The Forerunners Would Dominate in 40k - HaloHammer Part 2

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[@jonathanathor117]

Man I never realised the fore runners are that interested.

[@HolyknightVader999]

You forgot the Guardians which could shut down an entire Necron Tomb World with one EMP blast.

[@lurky6439]

How would the old ones will fare against the fore runners?

[@jonathanathor117]

@@HolyknightVader999 Well yeah that's what an EMP does. Unless you're a faraday cage.

[@jonathanathor117]

@@lurky6439 I imagine a love hate relationship. Like tsunderes.

[@bobjones5674]

Guilty spark looking at the best tech of the UNSC and the Covenant: "This is the most Ghetto shit I've ever seen."

[@thekillerpill23]

lol

[@Ibis-]

lmao

[@EliteSithMaster]

"Oh...I see now Reclaimer. We've resorted to Duct Tape in our rekindling."

[@lentlemenproductions770]

Utterly post-apocalyptic aesthetics from his perspective.

[@davidscott5406]

this made me cry ngl

[@gracecalis5421]

This is the race that went: "You think we could tilt the galaxy?" "I don't know. Probably" "You wanna?" "Wanna what? Tilt the galaxy? But why?" "...why not?" "Yeah, fuck it, tilt the galaxy"

[@googleisevil8958]

Why does this sound like a conversation Grif and Simmons would have if they were Forerunners?

[@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tenou213]

@@googleisevil8958 This explains the Forerunners' reaction to the Flood. That was clearly a Grif plan. The man could never conceive of a greater evil than starvation.

[@nothanks9503]

@@tenou213damn this war has gone too far im hungry ... how do we make the flood hungry

[@goingblargh]

“I’m sorry, librarian. I tried to stop them, but they said, and pardon my human vernacular- no offense-“ “Some taken.” “-‘Fuck the police.’ They then proceeded to tilt every galaxy in the universe.” “Stargazing’s going to give me a headache now…”

[@synth8519]

This is basically when you piss off a Fallen Empire in Stellaris with 700K fleet power while you’re rocking 40 at best.

[@byproductofcheese]

XD true

[@johndoe-yb6zi]

I should not have settled that holy world.

[@csabaszasz4466]

isn't it funny how the ring worlds in stellaris just RESEMBLE halo ring worlds alot?...

[@Blundabus1337]

*Glances at his current game on grand admiral where he can pump out a million fleet power before a fallen empire could make it to his territory* So basically it's usually a stomp but somebody with a high enough power level, like myself or the emperor, could pull a Sheridan and tell them to get the hell out of our galaxy.

[@comradecameron3726]

@@csabaszasz4466No. It’s not. Ringworlds as a concept do not originate from Halo.

[@slyllamademon2652]

Imperium fan: *Makes argument that says forrunners won’t make it in 40k* The planet sized teleporter about to teleport terra into the middle of the ghoulstars:

[@nimmha6708]

Necron fan: How cute.

[@SirDankleberry]

Emperor sitting on his throne: *Psychically grabs Forerunner fleet* D E L E T E

[@a.morphous66]

​@@SirDankleberry An Imperial battlefleet consists of over a hundred vessels, and by such a scale, the Emperor single-handedly destroying it may well be possible. But your species is so young, so naive. By the time of the Battle of the Maginot Sphere, the Forerunner Ecumene had been utterly devastated by three hundred years of war with the Flood, preceded by a highly weakening war with humanity. Nonetheless, at the very end of Forerunner civilization, Offensive Bias mustered a minuscule fleet of *10,999 ships.* His opponent, Mendicant Bias, commanded 4,802,019. Yeah, tell your gilded skeleton to try his best.

[@derekfrost7751]

@@SirDankleberry if the emperor is so powerful, why his imperium is so shitty?

[@SirDankleberry]

@@derekfrost7751 Because he's been on life support. He still has miracles happen though.

[@palladin1337]

"...or the Orks are there in the usual number of 'yes.'" This is the best and most accurate description of the Orks in Warhammer I've ever seen, and I love it so much.

[@atomicbuttocks]

honestly i think itll be scary to have the orks wiped, mostly because you can just throw a conposer at them and bam, instant promethian army of yes

[@aidenbaker8376]

​@@atomicbuttocksthat's just as hilarious as what pancreas said tbh 🤣

[@matheusexpedito4577]

​@@atomicbuttocksoh my, this army would be invicible

[@petersonl1008]

😂

[@denifnaf5874]

Chaingunners revanants and archies in plutonia:

[@bloodbornduck9536]

I will be honest. The idea of dropping a halo ring into Commorragh and turning it on fills me with a visceral kind of joy that I’ve never felt before.

[@leonelimalevu2199]

I want it so badly to happen! Those bdsm addicts deserve it.

[@TheLastSterling1304]

Thing is, Halo has something similar to the webway; the Star Roads created by the Precursors based on neural physics. The halos were designed to target neural structures which included the Star Roads. Meaning if the Halos were fired in 40k, then Commorragh eventually get destroyed just be being in the Webway.

[@human3745]

It would probably significantly damage the warp (based on how minds affect it)

[@russko118]

@@human3745 even better for the forerunner, they don't use warp and impeding movent of the enemy is always good

[@seekingabsolution1907]

The forerunners might not do that, the Halos are considered a crime against the mantle and what Commoragh is from the perspective of the forerunners (as opposed to all the 40k factions who basically view avoiding war crimes and other ethical considerations with a "sure if there's time we might get round to it, if we're feeling especially benevolent" kind of attitude) is one giant hostage situation where they're obligated to at least try to rescue all the billions of torture slaves the Drukari have locked up in there. So more likely what we'd see is a massive interdimensional raid on the Deldar home in a hilarious reversal of fortune where all the people they so painstakingly kidnapped get yanked out from under them probably whilst a large portion of their forces are engaged elsewhere on a raid of their own, basically there'd be a diversionary attack on one of the city's primary entrances and whilst the bulk of Drukari military forces are occupied the massive cages and slave pits they have on every level of the city suddenly had massive slipsace portals open up inside them and suck all the occupants out. Then comes the WMD's systematically slicing apart their impossible towers and storming their bottomless labyrinths. The Homunculi covens might survive for a bit but when their bodies are completely annihilated and their slaves are all gone their souls will gradually bleed out of those pocket dimensions they shut them in right into the waiting arms of the chaos god they helped create all those millenia ago. The forerunners would probably save them for last, but when it came down to it, they wouldn't just kill them all, they would disassemble their entire civilisation on a meticulous level and probably capitalise on their victory by devolving them into whatever they were before the Old ones made them what they are.

[@4realm8rusirius]

Reminder:The Halo Array is not made at the apex of Forerunner Empire it was made during their decline when they were fighting the Flood and already lost.Imagine what weapons of mass destruction they were able if they weren't weaken during the Human-Forerunner war

[@陳潔明-w6y]

In fact, they had made prototype Halo rings that can *erase objects from existence* ... Not just kill an entire planet's life... The particles that made up those lifeforms just straight out deleted...

[@DarkVargas-yv7qp]

@@陳潔明-w6y what book??

[@koichidignitythief7429]

@@DarkVargas-yv7qp I think it was in the Forerunner Trilogy

[@陳潔明-w6y]

@@DarkVargas-yv7qp Shadow of Intent

[@DarkVargas-yv7qp]

@@koichidignitythief7429 thanks!

[@ClassicWafflesBreakfast]

I love the forerunners because they seem like the kind of people to sneeze and accidentally remove every last molecule of a world then go "Whoops, did it again."

[@kyle18934]

wipe the world clean to stop a sinus infection from the pollen

[@Vaz44-4]

They did something similar but with a small galaxy. They tried a Halo ring shooting it outside the galaxy, and then they got some info that apparently the blast had hit a smaller galaxy to the milky way and every living lifeform in that galaxy is dead.

[@sophisthemlock246]

@@Vaz44-4 "oh..." "what happened?" "you know how we fired that Halo in a random direction" "yeah..." "I was checking the records and there's a galaxy there... with life" "oh..."

[@Vaz44-4]

@@sophisthemlock246 basically that

[@asandax6]

They fucked a galaxy just destroy one species and dipped and were like "sorry we'll reset everything GGs".

[@Predator20357]

Basically, the Forerunner were given every Hype crew possible to show how powerful the Flood is.

[@jonathanathor117]

Well the flood is truly a knightmare. I mean the tyranids want to eat everything. The flood just want to destroy everything. They are similar but one is more destructive. Also machines aren't safe from the flood.

[@Predator20357]

@@jonathanathor117 Yah but the Forerunners were given all of these feats to make the Flood seem even better.

[@groovyhoovy2606]

To be fair the flood were made by the people who made the forerunners and some of the flood are literally the people who made and were betrayed by the forerunner’s

[@forspartaaa2348]

@@Predator20357 the flood got the win against forunners because of mendicant bias genuinely

[@demetriusmiller2696]

@@forspartaaa2348 the flood was already on the winning side before they got Mendicant bias. He just seriously tipped the scale in there favor once he was turned.

[@adrienwatson2179]

I like the trope of "Your amazing armor is our hazmat suit" Kind of like 40k Invincible Terminator Armor was pretty much for Farm work in the Dark age of technology

[@spartanx9293]

Nope if I remember right Terminator armor was a kind of mining or exosuit

[@MrLaz0rz]

For work in starship reactors or something

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@MrLaz0rz Yeah, i remember something about plasma drives/shielding

[@NoNameTaken117]

@@spartanx9293 I never knew that, so basically theres a small chance that there is an stc of a more powerful armor somewhere in the galaxy where humanity or chaos can find and make it...

[@excellentman5]

Terminator Armor wasn't STC based, it was made by the Mechanicus during the Crusade. Originally it and the Mk3 PA was written as the response to Squat Homeworlds with close fighting requiring heavier armor, but now a days its just written as when the crusade needed heavier armor on campaign the MK3 was implemented first as a conversion stop gap and later Terminator Armor was put into production.

[@ssfbob456]

It should be noted that the Mantles Approach, the Didact's ship from Halo 4 that made the 3 mile long Infinity look tiny, was considered by the Forerunners to be the equivalent of a light frigate.

[@icefl4re597]

What? It was a flagship of the Didact, which I assume hold a Class 18 combat skin and are the commander of the Warrior Servant Class. I think it would be equivalent to UNSC Infinity or Long Night of Solace. Supercarriers.

[@ssfbob456]

@IceFl4re Nope, it was a specialized ship designed to use the Composer, not a true warship. Size and offensive power wise, it was about the quivenalnt of a light frigate to the Forerunners.

[@casematecardinal]

@@icefl4re597 it wasn't a warship. It was about the size of a light cruiser give or take a few kms. Think of it like a military tanker/repair ship. Of course it is armed and probably has some pretty powerful weapons but otherwise its main purpose was to support the fleet it was attached to by creating soldiers immune to the flood that could act as marines

[@tbomb69]

If these were modern ships then the mantles approach is a Nimitz carrier and the infinity would be a kayak

[@icefl4re597]

@@casematecardinal It can't be a "light cruiser" sized. Halopedia listed Forerunner cruisers and ships and dreadnoughts too you know. They in general are 10 - 50 km sized. Mantle's Approach got to be a carrier equivalent.

[@techpriest6962]

*Necrons:* Welcome to being technological gods, where the plot demands you still lose to lesser races.

[@corvidcorax]

How they can lose any engagements to the Imperium, a civilization leagues more primitive, at all is ridiculous, yet here we are.

[@Baragon999]

Numbers from what I understand

[@techpriest6962]

@@Baragon999 Sometimes in the case of an awakening tomb world, but in general it is often plot reasons that they lose battles. Like a hero accomplishing the impossible, or the usual heroics that save the day in science fiction settings.

[@basic_avarage_person]

​@@corvidcorax do you know the term "they can't kill all of us" that's how. each neuron have like 5 million k/f

[@IronFreakV]

@@corvidcorax Numbers - that's pretty much it. A newly awakneded Tomb World can usually be overcome by throwing enough men at it before it awakens further. But in the few cases where they've gone up against a fully awakaned Necron army they've usually gotten stomped, Orpheus War is good example of this

[@danroyeliminating265]

The scary part was that ancient humanity was just as if not stronger than them being Sandwiched between flood and forerunner still didn’t die immediately. For a thousand years…

[@yeetyeet5079]

Nah ancient humanity may be similar one on one in power but was vastly outnumbered

[@Darkgun231]

@@yeetyeet5079 That's the point. If ancient humans, who were on their last legs, were able to fight against both Forerunners (who would be at their peak during first contact) and the Flood for a thousand years means that at their peak, humanity would theoretically be superior to the Forerunners.

[@yeetyeet5079]

@@Darkgun231 humanity also had the advantage of being the defenders

[@Darkgun231]

@@yeetyeet5079 True, true

[@fadelsukoco3092]

The books establish the Ancient Humans (AH) as having an overall tech level easily rivalling that of the Forerunners, but still somewhat inferior to one degree or another. The sole exception of this seemed to be weapons technology, as there was a quote that goes something like "With the help of the San Shyuum ,the Humans had managed to create such offensive technologies that even my warrior-servants had no defense against", which extrapolated logically across a general scale, mean that they had weapons that could flat-out ignore any defense the Forerunner could put up, and these weapons had to have been common enough to help them stem the tide of hundreds to thousands of times and many troops and millions to billions of times as many disposable automated assets. Halo Warfleet literally states that battlefields between the Forerunenrs and other civilizations worth their notice would result in vast swarms of wreckage of disposable Forerunner weapon-drones, all of which was considered negligible losses. So for the AH to drain the numerically, technologically and industrially superior Forerunners to the extent that the Librarian believed that the Ecumene's military resources and psyche was so weakened from material losses and war fatigue that it weakened them enough that the Flood could defeat them 9000 years later, the AH would have to have fielded some serious shit. Oh, and did I mention that the full might of the Forerunner military could dictate practically every single battle, due to their superior understanding of Slipspace allowing them to jam and clog the FTL of AH fleets however they please and predict their movements to ambush them with impunity. And that the Didact could effectively fracture and isolate all the AH territories from each other to focus on just the absolute most strategically important target worlds at a time to make a beeline to Charum Hakkor to decapitate their central leadership? And that by the time the AH attacked Forerunner worlds to halt the spread of the Flood, their own empire was severely crippled by the Flood's efforts?

[@NeverAfterLive]

the "catapult a star at them for funsies" got me XD i can whole heartedly see that happening, forerunner weapon tech was beyond ridiculous.

[@conscripthornet4430]

If you think that's beyond ridiculous you won't even begin to fathom the Precursors, the Precursors literally threw GALAXIES around like they were toys and the Didact himself shit his pants when he realized what the Precursors were capable of and couldn't explain how the Forerunners ever "beat" them.

[@net343]

Worst part is that in a fucked up way the orks would enjoy it

[@digunder14]

but one wrong move and you know that a mekboy that gets their hands on some forerunner tech and starts scrapping it to make something more killy, especially if they are a deathskull boy, are gunna be having a blast, and likely by accident wind up making a custom shooter or something that is probably multiple times more deadly than the thing the dissected for scrap/parts, man orks getting their hands on any forerunner tech would lead to even more bonkers shit than they already make in like the best way

[@Mcree114]

They can make stars go supernova at will like someone just messing around with Universe Sandbox 2.

[@amoney9119]

lol theres a gravitic catapult made by the necrons that can throw a star at 5 times the speed of light without using any energy.

[@devenmalin5340]

Another thing that was briefly talked about in this video was the Forerunner AI. Literally everything had an AI, ranging from a house cleaning AI, to military grade AI that learned, adapted, and integrated enemy information into the domain instantly. Mendicant Bias, for example was a Forerunner super AI that was given command of the entire Forerunner military during the end of the Forerunner - Flood war. It was able to actually manage to push back the Flood for a time being (until the logic plague happened).

[@seekingabsolution1907]

It wasn't exactly at the end of the war, decidedly Mendicant Bias's betrayal is the primary reason the forerunners lost that war. It was Offensive Bias that commanded the ecumane in at the end of the war and it was Offensive Bias that methodically cut apart, cornered and captured mendicant Bias after the Halo array wiped out his flood infested ships. I like Mendicant but I think Offensive Bias deserves more love.

[@jonathanoriley8260]

@@seekingabsolution1907 Offensive Bias is the GOAT, and it's a shame that 343, in their infinite stupidity decided to give us HALO 4, 5, and Infinite rather than give us a story involving Offensive Bias. After all, we have no information on what happened to Offensive Bias nor what it decided to do after beating Mendicant Bias. Offensive Bias has to still be out there somewhere in the galaxy.

[@gracecalis5421]

@@jonathanoriley8260 They did namedrop Offensive Bias in the legendary ending of Infinite.

[@jonathanoriley8260]

@@gracecalis5421 Why should I care when 343's storyline up to that point was trash? Too little, too late.

[@gracecalis5421]

@@jonathanoriley8260 While the games themselves were pretty weak in writing, especially 5, we owe a lot of the expanded universe to 343's efforts. The Forerunners as we know it today is crafted entirely by 343; they were shrouded in complete mystery in the Bungie era. Offensive and Mendicant Bias only exist the way they do because of 343.

[@argentshrike516]

The Ark had a planet in the center that was mined to create more Halos. Also, it could slipspace in a new planert.

[@Nagrachlp]

Would have been funny if they would have slipspaced in there own homeworld during the testtrun of the ark. "eeeeh small whoopsie, nothing to see here"

[@alicorn3924]

​@@Nagrachlp (woosh me first) with how advanced forerunner slipspace tech is, i don't think that's plausible

[@papapalps2415]

@@Nagrachlp The Forerunners, to boot, also didn't actually have a homeworld by that point. Or rather, they ditched it ages ago. The closest is a gas giant-sized artifical structure they used as their capital.

[@demonbot6617]

@@Nagrachlpmaethrilian wouldnt actually fit in the lesser ark

[@demonbot6617]

and thats the lesser ark

[@GreyKnightsVenerable]

You know, the funny thing is that the ancient humans only lost to the forerunners because they were already super busy keeping the flood at bay, but the ancient humans from halo would actually very likely win had this not been the case.

[@fadelsukoco3092]

Yeah, that's right! In Primordium, Forthencho explicitly states in Chakas' head that the AH very nearly won the war, which sounds utterly insane at first considering what happened, but considering that the Didact saw the AH as the biggest threat to the Ecumene and second-greatest military power in existence (this was BEFORE they started stealing, reverse-engineering, and studying how to fight the tech and tactics of the Forerunners shortly before they invaded to keep away from the Flood) and the Librarian believed that the principle factor that led the the Forerunners being weak enough for the Flood to overwhelm them millennia later was the losses in both material and manpower that the Ecumene lost in the Human-Forerunner Wars, which was implied to have nearly depleted the Forerunner war machine and most likely cast a sense of species-wide PTSD and War-weariness. This was likely what was meant by the AH having the possibility of "winning" if things had been a bit different. By all accounts the Human-Forerunner Wars were essentially like Space-Vietnam for the Forerunners, effect on the public consciousness and all. That, and despite the AH being far more militarized and rapid in their population growth and technological innovation than the Ecumene, the Forerunners still held a degree of technological superiority in most fields and they had effective control over nearly the entire galaxy, meaning practically unlimited resources and and exponentially-larger industrial base. The capabilities of your average Human soldier and Warrior-servant and their associated war machines and vehicles would be roughly equivalent if not skewed in favor of the Humans since they had more experience waging war and not being the peerless supreme rulers of the galaxy. They were also exponentially outnumbered by the Forerunners in pretty much every metric, meaning that they would have held on for far longer than they did if they had more resources to work with. This is made even more clear by the way that the Siege of Charum Hakkor ended. The Didact, with the united full might of the Ecumene at the height of it's military, political and industrial competence (they demilitarized and got lazy and corrupt to all hell afterwards towards the Silentium era) was hammering away at ta SINGLE-ASS PLANET of Ancient Humans who had absolutely no support whatsoever, and even after 53 continuous years of this, there was no end in sight. Halo Mythos even explicitly says that were it not for the San Shyuum's betrayal that allowed the Didact to bypass the defenses of Charum Hakkor, the siege would have lasted indefinitely. Indefinitely. As in, the most advanced empire that existed at the time, whose tech allowed them to calculate and anticipate battle strategies across numerous dimensions at once and have an eldritch archive of all the collected knowledge of their species and one that existed since before the universe even existed, could not calculate or simulate any feasible way in which the siege of the AH capital world could ever end, at least on purpose.

[@pasindudinusha6507]

But you should know ancient humans fought the war against forerunners with the Shan Shyuum's help. They weren't fighting forerunners all by themselves.

[@aurelian2668]

@@pasindudinusha6507 shan shayum was just basically a vassal though, they werent really that amazing nor many to change the tide of war.

[@YoRHaUnit2Babe]

so us smart monkes were more powerful than the Forerunners?

[@randomdude6446]

@@YoRHaUnit2Babe in the past apparently

[@Threaldaveoss]

Neuron teir: Hmmm you are called Forerunners... prepare to be eradicated Forerunners: Hey... you ahhh maybe wanna have the whole metal curse removed and have your bodies returned? War over.

[@casematecardinal]

*home depot theme*

[@高若嵩-t6r]

Ah yes, neuron teir

[@Threaldaveoss]

@高若嵩 Yeah it's the big brain teir as opposed to Necron Teir the dead brain type

[@Googleisstupid-sk3hm]

Flood proceeds to numb numb. Ctan...hey that's our food. Flood: free real estates

[@digunder14]

also i imagine the hard light constructs or at least the shields of the forerunners could reasonably deflect basic necron gauss weapons

[@Nameless_rat]

Not to mention the forerunners advanced AI would be planning the overall battle, with AI banned in 40k that would be a HUGE disadvantage for everyone else

[@gameid4646]

lol. in W40K AI banned for good reason, they tend to betray their maker. even in Halo setting AI can be corrupted to fight their maker. so bringing Ai based weaponry to W40K will be just giving chaos a new toy

[@youraveragescotsman7119]

@@gameid4646 Halo AI were corrupted mainly by Flood coming into contact with them. Chaos won't be able to touch them since the Forerunners don't use Warp travel.

[@gameid4646]

@@youraveragescotsman7119 tyranid don't use warp travel too but still can get influenced by nurgle. if im correct, no matter which franchise power go to W40k. it will magically became not special bc's every faction will have equal strengh. exception if those power have can wipeout the galaxy(or larger scale) in one act.

[@youraveragescotsman7119]

@@gameid4646 They get influenced by his plagues that his followers spread. He doesn't personally fuck with them because if he did than the Tyranids wouldn't be such a problem.

[@walterclements5632]

@@youraveragescotsman7119 So Tyranids wouldn't be able to do so? They're just as intelligent as the Flood as they too are a hivemind which gains the intelligence of whatever they control. They're a bigger threat than yhe Flood too if you ask me

[@ohio5157]

11:17 don’t know if this makes it better or worse but they didn’t drag a star there. they made a star there

[@wolfwarrior1176]

...tbh i think that makes it worse. They MADE A FUCKING SUN!

[@ajh3461]

"No Sun" ~ Kalador Draigo TTS

[@Trippyllamacorn7047]

My sense of scale has been irreparably damaged by issac aurther (great channel) that my first thought was really a star is impressive it’s just a bunch of gas in one spot not even that efficient

[@ls200076]

​@@Trippyllamacorn7047ooooh, nice

[@willoe55]

Moving a star isn't hard. We currently could do that (not in practice, but the technology exists). But making a star, just the sheer amount of material needed for that is what makes it impressive.

[@skeletoninatuxedo7147]

16:15 the only other thing that might minorly confuse the forerunners is a boarding torpedo, like since nobody cares about the torpedo coming at them (not even going at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light L bozo), the space marines in said boarding torpedo just bang on the forerunners ship hull screaming "LET US IN! WE ARE THE EMPERORS ANGELS OF DEATH AND YOU WILL FACE US IN FAIR COMBAT" but muffled.

[@generizze6243]

A warrior servant can pretty much solo a campany of space marines.

[@skeletoninatuxedo7147]

@@generizze6243 the janitor would casually open the door, go outside, and kill them with a hyper advanced vacuum cleaner that could probably suck entire planets into it

[@troll99826]

@@skeletoninatuxedo7147 “Ye hear something about xenos jeff?” “No get back to cleaning.”

[@skeletoninatuxedo7147]

@lurkingcarrier8736 considering how dummy space marines are, I just assume they would punch the the 'spacetime no longer intersects correctly' fields until it looked worse off than a guardsman encountering a khorne berserker, that is, if its GW writing the story and if its ultramarines.

[@televisedidiocy1851]

I laughed to hard at the image of a forerunner looking at them the same way you would a bug being on your windscreen, just "ugh!? ***erradication***"

[@pancreasnowork9939]

Honorable mentions of Forerunner tech I forgot to bring up also include building their own Hive Mind they used almost exclusively for their Judicial System and nothing else, building Fortress Worlds they could move around the galaxy, and that time they fired the Halo Array at an entirely separate galaxy.

[@amyvoegerl6349]

And mendicant/Offensive Bias

[@thehermitman822]

That mean true democratic judgements by all citizens or all high members of Forerunner society?

[@foxnut13]

What book did they yeet the Halos at another galaxy? Thats new to me lol

[@pancreasnowork9939]

@@foxnut13 silentium, I believe.

[@jonathanathor117]

Oh and hard light for their ships and simulations/ environment. Hardened light. That shit is light weight and nigh indestructible.

[@12_gageshotgun90]

Two other forerunner flexes. In some of the novels the unsc was messing with a forerunner slipspace engine and somehow ended up hundreds of years in the past which means the forerunners had time travel. There was also that time they tilted the axis of the entire galaxy simple because they could.

[@KillerOrca]

Thats the events of I Luv Bees right?

[@thehermitman822]

What were the repercussions of that axis tilt?

[@12_gageshotgun90]

@@thehermitman822 as far as I can remember, none.

[@sentientwaffle535]

To be fair, I doubt the time travel was an intentional function. I haven’t read the book but that sounds like an accident

[@12_gageshotgun90]

@@sentientwaffle535 I mean I feel like it would be pretty hard not to notice that you could time travel with your own technology that you've been using for millions of year.

[@net343]

Bypassing the warp is really useful for traveling through the 40k galaxy

[@DRKTROOPER15]

This video is just a casual reminder of how absolutely horrifyingly OP the Flood at max strength is if it was able to take down the Forerunners. Like most OP thing in Fiction

[@dalek--ck9oy]

That just kinda makes everything boring

[@redacted6680]

and the fun part is that for a minute or two, you actually think you have a chance (very early stages)

[@jhr891]

Not even close

[@darkmagn]

The photonic birds in the Series he mentioned with big bang rifles would make any sci-fi universe wish they just had to deal with the flood. I'm not kidding.

[@bruhfunnies3441]

@@dalek--ck9oy >in the comments of a 40K video

[@sethleoric2598]

Don't worry guys, Jimmy the named guardsman can beat them.

[@pancreasnowork9939]

Jimmy the Named Guardsman is a god among gods

[@jammin1881]

Add in some commissar gaunt type plot armour with the right author and you have a god killer killing higher god powers 🤣

[@seekingabsolution1907]

The power of named characters eclipses all technology and magic.

[@KaptifLaDistillerie]

He can't beat Jimmy Rings though

[@moxxiiscarlett7141]

We have Chips Dubbo

[@harveykaiba]

Not only did they build an extragalactic station, they did it TWICE. Also, I recall the 3 million worlds number was the *official* count by the Ecumene government, but I think they had way more than the number listed, at least the Builders did.

[@slimerewoods5766]

The extragalactic station isn’t even really much of a feat as well as the forerunners were more than easily capable of going to other galaxies, they just didn’t have any interest in it as they were happy as is

[@anthonypadilla8334]

@@slimerewoods5766 they actually did go to another galaxy called path kethona look up halo silentium

[@anthonypadilla8334]

The ark we see in halo 3 is funnily the SMALLER ONE its called the lesser ark and meant to build the final improved versions of the Halo array. The Greater ark which was the original was to manufacture the 30,000km sized original halo rings vs the lesser arks 10,000km sized halo rings. Id probably guess since the greater ark produced halo rimgs 3× the size of the lesser ark that the greater ark was probably appx 375,000km in diameter.

[@livingglowstick1337]

​@@anthonypadilla8334and the original 12 halo rings where insanely powerful omega halo killed all life in a galaxy using it's directed energy weapon by firing it for a split second

[@StragetyMTG]

I think Guilty Spark refers to the Spartan Armor as technologically a "Tier 2" armor, and recommends that Master Chief change into at least a "Tier 12" armor class before fighting the flood. Considering that his definition of armor seems to be simply a means to defend oneself from hostility, it suggests to me that in Guilty Spark's eye, something like chainmail or hard leather armor would be considered Tier 1 armor. This is all to say that the technological leap from one tier to another (assuming each tier is equidistant from the others) is essentially equal to the leap from a suit of medieval armor and the on Mark 5 Mjolnir Power Armor. A "Tier 3" armor set would therefore be as technologically and practically superior to Mk. 5 armor as medieval armor is. "Tier 4" armor would then make "Tier 3" armor look like antiquated garbage. As a reminder, "Tier 12" armor is the MINIMUM tier of armor that Guilty Spark recommends Master Chief to switch into if he even wants to stand a chance against the flood. Long story short, the gap between Master Chief's own armor class and that of the Forerunners is AT LEAST 6 size times as big as the gap between basic medieval armor and the Mark 5 Spartan II Armor.

[@darokdeed]

Following your logic Tier 12 armor turns you into a god that erases reality, did Guilty Spark ever classify anything besides tier 2, or do you just pull all of your comments out of your ass?

[@SaviourSword995]

​@@darokdeedI mean it is mentioned in multiple Halo books based on forerunners

[@darokdeed]

@@SaviourSword995 what exactly is mentioned that tier 1 is basic medieval armor and it increases by like a 1000 each tier? like i said that means tier 12 means god level capabilities to warp time space and reality with an snap of your finger and basically become superman son goku or Saitama.

[@StragetyMTG]

@@darokdeed It's my understanding that the Forerunners could warp space at least, they teleport often and seem to make things materialize from nothing. They even went to war with, and defeated, the Precursors, who were essentially the Halo Universe's Gods. I went back to find the quote, to be sure. Gulty Spark says, ""May I suggest that you upgrade to at least a Class-Twelve combat skin? Your current model only scans as a Class-Two, which is ill-suited for this kind of work." That being said, I can agree that Guilty Spark never explicitly defines the technological gap from one level to the next. I do, however, reason that Tier 0 armor is likely the complete absence of any protective armor. Now, even if we disagree that Tier 1 isn't rudimentary armor, it must lay somewhere between literal nothing and Master Chief's Mark 5 armor. As I said in the original comment, assuming that the difference in scaling from one tier to the next is roughly equivalent, then the armor would, logically, need to be AT LEAST six times more advanced than it currently is, to be equipped to handle the flood. Remember, the Forerunners basically killed God and even they couldn't defeat the flood without sacrificing most sentient lives in the galaxy.

[@PBRatLord]

@@darokdeed Did you not watch the video? The Forerunners and Ancient Humanity practically were gods, not even counting Precursors. Sooo, yes. Yes, 'class 12 combat skins' would be essentially make you a god-like being. Forerunners are literally more OP than most modern and historical conceptions of God my guy XD

[@UGNAvalon]

Necrons encounter Forerunners: “Meh, as long as you stay off our turf, we’ll leave you alone.” Necrons encounter Prometheans: “Oh… _OH…_ Now it’s personal. War In Heaven 2.0 baby!”

[@spartanx9293]

Many forerunners consider the Prometheans to be abominations the librarian directly refers to them as such the only individuals who were forcibly turned into ones we're human Promethean used to just mean the elite troops that fought with the didact

[@moguldamongrel3054]

Prometheans?

[@spartanx9293]

@@moguldamongrel3054 you don't know what the prometheans are? One of the primary enemy factions of halos 4 and 5? They are more or less created as a byproduct of the composer

[@spartanx9293]

@The “Meat Chopper” Halo 4 was good

[@heftymagic4814]

@@spartanx9293 no it wasn't lmfao

[@boomerack6074]

I feel I need to add one feat that was a single throwaway line in the book that truly shows how powerful they were, and that was when the forerunners were questioning if they should tilt the axis of the galactic plane. No reason for it, just to see if they could.

[@christiedt9818]

@Emmanuel Appiah Boateng they wanted to gangster lean the galaxy, just to see if they could.

[@theonewhouploadsnothing1704]

This makes me think of all the casual shit talk the forerunners would have on a day to day basis. Just them arguing that “no, tilting the galaxy does not a have a beneficial purpose,” with replies of, “it be funny though”

[@fadelsukoco3092]

@@theonewhouploadsnothing1704 Yeah, and their everyday power-generation technology basically involved draining entire nascent universes dry on a regular basis.

[@godhandstan3908]

So,i would argue some dynasties of the necrons can be reasoned with, given how many of them still obsess over regaining their fleshy bodies and would happily submit to a superior species who could do that, and then improve those meat-shells to beyond peak condition, seeing as that's why they started the war with the old ones to begin with.

[@joshuafarrington3649]

Necrons are far too arrogant to 'submit' to another race. They'd likely bargain or make deals.

[@gnoffhoff5296]

But they would plot about how to kill the Forerunners because they're dicks

[@Nverdis]

To tell you the truth pal, I think the Necrons are the MOST likely race IN 40k that COULD be reasoned with

[@hentaihaven8552]

@@Nverdis I would say the Tau or eldar if it benefits them to some degree but yeah third. Remember most necrons don´t care enough to talk to vermin

[@sebastianls412]

@@hentaihaven8552 they would view the foerunners as a) a threat and b) a source for imortallity that doesnt screw you over

[@MarkTomczak]

Love it. One minor quibble (because everyone loves theoretical physics ;) ): Slipspace isn't full of chaos gods and can't be corrupted like the Warp, but it can be "used up"---too much galactic-scale slipspace travel renders it unstable and increases the energy needed to traverse it safely, even past the capabilities of Forerunner ships to generate in a short amount of time. And unsafe use of slipspace by the Forerunners risks the same effects the Covenant and UNSC sometimes encounter. It can even be "broken" (which the Flood do at the height of their power). And in the final battle between the Flood and the Forerunner's AI servants, after the Halos were fired and all life in the galaxy was dead, the last fleet-battle-grade AI, freed from the constraints of protecting its organic crews, weaponized slipspace in a way not fully explained because it's not fully comprehensible by a mortal mind...

[@daverage4729]

Old Ones: "Pssst...hey kid, you want our Tech?" Tau: "Hell yeah!!" Annnd the Forerunners are born!

[@jonathanathor117]

Halo theme begins.

[@Marthe535]

Well it would be cool to see how T’au would be in around 10k years

[@Solemnus88]

@@Marthe535 and the necrons killed the old ones off, so how would the forerunners do really?

[@_NIKOS9_NIKOS]

@@Solemnus88 Actually the Necrons were beaten, it was the following Enslaver invasion that killed most of the old ones

[@Sinahji]

@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS Killin the Creators of Ancient Eldar and Krorks Made the C´tan litarally to Pokemon for Powering thier stuff Necrons werent couldnt use the Warp at all so they were nearly Imun to Enslaver Krorks were without Guidance Eldar in war with the Warp The Necrons had Imortality, no Real Enemys Compared to the C´tan and Old Ones They Decided it wasnt Worth to Fight over the "bit" Time over the Ancient Eldar, even Heavily Weakend without Old Ones, they had still the Tech of them So its Wrong to sa the Necrons were beaten, the Silent King just left his People Sleeping knowing Krorks and Ancient Eldar are around and doesnt give a sh.. at all^^

[@demondeity9816]

A thing to mention how powerful the forerunner industry is. The ark seems to be able to make a planet sized ring in a couple of months because once the first ring was destroyed, another one was almost completed by the time halo 3 happens. After halo 3 a halo ring ripped itself apart and spammed into the ark. The ark while damaged survived a planet sized object slamming into it and remained functional. Following this the ark managed to not only completely repair itself where it doesn't even have a scratch but also made a brand new halo ring to replace the one that slammed into it. All in 7 years.

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

I’m convinced that, for the first three Halo games, the lore was that humans were the Forerunners. That’s why their technology readily answers to us as it’s reclaimers and why the Covenant leadership went mental and started saying some of the Forerunners were left behind when they encountered the humans on Harvest, glassing all of us to prevent this terrible truth from coming to light. Also 343 Guilty Spark says it to Master Chief’s face in the second to last cutscene of Halo 3. “You ARE forerunner!”

[@boomerack6074]

In Halo 3, the terminals also threw away this idea as it shows a report of Forerunners cataloging the ancient species of humans that were on earth for reseeding. So nope, Halo CE and 2, probably, but by Halo 3 that idea was thrown away to show that Guilty Spark was just insane.

[@JackofNoTrades634]

No wrong but they are the inheritors

[@rabidrabids5348]

@@boomerack6074 Well it's mentioned in the Forerunner saga books that Humans and Forerunners are extremely genetically similar.

[@agonefire]

In the original trilogy Bungie hadn’t quite decided what to settle on for the Forerunners. The terminals in Halo 3 answered that humanity was NOT forerunner (altho Sparks dialogue kind of contradicts that), but they were just Easter eggs thrown in last minute. 343 Industries was the one that actually fleshed out the Forerunners (to mixed reactions)

[@isaacfoster1377]

That used to be cannon but they decided against to add more of a "variety" of species.

[@jaredtenney329]

"...Or the orks are there in there in the usual ork number of yes" had me dying.

[@axios4702]

This helped finally put into perspective the War in Heaven for me. 3, technically 5 species if you count the Old Ones and C'tan, with the power of the Forerunners duking it out in all out war... Holy shit... No wonder the Realm of Souls turned into the Warp, we should be glad we still have a galaxy.

[@anderelamaro3815]

Forerruners can barely be on par with DAOT. War in heaven is hell for them.

[@ohamatchhams]

@@anderelamaro3815 No it's not, in fact the informations about DAOT is so scarce as in the Warhammer 40k books since both of GW Black Library authors and 40K fanboys are pussied out about more DAOT and War in Heaven exposure, that at most the DAOT technological peaks being only star snuffers and black hole shooters, when Forerunners are already written to have so much more peaks beyond Milky Way Galaxy DAOT Humans are still Dark Age of Technology in terms of scales, the 40K fanboys exaggerations of it's settings can get as stupid as claiming 4 chaos gods as "outerversal" when it's not, they can't even conquer Terra despite claiming Emperor as their "Anathema", 40K lore is so skewed that it's anachronistic, non-sequitur and unreliably childish for supposedly super-edgy and "vast" settings Even All Tomorrows and SCP stuffs already surpass 40K and later Dune Books have Paul Atreides became so strong that he can break the convents of Fate, not even interred Emperor on the Golden Throne can breaks Fate, at most he can only be electrocuting fencing lines to cornering at the guard of children's park, if 4 Chaos gods being equated as "pedophiles", Emperor can't even permanently eliminate 4 chaos gods either as the 4 chaos gods' grip are severely limited and still wholly dependent on Milky Way galaxy alone, I would argue Doom Slayer with few plot-device shenanigans and DMC Dante/Vergil can 1v1 kill a chaos god permanently

[@anderelamaro3815]

@@ohamatchhams That is one long Bible written by some clear 40k hater. Why not take this to a forum? Where there you can post the evidence claiming Forerruners were capable of being extra galactic shit. And then we can argue about chaos gods and all that nonsense. Because as far as we know, all halo fans do is tell but don't show any evidence. I could go and take literal canon quotes and post them here, but again, I prefer forums where we can post this without soany problems that is YT comment system

[@陳潔明-w6y]

@@anderelamaro3815 Which forums?

[@陳潔明-w6y]

@@anderelamaro3815 "From those inner secrets, Forerunners have prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds, *move stars* , and even to contemplate shifting the axes of entire galaxies. We have explored other realities, other spaces-slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geodetics, natal void, the photon-only realm called the Glow." Halo Cryptum, ch.10 “You *shuffled planets* ?” “ *Yes* ,” the Didact said. “Humans are naturally purists. They resent having to live with other species. In fact, they’re among the most contentious, bigoted, self-centered…..” He looked back at Riser and Chakas. “I never understood how my wife tolerated them.” Halo Cryptum, ch.11 "However their most prominent use of these methods came at the end of their civilization, when they were forced to prematurely induce *the death of countless stars* in order to purge sectors overrun by the parasite" Halo Encyclopedia, p.340 "The Forerunners' grasp of Slipspace technology was far more advanced than ours or the Covenant's," Dr. Halsey explained. "I believe this sphere resides in the center of the planet, encapsulated and protected by *a Slipspace bubble of compressed dimensionality* ." Halo Ghost of Onyx That was in reference to Sarcophagus, a Shield World *2 AU* in diameter but compressed spatially to the size of a football... "When he refused, Cortana chose to make an example out of their kind, amassing *a group of guardians* around the Jiralhanae homeworld. The ancient machines unleashed *a coordinated blast* that completely destabilized the planet's core, *rending it to pieces* in one final catastrophic event." Halo Encyclopedia, p446 "Guardians were capable of *rending worlds into pieces* and reducing entire civilizations to debris fields." Halo Encyclopedia, ch.397 The Guardians were not actual warships, but policing constructs deployed before the need of a military intervention arose... Do you use Reddit?

[@MistahFox]

You can argue all you want about whether or not a Spartan could beat a Space Marine, but a Forerunner civilian easily could. Guilty Spark considers Master Chief's Mark 5 Mjolnir armor to be a class 2 combat skin, and woefully inadequate to fight the Flood. Despite how major an upgrade Mark 6 was, Spark doesn't even realize it's been changed. Class 1 combat skins would probably be medieval knight armor, and Spark says that protocol for a flood outbreak is everyone wearing at least Class 12. Forerunner civilians always wore combat skins of at least class 8 when they weren't under attack, and six more upgrades equivalent to the change between Medieval armor and the best technology the UNSC can offer in the 26th century is the Forerunner equivalent to a Covid mask. Also, Spark says in Halo: Point of Light that it was easily possible for all Forerunner civilians to integrate instant transportation technology into their armor, but long distance Slipspace travel was restricted to the military and transports by the government because every civilian transporting across the galaxy at once would create a time-space reconciliation bubble so severe it would destroy the universe. The Sentinels in the games are pathetic because they are designed to contain small Flood outbreaks, but the Onyx Sentinels are ridiculously OP. It took a team of Spartans heavy weapons and a lot of preparation to destroy just one, and they can never be destroyed in the same way twice (except with ridiculous firepower of course) because they learn, but they also combine together to increase their power. Just three combined can vaporize hills, but they also combined to create an entire planet and then destroyed a whole Covenant fleet in seconds. They were also reproducing every second, but they are ultimately just an automated security force and nothing compared to the Forerunner navy.

[@thehermitman822]

But would accelerating time in the warp even matter?

[@JohnSmith-rg1ie]

Cant they just a send a ton of robots through the eye of terror and wait a few month ? And blast the chaos gods with some super weapon ?

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Ah, the Leviathan Dreadnought, my favorite Class 7 Combat Skin

[@cr90captain89]

@@thehermitman822 it would not since chaos is fueled by the material races, as long as life exists, as long as basic emotions exist: anger, ambition, gluttony & lust. in an ironic twist the flood would be the warps greatest enemy. while the forerunners would be sweeping the floor with the forces of 40k ( with the exception of the necrons, cant defend against a de atomizer after all) they would be impressed/ surprised about psykers (they would likely assume that humanity had tapped into neural physics), & how absolutely CHONKY humanities empire had grown, most of all i think them having literal immortals (emprer on a golden throne) would make the forerunners envious, as they had been chasing that with geash's for untold millions of years, to learn your genetic younger sibling has it ( even though its rare)will be a massive blow to their ego.

[@toobig7150]

Let's not forget that the flood isn't a mindless parasite, they are a mutation of the most advanced species in the saga and can get so stupidly smart that they get jedi like powers at a planet sized scale. Throw a few flood in the warhammer universe and in a few weeks they most likely will band together with everyone (or simply force them) to fight the chaos, then turn on everyone else

[@seekingabsolution1907]

The domain is also sort of the forerunner afterlife, it's worked into the neurophysics of the universe itself.

[@raser4329]

The Precursors made the domain, Forerunners just gained control of it. I'll also ignore Cortana using it because Halo 5 campaign triggers my fight or flight reflex.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

@@raser4329 I am aware, I have read Silentium. It was a good book

[@陳潔明-w6y]

@@raser4329 Similar to how Old Ones made the Webway while the Eldar just used it like free real estate...

[@raser4329]

@@陳潔明-w6y Exactly like that. Nobody in the halo universe knows the domain wasn't made by the forerunners, even when Cortana takes control of it in Halo 5.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

@@raser4329 the office of Naval intelligence does, they recovered the logs that Silentium is made up of so they recovered the librarians final testimony on earth.

[@michelecastellotti9172]

Xeelee, Daleks, Time lords and Forerunners would absolutely dominate the 40k galaxy, but pretty also any other universe conceivable considering that each of these races can destroy/create galaxies while drunk on a tuesday afternoon

[@claypidgeon4807]

The Daleks will need to lean heavily on their superweapons to deal with the topmost 40K stuff. This said, if so armed, and using the superweapons intelligently with these weapons then one single Dalek could fight a hundred Imperiums and win easily. The Dalek may have to wait for the Warp to calm depending on how you decide things work but that’s nothing a little time travel can’t account for.

[@SomeGuy-y6x]

Daleks and Time Lords, yes. Xeelee? Depends on a few things and what time period. During the WiH? No. Not even close. As for Forerunners? Nah. They'd get casually shit on. There is an argument to be made that the IoM could probably defeat them. People just wank the shit out of Forerunners without proof. But undisputably, the Necrons casually shit on the Forerunners. Even in current times. And in pretty much every way. Production capabilities. Travel times. Firepower. Durability. Technology levels.

[@indigowest6894]

​@@SomeGuy-y6x Aight, let's compare Xeelee and Necron, and we'll even go by your metric, shall we? 1. Production capabilities; The Xeelee use *galaxies* as construction material. And they don't use one or two. No, they use an *entire supercluster of billions of galaxies*. Point me to one instance of the Necrons coming even close to such a feat. 2. Travel Times; This isn't a contest lol. Standard Xeelee ships are capable of crossing the Universe in a week. Oh, and did I mention they can pull off casual *time travel*? To as far back as the *Big Bang*? They would literally time travel to before the Necrons existed and snipe their planet out of existence. 3. Firepower; Xeelee possess *handheld pistols* that destroy *stars*. Your argument is invalid. 4. Durability: Xeelee ships are built out of literal space-time. They can survive within the event horizons of black holes and the supernovae of stars without even needing a shield of some sort. Technology Levels: Humanity in the Xeeleeverse would stomp WiH Necrons without the slightest effort. These humans were literally trying to collapse an infinite nultiverse into one single meta-reality where every human who ever died would live again, and all human suffering would be eradicated, no matter how paradoxical it would be. They'd simply brute force it. The Xeelee? Stomped that humanity back into the literal Stone Ages from the heights they reached. Go ahead. Try to argue the Necrons would be anything more than a blip to the Xeelee.

[@SomeGuy-y6x]

@@indigowest6894 A small shard of a C'tan was capable of throwing the mass of an entire galaxy casually, in a fight. This happened during the current setting after they re-awakened. Not even close to a full powered C'tan. Mag'ladroth is literally the embodiment of all space and time. The Old Ones used a weapon called the Tower of Heaven that was capable of remaking the entire universe with nothing but thought. The C'tan could counter it and vice-versa. Necrons have created entire universes as large as their own. Generally they use them as storage and prisons. Necron ships also chill in stars. Again, current time. Hard to say what the max speed of the Necrons are. They have methods to cross the galaxy nearly instantly. Not even talking about Dolem gates. They have at least three methods of transportation. The Necrons can casually time travel as well. One of their punishments is to send criminals forward in time millions of years. Also, they have devices like the Breath of the Gods which was capable of destroying entire universes/timelines. It was powered by only a small shard of a C'tan. Also, it was a human that had no idea what how to use the device that did so, let alone what a Necron would have been capable of with it.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

@@SomeGuy-y6x ummm no. You are just making shit up at this point.

[@Ornzora]

Okay, now im imagining how old necron find Forerunner instead of Old one Necrontyr : Sir, please, we have cancer ! Forerunner : Wow, thats a big ship and a lot of colony going into war you have there ! Okay become monkey ! Necrontyr : Wait wha... *become monkey without cancer, and happily live their life*

[@eternallylearning2811]

The thing is it's their sun that's the problem

[@Freedmoon44]

But gets cancer again because they arent litteraly semi gods and still call upon the Ct'ann "shatter the Galaxy time"

[@joshrobins130]

@@eternallylearning2811 The infinite and the Divine basically explained this. Even when they went offworld, they still had this problem with short-lives and the cancer developing. It basically was so baked into their DNA that every attempt at getting rid of it just straight up didn't work. Hence BioTransference.

[@eternallylearning2811]

@@joshrobins130 yeah that sucks

[@basudebsarkar5487]

@@joshrobins130 forerunners were masters and gods of genetics

[@bunbox]

At first I was like "Isn't this just the eldar?" Then the video continued.... ...yeah no this is on a whole other level.

[@KillerOrca]

The Eldar wish they could have reached the Forerunners heights.

[@thehermitman822]

Poor Space Elves.

[@cnut7383]

War in heaven eldar or current eldar

[@seekingabsolution1907]

@@cnut7383 depends whos writing the Eldar. In one book there's this Eldar machine that can basically make almostbanything magically appear which is better than what the forerunners have but in most other examples I've heard they're on par or worse than the forerunners.

[@blacktemplarterminator6058]

About halfway through I was impressed by their capabilities, but then by the end I was like "oh these guys are just the golden age eldar but with some sprinkles of necron-ish tech"

[@greggillespie8259]

Tried talking about this as a friendly debate in my local group to get the unsurprising response of “hur durr, 40k win because space marine so strong”

[@lennardchurch8483]

That's 40k fans for you.

[@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460]

@@lennardchurch8483 Yeah, pretty much. God, I am really starting to hate the fandom.

[@Micmag-]

With enough fanboys and autism any factual information is blocked out of there minds

[@SirDankleberry]

@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Then don't join.

[@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460]

@@SirDankleberry I mean, how can anyone join when the prices for models cost you an arm and a leg?

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

20:50 "oh, you want to give me power, huh? Y'know, your 'warp' dimension _is_ giving off a good bit of energy... Aaaaaaand it's A battery now."

[@IAmAlpharius20]

And then the battery begins screaming in unholy tongues and infects the entire Ecunemene with magic space AIDS

[@clan741]

I will give more credit to the Necrons, they rebelled against the c’tan, godly and unkillable star beings, and WON. This is probably on par to when the Forerunners rebelled against the Precursers and won. Even if they are at their current weakest state their potential to smack back hard is still there as we do not fully know the extent of how many tomb worlds there are and how damn many of the robots there are in total.

[@casematecardinal]

Forerunner: -parks outside tomb world -makes it not exist -refuses to elaborate -leaves

[@overlord4404]

@@casematecardinal Necron: - visits celestial orrery - snuffs out some lights -doesnt elaborate -leaves

[@targitausrithux2320]

@@casematecardinal >majority of the necrons in that tomb world get teleported to another one within their dynasty

[@casematecardinal]

@@targitausrithux2320 the poor necroms would be out of tomb worlds very quickly. Especially if the forerunners used slipspace to have a coordinated raid against all planets they could find.

[@Motard.Actual]

Not to mention the Necrons have the power to control whole universes. I mean they can literally turn off fucking Suns lol.

[@Delta_Lupus]

I dislike the sentiment of *"No other Sci-Fi faction could Survive in 40K"*, because most of Warhammer 40k can't even survive Warhammer 40k. Every Major and/or Minor Faction is either a stroke of bad luck away from being extinguished, a Shadow of its former self or both.

[@ravenknight4876]

Warhammer 40k factions are actually pretty weak when compared to most other franchises.

[@HM-hd7up]

But what about necrons in their prime, they're kind of hard to beat.

[@KillerOrca]

@@HM-hd7up Key word; THEIR PRIME. No one in 40k is ever in their Prime anymore except MAYBE the Tyranids.

[@jhr891]

The sentiment of No other Sci-Fi faction could Survive in 40K boils down to what other civilizations could survive Lovecraftian nightmare. 40K universe isn't scary because of its military power. As you said most factions are behind their Zenit. But most civilizations tossed in would find themself under constant attack of soul-eroding corruption, with their kings becoming mad and for mad to become kings, everything only adding more layers to the game of insane gods. Factions in 40K are only able to exist there through extreme measures or by literally being designed to do so. I can only think few edge cases that could be capable of even just surviving in that universe and not becoming just part of the pointless meatgrinder. (and yes most of them are from Xeelee Sequence). Forerunners could maybe wipe out the galaxy but only to replace humans as the favorite snack for Chaos gods.

[@PeachDragon_]

And it's also bullshit in principle

[@LAV-III]

Faber was a bad architect! There I said it. Sure he made the rings but god damn does he hate railings and has a nasty habit of making every room in the library the exact same. And don’t get me started on the glass floors which is a big safety hazard.

[@thehermitman822]

Fucking immortals can be so flippant about safety. I swear.

[@nobleman9393]

Faber: Who needs railings? we can fly! Librarian: Our successors are supposed to come here in the Future, what if they won't be able to fly? Faber: Shit!

[@danielawesome36]

@@nobleman9393 Random lower-ranked builder: "Sir! Imagine the amount of materials we would save for our still-decreasing fleet if we _didn't_ put any railing or safety guides!" Faber: "Hmm... That's quite convincing, actually. Okay, let's do it."

[@seekingabsolution1907]

@@danielawesome36 yeah but huge portions of forerunner structures are made out of hardlight, it would cost them almost nothing to have some basic safety features, Faber put every person working on that ring in danger purely for the aesthetic.

[@danielawesome36]

@@seekingabsolution1907 Imagine if there _were_ safety features, but nobody ever found the ones for safety railings😳😳😳

[@jonathandoherty9082]

Coming back to this after a few months, I just remembered, The forerunners have the guardians which can shut down ALL tech and destroy planets lol

[@walterclements5632]

That's 343 so it's totally bullshit.

[@jonathandoherty9082]

@@walterclements5632 the guardians were always a thing, their lore just wasn't expanded upon until 343 took over

[@walterclements5632]

@@jonathandoherty9082 That's literally the same thing lol

[@anna-flora999]

​@@walterclements5632ah, that brings back memories. Of bitter bronies that couldn't accept twilight becoming a princess.

[@walterclements5632]

@@anna-flora999 what

[@MaeljinRajah]

The only faction that wouldn't be crushed by the forerunners would be the Tau because they would join them immediately.

[@thehermitman822]

"Do you know da way?" "The Greatest Good has arrived."

[@flandermander4952]

a single forerunner would tunnel into 40k just for funsies and start trying to make the tiny shitty aliens he found into a galactic threat while keeping his existence secret. thus creating the T'au, they aren't there yet, but they will be.

[@Marthe535]

@@flandermander4952 well that would be a acctualy ok origin storie diffrent name and boom as some one playing T’au that would be a little cool

[@VitoIsPuffBunny]

Implying that the flood wasnt a zeentch 7d chess play.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Orkz have a good chance. If they loot some choice Forerunner bitz, things can go downhill very quickly. Orkz looting Halo rings is bad enough as it is. You ever see a Halo ring painted red, covered in spikey bits, and with the safety pried off, and the firing stub welded down? Galactic purging of life, on full auto, and da Mekk in da control room hasn't even pushed the big red button yet. And with some noisemakers on the ring, because the dakka wasn't loud enough.

[@corbindick8943]

I like stuff like this the forerunners are terrifyingly powerful

[@terminator572]

Yeah yeah and the Flood is even woooooorse, I get it.

[@inductivegrunt94]

The Halos alone could kill everything but the Neceons easily.

[@combineeliteunit8769]

@@inductivegrunt94 except Chaos

[@inductivegrunt94]

@@combineeliteunit8769 Chaos dies without belief from their followers, no followers means so belief, no belief mean no power for Chaos, no power mean no Chaos. Chaos dies in the end with the Forerunners being victorious.

[@combineeliteunit8769]

@@inductivegrunt94 Daemons are fragments of their patron god, each god of Chaos is literally the embodiment of a concept, respectively: Violence, Pleasures, Disease and Decay, and Science/knowledge or pursuit of wanting to know something. And Forerunners are no different to having these concepts in their society. So GG, Forerunners get Infiltrated by cults of their own kind and go down hard

[@Impartial_Sojourner]

Every Organic Forerunner Warrior has basically a predictive simulation of the battle in front them, running real-time and adjusts to incoming variables, while they sense8 to nearby comrades who are doing the same.

[@GreyKnight7777]

*Forerunner Activates Halo Array to Purge All Life* Necron 1: Did you feel something just now? Necron 2: No.

[@abnegazher]

Forerunners: discover the Dark Eldar and Commoragh. Also Forerunners, 1 second later: *[ D E L E T E ]*

[@starhammer5247]

The Mantle would force them to invade Commoragh personally to try and save whoever they could, but if that's not possible, then when they get to the delete button, they're bringing the auto clicker.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

@@starhammer5247 I'm glad someone else concurs about this. I love the idea of someone going the extra mile to rescue everyone in Commorragh. Like, that's such a flex morally, technologically and militarily speaking.

[@starhammer5247]

@@seekingabsolution1907 And is exactly something they would do even without the mantle, they enjoy lording their superiority over others when they can.

[@Airsickword]

@@seekingabsolution1907 is it really moral if your doing it for clout?

[@starhammer5247]

@user-od6zj7ws7f When did I say anything about humans? The only thing I mentioned was a joke on auto-clickers.

[@thesuperintendent4290]

13:20 You go into Slipspace in Atmosphere (At least with Covenant and UNSC technology). As a Slipspace drive creates tiny black holes that cause a rupture in time and space big enough for a ship to go in and out. You can go out of Slipspace with no problems as it just happens in Slipspace. But if you go in you will cause a Nuclear Explosion (As what happened in New Mombasa) as the black holes disappear due to Hawking radiation So this shits very expensive and valuable to the UNSC and the covenant as it costs more than the ship itself. So if the Forerunners use this as teleportation. They put the Imperium to shame.

[@barrybend7189]

Meanwhile Star Trek's Iconians: loony tunes black dots their way into and out of forerunner ships.

[@wolf2403]

All I can say is the sound of Blood Angels, Necrons, and Forerunners teaming up makes me very very happy. Mainly cuz I bet they would given how both of those 40k factions have teamed up with each other before so are open to alliances.

[@nimmha6708]

All factions in every setting EVER would be open for alliance through one thing: An overpowered common enemy. I doubt Necrons and BA's would've came together if it wasn't for the Tyranids being too much for either of them 1v1

[@Mgauge]

One thing to remember is that Forerunners weren't limited to normal materials. The vast majority of their gear was at least partially solid light holograms. They could adjust these to take the properties of anything they needed at the time and last indefinitely. The books say that the Halos and Ark were unusual for not being made this way. That and they don't need food, water, or sleep thanks to their suits. So they had no need for supply lines or traditional manufacturing. Their logistics would make Guilliman weep in jealous rage.

[@BossEvasion]

I still wish we never truly saw the faces of the forerunners, with the Diadect being a potential exception since he’s described and depicted as extremely mutated. Legends placed their appearance on a pedestal for me, thinking them as a race of Super Sentai/Power Rangers. Just wanted to address my grievance, thanks for continuing this little series Pancreas.

[@ultrimarines9198]

I agree, which is why I like Lord of the Rings so much, Sauron is more of an evil force rather than a villain

[@raser4329]

@@ultrimarines9198 It also helps that when Sauron was in his physical form during the second age, going by the name Annatar, he was proven to have shape changing abilities. So it is quite possible to never see his true face.

[@hermeister3870]

in fact unaugmented forerunners (all adult forerunners were highly augmented) were VERY close in size and appearance to humans so yeah. oh i mean MODERN halo humans by the way, ancient humans, without augments, stood at eye level with forerunner soldiers. So yeah we're talking about low end primarch sized

[@TheAgent0060]

You do seea Forerunners face. The Didacts wife

[@grandsome1]

They should introduce more human looking forerunners for variety. Tough their current design would make most biologist conclude they're some sort of humans anyway.

[@canooples5134]

To think the forerunners had a good chance against 40k factions gives me chills as to what the flood can do

[@nightterrors2976]

Completely infects the 40k universe

[@Bananakingchad]

They if have a galaxy hive mind can transcend reality eventually conquer the universe multiverse the dimensions themselves become aware that they are a concept and try to attain sentience in our world

[@badjuju2721]

The flood is one of the most OP antagonists in fiction.

[@Googleisstupid-sk3hm]

What do you expect when you mix a majority of op abilities. Quantum wrap reality powers, genetic memory down to DNA, able to take over various life forms, etc. It's as if fan fiction met 4chan and produce new chaos god

[@JemRau]

Nugle: Flood? Thats cute, lemme taste it. Oh hey giant roach(Tyranid) wanna have some Flood soup? Tyranid: No thanks bro. Wannabe gods taste like 💩

[@TheOneWhoShushes]

Pancreas announces flood video coming up Me: *proceeds to write an eulogy for 40k* those poor lad aren’t ready for those things

[@sakib6258]

I know my Flood lore from a single 20 min video and yet I still know the poor bastards in 40k are screwed.

[@Naramsit]

40K already have 3 of those. They are the Orks, the Tyranids and Grandfather Nurgles pleagues. Each are a separate threat but works similarly to the flood. The Orks reproduce by spreading spores that grow and make new Orks. The Tyranid will kill all living creatures, dissolve them and absorb all biological material of a planet to make new creatures. Nurgles pleague is, well, a pleague. No living creature is immune to it, nothing can cure it. They may not necessarily die from it but they are now the servants of the pleague god.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

I'm partial to the idea that the tyranids could immunize themselves to the flood but not to the idea that they wouldn't catch the logic plague as the overwhelming influence of the grave mind infiltrated their collective consciousness. A large enough flood outbreak begins to get borderline metaphysical as the ancient power of the precursors begins to rewrite reality around the floods advance, similar to the shadow in the warp it tends to make slipspace travel much harder and slower.

[@spartanx9293]

Technically they would be able to deal with an early phase flood infestation the later phases though that's where it becomes problematic

[@SaviourSword995]

Flood is basically what happens if 4 chaos gods have sex with tyrannid hivemind and create a baby. Flood is super OP

[@witherskull5823]

I just love the "and then they threw a star at them" line 😂

[@mackensieswanholm4996]

the Gravemind would take one look at the humanity of 40k and instantly deem them unworthy of the mantel of responsibility and when that happens its over for their universe the only reason the UNSC survived at all is because they were still being tested

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Possibly not, it's entirely possible the flood genuinely want to consume everything now.

[@mackensieswanholm4996]

@@seekingabsolution1907 it is possible that 343 will dumb the flood down but taking the flood from halo 2-3 they undeniably let humanity live to test them later

[@KaptifLaDistillerie]

Humanity was not being tested by the flood, it was a trick of the Gravemind which left human worlds to attack forerunners ones and led the humans to believe that their strategy of genetically modifying people was the solution, which it wasn't, then humanity came on forerunners worlds to destroy the flood and it started the human-forerunner war

[@mackensieswanholm4996]

@@KaptifLaDistillerie that was ancient humanity not current human which I was talking about And humanity are literally called the reclaimers (pre-343 they retconed it just refer to the master chief) by the forerunners and the precursors Humans being devolved and losing their technology are pretty much a entirely different civilization that is not longer great enough for the mantel hence them needing to be tested instead of just being handed it

[@skeletoninatuxedo7147]

6:27 - 6:52 I want someone to make a story where master chief gets a forerunner bodysuit / armor, I'm actually curious to see what would happen.

[@starkill97]

A LOT of VERY DEAD covvies

[@hypermaeonyx4969]

He'd be biologically immortal, be virtually indestructible to anything less than weapons bigger than Hunters, and possibly a better AI companion

[@skeletoninatuxedo7147]

@@hypermaeonyx4969 ok yeah but what other changes would it make to the story? could he save sgt johnson? miranda keyes? could he have saved reach?

[@hypermaeonyx4969]

@@skeletoninatuxedo7147 well he'd basically be able to shrug off everything the Covenant throws at him that isn't a Scarab or bombardment/glassing. Save Reach? I doubt it, he's one Spartan and he'd eventually be overwhelmed or be bombarded by covenant ships. But he might actually save a lot of people and get things done faster mow that significantly less things are capable of hurting him, although I doubt he could save Johnson considering they were all caught off guard

[@skeletoninatuxedo7147]

@@hypermaeonyx4969 yeah but think about all the brand new advanced shit he has, if spartans are already able to dodge plasma fire and even bullets on occasion, the beam fired by guilty spark could be perceivable now. Even if you dont think he could do it by now, the suit probably has something that could say remote control guilty spark or just outright save johnson for him.

[@LennoxParsec]

Promethians had something like Spartan Time, basically all the division mind is connected, each of them can see the battlefield of a whole planet as a static image, analice it, and take actions as a hivemind, frame by frame.

[@Brainflayer]

Forerunners when confronted by Chaos "Oh no. Anyway"

[@seekingabsolution1907]

They'd probably see that the galaxy was being plagued by extra dimensional influences and then find a way to wall off the warp from realspace. Of course there's the issue that in 40k souls are manifestations in the warp and people cut off from their souls tend to wither and die, but I suspect that finding a way to remedy this is something they would be able to do, given that they believe that their souls are maintained in the Domain.

[@CyrodiilCome]

Idk, the whole point of the forerunners was they were incredibly arrogant and stupid/short sighted. They "killed" their primordial creators because they thought they knew better. They got effected by mind games by both the flood and a precursor that resulted them into killing themselves. Think that's ripe for chaos to corrupt

[@Marthe535]

Well that would be wierd like not wierd that it would happen but wierd that now chaos is technicly the ‘’good’’ guys that they lat waste to a invader that would be wierd but also a little bitt cool to see the forerunners getting torn apart in a war chaos is controlig from both sides as they think they are the superior to the other while,both are being corrupted

[@TheTallGuy1992]

That's true... if Chaos was as effective as it say it is with it corruption. The Forerunner's for all their arrogance were not dumb or easily manipulated, the thing is the Flood not only waited till the Forerunners were at their 'weakest' to strike but also spread themselves out and appeared weak at first so they wouldn't be wiped out off the bat. the war with the flood lasted hundreds of years and if you know how the Flood operated, well you know that's a couple hundred years too long for any race. And Chaos itself doesn't do any favours for itself. Chaos can be stealthy for all of five minutes before it reveals itself to whatever poor planet it is on and the thing is if the Forerunners know about it, they can possible deal with it. This isn't the Imperium where they don't have the tech to develop anti-warp weapons or are so suppositious that they'd shoot anyone who has even a idea of their might be something big in the warp (part of the reason so many cults are hidden). this is a race of being that could mess with the galactic TILT when they were bored. Chaos has little that the Forerunners would want besides the validation of defeating them. Part of the reason the Flood were so effective against the Forerunners was that they were the antithesis of what the Mantle stood for and that their position that they had for MILLIONS of year with only one rival that they had defeated millennia ago was challenged but also that they were loosing 'quickly' (the ancient human-forerunner war lasted longer and humanity was also fighting the flood). Also a bit of a interesting thing, in lore it's said that the Precursors were going to wipe the Forerunners out so humanity would inherit the Mantle so the Forerunners retaliated in self-defence. Although this is under a 'could be a lie' banner, it's left ambiguous on purpose.

[@slitherthewizardofwither6959]

There's an interesting theory about that. The theory goes that the flood was always intended just with a different mode of delivery and amount of suffering and forerunner saw this and were horrified and turned on their creators. But ultimately what the precursors intended to happen happened anyways just in a different way (By the way this is an extremely butchered and dumb down version of the theory because it's been a while since I seen it)

[@imperialhistati2348]

There’s a problem with Chaos tho. It’s inherent uncontrollability. You can’t control the warp. Hence you can’t control chaos. Forerunners at the point they are, won’t fiddle with things they don’t understand.

[@imperialhistati2348]

Non of the chaos gods fit a standard to corruption for the forerunners.

[@phantomwraith1984]

Forerunners also had such a mastery of genetics and resurrection that Bornstellar exists in the current timeline as Master Chief. If Chief ever meets Offensive Bias, Offensive will likely call Chief his best friend and or master on the spot

[@lennardchurch8483]

The lore doesn't state anywhere that Bornstellar left any imprints anywhere before retiring to a barren world with his wife to die. Master Chief did not receive Bornstellar's imprint. Guilty Spark was an unreliable narrator. Him referring to Chief as if he were someone else doesn't mean Chief is that other person.

[@LuceroGaming]

343 guilty spark called master chief forerunner in halo 3

[@casematecardinal]

@@lennardchurch8483 chief was imprinted but the librarian never stated of who.

[@lennardchurch8483]

​@@casematecardinal I listened to the dialogue closely, and the Librarian never told Chief he had the consciousness of another person implanted in his mind. Too many people conflate the Forerunners' ability to implant genetic commands on people with their ability to implant entire consciousnesses of people into others. These are not the same thing.

[@barrybend7189]

@@lennardchurch8483 yet Chief heard the Didact in his head thinking it was coms from the not dead one.

[@bigbangrafa8435]

That was really scary. I was just recommended the Covenant video, and as It finished the notification for this imediatelly showed up. Great video by the way, but damn, I guess the algorith is not only sentient but also psychic. Anyway, let's just say that If the Forerunners showed up right in the middle of the War in Heaven, the war would have never ended. Yes, I believe they are just that powerful, to the point of bringing up a stalemate between two Godly factions. It would be incredibly funny to see these three factions just pulling up the most insane, reality-warping, universe-killing weapons on a daily basis. The Tyranid Hivemind would look at It from dark space and think "Nope, let's try the Star Wars one".

[@mattparker1078]

If you could circle an entire planet with a ring ...it's impossible to fight back against that .

[@Leethesynn]

To me, it seems like the Forerunners are not getting compared to their real 40k counterparts, the Old Ones. The old ones share almost everything with the Forerunners. From the highly advanced technology to the creed they follow which necessitates they sow life across the galaxy. I understand the old ones are extinct, but the forerunners discussed in the video are as well. A video discussing how those two factions would compete would be interesting.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

No, the Old ones are more like The Precursors, the forerunners are more akin to the pre fall Eldar.

[@OsoUrsa]

@@seekingabsolution1907 agreed

[@lordsathariel4384]

the old one's are basically a lesser version of the precursors in terms of feats and the forerunners are basically better eldar but the main difference is unstead of following orders like the eldar did with the old one's the forerunners wiped the precursors out themselfs

[@freddyfrog70]

Yeah you need to see the precursors of the halo universe. They use neural physics to do reality warping, ie space magic

[@Victor-dh6hc]

@@lordsathariel4384 I'm pretty knowledgeable about both universes lore, to say the old ones are a lesser version of anything is just false, and if we're talking about it already, a single Catan would cripple any military force, you get a couple together and nothing beats them, they are the physical embodiments of the constants of reality, they exist outside of all laws of the universe and are the closest thing to literal gods in either IP

[@Micmag-]

As a Halo lore enjoyer allow me to explain the forerunners power in one sentence: The universe was a fucking playground for them.

[@mattpryokra2245]

L I T E R A L L Y 🤣

[@grimnir8872]

As a 40k lore enjoyer allow me to explain the settings actual backstory in one sentence: People like that were small time in the war in heaven.

[@Dogue83]

They destroyed their own planet with their little science experiments, killed their creators out of prissy rage and stole the mantle from humanity out of jealousy, they are more arogant and conceited than the Eldar The Flood did everyone a favor /watch?v=GU4Hw-xbBNo

[@sithlord5149]

then why did they lose?

[@grimnir8872]

@@sithlord5149 Because they were an initial background advanced race and books quickly made them more and more retarded.

[@thegethconsensus393]

Basically The Forerunners would save the galaxy. The imperium would be smashed and mankind would be liberated from tyranny. The Eldar would be aloud to thrive again and all the bad stuff would be wiped out or neutralized.

[@ender_slayer3]

Silence fills the empty grave now that I have gone, but my mind is not at rest for questions linger on. The armored casket has fallen with his pallbearer, he has been torn from his shroud.

[@Wormy_fren]

Yeah the forerunners were made into boringly powerful to show that the flood are scary as hell. Which I can understand.

[@ASBESTOS_EATER]

That's partly why I love them as a faction; a whole armada of stupidly overpowered tech and they lose to space dog food that went bad

[@iona2225]

And then you find out that the Flood are something else (spoilers) and it all seems to come to shape in terrifying symmetry; you're not reading a sci-fi prequel, you're reading a HORROR series of novels in a popular sci-fi setting. And made the Flood so insanely powerful that the Forerunners had to effectively destroy a part of the universe from 'outside' material physics (can't remember the specifics, just the concept that you can hear the Halo's effect actively coming at you from FTL even though you're just a normal dude on a planet as absolutely terrifying).

[@KillerOrca]

@@iona2225 The resonance effect of the Halo's firing seemed to bend time itself, with various instillations of the array recording firing echos hours before Bornstellar triggered it properly. To be fair, the Halo effect relies on Neural Physics like almost all Precursor relics did so it makes sense.

[@ASBESTOS_EATER]

@@KillerOrca Whilst we're on the topic of Forerunner time bending shenanigans, why don't we bring up the Didact killing the Primordial by ageing him millions of years, in literal seconds using a Precursor Reverse Timelock. I don't think Greg Bear cared much for reality when writing Silentium

[@KillerOrca]

Indeed not. Though with slipspace, time itself is very WEIRD so its at least doable.

[@Icebergeification]

I feel like the unsc actually could survive in the warhammer universe and would fill the same niche as the tau. People often forget that humanity actually wiped out HALF of all the covenant armada during the battle of earth which is no small feat to be sure, that being said there's no denying that humanity very much lost the covenant war and earth's defenses were pretty much wiped out by the end of it

[@SMmania123]

Forerunners, are kind of in another league. They make superweapons with ease. And thrive in the light of technological dominance.

[@havoc989]

they are basically any peak 40k civilization I mean peak humans where monsters, and dont forget the old races peaks

[@kingcobb4712]

There tech would become chaos curropted the momment they got there

[@kingcobb4712]

You forget chaos can see the future mening they would know of there arival in to the universe and would put all of there force into curopting them

[@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch]

@@kingcobb4712it wouldn’t, the reason AI in 40K and other shit get corrupted in 40K is its shitty unlike forerunner tech

[@kingcobb4712]

@@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch my guy if something doesn't have a soul chaos can corrupt it very easily and has very little to do with the actual makeup of the AI itself

[@nidhoggr8193]

Pov your a drakarie(dark elf) looking up as a glowing hole opens up in the sky and a planet sized ring pops out of it. As the hole closes you stand there and think " what the heck is that, maybe some type of peace offering". " hay look it's glowing I wonder what that means" then you and every track of sentient life is wiped from existence.

[@jonathanathor117]

Imagine the interim coalition of planets from xeelee sequence enter 40k. That would be a sight to see. Hard sci fi vs space fantasy.

[@thorshammer7883]

I heard the Interim Coalition was even worse then the Imperium of Man and yet they were still super powerful.

[@ssjjshawn]

Imagine the Chaos Gods vs The Transcendence

[@jonathanathor117]

@@ssjjshawn imagine C'tan vs downstreamers. Star sucking vampires vs cosmic astronaut humans.

[@jonathanathor117]

@@thorshammer7883 RIP god emperor, again.

[@jonathanathor117]

@@thorshammer7883 Well they are a deconstruction of the whole "humanity fuck yeah trope" kind of like how watchmen (the comic) was a deconstruction of certain superhero tropes. Funny thing is that in the end humanity in xeelee was somewhat spared i think. I mean didn't they leave the universe along with the xeelee and other bayronic matter with the help of the ring.

[@nathanpawl771]

I wanna add one thing that I think you forgot, the Forerunners that got murked by the flood was not at their highest tech level, because if I remember correctly when the Librarian when over to another Galaxy she found Forerunner ships that were a higher tech level than what they had at the time. Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, it’s been a while since I’ve read the Forerunner trilogy

[@aldrixlevy228]

Bringing them to 40k is like bringing the Old Ones back to the current setting. It's not fair.

[@randomomega9966]

Chaos Gods: Exist Forerunners: No Chaos Gods: *Turns to dust and screaming emoji*

[@Blundabus1337]

Malal: . . .again?

[@PeterRudesindus]

Chaos Gods can look into the future, time travel and open portals in anywhere in the galaxy. Also the second a forerunner dies, his souls appears in the warp and is extracted of all its knowledge. Hell even if they don't die, chaos will just come to them and if the forerunners ever completely block out the warp, they will just die from losing their own souls. Nice suicide you did there.

[@pillarmenn1936]

@@PeterRudesindus Here's the problem. GALAXY. The Chaos Gods are limited within the galaxy while the forerunners aren't. If the Necrons have the ability to Shrek the Chaos Gods, the multi-galactic spanning empire will do an even betterer job than them.

[@PeterRudesindus]

@@pillarmenn1936 So the war starts with all 40k factions locked in place fighting each other and the forerunners coming from outside the galaxy, already knowing all the relevant facts about the warp beforehand and just needing a bit of time to finish necron pilon suppression tech. Also warp only exists inside one galaxy, not the whole 40k universe and the forerunners are at least on the tech lvl of the Stargods which are much older and smart than they are. Well if all of that is true then yes, sure. I could think up a similar scenario for every 40k faction though. The more I think about it the more i am convinced that the forerunners are inferior to 40k humans, at least if they both had the same starting point.

[@____Carnage____]

@@PeterRudesindus inferior? Bro a single Forerunner has more knowledge than a majority of the IOM’s entire population. Heck one Forerunner could probably produce more sentinels than the Imperium has guardsman in a week

[@LordProteus]

Hardly any, if any at all, 40K defence forcing in the comments. Honestly surprised and impressed. The comments sections of Gamza's "Could They Survive" videos were really painful. Saw someone say Godzilla would be killed by Space Marine Bolter fire on the Godzilla one.

[@thesocialistsarecoming8565]

I mean it could. If godzilla sat perfectly still and did nothing as the space marine emptied every single bullet it had to tunnel through 'zilla's eye into its brain. But we all know that aint happening like that.

[@anderelamaro3815]

Video isn't relevant enough. We have got this talk hundreds of times and it's always the same. You have to use Forerruners on the WEAKEST era of 40k universe because you know you can't do anything else with covenant or UNSC. Why not go with DAOT? War in heaven? Too coward?

[@thesocialistsarecoming8565]

@@anderelamaro3815 you do know its called wh40k right. Not warhammer war in heaven, not warhammer 30k (that one is a thing), not warhammer 20k. Warhammer 40k. The video's on topic.

[@xuanthanhnguyen4856]

Yes, Dante could

[@yoyoimokazaki]

I mean its also taking forerunners at their peak and not the remnants they are now, half of the factions at their peak in 40k would dominate the universe.

[@theDCDanger]

I knew the Forerunners were powerful but man they're terrifyingly powerful apparently. Can't wait for part 3!

[@concept5631]

Same

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Want that sweet sweet maddened Precursor popcorn.

[@darkshardshoots]

The Copium from 40k fans is just delightful (I say this as a 40k fan myself). There are some potent factions in 40k. In terms of raw capability the Forerunners are technologically superior to The Old Ones, War in Heaven Era Necrons and Height of Aeldari empire Eldar. The argument that chaos would insta gib them dies on grounds of "They are failing epically at insta-gibbing the Totally Not Egyptian Terminators." The Tyranids might be tough, but thus far, remain less terrifying than the Flood who literally break reality, and the 'crons are dunking on the 'nids. The forerunner overmatch the 'crons for raw power.

[@spacedaniel492]

Go outside, for the love of god

[@thehammer4607]

Not to mention the throwaway lines about the forerunner having conquered 11 dimensions, including one entirely of photons they called the realm of light, or something like that.

[@pablo1006pr]

If i remember correctly thats because some of their tech is made from something called hard light or something like that. What is that? Have no idea, How those it work? Who knows, is that prove of them conquering 11 dimesions? Maybe

[@nicholaswilkerson4394]

I think it was "the glow"

[@trentoskivich4211]

Petition to get the Forerunners to park a halo ring outside comorragh and set it off however many times as necessary

[@necromatic9490]

sign me up as fast as possible

[@MothFable]

Hell fuckin yes, I’m signing that shit

[@nicholasjonas2505]

If you're going to introduce forerunners into 40k, don't. Introduce them into 20k, or the war in heaven, where everyone was at the height of their power. In my humble opinion, krorks, pre fall eldar, dark age humanity, war in heaven necrons, and the other mysterious psychic races that humanity had a hard time fighting were at the tech level of the foreunners.

[@pipeline789]

Put them against the Rangdang. Most information is lost about the Rangdang is lost, but possibly it was a race of Cthulhus or something like that.

[@rickynelson8004]

I don't think Dark Age Humans or Eldar or Krorks would win, certainly not alone. You could definitely make the argument that the Old ones could match them if not beat them as they made superpowered races as weapons against the necrons. Necrons could probably do it, they have nonsensical technology on the level of forerunners. The Halo Humans that were contemporaries of the Forerunners and actually challenged them only managed to do so because they had precursor technology which is comparable to the Old Ones. The thing that ultimately makes me think it would still go to the forerunners in the end though is NO ONE IN 40K ACTUALLY KNOWS HOW TO FIGHT. SWORDS IN GUN FIGHTS AND RAMMING IN SPACE BATTLES MAKES YOU LOSE.

[@nicholasjonas2505]

@@rickynelson8004 dark age humanity had pistols that utilized a planets magnetosphere to create a death beam. Pre fall eldar had forges that could create anything. Literally any material object. Krorks straight up just use their willpower to create technology. If that's not overpowered i don't know what is. Also melee weapons and ramming manuevers are present in halo

[@rickynelson8004]

​@@nicholasjonas2505 any beam that kills something is a death beam so that doesn't impress me. Top end examples of dark age technology would be the ship that can manipulate time so that ships crash into their past selves, but that is on a local scale. The average Forerunner capital ship can make a start go supernova. The Aeldari pre fall were still concerned about Dark age humanity, so if humanity isn't a threat then neither are they at least not technology wise. Psychic power can come into play and probably cause an issue but seeing as how it is more limited than the Precursor neural physics (at least in terms of scale) and the forerunners... uh replaced them, as well as prehistoric humanity who was using it, I'd say they are capable of dealing with it. Krorks... I mean they are certainly an issue but unless they get spores litterally everywhere the forerunners just set off a localized Halo blast and they are gone. Yes ramming and melee do exist in halo, but they are not the driving fetish behind everything they do like in 40k. The forerunners win for the same reason 40k wins against other universes, they were made to be stupidly overpowered, this one just happened to do it on an even bigger scale.

[@jakemocci3953]

DAoT humanity with Big E in all his fury would wreck forerunners, they don’t have an answer to him. 30k humanity might be able to take it, because of him and Magnus.

[@Robert-cl2ft]

One faction from another series I know of the Ancients from Stargate SG1 were really advanced to the point they ascended into godhood because they felt like it, and their technology was so advanced to the point it was basically magic even to other really advanced races

[@jojothehamster]

Although in principle I agree there is one point I wish to give some counter to. Nurgle's diseases don't need to be physical. And a species that previously did not know disease but now finds itself at the mercy of a magically incurable disease may eventually crack. If they manage to find a cure or resist long enough I'm sure they'll be fine. But if not... Then Nurgle found himself a couple of very powerful new toys.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

It's a matter of if the forerunner can find a way to cleanse warp influence, which im certain they could because they'd approach it methodically and scientifically and would already have several examples of anti-warp phenomena in the setting such as necron black stone or psychic nulls.

[@brendandonohue2398]

Assuming nurgle can infect them that is plus the forerunners didn't give up and were willing to annihilate themselves to screw the flood they would rather burn their own empire down and smother the galaxy with its ash then give papy nurgle the satisfaction

[@Nick-st4hb]

I can see the first encounter with forces of nurgle going this way, the forerunners would engage like pretty confident since they can one tap any other demon and in matter of seconds obliterate the Nurgle forces only to realize their armors starts to rust something that wouldn't happen because their alloys are nearly indestructible, they would panic and most likely die, their AIs would send an alarm about the forces of nurgle and their tactics would change to long range missiles or orbit bombardment

[@jammin1881]

@@seekingabsolution1907 If that were true they could have cleansed the flood. Instead they needed to fly their own ships into suns.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

@@jammin1881 No, theres no connection between those two things. The forerunners were absolutely capable of defeating the flood at the start of their war, the logic plague just got out of control as the parasite grew and the primordial corrupting mendicant bias and using the Halos on Maethrillian, killing off the majority of forerunner leadership, then the parasite managing to capture and subvert large portions of the forerunner navy and using those subverted ships to spring upon unknowing worlds unawares, and the tactical and strategic thinking of the parasite growing exponentially as it converted entire planetary ecosystems into graveminds of unfathomable intelligence then being able to weaponize precursor artifacts in their war which disabled forerunner technology, made it impossible for them to bring their full might to bear before it got out of hand. Nurgle on the other hand hasn't even got full control of the section of the warp that contains the realm of chaos. His plagues have been shown to be curable, theres a whole bit of lore where Isha literally whispers the cures for them into the ears of mortals. More over chaotic corruption of every sort has been shown to be purgeable by various means in which the logic plague is not. Chiefly through faith and spiritual discipline. The forerunners aren't as religious as humans but their spiritual life is very disciplined and complex none the less. They could defeat Nurgle.

[@bonusbone5118]

Imagine if the forerunners just sent rings outside the galaxy and dusted all the tryanids

[@fanatic9926]

The problem is we don't know how many nids there are

[@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch]

@@fanatic9926doesn’t matter rings op

[@thepowerofluck2432]

​@fanatic9926 Then 1 of 2 things will happen. They'll all be dead because the rings, if set up like that, can have a galaxy wide radius and then basically everything is reset back to 0 before life is presumably reseeded. Or 2, if the full range isn't used, a lot will still die, making a massive blow to them

[@NaatClark]

@@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch And then the Necrons get pissed about the missing biomass and happily dismantle all the rings.

[@ChangerofWays-Tzeentch]

@@NaatClark the rings automatic defense and rebuilt systems dismantling them all while a single Forerunner frigate solos the entire species

[@bumblebot2458]

Y'know one thing that I'd *love* to see discussed in detail is this: how would the Cybertronians and similar species from the Transformers series fair in 40k? It's an interesting discussion because there's so many iterations that they range from "would get curb stomped" like with TV G1 to "would most likely curb stomp" with the Transtechs. Hell, even a lot in the middle would at least hold their own like the Covenant, and something tells me a fan made modified "Beast Wars Uprising" faction would be hella fun to play on tabletop.

[@UGNAvalon]

Mechanicus suspect a planet is a Necron Tomb World. “HAHA!! Nope! Unicron!”

[@NoNameTaken117]

Thing is Unicron would absolutely decimate the 40k universe. I mean the lad eats universes for breakfast.

[@bumblebot2458]

@@NoNameTaken117 he does, yeah. But he'd also be some conflict for the Chaos gods, to some extent, because he is literally described in the series as a "God of Chaos." Whereas Primus is a God of Order.

[@NoNameTaken117]

@@bumblebot2458 shoot your right

[@jonathanathor117]

Cybertronians are pretty op even though cybertron got decimated by their war. I mean if some stories the deception war was relatively localized. The ftl systems that they use are infinitely better and they can advanced their tech pretty quickly. The autobots especially optimus prime would be very deeply disappointed at what humanity has become. They would be effective against tyranids and orks. They could even give necrons new bodies call protoforms with their own spark which is essentially the transformers equivalent of a soul. It might not flesh and blood but it definitely better than being soulless. In the setting of 40k the transformers would be mainly on the defensive and that include all the cybertronian factions. Even grimlock, the dinobots, the wreckers and megatron and by extension the decepticons would have to resist the urge to run fade with everyone else. All the cybertronians will have no choice but to co operate with one another.

[@Furydragonstormer]

Biased or not, there is this sense of joy in seeing things be thrown out to prove that Warhammer 40K isn't the strongest. Like, I'm partial to be biased towards Halo myself as it was my first sci fi shooter I played, but it's funny watching 40K fans just bluescreen at being proven that their world isn't the strongest out there.

[@azurewraith2585]

Plot twist that the tyranids are coming into the 40k universe to escape the forerunners

[@omgwtfhaxfan1221003]

that also happen to be attempting an escape from the flood. Man there is some serious food chain shit lol.

[@AssassinIsAfk]

​@@omgwtfhaxfan1221003I can see the flood being able to just infect the Tyranids once a keymind is established and at that point the Tyranids are fucked anyways.

[@ded4ss]

im a 50% fan of wh40k and 50% halo. I love them both, amazing games, interesting universe and incredible style

[@santhinal7767]

ok I agree with everything except the orks. You forget there is A LOT of evidence the main reason the Krorks became the Orks is because of a lack of powerful enemies. It is theorized among the 40k community that the Orks need powerful enough enemies to maintain the Krork form or they devolve as a form of a inbuilt safety mechanism by the Old Ones in the Ork DNA or whatever you call their version of it. So wit the the Forerunners in play it is highly likely the Orks would begin to evolve more and more into Krorks even if the Forerunners kept exterminating them. Their shared psychic connection should ensure that.

[@alyssinclair8598]

the orks had pretty large space empires before the emperor cracked them so it's a big weird they didn't evolve then

[@santhinal7767]

@@alyssinclair8598well I mean... don't get me wrong but outside of the emperor the Imperium is a complete and utter joke compared to things like the Eldar at their height, Krorks or the Ctan backed Necrons. The Orks are capable of holding their own against them and they did evolve something that could have been a single Krork or was nearly a Krork in the form of the Beast in response to the Primarchs. It took them time to evolve them all but it did eventually happen. I am sure the scale of the threat too would increase the speed of their evolution.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Well the Eldar were able to keep that from happening for millions of years by pruning their population size so the forerunners might be able to as well.

[@santhinal7767]

@@seekingabsolution1907 oh I never said the forerunners would lose! I just meant they would have a MUCH harder time than Pancreas was saying they would. Especially given the Krocks are just as good as Orks at technology theft.

[@高若嵩-t6r]

The problem is Orks need to fight and *survive* against strong enemies to become stronger. This is the most popular theory on how the Beast became a thing, Orks left to fight with each other for thousands of years. If you never make it past "survive," well...

[@idcgaming518]

5:31 "the usual ork number of yes" love that line.

[@Pybbles]

Could the Forerunners accidentally create a new chaos god or entity along with the mantel of responsibility. the only thing that would need to be know is their footprint in the warp. As didn't the ancient eldar have very similar. whatever they wanted to exist tech before the birth of slaanesh

[@seekingabsolution1907]

The forerunners have rich and disciplined spiritual lives based around the philosophical precepts of the Mantel which I can't help but think would be a great help against chaotic corruption, they even say prayers to it, given the scale of their population if they would have a footprint in the warp they'd birth a warp god of the mantel pretty quickly.

[@7503funkymonkey]

@@seekingabsolution1907 The thing is that the Warp is known for taking good things and turning it bad. Each of the 4 Chaos gods started out as good concepts. Khorne started out as honor, Slaanesh was self-improvement and self-satisfaction, Tzeentch was hope for something better, and Nurgle was perseverance and the will to endure adversity. It's just that the emotions started to run out of control when taken on the galactic scale and were corrupted and reverted into their current forms. Humanity's faith endures because humans no longer worship a concept. They worship a person who happens to be psychically alive (even if physically dead) and so can put direct the power of that faith. In many ways, it's a more primitive form of religion, but oddly enough, that's what makes it effective. The Craftworld Eldar are known to practice supremely disciplined lifestyles in their Path system as a way to stave off Chaos corruption, but it's always been clear that they barely keep Chaos at bay, and if it wasn't for their use of soul stones and the Webway as a psychic refuge, their souls would be devoured by Chaos, Slaanesh in particular. Assuming Forerunner souls register in the Warp, a God of the Mantle of Responsibility could pretty quickly be twisted into a malevolent entity, perhaps becoming the God of Domination, resonating with the basic instinct of a person seeking to dominate another. Ur-Didact seemed to embody this kind of twisted conception of the Mantle when he insisted that the Mantle was for the Forerunners and Forerunners alone, showing that to at least some not-insignificant portion of the Forerunner population used the Mantle as a cover for their own desire to dominate others, the same way Colonial European powers used to argue that as the Civilized People of the world, they had the duty to colonize the savages of the world and enlighten them, when we all know that that is just a load of self-serving bullshit (though no doubt, there were at least some Europeans who honestly believed in the White Man's Burden).

[@jammin1881]

@@seekingabsolution1907 Any sentient emotion or thought evencoukd stir the warp. Worship even could and can stir the warp.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

@@7503funkymonkey on the other hand the Eldar gods are manifested to some degree by the disciplined focused psychic power of the Eldar at the height of their civilisation. Those gods, those that survived remain protectors of the eldar well into the 42nd millennium. The warp manifestation of the Tauva in turn saved the 4th sphere of expansion fleet. It seems pretty clear that if enough people with a connection to the warp focus and indeed worship a concept as benevolent it will be benevolent. The chaos gods are a reflection not of worship and devotion but of the common experiences of soul bearing life forms and the reason they're so cruel and brutal is because they reflect the general state of the galaxy. Everyone is morally compromised and corrupt or more accurately everyone expects life to be corruption and suffering and to come to the worst because their loves have taught them it can't be any other way so the beings born from their collective subconscious world are amoral and corrupt and don't work to make the galaxy better.

[@bovineavenger734]

@@jammin1881 Which is why the Emperor was such a massive fedora.

[@artoriasjim9638]

I feel like , while the forerunners are in fact super op, you arent giving enough credit to the corruption found within the forerunner society, remember they were originally going to be passed up on the mantle and in turn killed their creators as a result. they also completely viewed humanity as less than them, seeing them as little more than evolved apes. while they can travel across the galaxy in such a shorter time span, they also have way more enemies to fight than in their universe. they fought just humanity and then the flood, and in the end, lost. Being split across the entire galaxy in an unending war will hurt their capabilities. again another thing to note is that the necrons have a computer that can blow up any star in the galaxy, theyre also completely immune to the halo arrays. theyre strong but theyre not "fight all of the grimdark future at once" strong

[@陳潔明-w6y]

To be honest, even the Necrons couldn't face the entire galaxy full of enemies...

[@rustedaxe2018]

I think it would be fair to say that if they were put in that situation that both united them and pushed them to the limit they would be on that level. Definitely if they understood the extent of the threat.

[@陳潔明-w6y]

@Trịnh Vinh pointless He wasn't entirely... Wrong, though... I would still argue Necrons had several advantages in tech, but that wouldn't be enough to turn the tide or anything... In fact, he still missed a lot of feats the Forerunners could and have performed...

[@derpherp7432]

One of the Forerunners AIs betrayed them. I suspect that means Chaos would have a pretty easy time dividing forerunner society and causing a civil war just like it did to the imperium.

[@brendandonohue2398]

Expect forerunner era halo humans and the flood curb stomp anything short of the necrons so the forerunners going in is like a fully grown dude going from fighting two other fully grown dudes to fighting a class of toddlers

[@omegalettexyphonophore3111]

Also the sentinels and if the Halo 4 stuff is included, the Forerunners don’t even have to use their own armies of their own people. They just send a few observers or Warrior servants to make sure that the billions of sentinels and converted machine Prometheans they send in do their job properly.

[@Toaster8871]

Yeah the forerunners would basically wipe the floor with the imperium