P-51 Mustangs Clash with Me-262 Fighters in an Epic High Altitude Dogfight IL2 Sturmovik Flight Sim

American P-51 Mustangs and German Me-262 fighters clash for an epic dogfight high over Europe late in World War II. This was made using the IL-2 Sturmovik historic flight sim. Hope you enjoy! Please like, comment, and subscribe.
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[@windward563]

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[@windward563]

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[@gillesguillaumin6603]

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[@lineboss58]

However in reality he would never be able to creep up on an me262 because of its superior speed, most kills by p51 was through deflection firing and not from behind. Allied veteran airmen say most of the time in close proximity that the me262 was just a blur going past you.

[@4vepvik781]

Or an ME262 with an unserviceable engine going out mid-flight which was a likely scenario given the Jumo's temperamental infancy.

[@holmanthehorror6127]

I think you could creep up on a ME 263 provided it was in a climb

[@operator6471]

or coming into land.

[@dukecraig2402]

You have no clue what the actual top speed of the ME 262 was, what Wikipedia lists is Willie Messerschmitt's CLAIMED top speed when in reality not a single one that ever flew even came close to 560 MPH. Look up the NACA reports from testing them after the war and you're gonna be highly disappointed. Another thing you need to understand when doing your armchair dogfighting is the US fighter's are never listed at their actual top speed, only their top speed under Military Power, at War Emergency Power they were faster, then if you slingshot out of a 30° WEP dive yes they would come up behind ME 262's fleeing in level flight and catch them, there's more than one documented accounts of it happening. Video games are one thing, what really happened in the air war over Europe is another.

[@davepeesthepool]

It's not always about the more powerful thrust, particularly with an early jet like the 262. The p51 had an exceptional top speed for a single prop fighter, and it was able to gain speed fast and maintain that speed better than most ww2 fighters thanks to the laminar flow wing design that reduced drag. You get a p51d with a decent altitude advantage and a 262 pilot not watching their six and that p51 can dive right in behind that 262 at up to 500mph. The p51 wouldn't be able to follow the 262 very far in a climb, but could definitely cash in some altitude to slide up behind one that's flying level.

[@victord5790]

dogfight is not the thing of Me-262, just dive ,shoot and climb

[@karaDee2363]

It was entertaining watching the P-51 catch up to the 100 mph faster me-262 ..lol

[@Tron-Jockey]

Very realistic. The Me-262s weren't always flying at top speed especially when they weren't aware of any enemies in the area. The Me-262 was a massive fuel hog at top speed which gave it very limited range. They had very little time to engage the enemy and still get back to base. The P-51 pilots quickly learned of the Me-262s limitations and used it to their advantage. The early Juno turbojet engines were EXTREMELY sluggish. They could get the Me262 up to very high speed but couldn't always do it fast enough to avoid being pounced upon by diving P-51s. Many of the victories against the Me-262s came from surprise attacks, usually when they were returning to base and especially when lining up to land. Allied pilots would often loiter over the Me-262s home base waiting for them. Allied pilots knew the Me262's would be low on fuel and lacked the throttle response they would need to pull away from a diving P-51.

[@alisonhamerm.i.q.a2323]

they used to dve on them as dive speed was equal to level flight in the me262

[@silience4095]

@@Tron-Jockey Even with fast throttle response, these early jets actually had less thrust than propellers (at low speed), however, propellers lose thrust with speed while jets don't, which means that they eventually do have more thrust, but only at high speeds. This means that the top speed of these jets might be much greater, but the acceleration (specially at low speed) suffers.

[@davegeisler7802]

Try 125 mph faster

[@kennygottlieb3628]

Erich Hartmann shot down multiple p 51’s in less than one day, he claimed at least 11 victories, maybe 17 in 1day.. thats what a skilled pilot could wrench out of this much faster plane.. Alolf”Dolpho”Galland shot down 6 from a me 262 and he was generalleutnant with over 100kills in Battle of France and Britain.he Said it flew like if angels where pushing.. Kurt Welter shot down 20+ and was the leading j’et ace in Germany, after him i Think Heinrich Bär oberstleutnant and a legend and ace to.. they also saw right trough the bomber formations with their cannons firing burst after burst.. but they came to late, if they have been in Numbers like the me bf 109 in 1940 the Battle of Britain would have possibly haved another outcom and so on…

[@markgeorge9725]

262's in a turning fight with Mustangs...not likely..but entertaining

[@wanyelewis9667]

It happened all the time.

[@timtaylor2427]

oh and not mentioned, that 262-pilots on the parachute were the favourite victims of anglosaxons fighters.......you won´t believe? ask General Galland

[@jandoernte8970]

The only way the p-51s had a chance was pilot stupidity (as in a turning battle) or if the pilot was landing.

[@wanyelewis9667]

@@jandoernte8970 the 262's were not as capable as you imagine. Once the Allied fighter pilots figured out how to use their strengths against the jet's weaknesses, they were very often the victors. And not because the Luftwaffe pilots were "stupid".

[@timtaylor2427]

@@wanyelewis9667 "And not because the Luftwaffe pilots were "stupid"." But many of them were BOYS with less flying experience, outnumbered by allied planes...what heroes the allies are !!!!

[@fredsalfa]

I don’t think that would have occurred in real life. Shooting down 2 x262s then avoiding being shot down by a third (Post edit. Just found out this is a true story)

[@coleanderson8035]

The 30mm cannons on the 262 are very tricky to aim in real life. They had poor muzzle velocity and really only worked up to 400m But the 2 x 262s can be explained by one: the 262 lost speed more than a p51 in a turn and the me 262 was flown by many inexperienced pilots simce the luftwaffe had nobody left really.

[@MadTom56]

Yes it did: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_L._Drew

[@fredsalfa]

@@MadTom56 Ok I thought it was a fictional story. They should have said it was real in the video

[@MadTom56]

@@fredsalfa The video itself IS fictional. I've played the same or similar scenario dozens of times on the old "Chuck Yeager's Air Combat" simulator. But Lieutenant Ben Drew did shoot down two Me-262s on one mission,

[@saralee9091]

with a speed disadvantage of 150 MPH this is all wishful thinking

[@coleanderson8035]

That 150mph advantage took a long time to gain, time a 262 doesn't have after a turn so yes this is in the realm of possibility

[@brianswanson9881]

The Me 262 were 100 mph faster than the Mustangs. There is no way that the Mustang can catch up to one and destroy it.

[@coleanderson8035]

262s lost more speed than the p51 and accelerated a lot slower than the p51. What you are implying is that the red tails never killed 262s even though they did

[@coleanderson8035]

@@fabolousnature3873 no. The me 262 lost a lot of speed when they maneuvered they killed fully functional 262s the pilots were incompetent. Stop making excuses

[@anthonysmith3851]

Great and enjoyable graphics, but for the premise to be accurate, the Me-262's were not there to combat the P-51's according to the video, they were sent up to shoot down the B-17's which the P-51's were escorting. While they may have clashed, the Me-262's objective were the bombers.

[@kek207]

Wtf is the 262 doing here? He's way too slow. Why didn't he dive properly. He literally stalled on front of the P51

[@wanyelewis9667]

The ME 262 wasn't great in the dive or turn, and their acceleration was poor compared to the really good piston engined fighters. Their superior top speed took time to reach while the jet engines spooled up. Once the allied pilots understood what they were fighting, they did much better. Bottom line: the 262, while a great advancement, was never meant to dogfight.

[@wanyelewis9667]

262's weren't made to dive. They weren't designed to dogfight, especially against the best piston fighters like the '51. They were designed to fly in a relatively straight line at high speed & unleash their heavy (albeit slow-firing & low m.v.) cannons at bomber formations.

[@kek207]

@@wanyelewis9667 so why didnt he have high speed then. Thats like the first Jet lesson: keep your speed up

[@garyseven2798]

Never would a Me-262 pilot be stupid enough to get into a TURNING dogfight with P-51s. NEVER ! Like a Greyhound turning around to fight a pack of Hyena's .

[@nate61]

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[@garrisonnichols7372]

This is such BS. During the actual war P51 Mustangs couldn't do much to shoot down an Me 262 Jet. They had to resort to finding the air fields and bombing jets that hadn't taken off yet. The Messerschmitt was such a superior aircraft that the Allies really didn't have any other way to defeating it.

[@dustylover100]

And catch them when they were landing.

[@genius4483]

Fantasy of american pilots..because this were not the reality..!!!

[@matta4756]

Actually there were some 262s shot down by p51s during WWII

[@loneronta]

@@matta4756 Very few ones.

[@red88alert]

@@loneronta very few 262s in the war.

[@johnkelsiemcnair7787]

Hitler wanted to use 262s as bombers.🙄

[@matta4756]

@@johnkelsiemcnair7787 this is true, and i believe that delayed them from rolling out earlier

[@erebus8579]

unrealistic video! Even the most inexperienced ME 262 pilots knew their straight line speeds allowed them to escape the P51s. And also how a.ME 262 could shoot down a P51 with the "HIT AND RUN" method used in the Pacific by US planes to shoot down Japanese ZEROs! The ME 262 was only vulnerable during landing!

[@kennethcurtis1856]

Maybe you can show us you're real life experences flying these planes.

[@4vepvik781]

Or with a malfunctioning engine which was common.

[@Landschaftsmaler100]

Natürlich war die ME 262 besser und schneller als eine Mustang (deutsch Pferdchen oder Horse), deshalb nahmen sie Reißaus nur wenn eine ME in der Nähe war.

[@erebus8579]

@@Landschaftsmaler100 es stimmt!

[@sillywomps]

That p-51 whistle holy

[@ubb262s]

Interesting video, but 262's wouldn't go after fighters alone What's fascinating is the piston aircraft had an advantage, they could maneuver better than the 262 , and the 262 gulped incredible amounts of fuel , as well as issues with the engines, didn't have the modern alloys for turbines

[@johanbergman3166]

Believe in a different result when (3) Me 262 meets one single P-51? !

[@ottomeyer6928]

bunk.The mustang is a very effective fighter but it could only hit the 262 when landing or the off run.

[@dleljak100]

Great vid but i think the 262 should have gotten a better chance :/

[@andreaskoschorreck5676]

Not seen such a crap for a long time. A Mustang flies faster than a ME 262

[@thefellathathuntsvatniks]

The Me-262 was indeed faster than the Mustang but the pilots who flew the jets were inexperienced as hell that their jets slowed down when they tried horizontal maneuvers

[@jerrylast4461]

dogfights are not flown at max speed, learn a bit more about fighter tatics

[@sizzler2462]

Nah most me262s were flown by the best pilots Adolf Galland got together the best experts and called them so yea 262s were shot down by allied pilots but they were passing shots or on takeoff and landing when the jets were vulnerable

[@904_Florida]

@@sizzler2462 At the end of the war however, it was a mix of BF-109 pilots and even Junkers pilots.

[@sizzler2462]

@@904_Florida yes but the best flew the 262 former bomber pilots despite vast experience transferred very poorly to fighters read accounts by wartime German fighter pilots said stating so

[@Eyes-of-Horus]

The ME-262 only had a range of 650 miles while the P-51's range was 1300. This can make a difference when dealing with them.

[@erebus8579]

So what? And then ?

[@tedporciuncula3385]

could be but the 262 could fly like 150 miles faster and didnt they have a 30mm? only takes one of those to knock out a P51 vs numerous .50 cal.

[@danielstapler4315]

Why are the faster Me-262 moving at same speed as the slower P-51s ?

[@Tron-Jockey]

If the Me-262s pulled up or turned they would lose speed and become vulnerable. The Me-262s could also have been heading back to their base when they were usually very low on fuel (the range of the Me-262 was terribly limited, they were major fuel hogs). They could also have been lining up to land when they were extremely vulnerable. Allied pilots would often loiter around the Me-262s home base waiting to pounce on them. In this video the Me-262 pilots looked to be surprised by P-51s diving on them. The response of the early Jumo jet engines was extremely sluggish. They could go very fast but it took a while for them to get up to speed. They couldn't always pull away fast enough especially when surprised during landing. Many if not most of the P-51 victories over the Me-262 came when the Me-262's were most vulnerable, like landing. IMHO the Me-262 wasn't nearly as effective as the FW-190 due largely to its extremely limited range and sluggish and unreliable jet engines.

[@user-iv8oq5hk2q]

Stupid propaganda 😂

[@jlandon6028]

From what i've read over the years is that the 262's couldn't stay in the air long and the American Fighters took them out when they we're landing. They obviously had a speed advantage over the P 51's.

[@eb3yr]

Only a couple 262s were actually downed when trying to land, people just parroted the myth that that was the only way they were shot down. Someone on youtube did a breakdown of all the known destroyed 262s, and very few were landing kills.

[@63DW89A]

@J. Landon Pure myth that P51's could not handle the ME 262 at high speed and high altitude. On March 24, 1945, during an attack on Allied Bomber formations at 25,000 ft, EIGHT ME 262's were shot down by the 332nd and 31st Fighter Groups with no loss of bombers or fighters. The 332nd FG (Tuskegee Airman) shot down 3, while the 31st FG shot down 5 more. Max speed of a P51 in a dive exceeded 550 MPH (887+ KPH), meaning the P51 with dive speed could temporarily overtake an ME 262 at full throttle. The only hope an ME 262 had against a diving P51 was to see the P51 early enough to stay out of .50 caliber BMG(Browning Machine Gun) range, go full throttle, drop the nose a bit and RUN, trying to stay far enough ahead until the P51 dive speed bled off, allowing the ME 262 to pull away. The 50 caliber BMG on the P51 had much longer range than the 30mm cannons on the ME 262, so the P51 could get effective hits on the ME 262 at about 3 times the effective range of the 30 mm cannons. The ME 262 had to run and fly straight, no turns of any type, because the P51's much higher maneuverability, would allow the P51 to cut across the arc of an ME 262 turn, closing the gap to 50 BMG range and kill the jet.

[@рядовойпехотныйВаня]

Max speed. P - 51 - 704 km/h ME - 262 - 855 km/h

[@63DW89A]

Max speed of a P51 in a dive exceeded 550 MPH (887+ KPH), meaning the P51 with dive speed could temporarily overtake an ME 262 at full throttle. The only hope an ME 262 had against a diving P51 was to see the P51 early enough to stay out of .50 caliber BMG(Browning Machine Gun) range, go full throttle, drop the nose a bit and RUN, trying to stay far enough ahead until the P51 dive speed bled off, allowing the ME 262 to pull away. The 50 caliber BMG on the P51 had much longer range than the 30mm cannons on the ME 262, so the P51 could get effective hits on the ME 262 at about 3 times the effective range of the 30 mm cannons. The ME 262 had to run and fly straight, no turns of any type, because the P51's much higher maneuverability, would allow the P51 to cut across the arc of an ME 262 turn, closing the gap to 50 BMG range and kill the jet.

[@stephenjacks8196]

Always wondered why the me262 engines weren't targeted. It flys like brick with one engine out. The jumo jet engines were finicky, one 50 caliber round takes out the turbine.

[@burntsea8889]

it’s because the me 262s were just too fast to get a clear aim at, so the pilots just tried to shoot at it and hope that their rounds atleast did some significant damage as it got close

[@MsVinioliveira]

A 262 pilot who prefers to bail instead of shut the engine down and a p51 that pass over the enemy airfield instead of go arround it

[@kennethcurtis1856]

It's a game, cowboy.

[@txrick4879]

The p 51 was able to turn into a pass in to a 262 when it passed through but only if they saw it coming and knew it would have to pull up to climb

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[@31200Julien]

LOL is the German pilot quadriplegic ? He doesn't move at all. He stalls in front of the Mustang, waiting to be shot down. So stupid XD

[@kennethcurtis1856]

Well. You were watching:-))

[@bottcherimmobilien4864]

"A large Flight of Me262s"? In Reality a dozen germans frightend to death against 1200 terror bombers and 1400 fighter escorts completely destroying one city after the other, full of refugees, children and women. The Heros were those few german pilots fighting till the end every day totally outnumbered. Adolf Galland, Johannes Steinhoff, Erich Hartmann... were one of the first and one of the last. Me262 was ideal to fight against bombers. Those 4 huge 3cm canons could annihilate a B17 with one burst, but as well as the 12 R4M AA missiles too slow for agile fighters. Fighting against P51 made no sense in standard 1 or 2 circles. Engage and disengage with far superior speed was the key to success.

[@goojedooje660]

Look mate if Germany didn't surrender in 1945 they were going to drop the atom bomb on them this is still secret

[@lineboss58]

Not to real for so many reasons if you listen to how the allied veterans said how they had to fight the german jets.

[@oliverbraun4966]

That video is as much full of historical nonsense as this "Red tail" movie. P51 was no match in speed on horizontal flight and no experienced 262 pilot would go in this type of combat because that was not their role then. Beside that 262 was much stronger armed and the P51 would stand no chance heads on against four 3 cm MK108 guns. The only chance for a Mustang to shoot down a 262 was on start and landing - and thats what happened then when the airfield squadrons ( Platzschutzstaffeln ) were not able to hold them off.

[@edwardpetervanbrenkelen5054]

only kills by p-51 to 262 was by landing....

[@wanyelewis9667]

That is not "what happened". While it's true that many 262's fell to loitering Allied fighter pilots while they were on landing approach, that's not the way most of them were lost. The jets, while fast in a straight line, had many inherent limitations and shortcomings. Once the Mustang pilots understood those weaknesses, they began to take advantage of them, and play more into their own strengths. The supposed "advantages" that those early jets had over prop-driven fighters like the Mustang were WAY overdone.

[@oliverbraun4966]

@@wanyelewis9667 Appears you have not read my comment properly. The main role of the jets was to intercept bomber formations and that usually doesn´t require dogfights. So dogfights mostly happened when they returned to base, often short on fuel. The allied pilots knew that very well and often waited on their bases to intercept them there. There is no question they were stronger armed - 3 cm vs. cal 50 - and that there were way faster in high altitudes and in straight flight. Of course the reliability of the Jumo engines was not good, the number of pilots killed by accidents tells a lot here. I did not say they were invincible and of course a skilled piston engine pilot could shoot down one under the right circumstances.

[@wanyelewis9667]

@@oliverbraun4966 you attempted to paint a picture that the main way that 262's were defeated was when they were especially vulnerable, on takeoff & landing. Which is simply not accurate. The only way a Mustang was really vulnerable to a 262 was if they attempted to flat-out run away. When they faced them head-on & stayed within their strengths, the P-51 more than held their own. The notion that the P-51 was only able to defeat the jet when it was on final approach & low on fuel is demonstrably false.

[@oliverbraun4966]

@@wanyelewis9667 Sorry if we are of different opinion here, but I have studied the subject since my time as professional at the army 25 years ago and think all serious sources support my opinion. And the kill ratios between Mustang and Messerschmitt clearly speak their own language here as well. The most dangerous opponent for the "turbos" was btw the Tempest and not the Mustang.

[@aries-3536]

UM , Nar, will give this one away. You managed to shoot down more ME 262's in this engagement, than actually happend in reality. Well done. Actual reality bites the dust when you can use a computer to change it....

[@takirid]

Most 262s were shot down coming into land or getting airborne. I don't think they ever got into dogfights. If they did, this was very rare. They used the boom and zoom tactics because of the speeds the 262 had. No way they would have used the 262 in a turn fight with the piston-engine fighter. All of these Pilots who flew these machines were Experts.

[@puravida5683]

My German grandfather flew a Me-262 Schwalbe. He told me when he encountered Mustangs. His tactic was to out maneuver the Mustangs, by making them exhaust ammo. Then use his limited ammo 30mm cannons for 11 o'clock attacks.

[@dukecraig2402]

Well someone's a liar here, the ME 262 had a wider turning radius than any other fighter in the ETO and because of that their pilots were under orders to never dogfight with enemy fighter's, they were ordered to disengage from any type of dogfighting and dive away to put distance between them and any enemy fighter's. Got any other bullshit stories you wanna try and pass off as real?

[@BradBrassman]

@@dukecraig2402 When I was a kid in the mid 60's one of my neighbours had flown Hurricanes, Typhoons and Tempest V's throughout the war and he said that most allied kills on early jets was when they were taking off or landing.

[@nicomeier8098]

Totally unrealistic vid. No Me262 pilot would dogfight a Mustang like that. Zoom and boom is what they were about.

[@juergenwest]

This video shows the props gaining on the jet fighters, that doesn’t seem realistic at all. My understanding is that in reality most of the German fighter jets were lost while attempting to land, not in aerial combat.

[@richstwart2079]

The ME-262 was at least 100 mph faster than the Mustang, even though the P-51 was the pinnacle of piston engine design. The ME262 pilots were inexperienced because of the shortage of trained ones towards the end of the war. An experienced ME-262 pilot would smoke and piston engine plane

[@jhschmidMD4]

Not necessarily. The speed advantage gave them the option to do 'boom and zoom' attacks, but if they tried to engage in dogfights with the Mustangs they were at a disadvantage. Similar to what was the case with F6F pilots going against the Zero in the Pacific - Boom in attacking, and then Zoom out, but don't engage in a turning fight with a more nimble opponent. Also, the 262 was vulnerable during take-off and landings, while their engines were spun down. It was a common USAAF tactic to ambush the jets at these times. During the war, the ME-262's generally weren't bothering with the the American fighters anyway, and would actively try to avoid them. Their real target was almost always the Allied bombers.

[@tobysirus4996]

Yea, mustang will just catch up and shoot down a jet fighter flying 120 mph faster then itself. Get real.

[@ricardocorbie6803]

Scary proposition tail surfaces damaged That’s a close call , control surfaces damage, you would’ve had to change your underwear!!

[@pavelneuzil6457]

Is that supposed to be kind of silly propaganda? P51 winning over Me262?

[@txrick4879]

It actually did but it was not often .

[@pavelneuzil6457]

@@txrick4879 I do imagine that it is possible and even might happen but it was very rare. "Me262 brought a havoc among bombers" does not sound like allies had an upper hand. :-)

[@txrick4879]

@@pavelneuzil6457 Yes the new jet was a pain to our bombers but our pilots learned to work together and tighten the dog fight and were able to shoot down a few . The good thing was that Hitler did not like them so not many were made .

[@pavelneuzil6457]

@@txrick4879 Sure, the point is that showing how P-51s were massively shooting down Me-262s is pure propaganda separated from reality. Same nonsense as popular propaganda claiming in Korean war that for one lost F-86 Chinese (Russians) lost 7 - 10 MIG's 15.

[@txrick4879]

@@pavelneuzil6457 Yes a few were shot down but not a lot the P 51 could not stay up with them and like I said Hitler could have built more but he did not like them and thankfully this was late in the war .

[@Odibio.Skins.]

damn this is some fantasy type of shit. inferior plane takes out multiple opposing planes without issue.

[@neilraffan6756]

Looking at the markings of the p51 planes it looks like the red tail squadron who were all black pilots and is an historical fact lol

[@hussarregiment7045]

"The first time I saw a jet, I shot it down" Chuck Yeager

[@FeiHuWarhawk]

How are the slower Mustang catching up to the Jets?

[@snuffle2269]

Mustangs flew at 703 km/hr (440 mph) while the 262 cruised at 464 mph and would hit 515 mph without issue. Greater success by Mustang, Thunderbolt and Lightnings was when the 262 was landing or taking off. I couldn't loiter like Mustangs coming into Germany with tanks so they engaged and then retreated to refuel and got followed down to their bases.

[@63DW89A]

While the level flight speed of a P51 was about 440 mph @ 25,000 ft, the P51 could easily exceed 550 mph in a dive. So if a P51 were about 2,000 or 3,000 ft higher than the ME262, then the P51's dive speed could actually overtake the jet, and the P51's laminar flow wing bled the dive speed off slowly, allowing the P51 to maintain 500+ mph for as long as the plane could remain in a long shallow dive. The ME262's jet engines were very slow at throttle response, so if the jet slowed down, it was at the mercy of the P51's fast throttle response and acceleration. For an effective gun run on American bombers, the 500+ mph jet had to slow down against the bombers traveling at about 1/2 the jet speed, and at that point the ME262 was extremely vulnerable to P51's. Another advantage the P51 had was that the 50 caliber Browning Machine Guns carried had about 3 times the effective flat-shooting range of the 30mm cannons carried by the ME262, meaning the P51 could get effective hits on the ME262 at ranges that the 30mm cannon could not possibly hit the P51 from.

[@jorge8596]

@@63DW89A the 262 had a critical mach of 0.86 while mustang's was 0.75, so it was still faster in a dive

[@karaDee2363]

@@63DW89A only the most experienced and best luftwaffe fighter pilots flew the me-262, so the scenario that you're talking about would have never happened.

[@stevenmessina3077]

No mustang could get a bead on a 262 unless the 262 pilot flew into the shot( lead) which they did ooops (deflection) or was slowing to land. a 262 could keep a 100 mph advantage in most configurations and could just climb away where the P51 couldn't breath. The P47 however, could dive away from a 262 and once regaining altitude surprise the jet jocks - fat boys win sometimes and the 47 could absorb lead. The mustang gets a pinprick leak in coolant and out of service.

[@ege5804]

That lead was a 30mm MK108 minengeschos. Not one but 4 of them. A single one which was mounted in the nose of Messerschmitt 109s took one hit to decimate a fighter. I know there were cases where Thunderbolts took massive punishment from Focke Wulfs and kept flying but it has absolutely zero chance against that cannon. It's just way too powerful for a fighter to handle mostly because they were intended to shoot down bombers.

[@adamjpotatos8271]

Watch out for cockpit windows they might hit your wing 😂

[@hanssitte438]

Good show but highly unlikely as a P51 could NEVER catch an ME262 much less take down two. The most successful fighter against the ME262 were the Hawker Hurricanes. Most ME262 planes were lost at take off or lading when their speed and manuvarabilty was extremely poor. Although these videos are fun to watch, my father was a WWII pilot who flew Henkel and Stuka in WWII so I would appreciate a little more true historical content.

[@windward563]

I'm wondering if the ME262 was OVERENGINEERED or UNDERENGINEERED.

[@Skaska]

Its the KI that doesnt do anything against being shot down :)

[@theshadow7201]

It was the best the germans could produce with their lacking resources.

[@WolleWip]

The engine of a 262 had a life span of five hours, before it was burned out. Mustangs fly to this day.

[@63DW89A]

+WindWard The ME262 was a 1st generation jet with a lot of developmental issues that took until well after WW2 for the Brit's, Russians and Americans to work out the jet bugs. However, for its time, the ME 262 was arguably the best jet design. The problems the ME262 had going up against the P51B/C/D would have been the same an American P80 or British Meteor would have had going up against an FW190D or ME109K4: a 1st generation jet with all its bugs going up against piston engine fighters at peak, mature development. Under those conditions of being in early development stage, none of the early jets could really be effective against mature-technology piston engine fighters. The best a jet could hope for is to stay roughly on an even playing field. The ME262 more or less managed to do that against the P51, although the P51 likely killed a few more ME262's than ME 262's killed P51's. P51's were credited with 121 kills of ME262's between NOV, 1944 and MAY, 1945, and about 70% of the kills were during attacks on bomber formations at 25,000 ft or higher altitude. So it is a myth that the P51 could only kill the ME262 during take off and landing. In addition to the 121 Kills of ME262's by P51's, another 25 were killed by P47's, and Spitfires / Typhoons were credited with 22 kills of ME262's. The P51 killed the most ME262's because the jet was ordered to destroy bombers, while the P51's were ordered to both protect the bombers, and to klll the Luftwaffe, so the collision between the P51 and ME262 was inevitable, a "perfect storm" so to speak.

[@BesoffenerIslamist]

@@WolleWip *5 nano seconds 🤡

[@aytoad]

5:18 “aint-aircraft” lol

[@georgehunter2813]

In space no one can hear you scream. P-51 doesn't whistle when your inside it. All you hear is the roaring din of the Merlin's raw exhaust. Long escort missions were a tough boar to ride.

[@catlady8324]

Fake news.

[@salvadorvillegas3569]

ALL OF THIS COMBATS ARE TOTALLY FALSE!!!

[@pietrach]

I don't understand what kind od a "dogfight" could be possible between these two different types od planes. On high attitude Me262 flies some 170 kmph (i.e. 25%) faster than p51... Very poor simulator.

[@jorge8596]

If flown by a competent pilot the 262 is almost untouchable, but the AI likes to get into unwinnable scenarios because they fly it like a 109

[@victorburgo4777]

It os a Nice vídeo but the Messerschmitt 262 had much more speed and it turns vulnerebul just on taking of situations

[@peraspera0001]

This was filmed in dreamland?

[@FightCain]

It’s so rare to see mustangs that are green.

[@Santaanacanyon]

I broke out in a cold sweat watching this.

[@TackyBe]

Guys i here to say that Tj not upload untill next week becouse he be out town visiting he's grandma for thanksgiving

[@timothybusing25]

You put a white guy in as the pilot of a Red Tail Mustang. Boneheads! You should have named the pilot and squadron.

[@kennyhildebrand3299]

The Germans must have been AI

[@juke699]

IF the Germans had developed the ME 262 around 1940 or 1941 like they could have they would have cleared the skies of Allied planes...........

[@bubiruski8067]

It should be noted that by statistic the US lost more than 2000 P51s in aerial combat (this against a few hundred German fighters). All in all the US lost 18000 airplanes in combat (accidents in training and ferry not counted). The sheer numbers only helped the US to gain air superiority !

[@davegeisler7802]

The P47 M could deal with the ME262 in a boom and zoom maybe on a lucky pass in a power dive. P51 Mustang was better with dealing with the Swallow on landings and takeoffs when power wasn’t spoiled up to full power , otherwise forget it !!

[@klaus-peterborn1370]

Ok, 200 to 230 Me 262 are used in combat and 600 of them are only shoot down from P51. The other 400 fron c36s , yes? How many of these Jets had double wings? Laughing!

[@edwardpetervanbrenkelen5054]

bullshit video...at 1944 the p-51 was blank alu...saves 200 kg in paint...the ME262 was 150 kmh faster...

[@andreasleonardo6793]

Too nice 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼video about dogfight between p 51 mustang and Me 626

[@richardhertz1989]

This is a stupid premise .A 262 wouldn't get into dogfights because it's mission and design were to shoot down bombers . They didn't use the throttle and kept it at 3/4. They would gain altitude and slice through formations at high speed come back at altitude and slice through again . These planes and the pilots were to valuable to use as dogfight fodder . Your like kids with no knowledge of history .

[@thomasroth4695]

Idk anout the 2nd kill. 262 netter rate of climb esp high and speed adv. ran it down in seconds?

[@oblique286]

Well done!

[@perfectionbox]

"Such a beautiful plane... I actually felt bad shooting at it."

[@mrj6642]

Inaccurate. The Me262 would NOT have missed at 8:00, the Mustang would've been TOAST.

[@garyrunnalls7714]

Any p-51 pilot who flew like this was quickly shot down or kicked out of the air force. Ridiculous, no wing man not enough fuel or brains.

[@georgegordon6630]

they came up behind the ME-262's when they were descending to land, ask Chuck Yeager.. (RIP)

[@nooriginalusername8052]

While yes the me262 was faster than a mustang that's the problem most of the time the jets would go past the p 51's cuz their faster than them plus the durability of the jets were garbage

[@arabghazi3611]

here the science has been ignored. it is seem to be the p-51 had the the same velocity of the greatest and powerfull german airplane Me262 in the warld.

[@aestradarespeto]

Really were german aces who pilotes Me-262 ones? It seems they were noobs acting like sitting ducks.

[@adamanthony919]

So even tho german pilot were generally speaking much better than allies and had much better planes they were shot down like it was the easiest thing to do?

[@elcajondavid1]

I have to call this BS, and not because I am wanting Germany to win, but tech out weighs this scenario.

[@d.neilmccullough6779]

So a single engineer propeller driven engine,can keep up to a twin engine jet? Christ come up for air, what a joke.

[@Uriel77200]

I would like to hear some commentary...maybe I missed it. How did the 262 handle? What were the pilots thoughts? Thw armament seems good vs a bomber but overkill for air superiority. I would have 2 30 mils and more smaller caliber myself. How is the pitch, roll, thrust, climb, etc... always thought this plane if used right and had good pilots could have been a game changer if mass produced just a year earlier.ps: my Dad earned his wings at the end of ww2 (age 17 lied about his age) and flew the mustang in Korea.

[@donaldmaxie9742]

The 262 pilots had to be careful with the throttle or they would burn up the engines. Nobody on either side had the metallurgy to keep the type of engines they had from failure due to the heat firewalling the throttle generated.

[@arabghazi3611]

If you had would show to us in that film the true about Me- 262, then we would follow you and beleve your issu

[@nickb8618]

Guys flying the 262 suck. You don’t turn with the stang you out climb it

[@heltonja]

Must have had the only P51 in the war that was able to overtake take a ME 262 in level flight.

[@noahgreaves2705]

Nice vid man the me262 is really close to the p51 I like it really good fighters

[@MrMDG1964]

It was a cool video but the Krauts would never waste that much anti-air ammo on a lone fighter.

[@paulorobertoaguiar539]

Até parece que o Mustang era pare para este avião turbinado dos alemães , era um avião muito rápido vc não vinha como não deichar ele da s suas traseiras ,da qual era uma presa certa pra abate . Seus canhões eram potentes duas rajadas e ponto final para os adversários .

[@davidtong2776]

The 262 is about 100 mph faster than the 51, but they didn't always fly flat out. Still a 262 should be able to out run and out dive a 51, even if he is surprised by the 51. Still there are recorded 51 victories over the 262. I understand the 51s would orbit looking any 262 trying to land or take off.

[@drunkslav8802]

Dumb how a prop plane can catch a jet

[@zpatrickz81]

I don't think so...maybe on landing or takeoff, but not topside.

[@markgodfrey1847]

No way. A group of 262s would corral and shoot down a flock of p51s.

[@lvilchez2008]

Un Mustang no hubiera tenido ninguna oportunidad frente a un Me-262. Saludos.

[@REI02021809]

Could you do a video when the red Tails clashed with the me262s?

[@NATES84]

I just do not think the P-51 could stay anywhere near the ME in a tail chase.Thats a hit and run plane not a dogfighter unless you out of fuel in the pattern.I did enjoy it a lot.

[@TJ3]

This is accurate. In hindsight I probably need to craft the next one a little more like that.

[@jusjetz]

1:40 4:25 4:49

[@martinscharmacher18]

PROPELLER AGAINST JET - HAHA, FUNNY FICTION.

[@Jossejagguar]

Next video: P-51 mustang vs sukoi 35. P-51 wins.

[@Louis-dl3js]

Those german soldiers on the groung look stiff as hell...lol

[@carolinebate8093]

My best amount of kills is 304 me 262s dead

[@janmueller7477]

Absoluteley nonsense not bases on facts. Hollywood