PAISTE 404 Versus 505 CYMBAL COMPARISON * Bonzoleum Drum Channel

Here is, for crash application purposes, a comparison of a Paiste 404 20" RIDE versus a couple different 20" Paiste 505 cymbals (1 CRASH and 2 MEDIUMs). I also realize from this video, I'm getting bizarrely tubby. I need to drop 25.
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[@daveschenck7901]

"Let me hit em' a couple times before I babble on.", impossible but that's one of the reasons we love your videos.

[@spencerjsteel]

When I was 14 in 1983 and wanted the 2002s, my parents would only pay for the 404/505 series. I don't care how good these sound, the memories they trigger are just too painful.

[@QuasiTraction]

First set of Hi-hats I bought for $75, in 1999, were a paste 404's. Still have them. They record so well.

[@maxwellgordon9868]

Getting a paiste 505 ride on the 20th, can't freaking wait!

[@bonzoleum]

Great, Freddy!!!

[@robwestndrumr7648]

Got my 404 20" ride. The ride sound is pretty good but it really shines crashing it. This was Paiste's student line?? Paiste rocks.

[@brent3760]

Dang that 404 20 ride!!!!

[@adderon]

Love the video! The Walk Like an Egyptian reference is gold and most of us need to drop 25 in 2021 lol

[@clangingsmith6518]

Great video. Look forward to the I famous Chicago Bob GB segment!

[@mr2cusr15]

Terry love your videos I've learned more from your videos in the last two years I've been home then the 20 plus years I've been playing! Please keep it coming!!

[@bonzoleum]

Thank you sincerely, Marty!!!

[@macadoo2530]

Got a set of new 404's with my first kit in 1984 (14,16,20 ). Came with the 'heavy' 404 hi hats. Great sizzle on these hats. Later I got a pair of blue label 602's (I regretfully no longer have..) and my band mates (heavy metal band-lots of open hat playing.we were kids) actually preferred the 404's to the 602's. Always felt the 80's 505 line was almost the equal to the more expensive 2002's. Lot of the same characteristics.The 404 ride makes a great sounding dark crash! I loaned mine out to a pal and next time I seen it was a few years later in a local music store for sale!

[@brent3760]

That 404 is beautiful!!!!

[@michaels6213]

all of your videos rule. You are contributing to my sickness!

[@themilksnatcher]

Got a 404 14" soundedge hi hats. Love them

[@bonzoleum]

NICE

[@kevinmorrison1553]

I too began on and still have my 505 20” medium ride, 505 16” crash, 404 18” crash, and 404 14” Hihats. I think purchase was in 82’ or 83’, Drome Sound Albany NY. The ride is now on my kit. The others in the attic. They served me well. I love Paiste for their innovations like the pstx effects cymbals with holes, (which replaced my traditional crashes), but I do prefer b20 nowadays, especially for Hihats- though my Zild new beat top with a Paiste 3000 sound edge on bottom is killer. Thanks for the comparison. They sound great still.

[@JackNiles]

Do you want to sell them?

[@john6666steele]

So great when you said “who gives a shit about the bells” 🤣👍😆. Nothing bugs me more than those toolbags tapping on bells on crash cymbal videos!

[@john6666steele]

And by the way. What is a LARGE FRB anyway??

[@gazzabel7040]

1984 I got a set of 404 14 medium hi hats £44 in Newcastle I played them upside down cos the bottom was heavy and open it sounded like a mini ride for 6 years gigged all over recorded never thought of buying anything else they where sooooo good .....I’m now using all Istanbul which I love but still tempted to get a set of 404s

[@CaptainZombeh]

I had a pair of 404 15 inch Heavy hi hats. I really miss them!

[@maxwellgordon9868]

Hey Terry I was thinking, you should do a review of any paiste 400 cymbals.

[@duncanrusty5148]

hey man you're awesome dude I learned a lot from you thanks

[@franarcky3757]

Hey Terry, is it just me but watch this video again and look at the snare drum up on the shelf behind your head. it looks like a face of a lady on the drum head..lol. spooky!

[@bonzoleum]

She has a pony tail?

[@1111Paiste]

PAREIDOLIA: "Pareidolia (/pærᵻˈdoʊliə/ parr-i-DOH-lee-ə) is a psychological phenomenon involving a stimulus (an image or a sound) wherein the mind perceives a familiar pattern of something where none actually exists. Common examples are perceived images of animals, faces, or objects in cloud formations, the "man in the moon", the "moon rabbit", and hidden messages within recorded music played in reverse or at higher- or lower-than-normal speeds." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

[@HardRockinJohnny]

Love the 404 ride best, It has a nice lower pitch and really sings as a crash.

[@dylanmac8750]

Should definitely do a video for St. Tristan's Sword from Coda Deluxe

[@rickmiller5772]

oh man that was cool

[@dancorvalan3205]

Great review my friend!

[@bonzoleum]

Thank you, Damco!

[@JoshuaWestbrook]

Amazing cymbals!!

[@seangdolan]

Paiste forever! I found a New Old Stock Paiste 404 20” ride in my local Drum Center years ago. Played it and was like, oh no. How much is it? He goes, “You’re not gonna wanna know.” “$150.” So I said, “Why did you tell me that??? Now I’m gonna have to buy it!!!” Now I’ve been using it as a 20” crash. Great cymbal for the money, holy wow!

[@bonzoleum]

Yes-a trashy Giant Beatish beauty. They made 22" that were both RIDE and MEDIUM. Keep your eyes out for those!

[@flexsez]

Are you playing 505 medium hi hats in this video? And as others have said, learned more than I ever thought I would want to know about Paiste and loving them...keep up the good work me boy!

[@bonzoleum]

Yes-and they are the finest B8 alloy hi hats there are..

[@Avaloctus]

Ahoi,..one question.. do you have any 16" Hi Hats in your vault ?

[@geezerdrummer9663]

Re being tubby: Welcome to the old age party, pal!

[@cjr1971]

hey bonzo! if ur out there.... if anyone can help its u well i hope so. i love the thin 20 gb but i want bigger if they dont make it wat do u recomend that plays closests that’s out there today? 21-24. thanks

[@bonzoleum]

They currently make both 22" and 24" Multi Giant Beat models. Multi models are heavier than the THIN models. Of course it'd be nice if they made MULTI PLUS models!!

[@cjr1971]

bonzoleum i just realized that the big beats are lighter. i have a 16 505 crash id like to make into hihat. any ideas on a bottom?

[@bonzoleum]

Try any heavier cymbal ofB8, B20, whatever alloy... Preferably B8 alloy. Got a 16" 505 MEDIUM or RIDE? You could buy a 16" PST 7 HEAVY CRASH.

[@cjr1971]

bonzoleum i was thkn that we on same page wonder how that would sound

[@cjr1971]

bonzoleum how bout a 400 power crash?

[@joerico9461]

Dude the ride's going to be louder than the crash anyway

[@draginspring]

Hi Terry, (you are a true inspiration.) a Question...from watching your channel , a boiling-down to: 20" BL 505 ride= towards GB _and_ 20" GL 505 ride= towards 2oo2? I have a "Heavy" BL 505 20" i assume ride, in the post!

[@bonzoleum]

Hi, d- if I understand correctly; Yes- the 505 shape is the original GB shape. But your BL 505 RIDE has lathing more like a 602 (404), yes? The GL 505 RIDE has lathing almost just like a 2002, but with GB shape. Also, a GL 20" 505 RIDE will be heavier than that BL one.

[@draginspring]

@@bonzoleum just arrived... sounds grreat ! Black Label w/all ink/Swiss/'81/2155g. dark patina (even into red territory), there are literally no marks, as i dent/ding/bend/bite on this thing aside from ancient fingerprints. best of all fits w/ my other stuff. 75 including postage. I'm really glad it's a heavy, it's gonna get beat. One thing will do is bring off 30-50% of the gunkina to reach some more high end. P.S. what's with Paiste fire-engine-red patina-ust? you ever seen it? This ride here has a red, not orange, sheen on the bottom on about a 1/4 of it. But i got a '82 Swiss 15" B8 Super Marching that almost looks like it was spray painted... not crusty either... it's beautiful actually.

[@draginspring]

upps... it's german, starts with #295... jumped the gun because i dint think 404/505 had serials...

[@papagcortellino5283]

Bonz...I have an opportunity to purchase 505 hats/15"....are these recommended?

[@bonzoleum]

Hi PapaG-yes especially if they are MEDIUM HI HATs.

[@papagcortellino5283]

They are mediums..15" and on the way. Looking for the FedEx guy on Friday.

[@bonzoleum]

Good man!!!

[@jabbingjabberwocky5243]

PapaG Cortellino How do you like them? Make a video if them? Ty

[@scottrosati]

Time for a drum lesson .. Don't leave us hanging...

[@kearneydillon4803]

I have a green label 505 20" ride. It only has "paiste 505" stamped into metal @ 6 o'clock position. All other markings are green silk screen. Do you date this to roughly 81/82 with no serial #? It is 2160 grams

[@bonzoleum]

Yes. For whatever reason, there was a time (maybe until '83) on the 505s and 404s that there were no serial numbers stamped into them. The secondary lathing is tighter than on the '84-'86 ones also, btw.

[@kearneydillon4803]

@@bonzoleum Thank you

[@BeesWaxMinder]

Out of interest, when you audition/compare/single strike a Cymbal on their own, why do you always seem to add a kick drum underneath them at exactly the same time as you hit them, please?🤷‍♂️

[@bonzoleum]

Ah, I'm used to hearing them in the actual musical context in which I play. In later videos I have like these, I do hit the cymbal solo.

[@BeesWaxMinder]

@@bonzoleum 👍

[@1111Paiste]

Hey Terry! I'm looking for your video/lesson on the Bonham paradiddle pattern he played on TSRTS Dazed and Confused. Do you know which fill I'm referring to? I don't know what you titled the video on here. Thanks for your help! Jim

[@bonzoleum]

I forget too- m sorry. Is it in the COOLEST PART video?

[@viciousdrums5857]

Terry please do a gear rundown!

[@pawelmorrison]

There's a 404 20 ride available where I live but the guy wants about 200$ worth of currency for it. Id say he`s crazy

[@marccrossland785]

Shouldn't be more than 100.

[@bobthesalesclerk]

I just got one for $60 lol

[@matthewroreilly]

Got one for sale for under 60

[@TheRover1977]

Terry! What do you suggest weight wise for an 18" 505? I have an 18" pre-serial 602 ride (1652g) I use as a crash and I'd like to compliment the ride with an 18" crash. There's an 18" that weighs 1420 grams on Reverb right now... thinking of jumping on it.

[@bonzoleum]

18" CRASH models from the 505 are about a 1420 average. Should do the job nicely!

[@TheRover1977]

bonzoleum You got it, boss!

[@robwestndrumr7648]

I've been checking G.C. site every day for a 404 20"...found one yesterday, great condition for $79. Snagged that puppy. Been getting good deals lately on paistes. Got a 16" 404 crash with a small fleabite for $26 shipped, def sounds trashy but in a good way. Also got 15" 2002 sound edge for $209...the person that had it before obviously had the hats too high and thought they were chopping wood, it's got two 1/8" cracks on BOTTOM hat :/. I drilled two little holes and I'm ready to rock...they sound amaazing. The only thing better than buying paistes is getting good deals on em.

[@bonzoleum]

You'll love the 404!

[@robwestndrumr7648]

Bonzoleum, what snare side head did Bonham use? I have a Mapex Tomahawk 5 1/2" steel snare I'm trying to make sound better...trashing the stock UT head.

[@bonzoleum]

I've read that most often a Remo Ambassador SS, but sometimes a Diplomat SS.

[@virgil5650]

I haven't played one in person but I'm about to pull the trigger on a 404 ride...it's a baby giantbeat

[@absolutonutz8760]

Who gives a shit about the bells !!! LOL

[@sticksbass]

i had 14" 404 hats. sounded good but couldnt get volume.

[@drhappyyy]

I am about to watch this video......with some anxiety over any use of the term "trashy". (Please don't let him let me down)

[@cjr1971]

terry please help brown or black label 20 ride? i think the older black label is lighter by 200 grams pleaee help which one??

[@bonzoleum]

I'd say get the brown if it's under 2000 g

[@franciscowidmer]

Bonzoleum, should I trade a Sabian Paragon 22" ride for an old (but in a great shape) Paiste 2000 20" ride?

[@bonzoleum]

Compare the 2 together I advise: put then both up on a kit and see how you like it.

[@heroinbath1877]

404 20" ride is my favorite crash cymbal of all time

[@bonzoleum]

It is outstanding! If you ever see a 22" 404 RIDE or MEDIUM-grab it!!

[@heroinbath1877]

@@bonzoleum I've been hunting for a 22" 404 ride for years. Found a guy on KZbin willing to sell one. Left my e mail and he never got in touch.

[@heroinbath1877]

@@bonzoleum actually just grabbed a 20" 404 medium. Double A had a 22" 404 to sell me but he never emailed me.

[@heroinbath1877]

@@bonzoleum Double A finally agreed to sell me the 22" 404 ride. Should have it next week. Sooooo excited.

[@heroinbath1877]

@@JackNiles $80 for my 20" Medium and $110 for the 20" 404 ride. The 20" ride is in pristine shape. I've owned 7 or 8 of them and have paid as low as $60 for one.

[@cjr1971]

hey so what would you say the difference is on the 404 and 505? black or brown label? black is older rite

[@bonzoleum]

Yes black is older.

[@cjr1971]

and which sounds better old or new?

[@jabbingjabberwocky5243]

yes it's ah very Nice ...in my worst Monty Python Frenchman's Voice 😉

[@bobc.5698]

I just got a 404 brown label and it weighs 2025. It seems heavy though.

[@bonzoleum]

What’s the serial (if there is one on it) number? The later ones were a bit heavier.

[@bobc.5698]

bonzoleum 676886. Are the 18's good?

[@sticksbass]

whatd you say to piss him off?

[@sethheaster5715]

I love the sound of the first three, but I wasn't a huge fan of the fourth.

[@jgdpanzer]

The rides sound ok, but the 404 crashes were always garbage. They are so cheap, they bend like tin. 505’s I love maybe even more than 2002’s (even though 2002’s are made better) and pre-serial 602’s might be the gold standard...

[@JackNiles]

How many cymbals do you have now?

[@bonzoleum]

30 ish I think.

[@JackNiles]

@@bonzoleumdoesn’t become a problem until after 1000

[@scottrosati]

Drum lesson .. Don't leave us hanging

[@viniciusateixeira]

🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤

[@sticksbass]

do 404's have light med heavy choices?

[@1111Paiste]

www.paiste-only.com/paistewiki/index.php?title=404

[@domokornmusic]

Off topic, but ever listen to the Pat Metheny Group?

[@NorwegianKISSfan123]

what is a fair price for a 404 18 crash ?

[@jabbingjabberwocky5243]

TheNorwegianGhoul 50$ - 80$ bucks( IMO) .

[@fiorellimarcos]

Uuooouuuu

[@JackNiles]

Isn’t “Total Dildo Master” a 80’s glam band?

[@enricosimonotti7239]

Bonzoleum! I'm looking for a new a new hi hat, I'm between a 404 heavy and a pst7 medium. Unfortunatly I can't try them in person, what's your take on those?

[@bonzoleum]

I think the PST 7 hats are terrific. The HEAVY model isn’t too heavy, so consider those too. You can go to the Paiste site and check out the soundfiles (they’re very good).

[@tate_berkey]

Have you seen or are thinking about getting any of the new zildjian a Avedis cymbals that they came out with this year that are supposed to be very close to the zildjians made in the 60s and 70s??

[@bonzoleum]

I'm definitely going to check them out. I love a GOOD Zildjian. But it takes me a while to find them. Hopefully it'll be easier with the new AZ. I need to check out the redesigned A's too.

[@matthewrobinson8884]

Does 404 and 505 mean anything or is it like a model number?

[@bonzoleum]

They were model numbers.

[@matthewrobinson8884]

+bonzoleum cheers man

[@RReid]

Maybe Eric got tired of how much you talk

[@bonzoleum]

Ouch!

[@stephenclarke1424]

you talk to Damn much man, jeeeze

[@LogicShouldRule]

You don't get it. Terry IS the show & there is no show if he doesn't talk.