Pandora's Box || Mythology with Dael Kingsmill

[@legendzero6755]

This line got a big laugh from me: "Wuh oh kids, it looks like our hyper clever trickster deity just left the guardianship of mankind to his brother, the archetypal fool."

[@ZzGeWizZ]

I think I like the idea that it was Prometheus's own hope, tucked away for safekeeping

[@KBTibbs]

Oofta. Makes that rock and eagle situation so much worse.

[@Sphinx0514]

"Pandora's Jar" 🤔 I can imagine marketing department saying "could use some work"

[@trynda1701]

I always find it interesting when we hear alternate names from the one we're used to (or in this case, a mistranslation). If that mistranslation hadn't happened, we would be used to the original, and wouldn't be having this reply! 😉😂😂😂

[@austinsebben1402]

The box thing reminds me I heard once that Kronos and Chronos were completely separate people who got merged because they sounded the same

[@MonarchsFactory]

I've heard similar here and there - I should really look into that, see what's up

[@KBTibbs]

Look, if doors can be ajar, so can boxes.

[@vengefularia]

My mythology buff girlfriend squealed when you mentioned Epimetheus (she had a tattoo of him opening the jar), thank you so much for this gift

[@cOmAtOrAn]

I think the hope in a jar thing is best interpreted as "hope never leaves without permission". After all, the seal on the jar is broken, hope isn't trapped there, it just didn't leave.

[@autumndidact6148]

I interpret it as hope is the one thing we keep deep inside ourselves, while all the bad things are out in the world and can strike at random

[@Phoenix-wh1vh]

I read that the greeks believed that hope was a chaos, it leads to believing you could escape fate, which could have dire consequences.

[@emilyhelms-tippit4053]

I wonder if a thing being in the box means it is under our control. Nobody can stop things like illness or death, but we can still choose to hope. When I was told this story by my mom as a kid, she said hope was born out of the escape of the evils, like when evil exists but is not in you, you are able to hope. I always liked that.

[@wyrdsworth]

I always had the same interpretation! The horrors "escape" and are free to act on us. "Hope" is a trait you only need in the face of horrors (depending), abd it's also bot an "external" force to humans, hence the metaphor of it "staying", not "in the jar" as in "trapped", but as in "ours". And he's the god of forethought, so conceivably planned for his brother to fail!

[@brianvw2724]

Is this why women were then cursed to have trouble opening jars?

[@angelalewis3645]

This is correct!

[@mikematchett834]

Love that speaking to dogs is up there with the meaning of life! "...jar was full of good things that were gifts to mankind - things like immortality, the meaning of life, the ability to speak to dogs..." Maybe there is still hope because somewhere out there is the ability to speak to dogs!

[@StubbornProgrammer]

What's interesting about this closer look at the story is that it reveals a deep tendency in humanity to just smile and nod and pretend it all makes sense just because a story sounds good. Clearly abundant attentiveness and critical thinking were some of the gifts that escaped the jar. Now we have to work at it!

[@stewi009]

Yo that's deep. What is Hesiod intentionally wrote an inconsistent ending that managed to sound good on the surface just so he could have a laugh at all the people who applauded the story without noticing the incongruity?

[@yesac100]

'I think it was lost to the horrors' Me: I was there Gandalf, I was there 3000 years ago.

[@Croutonium]

Ngl, every time I click on these videos, I'm half-expecting the intro to be the realization that the camera hasn't been recording for an entire filming session.

[@raymondgomes9947]

lol “overcome the fashion faux-pass of mixing silver and gold” I love this channel.

[@austinsebben1402]

Perhaps the author thought that because the gods are cruel, Hope itself is actually evil, so the best you can do in a world full of evil is not have hope? Fun story!

[@angelalewis3645]

“Now you have a fun fact that you can annoy people with at parties, like I do.” 😂

[@chrisrohlfing6585]

Mwah! Chef kiss! So this brings whole new life to the Whiskey In A Jar song. Hope and Whiskey hanging out there in the jar. Peeps be trying to crawl into that jar nightly for a little hope and some ‘skey, saying “Well the evils all cleared out, maybe I’ll just hang out here tonight!” Thought I’d leave you with that. Love you, Dael! Wish we could hang out, you crack me up!

[@Dmcharles85]

I love how clear and coherent your mythology videos are. I'd love to see you tackle the Tuatha Dé Danann.

[@MikChaos]

I love you that you keep your bloopers in at the start.

[@Enn-]

If I die while learning of mythology, history, or gaming with Dael... it will have been a decent way to go.

[@japanimationman4442]

The theory I heard somewhere around the internet was that hope was really referring to hubris, the idea that you would dare to hope that the gods's plans for you could be overturned. Since this is a very notable theme in stories like Oedipus Rex, there's some logic to this. Still doesn't explain why it stayed trapped in the jar, though. But if I may make my own theory, or rather a personal revision to improve the story, I would say that by being trapped in the jar, we had those evils under control. Now that they are freed, we cannot stop the gods from using them to ruin our lives. But we still have hope. It is ours, and we can use it as we wish. The gods cannot take it away from us, or use it against us.

[@Chop0240]

I love all MonarchsFactory videos!

[@imboredidid1]

I've been loving the uptick in content. Thank you Dael!

[@cas9574]

It was actually a door.

[@MonarchsFactory]

lol, when is a box not a box

[@mingbritson]

LOVE LOVE LOVE all your stuff!!!

[@dannythach-song]

Story time with Dael is my favorite!!

[@wraithreaper22]

Another apocalyptic day with the lovely DAEL KINGSMILL! 🥰

[@micmacbacsi]

For a few seconds I was like "but I already know about Pandora and her box, more or less ever...", well I had no time to finish that though before "well I was wrong" hit. Thanks for all the added enlightenment!

[@mcolville]

In my experience, hindsight is 50/50

[@alanhilder1883]

Though some people wear "rose coloured glasses" and don't see the damage their decisions did.

[@JamesMillsNeutralBase]

Well, I just figured out a cool final quest for my ttrpg. Find Pandora's Jar and release hope into the world.

[@angelalewis3645]

I love it!

[@chaoshead87]

Good video, thanks for enlightening me.

[@jn36838]

Maybe the "Hope" that was trapped in the jar is a form of hope that we have no understanding of because we were saved from it

[@christopherjohnston989]

Always love listening to your mythology stories.

[@rangereric18]

"Holy Miranda!" 😂

[@mudcrab3420]

Talk to Dogs? "Who's a good Dog? Who's a good Dog?" Yup. Still got it :D

[@Sagittarian1202]

Dael I can't help but feel like your appreciation for poetry and Greek mythology would make you a prime candidate for doing a video analysis of Hozier's album Unreal Unearth.

[@Castheknotted]

Kratos, taking promethius: "Boy!"

[@SchmeanYT]

telling the story of pandora's box would make for a great question on dropout's 'um actually' where the incorrect part of the statement is that it was a box

[@generalkayel]

Love your videos Dael. Thank you for sharing your process with the jar, very entertaining.

[@abenerice]

Thank you for amazing mythology nd storytelling

[@BlizzardofKnives]

Can’t remember where I got this version of the story, but I remember being told that hope was in the box as it kept humans alive for the gods to torture, and as it’s in the box it’s within humanity’s control.

[@hcazmail]

Where's the jar with Speak-to-Dogs in it? I must go on a quest!

[@theGhoulman]

I need an explanation for 'holy Miranda' Australia.

[@zizzmain6782]

my grandma gonna love this one

[@Castheknotted]

I like to think the jar is what humanity can contain within them, so we let out (enact) the violence and deception and all bad things. Thus, effecting other people. But deep in our soul jar we can cling on to hope.

[@HS-iw1ed]

Take a look inside... it's my hope in a jar!

[@wynq]

My understanding was that Prometheus had packed Hope at the bottom of the box/jar as a failsafe in case it was ever opened. In that case, Hope would destroy or negate all of the bad things. But Hope got trapped in the box/jar. And as a result, when bad things happen to us, we have "Hope" that Hope will escape and relieve us of our misery. When all else fails, there is at least Hope out there, maybe to be released and save us.

[@trynda1701]

Another interesting video, Dael. I love all the MonarchsFactory videos. 👍👍👍👍😎😎😎😎

[@dvssicarius]

Great video!

[@ShaneKennedy-gt8nl]

Thank you.

[@vigilantsycamore8750]

The first time I read the Pandora story was in Polish and there the name was translated as "Puszka Pandory" - meaning "Pandora's Tin" Like a tin of cookies, except instead of cookies you get the various ills and sufferings that plague mankind I always found that funny

[@diogenesthemimic6676]

My thought would be that Hope decided to 'stay' in the jar voluntarily. Hope isn't something is simply abandoned easily. You have to give it up willingly. Hope can be used as a great good or great evil. Prometheus probably saw it as a 'possible evil' instead of a clear gift.

[@bAd12cheZ]

woo!! a mythology video!!!

[@soccerandtrack10]

4:37 this is going to be EPIc!!!

[@alanhilder1883]

Hope was left in the jar as hope is part of faith, without the "evil" of religion, so the time spent in the jar distilled hope out of faith and when the jar was opened, all the "evil" parts escaped but the "non-evil" part was left behind. So there is no hope out in the world but the evil faith is everywhere. ;-)

[@gregputnam7243]

When it comes to "Why was Hope in the Jar?" Or "If the Jar contained all the evil of the world, why was Hope in it?" That must mean Hope is evil?" No, I am have come to terms with the undstanding that all of the evil got released into the world but humans persevere, they continue to fight all those negativities and evils because they have Hope for a better future or a better tomorrow. Think about it, part of this story depicts Pandora as the First Female so she is representing Humanity in a way. Sure, she let out all the Evils by mistake or intrigue or curiosity but Hope stayed because she believed Humanity would fight it. If she let it out, she is letting Hopelessness in the world. A world without Hope

[@SethRGray]

I've read a theory that there used to be a god in Greek mythology that got merged with early Zeus that used to have a jar of misfortunate fates, and a jar of fortunate ones, and that perhaps this is a seedling of that idea (perhaps Zeus promised it was the good jar, but it actually wasn't or something).

[@PyrotechNick77]

There is something symbolic about Kratos (Strength) dragging Prometheus (Forethought) away.

[@justforplaylists]

I read a couple versions (probably modern interpretations). In one, hope is kept because the evils would have destroyed it. In the other, it was drudgery that was not released (so, anti-hope).

[@mattd5857]

You know I never really thought about it but the whole "hope being in the box/jar with all the evils" is a really weird thing we just kind of accept.

[@lydiasteinebendiksen4269]

Maybe they were like siphons, like evil entities which ate all the good stuff which is why we run out of all the cool things like money, beauty, health, etc. but the one thing we don't (have to ) run out of, and can keep forever if we just don't let go is hope. So it's like Æsop's version with good stuff, but their negations manifest, so it's not that we have access to hope bc we have it in a jar, but that we don't have to contend with the forceful removal of hope because the bugger that would eat our hope is still stuck in the jar?

[@thactotum]

2:40 this whole section was rather jarring

[@3ndlessL00p]

I know, I love it

[@toonezon4836]

i love all your videos

[@VegtamTheWonderer]

A version of it I read replaced "hope" with "knowledge of the future" so that humanity was not able to see how it would suffer in the future and be hopeless. Probably not accurate but it makes way more sense, anyway.

[@retu3510]

Nietzsche was like: hope was put in the jar with all the other bad stuff, because it is "the worst of all evils for it prolongs the suffering"

[@OldZean]

i the telling i know, pandora opens the box/jar once again because she hears a voice. and thus hope comes into the world. hope was in there out of foresight: should the evils ever be released, at least humans would have hope!

[@ernestvanophuizen461]

Maybe go and check in with king Sisyphus for his take on Hope. I actually think that's what Hermes is talking about in Hadestown when he says: Cuz here's the thing to know how it ends and still begin to sing as if it might turn out this time. I learned that from a friend of mine

[@toonezon4836]

i could have sworn you already did the pandora story, but this was still fun

[@MonarchsFactory]

Yeah, I did it for Geek & Sundry back in the day, but most of those video have been unlisted by them for no real reason :(

[@demetrinight5924]

Hope was left in the jar so humanity could be given Hope. Or something to that effect. Prometheus being the god of forethought makes sense to have him put Hope in the jar so that humanity would have it when all the evils were let out. He knew it would happen eventually just not as quickly as it did happen.

[@dantherpghero2885]

Why would you name your daughter after a music streaming app?

[@CitanulsPumpkin]

Hope staying in the jar/box is just one of those things that sticks around because too many people in the audience are idiots who missed the point. You know. Like all the people today who say Thanos and the Joker were right.

[@ascottbriscoe]

I like to think that the bad escaped out and hope was sucked in..... and we're doomed.

[@JosephSmith-ex7du]

"Pandora's Box" is a song by Aerosmith that, in part, goes: "Sweet Pandora "Godlike aura "Smelling like a flora "Open up your door for me "Sweet Pandora "Mama crack a smile for me" I didn't even mention the "slity licker" stanza.

[@ebonstone2980]

Holy Miranda, Batman!

[@TheNerdySimulation]

Feel like you could interpret Hope as a bad thing given the idea you're as pessimistic as Hesiod. It becomes a representation of how you can't have good things and instead only wish things were better for you. But I also 100% think it was someone trying to be clever and not thinking it through with possibility of another mistranslation.

[@LuizCesarFariaLC]

There's also: Whiskey in the jar... oh yeah!

[@HorizonOfHope]

Interesting point: it’s never actually stated in the myth who opened the box; blaming Pandora (as the woman) became more common as Christians translated it. In the myth it was opened by “a mortal.” Epimetheus opened it in some versions. But we still call it Pandora’s box.

[@shadesofgray9]

Im thinking of turning the Dnd item Pyxis of pandemonium into a pandoras box type item, more like the 7 deadly sins though.

[@angelalewis3645]

Holy Miranda. 🙏🏻

[@Knightmare_69]

Still would be willing to adopt you. You are the sweetest, brightest and charismatic woman on KZbin :)

[@RJeremyHoward]

Hope may have been the thing keeping all of the evils contained...? Like, it was what the lid of the jar was pressing down on top of all of the evils to keep them contained...? That's the best I've got... in hindsight.

[@Ellanion]

Hope leads to ambition which leads to hubris which leads to nemesis which leads to being chained to a rock.

[@MonarchsFactory]

That's my favourite star wars quote

[@ebonstone2980]

Pandora's Hermetically-Sealed Jar just doesn't roll off the tongue...

[@pretsal4955]

I mean, I'd probably be off my game too if my parents called me "Afterthought"

[@lynyamasaki4045]

I loled multiple times 😂

[@VictorLHouette]

The gifts for humanity rather than evils is a version i like for actually making some sort of sense. I've always been annoyed by the hope thing! And if the story is already a mishmash of various tellings then it is only true to the tradition to alter it in later retellings anyway!

[@p0etrygh0st]

Maaan I missed Daels myths

[@JamesMillsNeutralBase]

Image: Brad Pitt from Se7en meme, labeled "Pandora" and captioned "What's in the jar?!"

[@shallendor]

Words are Hard!

[@MonarchsFactory]

Everything was a tongue twister that day, oof

[@post1084]

I'm waiting for the story of "Dael's Portmanteau (sense 1)" and what it contained , other than spite .

[@ebonstone2980]

The Jar was full of mayonnaise. Mayonnaise is all the evils unleashed onto the world.

[@arlaxazure486]

I always thought because Hope didnt get out, mankind could control it. Because what's the one thing Hope prevents? Acceptance. If you caught the plague, Hope would tell you its okay, you'll recover with bed rest. Keep making promises to your kids how you'll play as soon as you're better. No need for medicine, Hope tells you it'll all just be a memory soon. Acceptance says you'll likely die if the condition does not improve. You'll need to prepare for the worse and make sure your family can go on without you. Hope is not always a good thing. At least with it in control, you have power over it. All other evils are seemingly out of our control. Again, this was just my interpretation.

[@aqacefan]

I rather think that Hope stayed in the jar/box because it got caught on a coil of metal and won’t ever come out. Because Hope springs eternal.

[@ejoperson]

we don't store as many things in jars now days.

[@The_McRib]

I listened to this without the video, so the part that you had to repeat about the box being a mistranslation surprised me. It was quite jarring, you might say.

[@abdelrahmanmustafa8937]

My family name is Ballat which actually translate Monarch Factory

[@karonbeilunka6845]

All hell breaking loose when you try to talk about Pandoras jar... Better be careful... 😉

[@noodleart7588]

Couldn’t help but notice you have a stray kids shirt on. Are you a stay? You just got even cooler in my book.