Papa Nick Reacts to the Ken Tamplin Fiasco!

Does Ken Tamplin lip-sync? Is it live? Are the good folks at Wings of Pegasus envious? Who can you believe? These questions and more are asked in this week's video!
And for reference (and source for humor), here is Ken Tamplin's response video: • Ken Tamplin Responds T...
#wingsofpegasus #fil #kentamplin #lipsyncing #wellthatsjustlikeyouropinionman

[@agirotto1]

Ken's response really gave that sociopath vibe, where a person, even when caught red-handed, is still wearing his lies

[@somebodysoon]

Yeah, Ken's gaslighting in the response video is beyond cringe.

[@brianjames5685]

If you corner them they do begin to malfunction and say nonsensical things. I think that would describe Ken's recent rants and denials.

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

It's the faux indignation that gets to me. I say 'faux', but I think Ken is actually genuinely incensed that he is being challenged, despite being guilty as sin

[@ConorHanley]

Never heard of Ken Tamplin till last night but apart from him proved to have lip-synced and even fake guitar playing on video he was also outed as a complete narcissistic dickhead though I can't imagine that wasn't known beforehand. I also watched a video 'proving' his KZbin subscribers were mostly paid for at 10K every month.

[@ChuckHickl]

sounds a lot like another person that has been in the news frequently over the last few years.

[@spiffokeen]

Tamplín is the kind of guy that would get in the elevator with only you, fart, and then tell you that you did it.

[@frodobaggins7252]

Literally laughed out loud! So true...

[@mrmojoridin]

Ken Tamplon The Parrot King

[@joeyvanostrand3655]

And nearly convince you that it was you that streaked your britches.

[@avstryker]

The real issue is that a lot of his sycophants would believe they did.

[@alfromtx245]

Or tell you that he hasn't farted in literally every elevator he's ever been in. In fact, he has followers who can identify at least 100 elevators he hasn't farted in. So clearly your accusation is wrong and you're just a hater.

[@JesseFinkBooks]

Tamplin not only denied lip syncing in his pathetic response video, it appears he hides comments on his KZbin channel about it!

[@boag3144]

but hes a Christian!

[@otallono]

and he's abused those services that provide fake comments on many of his videos and it's very obvious because they're all saying the same thing lol

[@EgorLappo]

I legit was like "it can't be that bad" until I commented something on 10+ comment thread and the next day the whole thread was deleted

[@JdeBP]

Indeed @devon-graves-studio-D (for just one concrete example) has had such a comment deleted. Xe (Devon) shows the comment being made 1 day ago in xyr video (kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYqcemN8ZtWmd7c). It no longer exists, as I write this, at Tamplin's video where Devon commented (kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnTHo6aJos2jgKM).

[@ProMr.FrazierXV]

I hear this was the case even before the claims. That should tell you how much of a power trip that man is on.

[@Naniamania3]

Fil is a consistently excellent content provider. For those not familiar with his channel - please check it out. The issue with Ken is layered. 1. He is dishonest and deceptive and has been so for quite some time to sell himself and his courses. Experienced musicians have seen this in his content all along. Fil finally put him in the lab and under the microscope and provides unrefutable proof. 2. Ken is unnecessarily critical of artists with exceptional talents and careers and creates content attempting to assert he is better than these artists. 3. Ken’s braggadocio is legendary and unsubstantiated. 4. Ken lacks what every truly great artist has in spades - humility and humbleness. His character has lead to his downfall.

[@robvoyles]

lol

[@bjornlangoren3002]

Yup. For a Christian singer he sure suffers from several of the mortal sins. Hubris, arrogance, vanity, and a lot of the cheating points to sloth as well. For the live performance, he had 2 options to compensate for reduced range. He could have sung a different note, maybe an octave down or a different chord note, or at less intensity. Or the band could have transposed the whole thing down a note or so. Piece of cake for session players, but would require some work for lesser bands. And, if they already play guitar in dropped D or such, imagine having to go to dropped C, or lower, or if not changing the tuning, use different fingering, maybe an octave up in spots. So there you have it. Vanity, hubris, and sloth, hand in hand.

[@Naniamania3]

@@bjornlangoren3002correct. He’s been getting away with it for so long I’m sure he thought there would be no issue and none the wiser. And as we’ve said - in the absence of humility and in the interest of continuing the ruse, he continue the elaborate deception. And then there’s the issue of vanity…same reason people get plastic surgery, hair plugs, Botox, etc. Ken should just accept his new reality, and learn to live within the boundaries of his current physical abilities. Many great singers do. I guess he missed that whole ‘pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall’ thing. What a tangled web we weave…

[@trentvlak]

All he has to say is, "yeah, I got old. I'm trying to get by. The proof is in the singing...of my students"

[@Naniamania3]

@@trentvlak exactly. He’s built a brand that asserts a vocal coach has to be able to have the skill level and ability to perform amazing feats. That’s not true of a coach. A coach is a teacher and mentor who brings out the best in each student. Don Shula wasn’t out on the field but he coached teams to a record number of wins. I don’t think Ken’s ego will accept the true aspect of coaching seeing as his courses state that he’ll teach you to sing better than anyone else…himself included.

[@johnzimmermann2953]

He's a con man. That's why he went after the religious first.

[@zachary_attackery]

I like how he thinks he he proved everyone wrong by yelling YEEEEAAAAHHHHHH

[@Watchoutforsnakez]

@@zachary_attackery oh yeah. Sic burn on us🤣🤣🤣

[@jopp3786]

HEY-EY-EY-EY-EY-EY-EY-EY-EY-EY-EY-EY-EY-EY-EY-EY-AGHHH "The proof is in the syncing"

[@TruthSurge]

HEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEYEEAAAAAAAYAAAAH..... yeah you are but what am I?

[@AnthonyUK100]

Can you?

[@TruthSurge]

@@AnthonyUK100 sure. HEEEYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYYEEAAAAAH!

[@relentlessrescue260]

It’s the Santana/Hendrix facial expressions Ken makes while pretending to play that gets me 😂

[@dubmaster01]

I have guitarded friends that exhibit these cringey countenances and then always look over to make make sure you're looking at them when they appear to be taking a painful dump.

[@DerekDominoes]

Tamplin's vocals, lip synced or not, are lousy. He's basically a dollar store Sammy Hagar.

[@mojorisin8368]

Correct. He looks in pain and has never really had a good sounding voice.

[@richardhughes515]

Ken actually says that Sammy is his cousin.

[@DerekDominoes]

@@richardhughes515 And Sammy has apparently confirmed this while saying he barely knows Tamplin.

[@Durwood71]

I actually like his voice, but he's strictly a studio singer where he has the benefit of multiple takes that can be edited together. It has been proven beyond any doubt that he can't pull it off live.

[@HumbleTrader001]

@@Durwood71Yeah, Robert Plant lost a lot of upper range and doesn’t ever pull a Ken Tamplin.

[@Joe.M]

Ken's a modern-day Snake-oil salesman.

[@robvoyles]

Ken is either a genius or got lucky, or maybe he and Wings of Pegasus are in this together racking up attention and clicks, that = money on KZbin, because look at all these people talking about Ken now, and just because it's negative, it can still produce positive results for him....Dude is slick and knows what he's doing, He's playing all of these people like a fiddle and laughing all the way to the internet click bank. People buy snake oil in droves, but can't unless they know where to get it, with all this attention, know they know where to go to buy it. Thanks to Wings of Pegasus. lol

[@thornbird6768]

Love it 😂😂

[@rjh9220]

A musical Ken Copeland... Another religious snake oil salesman.

[@justinmcquaide4862]

lol perfect 👌

[@thomastucker5686]

Ken is a Jesus salesman and just as creepy as Joel Osteen. This con artists prey on the gullible.

[@KevinHallSurfing]

I wouldn't have known your channel existed from simply watching Fil's videos but you can thank Ken for binging me here.😆😂 Subbed 🤩

[@don7294]

Ken claims to be the best volcalist and guitarist in the world, while denigrating some of the best vocalists in history. That is all you need to know. I am a classically trained vocalist and performed for over 25 years and branched out into rock in the 70's. I cringe when I watch Ken strain so much while singing and I don't think his technique is healthy. Ken mimes while singing and playing the guitar while claiming he doesn't. Fil uses science and objective data to prove what is happening however, we live in a post science/truth world where many folks don't care. Like Lance Armstrong, Ken will be crucified until he decides honesty is the best policy. Thanks for bringing up logic and logical fallacies. Education is so important and I really enjoyed the logic courses I took at University. Thanks for sharing.

[@otallono]

We don't live post science/truth, we just don't always know who to trust. People have to be careful knowing when "science" is actually science. Fil was using real science, Dr. Fauci wasn't, for example.

[@devon-graves-studio-D]

I agree with Ken's poor technique. It gives me pause to consider where his lies end. He claims to have spent over a million dollars on his voice, having been trained by... he won't mention because, get this, "It would sound too braggadocious". Can't make this stuff up.

[@SuziQ.]

@@devon-graves-studio-D, He has claimed to have trained with Ron Anderson and a bel canto guy in Italy. I can’t look that up anymore, because he edited his Wikipedia and his IMDb page. This is ironic and hilarious, considering how he treated Fil, regarding Fil’s audition on Britain’s Got Talent: Ken’s claims to fame include training KZbin singers, and AGT, the Voice, etc. contestants. You were kinder than the situation warranted.

[@devon-graves-studio-D]

@@SuziQ. Funny stuff! You know? I'm going through a lot of his "how to sing like..." videos and I'm just getting madder and madder. But it is not self-torture, I'm doing this for a reason, because he is oh so wrong about so many things, and I want to put it right for singers trying to accomplish certain things.

[@victortang2125]

@@SuziQ. I used Ken’s Course and exercises, and even had a face to face lesson with him. I had successes in Australias Got Talent and Spains Got Talent. On hindsight, I would’ve done a lot better sticking to my other current voice coaches. Ken, in my real life experience, was and is a waste of time.

[@danehlers9989]

FIL from Wings of Pegasus is a fantastic musician and singer as well... ❤ Just sayin... He not just the wierd science guy we're all gettin' to know so well... 🤷🏿 😏 ❤ 🤖

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@danehlers9989 I deeply admire Fil for his content and his perspective.

[@longsnapper5381]

I like Fil and watch his channel very often. If he's such a fantastic musician and singer perhaps you could direct me to a site where I could buy tickets for his shows on tour?

[@Terri_MacKay]

​@@longsnapper5381 That seems like a strange, and completely irrelevant question.

[@longsnapper5381]

@@Terri_MacKay Well, to someone so dense, strange, and irrelevant, such as yourself, that is not surprising.....

[@josequins9099]

@@Terri_MacKay yeah, sus.

[@komoru]

Milli Vanilli said it best: "Girl you know it's.....girl you know it's girl you know it's....girl you know it's.....girl you know it's"

[@nethbt]

I literally fell off my chair when he critiqued the Great Freddie Mercury, it's just ...lol... he's the only person to ever do that on KZbin 😂

[@flyingstratosurfer6285]

I just figure out the reaction of Montserrat Caballé if Ken Tamplin came to her suggesting a duet with him: "I can do better than Freddie, believe me!"

[@truckerkevthepaidtourist]

He also shitt on Al Green

[@jamesgullo8240]

@@truckerkevthepaidtourist I saw that. Un freakin believeable!

[@alfromtx245]

The response from Ken's followers is not as monolithic as he would have you believe. Those of us who are asking legitimate question have been blocked, ghosted, etc. I've been a fan of Ken's since high school (I'm 51 now) and a student of his for almost 10 years. Something seemed off when watching the concert video. He seemed to be struggling with tone and pitch on some of the lower parts, but was perfectly nailing the higher parts. That alone doesn't make sense. But when Fil perfectly lined up the concert vocal with the original studio vocal, it was a no brainer. Then Ken's response, or I should say "lack of actual response", made it even worse. I've unsubscribed from his channel and email list. I'm also not recommending his singing course anymore.

[@alanna8983]

Fil Henley is a top notch guy! I've watched him for several years and he's always been a solid character. Fil knows his stuff!

[@jeffwilson201]

Thank you for your accurate defense of Fil. I hope that Ken Tamplin can set aside his pride and embrace his middle age voice.

[@MadcapShambleton]

Thank you for the refreshing, light-hearted, genuine take on the matter!

[@marilynmiller1844]

I've been watching Fil for a few years, starting with his analyses of general music. Not so much pitch correction, etc. You can tell, if you have eyes and ears, that Fil is the biggest fan of music. The joy on his face when he sees an amazing act can't be faked. I think one reason he has pushed this point is that he values integrity in music, and is saddened to see the life sucked out of live performances. The imperfections in live music remind me of playing vinyl--it 's not perfect sound, but there's something indescribably comforting about it. Nick, thanks for your perspective! Everyone forgets that people are very forgiving--look at Hugh Grant, Rob Lowe, Robert Downey Jr, as a few examples. Even that southern cooking lady is back on TV. The one thing we seem to like more than forgiveness for their mistakes is taking people down a notch or two when they fail to admit them.

[@josequins9099]

Fil wears his heart on his sleeve (face?) When watching his breakdowns I don't watch the software graph, I watch his face. Cute smile? Legit performance. Sad, disappointed face? Pitch correction or autotune.

[@1okedoke]

Yes Fil is awesome!!

[@1okedoke]

Absolutely ❤

[@ElfieBrown-i6s]

I love the way you explained Fil's integrity. ❤

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

I think, to be completely fair, Fil's second video did have a little more of an edge to it compared to his normal presentation. And rightly so!

[@yuriperez1221]

Well he was being badly insulted.

[@mojorisin8368]

Fils a nice dude but i don't like how he pretends he only went on a talent show to expose it. He clearly didn't as he didn't do anything crazy in his first audition and he also made a separate music video of that song walking around with his top off and stuff. He wanted to get famous and there's nothing wrong with that, just own it bud. His appearance on the show inadvertently exposed that if you just act crazy you'll get to Wembley, but he certainly wasn't trying to do that from the off.

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

@@mojorisin8368 I actually haven't watched those videos but I definitely will now. I recall him mentioning his appearance on X Factor and I think your assessment of his claim is on the money. I'll repost when I've seen those vids

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

@@mojorisin8368 I should have asked - What do you think betrays Fil's true motivation for auditioning on X Factor, by the way?

[@deed.3230]

@@mikeydflyingtoasterBecause most normal ppl would not go through what is required to get and stay on those shows just to prove that you need to act crazy or make a spectacle to survive on them. Though it often helps! Of course he would have loved to win, no matter what he might say about it now.

[@callmealphalfa8425]

It was a 21 fret strat. And his guitar miming is comically awful.

[@staffanberg6747]

lol yea, the guy picked a note that requires a 24 fret. :D Not to mention being able to bend strings he have no finger on, now that is telekenises on a whole new level. :D

[@billsmith3250]

If I'm remembering right, at one point he performed a solo while strumming across all 6 strings. Clearly impossible. He was working the fret board somewhat like the solo on the backing track but was being exceptionally lazy with his right hand. Lol.

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@callmealphalfa8425 That’s right-I misremembered. It was Fil’s guitar that had 22 frets…

[@jibicusmaximus4827]

@@billsmith3250 thats called power picking a funk technique, it can be done but is hard, some poeple leave dead strings in the sound but i have picked out single line parts i may usually play with alternate picking, sound has more weight to it this way, he is miming though yeah lol, you have to turn your wrist in to it to pick out one string too but it looks like a relaxed full strum basically..

[@jibicusmaximus4827]

@@billsmith3250 whammy bar dive was jokes

[@Del-Scent]

Big fan of Fil's been a subscriber for a minute. I watch his videos regularly. Fil is legit. He objectively listened to Kens track and analyzed what he found. Afterwhich, Ken came at Fil. Fil is not the angry " put people down " type of a guy. He calls like it as he see's it, or in this case, hears it.

[@scammell1000]

This is how topics should be addressed, nicely done and looking forward to more.

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@scammell1000 Thanks!

[@mpatterson1673]

Ken claims that he performed at the last supper....

[@marcwhite9234]

My issue isn’t that Ken used the track. I saw Steven Tyler swinging his mic while his voice was screaming over the PA, impossible. The voice ages. They should be lowering the key in these songs like all aging musicians do (at least the smart ones). Michael Sweet of Stryper did a huge announcement on the Stryper FB page telling fans he needs to tune down as an act of transparency. It’s not wrong to age, it’s wrong to pretend that you have range you no longer have, and then double down on it when you’re caught.

[@thebenefactor6744]

This just in. Ken Tamplin switches to baritone.

[@williardbillmore5713]

The proof is in the syncing.

[@libertine5606]

This is Americah, man! Who are YOU going to believe? Me or your lying eyes!

[@PowerScissor]

Not only does he remove comments from his channel on KZbin. There was a thread on reddit I added a comment to....saying to "watch the Pegasus video and judge for yourself" Was immediately removed, reported for self-harm....lol

[@deed.3230]

@@PowerScissor Self harm?

[@ren-x00x]

😂 😂

[@mrmojoridin]

I am the Parrot King , I can do anything! Ken Tamplon 2024

[@margelacosse6502]

A good explanation of what Fil really does with his Wings of Pegasus analysis.

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@margelacosse6502 Thanks!

[@alexleclerc1]

There’s no one more exemplary in character than Ken Tamplin. In fact, not only is there no one better on this earth, but even Jesus himself looks up to Ken Tamplin as a role model. Jesus wears a bracelet that says, ‘What would Ken Tamplin do?

[@Robot8380-r8q]

What are the chances KT suddenly comes down with a "throat infection" and goes on indefinite hiatus?

[@quazink]

After being exposed to lip syncing the high register in parts of a song and then choosing not to immediately come clean, vocal coach Ken Tamplin, instead doubled down. His online response was embarrassing. This frustrated reaction of an aging singer past his prime, revealed a sad and older man's dying ego. I've been watching Fil for years. His vocal analysis videos never bash anyone or have anything to do with any one person including Mr. Tamplin. Through the use of pitch monitoring software, Fil politely asks his listeners to pay attention to what the "music industry" has done to recording artists and the music we buy today. Fil may occasionally get a request to analyze an individuals vocals but stay focused on the bigger picture. Lead vocals and harmonies have been auto tuned, pitch corrected and altered by the record labels. It's great if you still have your library of original vinyl, hang on to it and again, remain focused on the bigger picture. Unless the music industry decides to release the original unaltered recordings, future generations will have lost the ability to purchase and listen to the true artistic talent in original recordings ever again. I.E. recording artist, Freddie Mercury, The Bee Gees, The Eagles etc, etc. The record labels have gone in and altered all these old original recordings and reissued them. This is the sad, unvarnished true story Fil has uncovered and is reporting on. For years now, Fil has been analyzing music (as well as teaching and performing) for us to see and understand what the music industry has done, like an Orwellian nightmare come true, Big Brother now controls (owns) another piece of our soul.

[@richardmaguire9536]

Calling an honest man a liar shows Tamplin (a self declared Christian) has contempt for the truth. He could have saved his reputation as a singer and a coach with an honest admission of the facts and explaining how and why people use studio enhancements, especially older artists. Now it is hard to take him seriously at all. Tamplin is a shameless liar.

[@matthijshebly]

Fil is great 👍🏼

[@thornbird6768]

Love Wings of Pegassus , Fil is a good guy

[@jwmeirose]

@@thornbird6768 I have always found his analyses to be fascinating.

[@Skaarxiong1]

years of lip-syncing has wore out his vocal. i like Ken's Frank Dux story about the time he turned down being Journey's frontman. because Ken had to go fight in a underground tournament on some remote island in Asia call Mortal Kombat. he lip-synced everyone to death. Fatality!

[@DanielThureskog]

His guitar solos blew every fighter off-stage. The ones that were about to fall from the edge, those he finished off by singing out loud.

[@nethbt]

Ken has instantly transformed into a memefied narcissistic wacko 😂😂😂😂

[@rikk319]

He always has been, it's just that the curtain has been drawn back to expose him to those who aren't under his spell.

[@daveshort7371]

Ken is a wacky fruit loop

[@Sally-zo8nh]

Hello Sir, your channel was referenced in the comments beneath Fil’s latest livestream as having a rational and constructive take on this current carry on re Ken Tamplin. Your explanation of the beloved Fil’s approach and your support of his honesty and integrity is appreciated by this new subscriber to your channel.

[@NathanVeenstra]

In hindsight, your conclusion is very accurate and fits how politics today are. Not just in the US, where your analysis fits 100%, but pretty much everywhere. On another note (pretty much literally), I would love to know what you think of the ‘Faking Michael’ podcast. It should be right up your street as it’s also about truth, polarisation and arguments in discussions.

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@NathanVeenstra I’m not familiar with that podcast, but I’ll be looking it up… I don’t listen to many podcasts, especially ones that aren’t based on British comedy (Off Menu, RHLSTP, Taskmaster…). Thanks for the recommendation!

[@thomasmalatesta7331]

" Making the objective into the subjective" - You nailed it !! That's where we are in today's world. Excellent video .

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@thomasmalatesta7331 Thanks!

[@andrewweatherhead4127]

Ken should be a pastor.😂😂

[@jwmeirose]

In anither video I think he does say he is/was an ordained minister.

[@danyavilaoficial]

Indeed …..he is…..sadly…he’s also Sammy Hagar cousin ….can you imagine Eastern family gatherings ? Sammy and Ken in the same room….hahaha… Ken : “…look Sammy….I hit those high notes quite like you !!!…” hahahaha

[@julianne_warren]

Ken Templin's new video on his channel: "It was on a divine visitation, that the Lord told me that I was to go on KZbin. I had the sensation like I was on a merry-go-round. And then the furniture joined in and then I was in the stars! There were stars everywhere; above me, below me, to the left of me, to the right of me. Millions and millions of stars and the Lord said ‘the stars are the new subscribers to your vocal course that you will win for me.’ The Lord actually talks to me, you know, I hear what’s being said, and he said to me ‘Get me $18 million by the weekend’, and the Angel of the Lord stands by my side and speaks into my ear and it’s a beautiful thing and I hear what’s being said. It’s a marvellous, marvellous experience; I never thought such a thing could happen - in the name of Jesus! And the Lord spoke to me: he said ‘Stretch forth your hands, TELL the people to put their hands against yours, and I will heal them. Get me $18 million by the weekend. TOUCH THE SCREEN, BUY MY ACADEMY'S VOCAL COURSES!’"

[@trentvlak]

Has Ken become the Liver King of online music?

[@mstephen6103]

This was a good response to the KT Fiasco. I agree that it's mirroring what's going on currently. A lot of individuals nowadays play fast and loose with the truth while criticizing those who lean more towards the factual side of things. It's downright depressing having to engage individuals who cannot or will not accept objective facts over truth. Mr. Tamplin has every right to defend himself and no one is denying him that, but one has to wonder why he didn't just rest this entire matter after he himself admitted that some backing tracks were used. His talent, whether 30 years ago or today has not been denied. Maybe he needs to amend the slogan for his vocal academy because this fiasco has nothing to do with his ability to teach so dragging this out can only hurt him more.

[@mstephen6103]

I meant to say "Individuals who cannot or will not accept objective facts over lies".

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@mstephen6103 Thanks!

[@hedoban_nord]

Apart from Ken's miming and pretending I really hate that he's deleting negative comments and seems to have a (human?) bot army posting praise about his vocals etc. It's so cringe and dishonest.

[@rjh9220]

I get the feeling a certain someone 'thinks' they are the BEST singer in the world... Legend in their own mind...

[@chadlove3443]

Feel the wrath of Tamplin "YEEEAAAHHHH"

[@syfman6]

Articulate, unbiased, straight to the point video. Well done...💚🎸

[@derzuurzala]

Liked your take on this issue, very well articulated.

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@derzuurzala Thanks!

[@TomHendricksMusea]

This is not just about Ken. Reader, you can push a button and sing with better pitch than anyone who's ever lived .... but its all fake. It's also an industry standard. Pitch monitoring software shows it. AI won the entire music industry with Autotune, Pitch Correction, and Lip Sync concerts. Vocals, faked by the singers and covered up by the media. Widespread vocal fakery by virtually all mainstream acts, then covered up by the music media makes the media fake too. What Happened to Music? 1 Records have fake ai autotuned vocals 2 Sales have crashed since 1999, that's 24 years straight. 3 The Big Three Labels, 3 old men CEOs, control the industry. 4 No hits

[@ConorHanley]

That's so sad and totally true.

[@RevStickleback]

A bit of pitch correction isn't necessarily as bad as some claim. Sure, if you are going through a whole vocal track and having to correct everywhere, it's a bad sign, but the sad truth is that artists just don't have the money to spend weeks in the studio until they get the perfect take these days, so a small bit of correction here and there is understandable. It's just when it's overused, it's bad.

[@TomHendricksMusea]

@@RevStickleback here's my opinion. First as a musician, moderator of music group, editor of arts zine etc, the fake vocals sound very bad, like Astro turf looks. Next when I ask musicians if you've taken 2 hours to learn how to breathe for singing and solve pitch problems, 90% say, no I'd rather push a button. Next most all except a few pop stars record in their own studios and have lots of time to correct singing problems. Use fake if you want, but label it, cause many can tell and it doesn't sound good, it sounds like generic elevator music

[@RevStickleback]

@TomHendricksMusea It depends on the level. For stars with big record label backing, you should have the time and money to do it properly. The irony is that it's often these people make the most egregious use of the software, as they weren't plucked for stardom for their talent. For smaller artists who rely on playing live for income, they can't afford it, and will have to take the odd shortcut. The fact that they are primarily live musicians though will mean that they will have to be at a pretty good level already. Overused auto tune sounds horrible, I agree, but that's not what I am talking about.

[@ryanmattie974]

Tamplin starting mocking Fil in his comments about an X Factor audition he did like 10 years ago, which was mainly what he took personally. Also those that same vocal track from he mentioned was a studio release is also used in a performance from tamplin back in 1989. So like 35 years of lying. And it all could have been avoided if he just came clean in the first place.

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@ryanmattie974 This is what bothers me. I understand why Tamplin is sticking to his guns and insisting that he didn’t lip-sync, but understanding why someone does something isn’t the same as respecting the choice they’re making.

[@jwmeirose]

Fantastically well done overview of the issues. Bravo!😀😀

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@jwmeirose Thanks!

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

I heard Ken Tamplin helped Moses from the mount carrying the stone tablets on his back

[@marilynmiller1844]

Oh, I thought he wrote them...

[@josequins9099]

I heard Ken Tamplin fed thousands of people with just 5 loaves of bread and two fish.

[@HumbleTrader001]

I’m still surprised the news media hasn’t picked up on this story. “Vocal Coach whose slogan is ‘The proof is in the Singing” outed for lip syncing to studio tracks.”

[@JdeBP]

It just doesn't sell. The readership of mainstream news outlets will never have heard of _either_ Fil Henley _or_ Ken Tamplin. It may get coverage in specialist music press, but to most of the world this is just 2 KZbinrs that they have never heard of. The journalist would have to spend most of the article on a backgrounder explaining why anyone even cares what Ken Tamplin does.

[@rap3208]

@@JdeBP It went on tv, late night with Jimmy Fallon

[@SuziQ.]

Fil said on the livestream 9-10 hours ago that his sister called to tell him that this brouhaha made the online news (the Guardian). There were mistakes made by the author (of course).

[@TheBrettWilson]

Something tells me we haven't seen the end of this. His fake subs will be the downfall

[@JdeBP]

@@SuziQ. It is nowhere on _The Guardian_ 's site this morning. Possibly the story has been spiked. Or possibly there has been some confusion, because Fil is in the news this morning _over Céline Dion_ (whom of course people have heard of, unlike Tamplin). There's no sign that Tamplin has been on Fallon over this, moreover. Again, people are possibly getting confused by Tamplin being lampooned by Fallon back in 2010, _recently_ revealed as then re-edited and published by Tamplin. That is not the incident at hand; it happened 14 years ago and does not involve Fil.

[@therealzilch]

Yeah. It's pretty obvious what's going down here. But aside from all that- the mental disorder of narcissism, arrogance, greed, bad vocal technique- let's face it, we are also reveling in this because it's a train wreck, and who doesn't love a good train wreck?

[@moonagedaydream-ohyeah]

The cockatoo's of the world are bringing a class action against Ken for their trademarked tongue usage.

[@Watchoutforsnakez]

I dislike his parrot-like tongue. It was too off putting for me years ago. Is that mean? 😮

[@zoltannemeth8864]

I agree, it just looks so strange. His demeanor screams (literally) of instability.

[@jwmeirose]

@@zoltannemeth8864 The tongue is reminiscent of something in really sleaze porn.

[@mccartney2]

No its vile

[@Sid-gu5qk]

Like he's being throttled by Homer Simpson. 😂😂

[@Watchoutforsnakez]

@ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mugsmahoney]

I luvd Wings of Pegasus, reviewing and analyzing intelligently all sorts of popular music. And I found it very interesting when he first 'uncovered' the use of pitch correction etc. in so many great live music events 'after the fact', and therefore most people would never be able to here the original sound from those concerts ever again. But for me anyways, I don't give a shite about Ken Tamlin, and whether he mimes or pitch corrects or whatever, but not only Tamlin.... all this stuff on Wings of Peg channel regarding which and when some artist is pitch correcting or whatever. Ok, again, I found it interesting when the point was first made by Wings of Pegasus about the crazy use of techniques by artists to make their voices sound better, and that even ole timey great concert films of the greats have been 'voice-tampered with'. But now Wings of Pegasus is just all about using software to analyze voices and see how close to pitch perfect they are.... or to investigate if an artist is singing with performance enhancing electronics. Can he ... Wings of Pegasus... just get back to listening to wonderful performances, and the analyzing, discussing, and evaluating them... And ok, use that pitch monitoring software as a complement once in a while, but don't make the pitch monitoring software the star of the channel. That's what I'd like anyways.. but it seems I'm in the minority. Seems most would rather listen to 20 pieces about the veracity of a youtube vocal coach pitchman, rather than discussing performances by Bob Dylan, Ella Fitzgerald, John Prine, The Slits, The Blind Boys of Alabama, The Holmes Brothers, Joe Cocker, Glen Campbell, The Pogues, Joan Jett, Joan Stafford etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@mugsmahoney I’m sure Fil doesn’t need me to speak on his behalf, but if I were to do that, I’d only point out that Fil does what his audience asks for. I prefer his older analysis videos, too…

[@Terri_MacKay]

All the videos that Fil does are in response to requests he gets from viewers. Viewers send him a particular performance, and ask him to look at it and answer a question about it. Unfortunately, so many performances are pitch corrected now that almost everything he's sent has been PC. He always makes the point that one of the reasons he hates PC is because he doesn't think that the singers he's been asked to look at need it. He's sticking up for the singers, whose individual and unique voices are being ruined by PC, not being made better. He has had lots of requests that don't have anything to do with vocal manipulation, but it does seem to be the thing that most people sending him requests are interested in at the moment. I get tired of it as well, but I know that Fil isn't picking the videos he analyses. I just wish viewers would ask him to look at videos for other reasons. He rarely gets asked to look at guitar players anymore, which was the kind of videos he made when he started his channel.

[@mugsmahoney]

@@PapaNicksMusic yup, obviously this was not the proper forum to vent my grievances about a different channel, so I apologize re that. But anyways, PapaNIck, your forum looks interesting and I will definitely start to check out more of your stuff. So the good news.. there's always a silver lining... best.

[@mugsmahoney]

@@Terri_MacKay yes I do know WOP is all by request, and I've been viewing his channel for many years now. I guess I'm just not as interested, as evidently so many other follower's are, (and forgetting about the whole Ken thang) with Fil spending so much of his analysis on the whole 'pitch software'. I do think his findings using 'scientific' based analysis and evaluation, that the use of PC and other performance enhancing electronic techniques on live historical recordings, is a travesty ..... and an extremely important discovery by him. best.

[@Terri_MacKay]

@@mugsmahoney If you've been watching for a long time, then you'll remember when people were asking interesting questions about interesting performances by interesting musicians/singers. There are a few singers and bands that I only know about from watching Fil's channel. I really wish we could get back to that. He's said that anyone can download the pitch monitoring software and use it themselves. If I was really that curious about a song, that's what I would do. I don't know why others aren't doing that...they could get an answer to their question in a matter of minutes. But its request after request asking if a performance has been pitch corrected. If its a recent performance there's a 99.99% chance that it has been. I'm only really interested when it turns out that a much older performance has been pitch corrected. I've sent him my own request for a video, and I hope he gets to it soon, because I didn't ask him anything about vocal manipulation or lip syncing.

[@mpatterson1673]

The proof is in the syncing!

[@everythingbobbywolfe]

Ken is really the Scientology of vocal teaching

[@johnzimmermann2953]

I love the painting over your left shoulder.

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@johnzimmermann2953 That is one of my prized possessions: my dad’s pristine copy of Ella Fitzgerald’s George Gershwin Songbook.

[@plankspankersparadise3113]

"Making the objective into the subjective..." very good point

[@shanegregg1057]

Where’s Ken’s hit song ? When has Ken been relevant? Doesn’t matter what you do if you’re not actively trying to be a songwriter. It’s all in the song not the performance

[@PedroLopezBeanEater]

I’ve asked The Behavior Panel to watch some of his videos.

[@johnwheat5199]

Let's be honest, if Tamplin was any good, he would have been signed up years ago to front a major act.

[@Chris_the_Muso]

Ken is a bit of a fraud really, living on long past glory. As we get older our voices change, and that normally means doing different stuff with a more limited range (or putting up with a less than perfect performance). Think of some of the greats from the sixties and seventies that still do the odd tour here and there - we love them but the performance now isn't the same one they did when they were twenty. (...and imagine if they lip synched to recording they did in 1970, they'd get crucified) Personally, I'm only just finding my true voice after four decades, learning to sing where my voice is, rather than trying to sound like everyone else. It's actually a lot of fun, hearing the real character come out. The reason Ken's argument doesn't make a lot of sense is because gaslighting never does.

[@octavohombre2]

at 12:11 I thought something was wrong with my sound!

[@johnwest7993]

I don't even need to put my trust in Fil, (though I would.) I know a good deal about both audio and electronics, as well as basic physics, (speaker design work, sound man for a band, and some studio engineering, as well as an electronics tech for 50 years, and doing high-end equipment repair for a government lab. I know the tech. Fil showed us the data. He brought the receipts, as they say these days. The Tamplin character is lying based on his comments. He has no answer regarding the meaning of the 'scope waveforms presented, waveforms that tell the entire picture to anyone who knows how to review audio on a digital oscilloscope, so he reverts to muddying the waters, setting up strawmen, etc. He reso[ponds with all of the tricks of a con artist instead of explaining anything about the actual data, which is a shame because he's probably competent at what he does. But liars are liars. They need not make sense. It's just what they do and who they are. They will lie about the most ridiculous things, apparently for some psychological reason, which I simply assume is their personal fears, insecurity and lack of self-respect. They just never grew up. As you mention, it's very much a common and major problem recently. The liars are in now charge.

[@petermaardananders6803]

I''ve had classical singing lessons for 5+ years (belle canto(predominantly by the Methodo pratico of N.Vaccai(tenor)) from when I was 23, and there imho is no way an online course can be as good as irl singing lessons ever. About 6 years ago I saw a Ken yt video and was immediately turned off by his salesman attitude and arrogance. I am by no means a great technical good singer, and not a great songwriter either and don't get me started about how bad I am on abusing a guitar. But I do know quite a few things about singing techniques etc. online courses cannot replace a irl singing teacher ever. IMHO it is a total waste of money. Fil of WOP is a hero for exposing the fakery that is to common in music, post production has in many cases gone too far. Live performances are too often nothing more than a sing-along over pre-recorded audio, and audiences are robbed of their money. Ken is just one of very many who do/have done this. Live should be live performed as a total live not faked, half baked by using backing tracks etc. I don't even like drummers using click tracks or metronomes to keep on and in time, but that's me. Anywho, that's my 2 cents. Have fun and don't be fooled

[@petermaardananders6803]

BTW Ken's method can be very harmful to your vocal chords!!

[@johnforan2973]

All Ken has to do is tell the truth that is obvious. Learn from what we all do and that is not perfect. He would and can still retain his audience. The guy can sing and just admit to mistakes we all make in life. The universe is pretty big. I like lot's of what Ken has done. I have not watched his channel in many months but he has advanced me in areas. If you do not like an avenue than that is your personal choice to make. Make good life decisions with everything. If you think you got scammed then do not repeat it. Learn from it.

[@brianjames5685]

If he had said years ago something like my voice is failing and arthritis limits my guitar but I can still teach you how to do it that would have made him the same as many of the leading teachers. That's why a lot of them began coaching instead of performing isn't it? If you instead decide to BS people then maybe don't be the loudest person on the internet lol.

[@RicoTheUnknown]

Good video! I made a similar one for my channel and a few people (probably Ken fans) accused me of click baiting because it’s a hot topic. I think it’s just a really interesting subject/scenario. 🙌🏼

[@PapaNicksMusic]

Thanks!

[@PapaNicksMusic]

Actually, I saw that video-I liked your take and the fact that you weren’t just piling onto Ken. Nice job!

[@marilynmiller1844]

"Methinks thou dost protest too much" ~Shakespeare, ghostwritten by Ken Tamplin.

[@Captain-Future-Comet]

Personally Ken gets on my nerves, he is so full of himself and thinks he's a better singer then for example Freddie Mercury, Paul Rodgers or David Coverdale. He criticizes them and then he shows you how it should be sung in his opinion without considering someone's naturel vibrato for instance etc. I do think that's one of the reasons a lot of people don't like him. The lip-syncing during that live show and in the studio is a fact, but I do think he can sing, although he might be knowledgeable, I don't like his singing, he's a one trick belter and that's fine but he lacks any vocal diversity or emotional interpretation in my opinion. The thing is, vocal coaches are mostly failed musicians/singers that weren't special or talented enough to get to the big stage. It does seem that he's somehow successful in the vocal coaching business and I do think the whole hateful reaction video's are unnecessary and disproportionate. But that's the risk of having a very personal connected online business, one mistake or a not politicly correct remark and they burn you at the social media stake! But Ken is pretty pretentious, see for yourself - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXTVd2qDpdmFh5o

[@Liz-cmc313]

Ken his full of himself. Why deny it when it's obvious he's lip syncing during some parts of a song.

[@andrewferguson3535]

Always thought there was something of about him now we know.

[@JavierSuarez-v7g]

"Logically it is a shambles"...awesome line, Papa Nick. Thanks for avoiding going into attacks or dumb things like that. People love a scandal!

[@darkprose]

I think this was a fair summary of what happened. Fil also said something that is worth mentioning and that is the fact that the videos Fil was asked to analyze have been removed from Tamplin’s channel _after_ Fil uploaded his analysis. Fil’s response was pretty unanswerable: Why would you remove the videos that can prove you were singing live? Notice that no one is even trying to argue that isolating the vocal line analyzing its signatures in time and pitch is inconclusive. Tamplin did not make any effort to refute the validity of the software and the comparisons of vocal lines from multiple sources by doing his own analysis of vocal signatures. Instead, he removed the videos and now no one else can analyze them. What other conclusion can we draw from these facts? Fil is careful here to let us make the final inferences ourselves.

[@ltdada]

As both a musician and a college English teacher for the last 37 years, I applaud your analysis of Tamplin's failed argument. You've turned the ruckus into a 'teaching moment' --well done. Unfortunately, Tamplin won't learn anything from rational analysis; he is exactly the problem that you have identified in our public discourse, in which objective facts don't matter. It's a pity.

[@pastortroyseabright7926]

Very interesting point to indicate the “objective.” Appreciate your motive and point of view.

[@guitarforfun2596]

The thing with ken is he is clearly full of himself That grates on people thus everyone is loving him getting exposed. The bloke can sing, but he is a jerk of a person.

[@robvoyles]

you just described....Eddie Van Halen. imagine that.

[@guitarforfun2596]

@@robvoyles ken, is that you lol.

[@Terri_MacKay]

Ken's biggest fan is definitely Ken.

[@dawnoftherock]

Great analysis!

[@gunnarjordan6980]

Who sang it better: Ken Tamplin or Vince Neil?

[@HealthAtAnyCost]

While I have never been here, seeing you in a Mickey shirt and your having Hei Hei on an overfull bookshelf brought me great joy! I _kinda_ listened to what you said, but mostly played, "How Many Things Can I Name" on your bookshelves! As a wild Disney-and-Biblio-Phile, I think we could be friends! Edit Add: And then your last word is "Harmonious!" You are adorable!

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@HealthAtAnyCost Most of my life, it seems, is devoted to pop-rock music, standup comedy, Marvel comics and Disney…

[@kevinburnes3216]

@@PapaNicksMusic it looks like green screen behind you from the sharp outline your body and head are showing. Is this a picture of your studio or a fan of this type of room or studio. Tell us and don’t pull a Tamplin lol.

[@PapaNicksMusic]

@@kevinburnes3216 This is my real study with my real shit. I think it takes all of fifteen seconds of watching one of my videos to tell that I am not a top of the line video producer…. 😄

[@bobbygray8694]

Ken’s teaching has doubled my range in 7 months. I did the work & his free videos showed me how.

[@ren-x00x]

sock puppet...?😂🤣🤣

[@rikk319]

Nice non sequitur. Has nothing to do with Ken's integrity.

[@mpatterson1673]

Hi Ken! The proof is in the syncing!

[@thornbird6768]

I can categorically say America , Dewey Bunnell , Gerry Beckley and Dan Peek DID NOT use backing tracks , hold their beers Ken !!

[@jwmeirose]

I haaave never used a backing track, or lip synched, ever (of course I'm not a musician at all). 😏😏

[@shorerocks]

Knowing him from his band Shout from back in the day (yeah I am that old), Ken Templin to me always was a good singer, not a great one. Sure, he can belt it out. And yes, he can do his vocal coach business and really help people. But the obvious (also remember him miming playing the guitar) lip-synching is leaving a foul taste. As he promotes himself as someone self-rightous, and calls out people who are faking it. It does not help that he is promoting himself as a Christian wherever he can. Sorry, no. Like a Televangelist asking for money. Because he also likes to buy a green Ferrari, because God told him to.

[@OZRIC1985]

I have to say that I genuinely like so many of the singers that Ken Tamplin likes. He emulates some of them very well, while he doesn't totally nail the timbre and tone of some other singers. I just attribute that to the particular timbre and tone of his voice which is more like a baritone. He definitely does have quite a range. Since I have seen so many of his videos I see him as a friendly and very enthusiastic guy. It is a bit deceiving that he seems to be using overdubs (or studio tracks) during some of his live shows. If he may not be able to hit some of the really high notes as accurately any more, I would think he would adjust his voice to sing notes that are more in his current range of singing to substitute for the really high notes in order to be honest and believable in his live shows. As many people have mentioned, I have questioned what the tongue thing is all about since I can't see any practical use for sticking it out a bit. Anyway, this Ken Tamplin drama is quite interesting, and I don't have so much of a negative opinion of him. However, I can understand that many people (especially his students) want to know the truth about any overdubbing (or lip-syncing) he may be doing during his live shows.

[@michaelwestphal5899]

The bigger one’s ego the more one points their finger outward to someone else rather than taking responsibility for their own actions.

[@seaneeeg1]

COMPLETELY W/IN HIS RIGHTS TO ANALYZE ANY MATERIAL HE SO DESIRES!!!!!

[@beeemm2578]

First time to your channel. Good stuff. 6:16 'butt load' is the perfect term for Tamplins content. He rags on Freddie Mercury, Steven Tyler, et al...you wont believe this guys ego. If it weren't for his out of control ego, this wouldn't be as big a deal. The guy is absolutely 'cringe' in human form.

[@PapaNicksMusic]

Thanks!

[@olecranonrebellion9976]

Ken should work for the Harris campaign.

[@vls3771]

Tamplin starts his utube vids with " ok im Live, let's give it a go " " lets try this one im live for you " In the first few bars you can tell hes miming to a recording. It's a joke ...why Tamplin ruined any cred. he had is beyond rational thinking .

[@nativeofnc]

So many people from Ken’s generation practiced self-aggrandizement. Makes you wonder if there was some generational trauma going on. “Delusions of grandeur” Sounds like the name of the band… maybe should be the name of Ken‘s next album🤷🏼‍♂️😂

[@boag3144]

The guy should just start doing a parody of himself and then get out of the business while he has con everyone's money...the guy is just cringe ..take the money and run, expired!

[@marshabailey1121]

I completely agree about Fil, who is a great guy and is very knowledgable about performance. He doen't have an axe to grind; he uses scientific analysis to make his point. Ken needs to grow up and just admit that he is not Steve Perry.

[@stewartfenton7660]

What you are saying about the division in today's society in the US is so true, Mr Nick. And the implication is obvious, though unstated by you in what is obviously a musical and not political channel. Vote Blue and start on the road to putting trump out of sight for ever.

[@Kinger1625]

The man lied. Brian Johnson is out there giving his all, which doesn’t sound like much nowadays, but…I learned in University that it’s not always about playing all the notes it was that they were implied . Least Jazz anyways….just meaning, that some small variants can add to a show’s unique sound. It was weird to me that by choice I stayed further out for ACDC. The sound was so good. I was up close for Van Halen in 2015 12th row in front of Ed. Watching god from up close. Sound again was great, but different venues. Well, not matter what venue you play in or perform whatever artistic show you’re doing remember the ones who don’t know how to appreciate the human element to music will always want it just like the CD, or on YT or Spotify 🤣 What happened to the ketchup chips 😢

[@Kinger1625]

I think I started to doze and think this 4 hour little beauty made more sense at the time.,,,I’ll watch this for a while later and try to remember what points I was trying to make.

[@itsianwood]

Nice vid.! By the way, who's Sean Haze?

[@PapaNicksMusic]

Thanks! Sean Hayes is a comic actor, best known for his role as Jack in Will & Grace and for being one of the co-hosts of the podcast Smartless with Jason Bateman and Will Arnett.