power, our MEPs can't repeal legislation and we can't hold the people who made the legislation to account because we didn't elect them. The only person with any clout is our head of state and they're only one of 26. So our only choice is to put up with it. If your OK with situation then you're not British you're European.

[@nishtjak]

‘Childish interview’? Irony overload!

[@ianmurphy76]

Well done Owen. Kick out the rich then we are all the same. Skint.

[@johnhooper7040]

That's the Thatcherite argument, now thoroughly discredited!

[@francisu4180]

I worked at spoons in Bristol. I was paid a bonus at the end of the month. The pay was really good and Mr Martin is a great employer

[@Gone_Gaming0]

What's your views on parkfield community school in Birmingham FATIMA SHAH WHO IS ANGRY OVER THE TEACHING OF LGBT AT PARKFIELD COMMUNITY SCHOOL A councillor who stated "children are too young" to learn about homosexuality and same-sex marriages in the classroom has publicly apologised, and said: "I overstepped the mark." Mohammed Idrees, a Labour councillor who represents Alum Rock in Birmingham, initially called for peace talks between protesting Muslim parents and a primary school supporting LGBT and equality. Last week, BirminghamLive reported how an angry group of parents protested outside Parkfield Community School - a school which runs a piloted curriculum based on No Outsiders. The programme is run alongside sex and relationship (SRE) lessons and has, in recent weeks, caused outrage among some Muslim parents - so much so that a handful decided to pull their children out from school until lessons are scrapped or drastically changed. On Saturday, Coun Idrees - a proud Muslim - revealed how he has been inundated with e-mails from furious parents who are against such teachings as homosexuality is strictly forbidden in Islam.

[@andymckee53]

Tim not nice and dim. Can't answer a single question put to him and goes red faced at the idea that his staff are paid min wage. Tells you all you need to know about the man.

[@suburbenyobbo]

He's half drunk of course he is red faced...

[@EloiseEighteen]

"rude and aggressive" as if! Apparently asking questions is aggressive... I think people will still be calling Owen 'childish' when he has gone grey at this rate!

[@xXevilsmilesXx]

He behaved like a FOX News pundit, not a journalist. Poisoning the Well, clearly a bias stance during that 'interview'. Arrogant, petty, and snide. Gonzo 'gothca'isms works for empty vassal arguments when the target is unprepared or in many cases, think the person they are talking to is a supporter. Problem is, when you get these slimy lampreys that call themselves 'journalists' in a formal interview they get torn apart.

[@melthalin3559]

It's going badly. Because we have a collection of MPs that don't like the result and want to reverse it, and a bunch of other ex MPs and PMs advising the EU about how best to derail the process. Also, this video isn't representative of the actual discussion - it lasts 2 minutes and at the end owen says it was interesting and he learnt a lot. What from? 1 and a half minutes of discussion? You've clearly highly edited it, same trick most of MSM uses to get the "story" they want and not an actual reflection of what happened. This isn't journalism and Jones isn't a journalist.

[@VolkerHett]

0.4 litre beer in my local pub is 3.50 Euro. I'm damn sure he doesn't like that :D

[@jamieking3055]

Referring to the part where Owen cornered Tim about 'Poverty wages'. I worked for Wetherspoon for three years on a Zero Hour Contract and ended up in more debt when I left. It gives companies like Wetherspoon the opportunity to outweigh its employees when comes to worker's rights. I'm amazed that the company is as huge as it is considering that behind the scenes, in your average Wethersoon's pub, is absolute chaos; food has to be out within ten minutes - timed and recorded. The amount of employees that come and go is phenomenal, managers will hire anyone regardless of their skills - with the clock running there is very little time to teach and train them, resulting in shoddy teamwork, poor time keeping and bonus losses. The worst part of working for Wetherspoons was the nepotism, usually within management, giving all of the hours and best shifts to their siblings. Tim Martin gives these so-called managers a pub business to play with and as long as they hit their targets - and everyone puts on an act when the auditor shows up once in a blue moon - he doesn't seem to give a toss! Tim Martin has built an Empire and become very rich on zero hours contracts while his employees struggle to make-ends-meat on less than the minimum wage - maybe if he payed more than minimum wage his customers would get more than minimum effort.

[@undefinedfreedom8580]

This is Owen’s Chanel, yet read the comments. Shame in you , Mr Jones.

[@SparkMomentum01]

Owen is a good example of how people of today have their intelligence 'educated' away.

[@ashleycohen2258]

Steve Owen took an A level ininterrupting.

[@FWDDGS]

Drunk rich old man slurs incoherently. Accuses everyone else of causing all the world’s problems. When his flaws are pointed out, reacts angrily and with ad hominem slurs. Glad to know he lived up to all expectations.

[@David-dl6zg]

Socialist soy boy and professional victim who wouldn't know poverty if it shat on his face constantly inturupts accomplished old man who's earned the right to get as pissed as he likes.

[@thedroid6462]

'Drunk rich old man slurs incoherently' You really should get out more as you clearly don't understand that people have different accents.

[@cameronhodgkinson502]

+

[@treeaboo]

@@David-dl6zg Oh David you're embarrassing yourself, nobody uses "Soy boy" in 2019, you're late to the party.

[@benwarnock]

Nice editing with the music to make him seem stupid from the get-go. Wouldn’t expect anything less from Owen.

[@davidphipps1629]

How shocked was I to find out Owen Jones edited this video to suit his agenda?

[@leonodonoghueburke4276]

Source?

[@mrmountain1683]

i have a game. Every time owen clips the footage to suit his agenda you drink! always gets you wasted 😜

[@simon-b]

Tim Martin reminds me of Neil from The Young Ones!!!

[@mickreaddin4979]

But less intelligent, and certainly more drippy.

[@trav28]

@@mickreaddin4979 But a lot richer and more successful than all the people commenting here (combined).

[@lupo10]

Simon B haha I was just thinking that!

[@nonegiven2830]

Neil was likeable

[@andydudley1775]

come on neil had morels and tried hard to better himself nice but dims tried hard to get us to pay for him to better himself and using the tory to hide behind so he dont pay tax

[@mickreaddin4979]

Favourite tropes of Brexiteers that are completely irrelevant: 1. They wanted us to join the Euro back in the 70's 80's (whenever! It was a bloody long time ago). Ermmm, we didn't! 2. The Euro is in a mess! So what, we're not part of it. Like I said.... Irrelevant.

[@amigaamigo5307]

mick readdin but it is planned that we would have to in the future. The Eu superstate needs full control

[@spaceycakey1987]

just because we are not in the euro it does not mean it wont effect us not being in the euro helps us by acting as a buffer if the euro crashes but does not mean we would not be expected by the EU to help bail out failing euro zone country's who got in the mess of joining the euro when personally in my opinion its only caused them harm look at Greece luckily Greece is tiny but if it happens to Italy even Germany is not rich enough to bail them out if there economy collapses like Greece it would be a disaster for all world markets and those outside the euro zone but in the EU would have to foot the majority of the bill

[@dlogan3099]

@@amigaamigo5307 do you have the names of the people planning it, or are you just saying that and hoping everybody believes you?

[@amigaamigo5307]

denis logan the sleepers have awoken many years ago. They won’t ever let us leave. Kalergi

[@davidedbrooke9324]

Owen Jones a Marxist Pratt.

[@null140]

He doesn't even know what he's paying his own staff. Why? Because he doesn't care. The mark of a 'successful' person. Brilliant.

[@jamessheridan4306]

"Why are you interrupting me?" Because that's what he does.

[@ssdmcleod]

Can you imagine Owen Jones running anything, he fails in every debate, doesn’t listen to facts and absolutely loves his own voice. Wouldn’t trust the man as far as I could throw him.

[@MrMargaretScratcher]

How did he fail here?

[@enjay4251]

@@MrMargaretScratcher because he went off the point of brexit????

[@MrMargaretScratcher]

@@enjay4251 Fuck me did you watch the video? He said he was fed up of EU laws, and was asked which laws he didn't like. Tried to wriggle away from having to answer.

[@jackstarling1895]

Should be sent over to Venezuela see how things are doing over there

[@davidburgess3579]

We have nothing to do with Venezuela. It would be more relevant to compare Germany, a far more efficient and richer country than us, to the policies of the Tories and Labour. @@jackstarling1895

[@MrLeeKnees]

The way they man laughed in your face when you were asking him about wages was utterly vile. The guy makes my skin crawl and I'm glad I don't have a work at Wetherspoons...

[@StuJee1]

I worked at wetherspoons. It paid reasonably well and I managed to live on the wages.

[@jezsimpson8772]

@@StuJee1 Funny that because your comment coming from a person with first hand experience doesn't fit in with the "Poverty wage" agenda it has become invisible , ,Im waiting for you to be accused of being a wetherspoons "plant" next

[@Man_v_Cars]

No-one has to work at Wetherspoons. Are you simple?

[@Crudecraig]

I challenge you to find a barman in any pub making much more than £8 an hour. Just like a waitress, or shop worker. Low skilled jobs pay low wages

[@holycannoli64]

He probably laughed because he had the realisation that Owen has never run a business and hasn't the faintest idea of how things like wages work. I took it as a kindly chuckle (as when a small child asks a naive question). It's okay when children do it though obviously.

[@Evemeister12]

This aged well for tim

[@davidtanycoed]

Owen, I’d be very grateful if I could ask you a couple of questions myself. I recently watched the BBC history documentary by Peter Hitchens - This Sceptic Isle (its on KZbin). I am therefore interested to know what are your views on this, as I understand you also studied history and interviewed Peter Hitchens. Obviously it is presented with a euro sceptic view, however, the facts are alarmingly accurate and I’m sure you would be outraged by the way the British public were kept in the dark on the EU’s intentions and how the EU has developed behind closed doors. Secondly, also in relation to history. I understand why remainers are rightly concerned about the uncertainty of leaving the EU, which is mainly for economic reasons rather than social. How can Remainers be so certain that the EU project will be a guaranteed success in the near future? I strongly believe in the notion that history has a habit of repeating itself. All great Empires have fallen, the obvious being the Roman Empire, which fell due to economic collapse and invasion. I am already sensing that the EU project is already starting to collapse due to change in public opinions and unrest across Europe. I feel it is only the elite and the large corporate companies that benefit from this club. However, I feel, the average man will have better opportunities to compete when governed within its own country on a smaller platform. Surely, as a man who advocates freedom and an end to poverty, a local approach to society is best for everyone. A person to person approach - is by far more successful than some unelected person/machine several hundred miles away. The majority of British people are suffering from this faceless elite, big corporates and global destruction. I love Europe, but lets protect our heritage, history, diversity, uniqueness and exciting cultures in each European country - not dissolve them into a Global Club that only serves the elite. I’d be grateful for your thoughts?

[@Caroline-ud8un]

I’m not sure Owen Jones can handle the nuance of that position David!

[@LucifersTear]

Owen Jones should retire from media... When everyone you talk to says your interviewing is weak and nothing but talking points maybe they're right. I agree with them having watched most of your stuff, I'm surprised you're still working.

[@enochpowelghost]

Yet the man provides good priced beer and food for the low paid workers. working class cant afford to go to a ordinary pub because they are too pricey and middle class.. I know southend and i know the contrasts between pubs, working class pubs are closing down

[@darrenwilson8042]

People need to wise up. There are benefits scroungers in this country - Martin is representing them here. All your supermarkets, petrol stations etc etc that pay staff basic wages whilst turning huge profits and paying themselves a fortune but safe in the knowledge that we, the tax payer, will pick up the slack by paying in work benefits. Oh and lets not forget that they do their best to minimise the amount of tax they themselves actually pay into the system.

[@thedroid6462]

The interview is clearly edited and I simply wouldn't trust Owen Jones to edit it in a fair and balanced way at all.

[@MrAmericanbeauty]

Owen, im all for higher wages, but can you show me your system, is £9 an hour poverty wage? is £10 an hour poverty wage? if so please tell me what an unskilled worker should get per hour, what a semi skilled worker should get, and obviously what a highly skilled worker should get, then move up to successful business owners and tell me what they are allowed to earn, and then where is this money going to come from, just for the record, i am a builder/brickie, tell me where i come on the scale, i earn £16 an hour on day work, if you are going to tell me that someone unskilled with no responsibilty is going to earn say £10 an hour then naturally i should be on more than £16, do you see the problem? otherwise building sites will be full of people wanting £11 an hour to stand about staring at their phones half the day rather than earn £16 for all the responsibility

[@SteveParryGwynfryn]

OJ doesn't debate, he just talks over with his agenda

[@chazedson1]

Im sure the child thought he won that argument. He really shouldn't be given air-time.

[@garygreen226]

Funny how he didn’t like your interview when you started talking about wages

[@skyblazeeterno]

capitalists are usually scumbags so what do you expect

[@enjay4251]

The interview was meant to be about brexit though?

[@forza223bowe5]

You are working in a pub, not performing open heart surgery. I think it would be a bit unreasonable to expect high wages. £8.05 is actually a good wage

[@garygreen226]

Forza223 Bowe you try living on it then

[@johnmchugh8860]

Martin is not a capitalist. Jeez. He is a successful business man, opening up bars one at a time to establish a brand

[@RSNathan911]

So heavily edited. Do you think you were being clever with all those cuts?

[@tomcolton5662]

That's what you call angry clueless Gammon. Thanks Owen!

[@venkataramansomasundaram5905]

Owen Jones who is he?Anna Soubury's brother?

[@penaltygallery]

Is that a intentional act (like Trump) to appear normal and relatable to the common folk or is he really that incompetent? Owner of one of Britain's biggest and most successful businesses and he doesn't know what laws are UK or EU laws??

[@willjdeanie]

He doesnt know because no one knows. Thats the entire point. That is why estimates vary so wildly. It's impossible to quantify how much of our legislation has EU influence. It's in everything, in his business, everything from the labelling on bottles, to the temperature of fridges, to the Times he can open and close, to the information he has to give in ads, where he can and cannot put fruit machines, how much they can pay out, what units of measurement he's allowed to use, how many of those units he can sell at one time, the legal contracts with his employees, every last bit of the brewing process from the beer he buys to the transportation of that beer to his pub , and every single aspect involved in selling it.... millions , literally millions of bits of legislation that have to be adhered to. And much of it written into our law to conform with EU regs. And all of it applies all the time. EU regulates everything internally, regardless of whether it's imported or exported. It's applied universally. Then when you realise that the lobby groups representing multi national companies and corporations are influencing much of the regulations in their own industries, sometimes literally writing their own legislation themselves which is stifling to smaller business that cannot afford the outlay to compete adhering to this stuff then u start to see the depth of the problem.

[@nuttysquirrel8574]

That's because nobody knows as they are all so entangled but, the bottom line is, just accept they are ALL made in brussels and we have to obey. We no longer make our own laws so, if we remain in eu we may as well abolish Parliament as what would politicians then do? Why remoaners want to stay inside a united states of europe where you have NO say in who is elected, NO say in what laws are made, NO mechanism to change the dictators in charge (if there are no public elections and the leaders elect themselves then, ergo, they are dictators) is totally incomprehensible to me. At least here we still have a meagre sense of democracy, although the remoaners are trying very hard to overthrow that, and if you don't like who is in charge you can at least change them every 5 years.

[@Max-beorht]

This is hilarious, the guy's absolutely clueless

[@jasonvoorhees7638]

Thats why owen is interviewing him, he cant interview intellect, on account owen has none, so he has to interview complete baffoons to take the higher ground, he should of interviewed tommy but the coward backed out of that 1 when tommy offered his invite.

[@kayem3824]

He is a genius when he is sober.

[@lookandlisten5740]

Yeah, Owens absolutely fucking useless, isn't he

[@willetfarm]

Yes...Owen Jones is clueless regarding the minimum wage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5KmoZSFg5qBr6c

[@knifesedge]

What’s interesting about Wetherspoons and similar pub chains is not only the bar staff but management. They are salaried, and forced to work practical roles to keep staff costs down, often working 65-70+ hours per week, having been coerced to opt out of maximum hours legislation

[@mariacornwallis1602]

I was waiting for some hero to pour a pint of beer over him

[@brianorakpohit]

Who, Martin? Yes, if only.

[@dmanntube]

He's a barrister? Imagine being represented by that in court. He couldn't name one law that he believes was forced on the British people, by the EU.

[@hounslowparks2469]

This man employs some 37,000 people, that provides millions in direct and indirect revenue to spend on public services. You can bash him all you want but the fact remains he has a positive contribution to the wealth of the UK. Owen needs to get a new Schick because it gets very boring.

[@bradleyriddell4745]

Hounslow Parks: That point of view is a lie peddled by the very wealthy or the wannabe wealthy. It’s a vapid argument ignoring the main point which is why are wages so low? Why aren’t we, as a first world wealthy nation, paying a higher wage? Why does our government stand idly by & condone minimum wages? If there were more money in the pockets of the many the economy would speed up because people would spend more because they would have more. What the wealthy are saying is no! Keep the wealth in the hands of the few ie: us, otherwise people will rise above their station & then we’ll have chaos!!! Free market economic theory maintains power in the hands of the few despite its rhetorical use of the word “free” & the concept that alludes to. We’re about as free as a tethered animal indentured to a life of tedious labour but encouraged to be the pampered racehorse running free in a neighbouring field. The politics of envy & the enforced notion that we’re never good enough keeps us quiet, & constantly seeking relief from a miserable grey existence of never quite enough where the skies are always overcast & the sun hidden from our view. Meanwhile on the other side of the island the privileged enjoy their life of plenty & we ordered to be quiet & compliant by the likes of Tim Martin who’s arrogance extends to him “educating” his punters as to why they just don’t understand whilst his grossly underpaid bar staff serve them “soma”.

[@hounslowparks2469]

@@bradleyriddell4745 Ah, the warbling's of the socialist. It's like you cut and paste your crap every time. You might want to get today's copy of the Sunday times new 'Tax list' of the top 10 contributors to the UK. Dyson sits at Number 3 with an estimated contribution of £127.8m Here's a fun fact for you. The conservatives introduced the National Living Wage. I didn't see labour do that in the 13 years they had the chance to do so. And it was the Labour government that introduced university fees. Go educate yourself.

[@dfwarner84]

The tax bill is about £700m/pa 👍

[@thekingoftheboxleton]

Have some dignity . Do you think Min Tartin would waste 5 seconds helping you for any reason whatsoever? Would he fok. Have some bloody dignity. It's embarassing, we used to be a plucky underdog country and now all we want to is wank off billionaires in public

[@ruthbashford3176]

@@bradleyriddell4745 It's a question of supply and demand. Too many people chasing too few jobs. Why pay more when a migrant will do the job for less.

[@Goofy.9982]

Never got to hear Tim Martin? Owen wouldn’t let him get a word in. He kept interrupting Tim Martin. So overall a very misleading interview.

[@themightydash1714]

Thats Owen "pretending to be working class" Jones for you, The mans a fucking snake and a liar.

[@carlshadbolt9193]

Agree !! Owen does that alot !! but he is so thick the thinks it looks clever!! lol To talk over someone in a interview is unprofessional and childish !! and to not let the person you interview answer your question shows again lack of intelligence Owen has !! It also shows he likes the sound of his own voice !! which shows he really isnt interested in the subject he brought up !! the man is a fake !! and arrogant !! i like arrogance but only with people that have the intelligence to back it up !! sadly owen hasnt !!

[@bigrathole]

As if the goofy music wasn't interruption enough.

[@Alun49]

I suspect Tim Martin is now weeping into a pint glass as he has to sell off more and more of his pubs. His support for the idiocy of Brexit has now bitten him firmly in the bar stool. As less and less pints are pulled in his crumbling business, he will still walk away a millionaire as his staff end up having to take out a loan just to buy a packet of cheese and onion.

[@adrianjohnlouis1]

If your on minimum wage or above it's not poverty according to government or EU!

[@MosherMike]

£8.05 is not a poverty wage. It's what that role is worth. However Tim Martin (who resembles Doc from Back to the Future and sounds just as sane) just further solidifies my opinion that Brexit supporters are illogical and suffer cognitive dissonance.

[@Mr00MARK00]

Owen Jones keep up the good work,You are one of the reasons we all voted to leave. !!

[@SnazzBot]

You should have give him a pamphlet on the living wage, he may have been genuinely confused as the conservatives change the name of the minimum wage to the living wage.

[@skyblazeeterno]

i dont think thats even the conservatives...the minimum wage is the wage people SHOULD get paid but some companies are not even paying that...the living wage I think is a level of wage quite above the minimum wage (hardly surprising) where people can live with a bit of dignity

[@ChibiViolin]

Bartending is an entry level position in the labor market that only requires basic literacy skills and isn't physically demanding. With card payments now the most popular way of payment this job could be done by a touchscreen or a monkey. The only reason it isn't automated is because people like to socialise at the bar and a automated system would be far to efficient.

[@alexsavill3859]

Pl

[@forza223bowe5]

£8.05 isn’t bad at all for working in a pub, also bear in mind that you could get more for working lates, or Sunday’s. I have seen people with far more responsibility on far less

[@robddickinson4217]

I'd like to see the full version of this... y'know the one which hasn't been heavily edited to ensure facts don't get in the way of a good story. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? What has become clear during the past couple of years is that so-called liberal left in the UK are anything but liberal. Quite the opposite in fact.

[@USATA45auto]

Not being from England so I’m taking a guess at the this if they were paid 10 pounds would the cost of the drink go up in that pub.

[@davidstorey2368]

I'd rather that tbh they work hard And are paid pittance

[@rupertsplinge6082]

544 as against 53 MPs voted for an EU Referendum. 80% of the electorate voted for political parties that supported this country leaving the EU. This was further backed up in a referendum where 51.9% of people voted to leave the EU the ballot paper for which did not mention the word DEAL. The only MPs who want a second referendum are the ones who refused to accept the decision of the first. Is this democracy?

[@MrRailjunkie]

People like to call Owen childish well one person in this interview is behaving childish & it ain't Owen. Tim Martin is a typical far right brexiteer who doesn't like to be grilled & confronted about his Brexit views & he doesn't want to admit that Owen is right but I think he knows it.

[@MrRailjunkie]

Well He want's Boris as PM for a start & He thinks we should crash out without a deal & I'm sure he knows what that means & that's a far right view for understanding what no deal would do otherwise misguided. Just look at all the Brexiteers who want no deal all self serving lying cheating greedy conning scamming bastards trying push their own self serving political & financial agendas. LEAVE VOTERS WAKE UP & REALIZE YOU WERE CONNED & YOUR WILL MEANS NOTHING TO PEOPLE LIKE FARAGE, REECE MOGG, JOHNSON, GOV & TIM MARTIN. THEY HAVE ALL USED YOU FOR THEIR OWN SELFISH GREED.

[@suburbenyobbo]

NPC128219031: PUB MAN BAD

[@willjdeanie]

He's far right now ? ........ far right eh?..... hhmm....... this must be the most irritating thing about all of this. I say irritating, it's actually dangerous for some people , because what you're doing is creating a divisive , polarised and aggressive attitude by labelling , or smearing I should say, people you have a different political opinion to. You're creating this divisiveness with this casual use of these labels. you are literally imagining these racists , you're plucking them from your own imagination and willing them into existence. People are just utterly sick of it, because , sadly there are people who actually believe this now. It's been repeated so many times, that it's become the reality for some people, particularly many minorities, who might not understand that this isn't a reality , it's an invention of a hysterical, catastrophising left wing, ideologues who have lost a referendum and are now behaving in this utterly appalling manor as they simply can't accept it. If I was.living here from a different culture, perhaps not first language english, had not been here long and was yet to understand the lying hysterical nature of left wing identity politics, I would assume that people like you were telling the truth, and that half the country is intolerant, racist, extreme and fascistic. Either that or thick. Which is the other accusation banded around constantly. It would be a very scary place indeed. But its not true. The reality is that Britain, far from being a racist intolerant country, is actually one of the most tolerant, least prejudicial and xenophobic in the world right now. ..... or ever. This wholenarrative has been concocted. People are getting attacked because of these accusations, and other people are living in fear , thinking everyone must be a Nazi. I honestly fucking despair. If you think Tim Martin is far right, then honestly I can't imagine what you will do when one day you actually meet someone from the real far right. Thankfully they're in such tiny numbers they're actually an irrelevance, not that you would know it from listening to lies like you and Owen Jones spout. Have some self respect, stop lying, and get a grip. We made a decision , you don't Like it , but that's life, now we have a job to do , we have to make the transition as painless as possible , we have to all pull together and it's going to be difficult. There is going to be a financial collapse in europe very soon and its going to be very hard times. So just grow up, stop being hysterical and calling people you don't like'far right" and show some fucking Dunkirk spirit.

[@enjay4251]

Have you really said Tim Martin is far right aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂hhhhhhh

[@jordantaylor716]

"Far right Brexiteer". Lol, liberals are so unhinged and disconnected from reality. If 17 million citizens of the UK were "far-right", you'd be in real trouble.

[@MrFergusferret]

Owen likes to hear his own voice but can't hear anyone else opinion!

[@jelleepit]

Go and interview someone in the fishing industry or any of the other British industries which have been ruined by the EU.

[@dlogan3099]

Where do all the British fish exports go?

[@bookypeej9477]

His reluctancy to answer says it all.

[@underboat96]

I would never ever tire of jumping up and down on Owen Jones`s head.............Ever ever ever.

[@gyrovague]

Tim Martin sees himself as some sort of political rockstar yet can't answer the most basic questions on the EU or brexit or get into any real discussion about bread and butter issues connected with Brexit. Looks embarrassed like he hasn't considered what his position of power entails. Answer some questions!! And change your beer, it's stale!

[@ruthbashford3176]

gyrovague. I fail to see what Tim Martin pays his staff has got to do with Brexit. You'll be saying next that the EU are a benevolent organisation that care about the plight of the working poor in Britain.

[@pencilme1n]

It's caused by his tendency to over sample the stock

[@jeanpaultaylor5070]

Tim Martin has revitalised the public house business. It has encouraged employment in an otherwise dying industry. Owen Jones has employed no one because he is not clever enough.

[@cheapdate100]

The wages the company pays are presumably commensurate with the skills required for the job. And each employee accepted employment with the company on a voluntary basis. If they feel they can command a higher wage they are free to seek alternative employment. Of course if we were out of the Customs Union we would cease to be subject to the EU tariff regime. Tariffs on food add significantly to the cost of living for the poorest. How come a lefty extremist like little Owen is allowed in to polite discourse when another extremist type, like say Nick Griffin is considered beyond the pale ? They’re both equally offensive in their own ways.

[@dlogan3099]

Food will be dearer under wto rules. Irish beef will cost 3 times as much. Of course you can import ossi beef at half the price, stuffed with hormones

[@fatfat1877]

@@dlogan3099 We can drop tariffs post brexit.

[@empyreanfrusciante3026]

Comparing nick Griffin and Owen jones is ridiculous

[@frazerduncan356]

Thank god for Brexit. What a victory!!

[@garylake8654]

I just walked past my local Wetherspoons on my way to Sainsburys, it was full of young people. I very rarely visit one of their branches, I think maybe twice in the past five years. What i do not understand, as someone who wishes for us to stay in the EU, but pro material reforms, (as I think its in deep trouble, like we will be if we leave), is why Owen Jones, as quite a hard core socialist, wishes to remain, as the EU is pretty much run by the big company lobyists? The EU is not good for working class people, but is good for business, as they have effectively commoditised labour with their thirst for expansion. The reason that young people seem to like 'Spoons', is that its drink is served at prices they can just about afford, so they have to have cheap labour to meet the price points. You would think that Tim Martin would want to remain in the EU on that basis alone. In fact, logic suggests that they should switch positions, I find it very ironic.

[@bmker5469]

I worked for JD Wetherspoons for over 3 years and made quite good money, Very far from poverty wages as depicted in some of the replies... Every time I see this man interviewing or being interviewed he's self-righteous and self-opinionated. Owen Grow Up...

[@porkuspious5045]

Well I know someone who was working for Wetherspoons in 1997 the starting wage was £5.50 When he left 10 years later in 2007 (same level). He was on £7.50. Its 2019 & the starting wage is £8.05 So in the last 12 years the basic starting wage at Wetherspoons has only gone up by 55p.

[@bmker5469]

@@porkuspious5045 I worked as a chef then manager.. 24k chef then 27.5k manager..

[@porkuspious5045]

​@Paul John You are completely out of touch with working class people if you think that people stay in jobs because they like them, it's mostly a case of having to do a job, not liking it. And just because an employer pays an amount doesn't mean it's a sufficient amount. You just come across as either stupid, or someone who holds anti-working class views or someone who does not understand our lives.

[@forza223bowe5]

Barrington Boltitude People take jobs to keep a roof over the head, most people don’t have much passion for the work they do.

[@themightydash1714]

Agreed, as an entry level employer for a first job to gain skills, spoons is probably the best. The point is that anyone looking at bar work as a career, or flipping burgers as a career is an idiot. Gain skills and move on and up. it's a simple concept.

[@marko1316]

Owen Jones, "I travel a lot, Blackpool, Mansfield and places who voted to leave." Wow, a well travelled man. Pop over to Frnace, Germany, Italy and many others whose people I've met who want to leave.

[@marko1316]

@Federico Rueda Grassi yep the UK voted to leave and he and the Guardian newspaper doesn't like it.

[@downunderbrutha]

To be fair, both questions and response were clumsy.

[@enochpowelghost]

Tim who represents the working classes and as a ex postman i know where this is. Cheers Tim the people will follow you who makes beer affordable.

[@neilfletcher1841]

Thank you Tim for a sensible response to EU membership. Owen Jones your contribution to the UK economy is how much in £s and pence? Stay or Leave, I voted Leave with every understanding of what that question posed at the ballot box - all of our executive decision making returning to the UK Parliament. £8.05 an hour - bloody hell, I was on £25.00 a week when I left school and had to give my parents £10.00 a week for board. We seriously need to be rid of this silly nonsense and be unshackled from the political left to go and make our own way again in the world.