Pac 12 Taking Over the Big 12

[@randomnerd2332]

It's nice to see the former Pac-12 schools starting to get the respect they deserved. With Oregon's success in the B1G & most likely at least one of Colorado or ASU playing in the the Big 12 CCG those Pac schools are showing the rest of college football how truly competitive it was as a conference. Sad to took the the death of a power conference for people to realize just how difficult it was in the Pac-12.

[@heartbreak25]

USC, Washington, and Utah are all bottom of the league. Neither USC or Washington can handle the size and toughness of B1G teams. They were 3 out of the top 4 teams in the PAC-12.

[@fringeelements]

No, go to Sagarin, Massey, or any other predictive power rating, and make a list of the former Pac-12 teams, and compare them to various other conferences, including the Big 12 minus Utah, Colorado, Arizona, ASU. The current Big 12 is tougher on-mean and on-median than the Pac 12 ever was.

[@nathanmaughan2974]

New Colorado not quite the same as the old Colorado

[@craiganderson8569]

@@fringeelements Dude. The Pac 12 at it's weakest was far better than this new Big 12. It's not even close.

[@randomnerd2332]

​@heartbreak25 tbf Washington went in with a completely different team than last year & USC did struggle last season in the Pac with Caleb so it's not surprising they are doing worse with Caleb gone. Utah there is no defense for as they are just a mess lol.

[@ralphmarrujo1491]

one of the best thing about collage football is that teams enter the season often much different then they end it. ASU looked like they were not talented enough scratched three wins. than Levitt gets better every week the defense improves now they are a top 25 team and still improving. CU looked lost, confused and totally with out game plan for the first 4 games, suddenly they worked in a run game and rebuild the defense on the fly, now they look like the team you don't want to face in a play off. I hope the both make the champion ship game.

[@roytate3889]

Dillingham bugged Todd Graham for a job while at ASU. He is on record from Memphis to Oregon that ASU is his "Dream Job". It's true.

[@RexKwon]

We Buff alum never considered ourselves a Pac-10/12 team. Returning to the Big 12 was coming home. We were part of the Big 8, then Big 12, and now back home in the Big 12

[@robert5755]

yes now can go to all the hick towns istead of la, bay area, seattle etc, enjoy

[@craiganderson8569]

Imagine how good WSU and OSU would have been if they did not get decimated by the portal. WSU would have Cam Ward. OSU would have had their coach and all the players they lost. The Pac 12 falling apart is one of the worst things to ever happen to college football.

[@George-Kliavkoff4Big12]

I'm very happy we have Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado. We have a really good conference. I wish we would bring invite Oregon St and Washington St. Washington St is also ranked. That would have been another ranked school in the Big12. Lets go get them, UConn for basketball, and Tulane. I mean, who wants to play Tulane right now. We have a really good conference. Plus, watch out for Houston in the near future. Kansas finally got off the blocks. Then, just wait when Utah and Oklahoma St fix whatever they need fixing.

[@savannahfan]

@@George-Kliavkoff4Big12 we might now given the new TNT deal and west coast/mountain time zone game slots being sought after

[@craiganderson8569]

OSU would have kept their coach and all their players if they were invited to the B12. They would have been a top 15 team this year.

[@gbuddy]

Washington State lost to New Mexico.

[@craiganderson8569]

@ You are missing the point. If the P12 stays together, Wazzu still has Can Ward. OSU doesn’t lose its coach and doesn’t get decimated in the portal. Both of those schools are top 20 if the conference stays together

[@George-Kliavkoff4Big12]

@gbuddy I know, but Notre Dame lost NIU. Should we chalk that up to a mulligan? I saw WASU vs Texas Tech. That game was entertaining. Definitely worth the price of admission in this era of money grabs. I mean, 65 million streamers watched the sh!t show that was Logan vs Tyson. Plus, if WASU was in the basketball powerhouse of the Big 12 think about all those Gonzaga recruits lining up to play for the cougers. Something else about the Big 12... We love us some baseball. Ehm, looking at you, Oregon St.

[@RossJacobs-n1r]

I'm a Sundevil through and through - I remember the old WAC before we went to the PAC. I miss the PAC but this conference will be fun! I have had more fun with my season tickets this year than in ages. Nobody is going to dominate it - every year we will be wide open for a winner. Let's enjoy parity (with the hope that the U of A is bad every year). I think the only downside to the conference is the 16 teams and unbalanced schedules which can skew results but it's a small problem.

[@shortbuscomedy]

Dilly will not leave ASU and already said he’s not in contract extensions he’s more concerned about his assistants getting what they deserve

[@LavishPatchKid]

I don't know why the Big 12 hasn't gone after Boise St. lol They're a perfect fit.

[@austinharris5124]

Go Devils! I hope Kenny become our next Kush

[@ckundred]

As a Colorado fan I’m proud they, once again, have the Big 12 moniker on their uniforms…I view us as Big 12…period

[@retireorbust]

Hopefully you got out of the PAC before Colorado became irredeamably woke. Go woke, go broke.

[@marcosmith2501]

Big 8

[@aroro13]

Big 12 trash. Big 8 is name awful conference

[@RoyalPain83]

Just goes to show how strong the PAC actually was, and the undeserved hate and shit talking all these years.

[@roytate3889]

If you look at transfers in from the portal for CU and ASU its huge. Gelling now makes all the sense in the world. BYU is not. ASU even had to develope a red-shirt freshman never starting before 2024. Compare that with Big 12 programs and BYU that had much more established situation in all aspects. Makes the story all the better for them to meet.

[@davids3299]

Hate to say the quiet part out loud, but every season in the Big 12 is a job interview for the Big Ten or SEC.

[@mmmmcolbert8787]

all the old big 12 teams that let the new big 12 teams run roughshod over the conference should be ashamed of themselves.

[@mrsteve3527]

Kurtz doesn't realize that BYU didn't come from the Pac 12.

[@tpatrickl9539]

I don’t think he’s talking about BYU being from the Pac 12. Maybe you confused Utah with BYU? He’s more than aware that BYU was not in the PAC 12. He’s talking about the successful teams coming from the PAC 12, Colorado and ASU. If ASU beats BYU, That means a complete takeover of the top two spots in the league by two teams that were disrespected earlier in the year when the rankings came out over the summer

[@Warmmmmm]

they won the pac 12 a few years ago 😉

[@fringeelements]

@@Warmmmmm - BYU won the Pac 12 south. Unfortunately, since they weren't technically in the conference, they didn't qualify for the conference championship despite going 7-0 in conference, and winning the tiebreaker against 7-3 in conference Utah. They then proceeded to lay an egg against UAB, thus confirming UAB as the best team in the Pac 14.

[@merl-bz1bx]

@@tpatrickl9539 I think they havent noticed Utah came from the Mountain

[@elche1976]

​@@Warmmmmmthey won 5 games. Separated with light opponents in between. Which is night and day different between 9 straight games back to back to back. Also, interesting you take that 1 year, and ignore that aside from that 1 year, BYU has a 35% win percentage since 2000 vs the Pac. So 1 year erases 25? Quite the delusional take. 😂

[@shortbuscomedy]

We come in peace John. 🔱🆙

[@Teasquared27]

We already knew the pac 12 was far superior than the big 12. That was the issue, the pac 12 needed teams from the b1g or sec to survive but that wasnt going to happen. The big 12 schools would only make the conference worse, which is why the only option was to go to the big 12 to make that conference better.

[@josephmelendez8370]

Yes so superior that nobody wanted to pay for their media rights 😂

[@craiganderson8569]

@@josephmelendez8370 When the Pac lost the L.A. market, coupled with severe mismanagement the writing was on the wall. Still the worst thing to happen to college football, maybe ever.

[@josephmelendez8370]

@@craiganderson8569 that was not the worst thing to happen to College football, it was simply a side effect of what really went wrong with college football. Unfortunately the Pac-12 folding was not a big deal to many people outside of the West, it's only a big deal when it affects your league for whatever reason.

[@craiganderson8569]

@@josephmelendez8370 I agree, somewhat. It's the worst thing to happen to the west coast. And as a byproduct, not having a premier west coast conference is not good for the sport. Cal not playing UCLA, is bad and dumb. OSU and UO not being in the same conference is dumb (could say the same for Ok State and OU.)

[@josephmelendez8370]

@craiganderson8569 yeah, what's weird is that the signs have always been there that this would happen. The collapse of the Southwest Conference after 80+ years should have been a red flag after the conferences took over the media rights for their schools of what it would all eventually lead to.

[@untitledproduction5153]

I was born in 85 before cell phones and all we had was dial-up internet.😂

[@onlinepole]

There is only 1 remaining B12 team that’s ranked in the top 25.(KS ST), that speaks volumes about the quality of play ex P12 teams vs Remaining B12 teams. Add to that the Oregon Ducks 🦆 ranked #1 by all polls plus Washington State ranked #25 in AP & just outside top 25 by Playoff rankings

[@onlinepole]

The P12 is dead but the former P12 teams plus Wash St(current P12) shows the P12 could play well

[@heartbreak25]

This is hilarious. People like John Kurtz called everyone a hater for calling it like we saw it about BYU last week. Today, he's dunking on BYU and calling them a 2nd or 3rd rate-lucky team in the Big 12. This is hilarious!

[@seanbrower4701]

The funny thing is BYU was able to do what they did this year with what was pretty much their independent roster. Just wait how good BYU is after 3-5 years of NIL spending. They finally realized they have more money than everybody else and are ready to spend it. 😅

[@INFAMOUSfrontRunn3r]

JK is hard to watch. He tries to walk the line between crediable and homer and fails at both.

[@gnielsen07]

BYU has deep NIL pool they’re not going anywhere

[@troublefollows9986]

A rising tide raises all boats .....Colorado, asu and utah will force the conference to raise their games. Mike Gundy is too comfortable at osu. Big12 is sleep walking.

[@merl-bz1bx]

NIL will wash it all out

[@sarahmccoy1941]

Good that the former Pac 12 could come in to prop up the Big 12. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kirbstomp4484]

Thanks John. I was sad the Pac-12 died. What Texas was to the Big-12 we had USC in the Pac-12. I will miss my trips to the Pacific Northwest and California. But man, the coverage of Football in the Big-12 of football far exceeds that of the Pac-12. So many good shows on KZbin that covers BIG12 Football. 🏈 It just sucks how the media is treating the aBIG 12 on a national stage. That is how they treated the Pac-12. National media never stayed up late for West Coast Football. But I love that we can still call it Big 12 After Dark.

[@BetterDays-e8h]

It’s only sad because it was necessary. The PAC-12 was horribly led and managed and did so many things wrong that if it were to have thrived it would have been a validation of all those wrong decisions. Larry Scott abused the finances of Conference, it would not surprise if his behavior was criminal but unpunished, if it was covers up-then his bosses were equally responsible.

[@kirbstomp4484]

@ So true. I remember I was excited for the Pac-12 Network, but they didn’t have it on DirecTV, which I had at the time and on a contract. They didn’t even get into the streaming business as well. Once USC and UCLA left I know it was over. Especially hearing about them so desperate going to Apple TV for a streaming deal.

[@kirbstomp4484]

Stanford and Cal traveling timezones for a football game. That’s shit is not sustainable. USC, UCLA, Washington all suffering too. I do like Oregon running the table in the BIG 10. That’s their problem now. lol

[@wetblanket1977]

The only thing that's been consistent the last few years is that the teams that are at the top are preseason mids

[@javieraranda8828]

Wouldn't be happening if Texas or Oklahoma stuck around. But Happy for Colorado anyway. Wish the Pac12 could do something in the Big10 , Oregon is the only surprise

[@ekibirigeable]

Oklahoma sucks and TX hasn’t beaten a ranked team!

[@_Itchy_Bones_]

I thought you were referring to boise state and the new pac clearly being more of a power conference after today’s rankings

[@gbuddy]

Except for Utah.

[@CarlaJenkinsTV]

10:02 Tony Bennett, former Virginia Cavaliers basketball coach, is younger than Deion Sanders.

[@TheIkeman74]

Big 12 is littered with 3star recruits. Meanwhile colorado is flipping USC AL ND commitments . Make of that whatever you wish. Add to that the nationwide following of CU, it’s not rocket science who’s the likely #1 football program in the conference

[@jebroiroij2176]

If by that you mean a former B12 team and ASU, sure, let’s go with a P12 takeover

[@jeremims9044]

Right? Nobody else (I'm looking at you Utah) has done anything near what they were predicted to.

[@DocSkirv]

The B12 is the bargain basement of power conferences. The dollar store.

[@javieraranda8828]

I see the this conference alot like most conferences, alot of parity and any team could get hot and run the table. I doubt Colorado becomes a Texas, Ohio st , Alabama or Oregon

[@crypto5280]

Dude is super bearish on BYU. let’s see if they right the ship this week. I’m sure the loss stings

[@jeremims9044]

Ikr? Did a 180 on them

[@troublefollows9986]

Big12 under new management 😂

[@caroljavalera8508]

Everyone in the big 12 knows who is in control Colorado get used to it. Backhanded compliments and all.Your probably the last guy to learn about juju Lewis. Old news

[@troublefollows9986]

Nebraska caught Colorado early. Most the team is brand new.😂 new oc and dc. This is the rebuild rebuild.

[@savannahfan]

Not exactly. The issue has more to do with the Transfer Portal Kansas, OSU, UCF, and Cincinnati all struggled, and some have yet to overcome the mistake of going to the transfer portal for QB talent This left each of these teams well behind the incoming and legacy teams that had a second season transfer or in-house QB talent Take UCF for example, it was only when the 4th string QB who had redshirted last season and knew the offense was used, that UCF showed any semblance of consistency Transfer Portal talent is an unknown quality, that doesn’t know your players or offense, that can sap the NIL funds that might have been better used for other skill positions Some of these QB’s have been a complete waste (UCF, OSU)… Some took awhile but have started to click (Cinnci, KU), while only a few performed as expected (ASU)

[@commonsense3921]

🙄 Bruh, How does any of that remove the fact the PAC 12 teams came in one year in took over…….You just couldn’t bear to hear it so you came up with excuses.

[@jonathanwrehe8015]

@@commonsense3921for 1 year. And Colorado and asu haven’t played byu or Iowa state and Colorado didn’t doesn’t play asu and lost to k state at home. It’ll change every year in this league it’s crazy and unbalanced schedules

[@savannahfan]

@ Did you even read what I wrote…? You can’t see that Kansas is FINALLY clicking with Jaylon Daniels, but well after their season was shot UCF went through two transfer portal QB’s and ruined their season trying to make them work, until going in house and finding success Cinnci stumbled early on until it got its transfer QB figured out OSU is stuck having to use their mistake, and have remained at the bottom as a result All the teams doing the best in the Big 12, most of which happen to be the former Pac teams, have used in house talent for QB… and been more successful KSU, Baylor, and Iowa State obviously have done better as a result too But if you feel the need to be insecure and need validation then whatever floats your boat pal

[@RAJohns]

UCF, Cincinnati and West Virginia to the ACC. San Diego St., UNLV and SMU to the Big 12.

[@PaulMurray-pf8mt]

I wouldn't say the PAC12 is running the Big 12. Colorado got new life with Deion and the remaining PAC teams are fitting in great but not running the conference.

[@JeffreyColburn-w5w]

Too much dope in the West coast

[@merl-bz1bx]

dope is legal in most states fella lol where you been

[@JeffreyColburn-w5w]

@@merl-bz1bx It may be legal but operating a motor vehicle (or expressing an opinion) under the influence I believe is illegal or just plain stupid.😀

[@merl-bz1bx]

@@JeffreyColburn-w5w how do you know the people drives under the influence on the west coast?

[@CulturePROVOCATEUR]

Colorado will always be Big 8 to me. The pac years were a bad fever dream.

[@secretagent73]

What about B12?

[@CulturePROVOCATEUR]

@@secretagent73 I have a soft spot for the Big 8, but Big 12 all day every day over the Pac

[@secretagent73]

​@@CulturePROVOCATEUR I respect that.

[@davidwilliams4498]

No....Texas Oklahoma left 2 best teams. Pac 12 2 best teams even 3 having great seasons. Will that continue year after year....NO.... ...

[@wpsblake]

Go Boise State 🎉❤😊. Good to see them get what they finally deserve from a performance perspective. Not only tv market. Though it has grown because of performance and the population in Boise also

[@tpatrickl9539]

It sucks that Colorado had to go back to the big 12. The Pac 12 was much more enjoyable with opponents locations. Arizona and the Pacific coast are much better than you than the truckstop league. Colorado never figured out how to play in the Pac 12 for whatever reason.now they come back and dominate a jumble of teams. Colorado is only getting stronger as every week progresses. BYU put together a house of cards that seems to be falling apart. Arizona State is having a great season furthering the success of former PAC 12 teams.

[@secretagent73]

Oh you know this with less than a full season of play? Be butt hurt all you want about the PAC12 joining the dinosaurs, but the conclusions you reach are nothing but sour grape nonsense.

[@tpatrickl9539]

@ I’d much rather be associated with the educational institutions of the PAC 12 then the agricultural non-AAU schools of the big 12

[@craiganderson8569]

Colorado has benefited big time from the step down in competition. Had the Pac 12 stayed together, they struggle to make a bowl game.

[@secretagent73]

@tpatrickl9539 who cares? This is about a football league. Go tea sip with your daddy then.

[@secretagent73]

@@craiganderson8569 quit talking stupid. Who is so much worse than your EXTINCT BECAUSE OF THIER OWN AUDACITY pac12?

[@SMichaelDeHart]

It's year one John... give me a break!! I know why you're addressing this, but how can you say it's a "take over" in year one?

[@merl-bz1bx]

NIL is just really getting started with those big payments going out everywhere.

[@SMichaelDeHart]

@merl-bz1bx NIL will be going by the wayside in April 2025. The universities will have established payment outlines for all "student athletes" by then and the NIL funds will probably be folded into what the ruling on the lawsuit says.

[@merl-bz1bx]

@@SMichaelDeHart good for the kiddos

[@pdj32010]

This is a horrible take, Colorado has a 2nd year coach and 2 star players who only had 1 year in the pac .. az state has some newness also

[@phuc-v4g]

Lmfao you about as smart as a box of rocks if you think byu's defense is better the buffs, but then again you a KSU fan I'll tell you now it doesn't matter who the buffs play in championship game they will get beatdown and that includes KSU 🤡💯

[@merl-bz1bx]

nobody from the b12 will make the playoffs. too many big losses