Lazaundra and Julian | Family or Fiancé S1E05 | Full Episode | OWN

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[@ilissawalker7051]

I can't wait to watch the next season🥂

[@dorcbohema8654]

That Man’s son is so mature😫, he immediately had his arms around her eldest daughter when she got upset the second time. ALL THE KIDS ARE MORE MATURE THAN THEIR PARENTS

[@helenadellcolebyjohnson5370]

With selfish parents like that they were force to grow up

[@katrinafoster4239]

He about 45 aint he?

[@kp1360]

The fact that she single-handedly caused all this chaos says a lot about her character!!

[@misslady5029]

Or lack of.......

[@ansliejones2789]

They've failed as parents, all the kids felt left out, all their lives, and finally had a safe place to express those feelings

[@RecklessInspirer]

The bride can’t take an ounce of constructive criticism without being disrespectful and defensive about it. You can’t grow or better yourself with that state of mind!

[@roxiestarr3430]

She said she allowed herself to get out of character. I call BS! THIS IS HER CHARACTER!

[@brittanymarie8892]

Exactly

[@philizeed8938]

yep!!!!

[@johnnycooper1100]

She looked Toxic…before even talking. Who would want to come home & have to deal with that on a daily basis? Only a fool .

[@Hellokittytheonetheylovetohate]

​@@johnnycooper1100I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. 😂😂

[@shawndasmith8475]

As soon as she said it 😒

[@Secxysauce]

This definitely doesn't need to happen, this woman is argumentative and very disrespectful.

[@worldpeace0266]

And it makes her unattractive

[@stevengunn9254]

Yes he couldn't grill fish in peace 😮

[@richbabe7836]

Right! Who calls themselves “argumentative” 😂😂😂

[@qj5418]

she maybe argumentative but his family is trash and speaks very aggressively towards her! that would trigger anyone especially someone dealing with something

[@LeshaFBaby]

He couldn't even fry fish, enjoy a drink, or together some sleep in peace

[@roshandawilson8313]

That father and son moment was needed. I felt that.

[@casaleeromina]

She’s so cold towards her own daughters. They expressed what they felt and she’s like oh well, get over it. People like that are demons. Need to be cleansed, therapy and healed. That pain she inflicted on her daughters will affect them into their own relationships.

[@je.suis.prisci]

She isn't completely cold towards them, but she needs to go into therapy, she's very difficult and defensive. This is a woman with a lot of trauma and has always been in survival mode, that's why she is too controlling.

[@jocelynthurman6099]

I felt her daughter. Her daughters are use to seeing their mom cause chaos and they are TIRED..

[@saturnladee110]

You can see the relief of Julian when the wedding was called off. He wants/needs to get away from that lady.

[@delsgurl4133]

I was relieved and I don't even know these people 😂

[@saturnladee110]

@@delsgurl4133 😂😂😂

[@CreoleBeautyCooking]

I was so happy they broke up she wouldn’t ever let him led . He was trying

[@tranquilrabies]

Now off to the tattoo removal clinic.

[@user-gu6vf3je1d]

But he didn’t have the balls to do it first. He had many opportunities and he was too busy acting above it all.

[@ieshaferguson7755]

Ms. Regina broke my heart when she fell out sobbing in her brothers arms 🥺

[@mekas2008]

U can tell she was the reason her first marriage didn't work.

[@johnnycooper1100]

💯

[@Hellokittytheonetheylovetohate]

You already know. Hell, she was cheating in her husband and took her so-called friend man.

[@latriekacanada8669]

OR that first marriage is why she acts the way she acts. She needs to heal.

[@mzmzunderstood702]

I realized the same thing too! She plays victim, makes everything about her & lashes out at everybody that does not agree with her! She deflects!

[@versileejohnson8092]

Yes I said that too.

[@brittanymarie8892]

I watched on my tv , but had to rewatch on my phone just to comment ! Lasundra is BEYOND IMMATURE AND very DEFENSIVE . I was so uncomfortable watching her play victim whilst actually being the BULLY

[@Hellokittytheonetheylovetohate]

Yes! I can't stand women like her.

[@yahira6928]

Very and not LISTENING to her children

[@rachellerockel]

Narcissistic traits indeed

[@wamz9191]

She might be a narc

[@Jasmyn_Victoria]

She’s very immature with her GROWN SELF … she’s not ready! There’s some healing, reflecting and accountability needed on her part.

[@dianalogan6185]

She have her eyes 👀 on her friend man when she was with her husband girl bye 👋🏾 I wouldn’t like you either!!

[@maxxxcee602]

I forgot about that characteristic on top of the rest of her personality traits😏

[@chelee8804]

The fact that bride didn’t try to stop her daughter from attacking a grown woman on national tv told me all I needed to know. This whole situation was a mess from the start. What they are seeing in eachother is just the tip of the iceberg. Run!

[@cookiecuteasapuppy1008]

Lazondra is her own worst enemy. Those two beautiful daughters see that their mom is the issue. He’s no angel .. but Chile .. just watching her.. gave me a headache 🤦🏽‍♀️💯

[@DhrMarshall]

he cant safe here

[@Deckboy]

The fact that the daughter lashed out let's me know this is an ongoing thing. Zee does not want to be told what to do or compromise. They ain't gonna last. He's not gonna leave out of boredom he's gonna leave cause he won't be able to handle this type of woman. Hurt,combative and mean.

[@johnnycooper1100]

Add selfish & Controlling to that.

[@ameliajohnson4454]

Exactly 💯

[@qj5418]

that daughter lashed out because that family keeps disrespecting her mother.. hence calling her mother a B! When someone is damaged or hurt don’t kick them and poke! just end everything bc that family is messy and she can’t control her anger!

[@aliciaaa6021]

@@qj5418 you still keep your composure the will be like their mother if they don’t learn to not lash out

[@Sarahyummy]

😂😂😂😂😂 babyyyyy that woman is toxic but he is just as toxic as she is.

[@Tee89694]

That man just wanted to eat his steak and dress-up 😂

[@johnnycooper1100]

He is no where near as toxic.

[@veeee3247]

@@johnnycooper1100he is described as running through women. Yes he is

[@lachell257]

Both families have too much trauma. They both need to resolve.

[@laverdad8038]

He definitely is he’s just not as vocal as she is, but they are two sides of the same coin

[@Mz_Ak47]

She toxic and don’t know how to handle it. I felt bad for all the kids.

[@TB-fk4qm]

His son is speaking 100% facts....

[@saturnladee110]

She tells his son not to cut her off when she os talking but proceeds to interrupt him, he couldn't geta word in.

[@delsgurl4133]

Exactly 💯

[@backpackmami]

She was married for 20 years, got divorced…and began dating a man who was dating her friend…the way she acted, it is reasonable to believe back before the 20 year marriage, she surrounds herself w/ ppl who will allow her to control them. I think she wants to change and that might be why she got a divorce but she is more of a problem than she realized. I like both families and hope they can work it out.

[@sattasana7753]

✅️

[@nikiahandy4403]

Getting with a man who dated your friend tells me all I need Tim know,,

[@ivy1908pearl]

@nikiahandy4403 Yes!!!!

[@maragwyn9220]

I really think she's forcing EVERYTHING because she knows she was messing around with him while he was with her friend so she knows he will take it there with ANYONE 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@backpackmami]

@@maragwyn9220 clock that tea…clock that tea! 🫰🫰🫰😆

[@seanjean9677]

The niece and son is this man’s twin! It’s unbelievable!

[@delsgurl4133]

How she gonna come on a show like this and get mad when the people do what you asked them to do 🤦🏾‍♀️ she needs to grow up, i don't blame the son for going off.

[@1BeautifullyBlessed]

🤦🏽‍♀️ right

[@KikisBams]

The groom's sister, Regina, broke my heart when she cried, "Y'all did to us." People need to understand that a marriage involves a whole family, and that's not a joke. Marriage is sacred!

[@divinedriven1693]

Marriage is sacred and the bible says you become one! Man says you marry the family its not about the family

[@Hollygdorsey1]

No ma’am , I disagree. We’ve married each other not the entire family. I only say that because I don’t have children yet and letting your mom, sister, brother, Uncle, niece, nephew, into your marriage leads to a nasty divorce.

[@divinedriven1693]

@@Hollygdorsey1 facts

[@theejaydoubleyew]

"Did to us?!" "DID," though LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[@sunnybright8206]

No tf it’s not it’s between those two people

[@racistsbegone7215]

The producers will forever be messy, there was absolutely no reason why they needed to show someone's sandals kicked off!😂

[@Cupcake40]

😂😂 if you look closely you can see smoke coming out of the sandals

[@rachellerockel]

😂

[@Same_ol_jee]

Wait cause I ain’t get to that part yet 😂😂😂

[@Quidi842]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jasminehouston-burns1691]

Sounds like it was absolutely necessary

[@jackychela4638]

Lazaundras daughters are so cute❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@D_A_Marv]

Lazundra is IGNANT and needs therapy She needs to spend time to know herself as a single woman and time with her girls She will lose the respect of her children. When Aravia started yelling and crying? I felt her pain

[@vturner2297]

Everything you said is accurate!

[@itsjustmeshay]

Ignant 😅😅😅is sending me😂😂😂😂

[@malenahernandez9377]

That woman is angry, dismissive and shady. They won’t last. Her own family don’t even like her. Don’t take that problem to yourself.

[@godsleep6129]

I know her ex husband blood pressure has gone down so much the doctor wants too know the cure 😂😂😂

[@tamarawarren2591]

This was emotional. Im crying like its my family. 😂

[@Marshay]

Yes

[@cierracooper7882]

I thought I was the only one! I felt triggered, and this wasn't even my family!

[@LeshaFBaby]

Right 😂😂😂

[@seanjean9677]

Parents need to be parents! Your kids need you! You choose them!

[@vturner2297]

Period! Both sides are crying out for their parents love and attention

[@yahira6928]

Agreed, it is very clear both children are saying they want quality time with their parents

[@bjizzle9912]

Period

[@YouCantSeeMee4]

I really don’t like how the dad stopped the son from crying. He really missed the opportunity to allow his son to be vulnerable to him that was sad

[@RahYisrael99]

Thank you!! That really bothered me. It's clear that he is so broken. He needs to cry a lot. He has been chasing his dad for years while dad chased women.

[@YouCantSeeMee4]

@@RahYisrael99 righttt there’s nothing worse than realizing your parent loves something or someone else more than they love you and it’s even worse when the parent knows that you know but won’t own up to it

[@walterbrown2425]

He doesn’t like that his son is gay

[@dwtheshoecollector208]

Man that lady is the main reason for the chaos at that retreat . She needs to work on her anger and defensiveness

[@umadox41]

Lazaundra gurl, why are you so combative? No mam! She's got lots of healing to do and getting married right now is NOT what she needs to do.

[@johnnycooper1100]

He should leave & never look back.

[@loletta1988]

Let me hurry up and finish eating 😂😂😂 i felt that 💯👏🏾

[@misslady5029]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@allegroaffettuoso9012]

I know a lot of people like Lazaundra. They’re broken, super sensitive, and have been victimized, but instead of growing from it, they become a mean, angry, vicious person who only sees the worst and only hears the worst in every situation, and lashed out at others in a “let me hurt you before you hurt me” behavior mode. I don’t think she’s a bad person, but she needs to heal. And clearly she wasn’t present with her own daughters, which shows what’s going on in her life. He’s also not as good a guy because he’s too busy out being Mr. Playa-Playa and not maintaining a relationship with his son or his family. They don’t need to be married; they need to just stay club friends, because that’s what they really are. I liked his niece; she stood on her own and wasn’t gonna let anybody play him. However, his sister needs to get a man of her own, because she seems to have placed him in the man-of-her-life position, and some of her commentary was toxic. My good sis with the dreadlocks was sitting there the whole time like “What did I get myself into 😂”. I hope his son also gets the therapy and healing he needs for what are clearly abandonment issues because he otherwise seems like a good guy.

[@karmen9514]

This is me now. I'm not even 30 yet and started therapy because i dont like the way i can lasg out at people. She's doing what I do, and take everything personally. Noone can help change her but her.

[@itskerubo]

The sis with the dreadlocks couldn’t believe all the drama🤣🤣🤣

[@mphatsokalembera193]

Wholesome comment🤗

[@misslady5029]

Great summation!!! What most people don't realize is that women are hurt all the time, and if a man is only hurt once, he's scared for life. This relationship started out with decent. Let's be for real. A lot of people, especially women, suffer from low self-worth. A lot of men want a 'mother figure' that they can have a physical relationship. If you're a woman who is used to being 'the man' in the relationship, you ACT like her! That's why her children voiced their concerns, and she became offended. This is a long-term problem. Unless she wants to fix this in her life, this is what she will continue to be for the rest of her life! Her daughters will be resentful of her and exclude her from their lives! This was HER wake-up call! Hopefully, she gets it ........

[@bladeowens]

NO ONE MENTIONED THERAPY!!! forget “dating”! Zee is extremely broken and needs intense therapy!

[@mariamihaleva3430]

What I took from my observation is the lack of handling criticism= defensiveness. Not listening effectively. Not prioritising the children.

[@TNMidsector]

Man please go on cause idk how they gona be happy, the lady was friends with your ex and she’s super immature. She can’t get along with no one. This was over before it started 🤷🏽‍♀️He was wrong for dating her in the beginning

[@ardraenglish9513]

If a grown woman has to tell a person that she is grown, you are definitely immature.

[@Dream-wu4bn]

They have some amazing kids❤️

[@shelbyjade5426]

Not the shot of the abandoned sandals! 😂 I laughed. I cried. Whoo this was a lot. I hope yall can heal.

[@laquitacamon5059]

😂😂

[@jas8471]

He couldn't have been that good to your friend if he left her for you. There are a million other women he could have pursued, but he chose to hurt his ex by getting with her best friend.

[@brendawelch6477]

Father and son I'm glad both shared tears 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@MizzTicarah]

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[@MizzTicarah]

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[@temekarollins6007]

The hoarseness in the daughter's voice, comes from years of pain, and because her mom said, she's argumentative, there's no doubt, the kids have seen physical violence, and most definitely at the hands of their mom towards her ex-husband. The oldest needs counseling, because she's traumatized.

[@danyellewhitehead7625]

She is poor oldest daughter!

[@danyellewhitehead7625]

Wow that lady like no other ! I hope she watches this!

[@Genuinelycuri0us]

The bride is talking about how she needs to bond with her kids more, but I think the real problem is that she has issues that were probably in her last marriage that she hasn’t resolved and is dragging the same toxic behavior in this new one. Her communication is atrocious.

[@gloriacook7795]

Self-love is the key .

[@courageouscat6088]

It was the disagreement at the grill for me. She needs time to herself and he can still flip the script because he’s not going to be belittled and disrespected. This is a explosion waiting to happen. The icing on the cake is that the families are seeing what they are not seeing.

[@c.bernardwebb4658]

In any relationship you must actively listen and understand.

[@MsQueenpoppen]

I feel him I hate when I'm in the kitchen cooking and I'm in my zone and my husband coming in checking on stuff flipping stuff trying to season stuff i get frustrated n stop cooking and tell him to finish smh

[@enuphsayd9746]

Same. That is so annoying.

[@mygodisawesome6121]

Is she really trying to tell him how to grill 😂 controlling

[@mactrek2]

Yeah, she should have just let it go.

[@lindsaywells5225]

But the DID have niblets…..the camera man zoomed in on it. 😂

[@mygodisawesome6121]

@@lindsaywells5225 🤣😂😂😂😂

[@LabRoosky]

@@lindsaywells5225🤣🤣🤣I cracked up when I saw the niblets

[@LawFirmMentor]

She needs to learn restraint, but a man also has to learn how to hear his woman. Clearly, she was right - but he was so insistent on being right and pushing back at her that he screwed up the food.

[@jessiej3292]

So nobody felt the need to bring up that this ticking time bomb is with the man her friend was with? She wants to lead the relationship. She acted crazy at dinner. She obviously doesn't even mother her daughters. You don't stop being a parent no matter the agem

[@jessiej3292]

*age

[@avgholson8143]

Like their relationship the fish is breaking apart 😂😂😂

[@karamelkisses1524]

That woman needs to heal…she is broken & very much stuck in her ways

[@stellaris915]

This was a great episode. I'm really starting to like this show. Lazaundra is childish and ignorant. Everytime Julian (jr.) opened his mouth she became combative but the boy was raised very well and tried to show her respect (calling her Mam). It seemed as though they reversed roles and the children were more mature than the couple. Lazaundra showed her true colours and Julian started to see what he would be in for. He doesn't want her. The baby (Nia) shouldn't have to defend her mum but when the mum behaves like a fool. Children feel the need to protect them. Whoever raised Julian (jr.) did a fantastic job. You can see good home training from miles away, my heart goes out to him. I couldnt understand why he Dad never checked Lazaundra. That's his son and will always be his son.

[@beamedastin9699]

The daughter yelling🙄🤣

[@pinkpesosvids2764]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 high pitch

[@brittneymarshall2278]

Annoyed the hell out of me and was disrespectful

[@fromama2011]

It's wild how many people think it's ok to attack one person at the same time. That will end badly every single time.

[@indiaalmighty]

“We met while he was dating my friend” 🤔..this started off crazy. Two fights done broke out, this couple needs to BREAK UP.

[@shawna-kaycameron5088]

This woman isn’t ready for a marriage she stuck in her old ways and you can’t teach a old dog new tricks

[@Shalayah2010]

That’s exactly what I see. I wonder what he sees in her to be attracted

[@jayc677]

They made the best decisions because they both need to grow up

[@ChelseaChronicles]

The way we popped off at dinner. Not “Z” girl you are out of there! Look at how you are treating your own daughters.. I feel sooo sorry for them. My mom died when I was 25 and she loved us sooooo much. Like I never experienced a percentage of the trauma these girls go through daily smh. Wow just wow! Thank you mom❤️❤️

[@lesley5380]

Woo that dinner was effed up 😳

[@angeniquehopkins5246]

The son made the most sense to me! The fact tht he went off at the end shows his maturity,💯 cuz i was goin off in my living room waaaay before he did!🤣

[@brina3982]

Her deflection is so real every time her daughters speak or express themselves! 😡😡😡

[@MrsIkonwa]

This is so painful to watch. When his sister broke down crying…oh boy

[@amberfernandes2171]

Now she is the TRUE definition of an “ANGRY BLACK WOMAN” smh such an embarrassment! She needs ALL the help she can get with finding self peace and self love!

[@johnnycooper1100]

She would make the therapist…want to quit their job. 😂😂😂😂

[@wordym.3435]

She’s used to being the man in the relationship. Lemme go pray my defensiveness away.

[@nataliemesbah1639]

I do believe that family members coming back together is important, but how they “fight” is equally important. The purpose is to vent and voice frustrations but there is a healthy way. Families don’t need to tear each other apart to vent. Sometimes what is shredded over and over can’t be put back together with “I’m sorry, but…”

[@chartwhispers]

she is so abrasive 😢

[@tommyrivera6565]

It was sad but w a good ending. They didn’t go n push into marriage because they realized they need to work on things individually. This was better than the last couple I saw on this show.

[@laurenpenn3634]

HIS SON JR LOOKS JUST LIKE SISQO

[@yemedemure414]

Acts like him too 😂😅

[@Necic2024]

This is the most toxic thing I’ve seen in my life. It actually made me cry

[@brina3982]

Her daughters are gorgeous 😍😍😍 and she is very selllfissssh🤦🏽‍♀️

[@thailea5958]

Lazaundra the issue

[@vl1180]

She can’t take criticism or accountability or acknowledge others perspectives. She feels attacked

[@MamaTach925]

A blended family is all about the kids. They did it all wrong

[@roxiestarr3430]

Throw the whole episode away! This was embarrassing and difficult to watch.

[@omuhenje]

She isn't ready for marriage, based on how she treats him...how you just going to tell everyone they're going to have fish nuggets when you're man is trying to make a decent meal for everyone. Just feels like she carried her toxicity from her previous marriage into this r/shp...

[@Poeticfloetic]

*Niblets

[@JozelleRenia]

The camera man was so shady 😂🤣 not the 3 angles of the crumbled fish 🤣

[@mj11222]

😂😂😂😂

[@demeshiahyman3100]

That was INTENSE! The ending was good.

[@ivyunnanelson]

So you dating your friends ex and soon as he found out you were getting a divorce he dived in ? Ma'am he been watching you since he met your friend smh

[@marquitayoung9561]

I feel so bad for both the daughters. They are carrying so much trauma in their body language. I pray they have been able to get therapy and heal.

[@jessicatobias9371]

I feel the oldest daughter pain. I'm so tired of the arguing.

[@MYRAJAY527]

Lazaundra is so selfish. I have seen moms who dont consider their children's feelings just like her. All she cared about is her happiness. Nobody else's.

[@Fourlittlefurpeople]

She has to always make it about her, "I'm tired too", smh! Controlling much.

[@toyiadecorcreations]

This is sad for the first time in her kids life they felt "safe" to tell her how they really feel about her . Your daughters told you to stop and that tou are the problem, rhey dont even want your advice. She went left instead of taking it in and reflecting on herself she deflecting the problem is her. But we all knew this when she slept with jer ex friend man 😮. And his son his grown show that man some respect and be quiet when he talking , he was quite for you . She don't listen she needs to learn to stop talking

[@massenib7549]

These two won’t last …

[@t.c.5456]

Lol. Did you watch the end.

[@Renrens-LionessofJudah]

The best friend better watch out because when things start going downhill, she is going to hook up with her man.

[@SonjaElizabethTeal]

Yup.

[@mirabella2154]

God, what a mess is this? 🤦

[@fjones5890]

This family started on OWN and ended on VH1 😂😅

[@PositivitySpeaks101]

Just watching is draining!! They trying to force something that’s not there anymore

[@ladyrae870]

LASGANA IS TRIGGERING ME !!!!! SHE NEEDS THERAPY her daughters told her that they wanted more time with her and to know her and she said “I want you to be happy for me” She’s so sensitive and immature. I hateeeee being around people like this Hopefully she does better for the family

[@JoiaInATL]

When he was dating my friend????

[@LB-mb8vb]

Just messy..

[@keylacmckemp1309]

And she was married.

[@julietoneill1268]

This is so good! How it exposed pains that were hidden. Thank you y'all 👌👏

[@gi-gijay4114]

Her girls are so pretty!!

[@berenic90]

Oh noooo her attitude came out when eating on the table. SHE'S THE PROBLEM, AND THEY SHOULD NOT GET MARRIED

[@kekewhitsey5888]

I think Julian is genuinely a good person…right now Lazaundra is very toxic and needs to work on her issues before trying to be a wife or in a relationship. Otherwise she would drag him down. I don’t think this relationship started on the right tip….hence he was her friend’s man. I think Julian is realizing this engagement was a mistake and he needs to run FAST.

[@nesawest7506]

I think they both are very similar and act the same , the woman was only more agrumentative but they both are cheaters and bad parents ...thats y they got along so well

[@dememurphy7859]

2 narcissist getting together is a toxic disaster! It's all about them and how they feel they don't really care about their kids

[@Shalayah2010]

The father/son sit down had me tears. It’s obvious the dad has neglected his son and has made his relationships priority over being a father. I hope he eventually mends their relationship.

[@NJ-ll6ju]

Law’d they don’t need to get married! Lazaundra is angry and she don’t wanna hear what noone has to say she wanna jump down everyone throat, She said she wanted everyone to talk about everything, Lazaundra that’s what they were trying to do but you wanna be all combative and angry and not listen! She likes to get things all fired up because she don’t listen or let others talk! Bitter bitter woman! Heal yourself from your ex marriage go to counseling you definitely have anger issues, controlling and when you can’t you get angry! Glad they are not getting married!