Wings of Pegasus vs Ken Tamplin... my thoughts

[@marilynmiller1844]

I've been a Fil fan for years. He doesn't take delight in these stories, and it actually saddens him when these techniques are used and lied about. He has impeccable integrity.

[@LizardLoungeRadio]

Quite right, Fil is a genuinely nice guy. Top quality fella!

[@chuckm4540]

Well said.

[@jonathanmarkham1998]

On the whole he seems good. One of the few on here who do proper analysis and not just taking the easy route. There’s times I watch and think he’s being a bit passive aggressive though. Maybe I’m reading it all off but he comes across as a bit smug at times.

[@a9ball1]

Fil really just tells the facts. It's up to us to decide what to do with it. Fil is great. Always polite.

[@Smokinjoewhite]

@@jonathanmarkham1998 I find that most times he acts smug is when someone doubles down on something that is indefensible.

[@andrewhughes7642]

I watched Joan Baez give a full concert not too far back in Spain, perhaps shortly before Covid. She was still an outstanding singer but she didn't have the same range as she used to have, and adapted her performance accordingly, sipping water as she went and having a younger vocalist with her to take over some of the high parts. She acknowledged how her voice was not what it once was openly to the audience and nobody thought the worse of her for it. It was still a memorable evening. Nothing wrong with ageing gracefully, perhaps others should take note.

[@marcusblackwell2372]

Baez should be a teacher instead of Ken with that integrity

[@brucedickinson12]

She has class

[@chrisw5742]

I had thyroid cancer and my vocal chords are stapled together now. Lost all my highs but now I retune music down to my present vocal range and it works great. She should do that too. All older singers should learn to.

[@a9ball1]

You are absolutely correct! Age with grace not disgrace!

[@volrath__]

I saw Guns n Roses a year or two ago and Axl had an illness and couldn't hit his normal live high notes so he sang the whole night in a lower register, still sounded amazing... In fact in parts he sounded better than when he does shoot for the high stuff! If a guy with a legendary ego like Axl can go on stage and still perform and adapt and be genuinely apologetic to the crowd then there really is no excuse for anyone else!

[@CravingBeer]

"I had a terrible cold and didn't want to let the fans down"- Scandal forgotten in a few weeks. "I wasn't miming"- Career over.

[@M2Singing]

Are we forgetting about the livestream now? He's also been lip syncing since 1989 yet promotes his course will help you 'tour the world'. This is no 'scandal' or KZbin drama; it's fraud, and it's a crime.

[@chrisw5742]

"fans" lmao

[@ryanmattie974]

One is honest and one is a lie

[@nanemoon9968]

Don't forget "I'm playing notes on my guitar that aren't even possible for this guitar"

[@SemNomeMorreYoutube]

Honestly, if Axel Rose had to perform with some pre-recorded parts of the song, not singing, I would have a historic orgasm, since I never got to see Guns live. Nobody cares about that, and most don't even realize it when they're live. What irritates most people is trying to take us for fools

[@PeterKinsman-s8t]

Oh the fact that Ken deletes anybody’s constructive criticism also confirms that the Proof is in the faking!

[@_Uh_Oh_]

He is an absolute prat. On one video of a one of his female students singing he keeps shaking the camera the entire song and changing angles, I simply commented that it was seriously off putting/annoying and not to do it in future and he deleted it

[@PeterKinsman-s8t]

@@_Uh_Oh_ an absolute tosser 🤣🤣

[@gspianoguitar4369]

The proof is in the delete button!

[@outermarker5801]

His comment sections are absolute hilarity. Nothing but compliments and hearts 🤣🤣🤣

[@StefanoMancarella]

He clearly cherry picks comments: likes every single one which pleases his giant ego and deletes the rest. What a lying douche... 🤥🙄

[@hobbes305]

Ken Tamplin is simply the Steven Seagal of vocal coaches!

[@sfbayareagirl]

Hahahaaa!! Perfect analogy.

[@gspianoguitar4369]

Haha that is right on the money that!

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

At least Steven Seagal doesn't mime his guitar playing.

[@robvoyles]

Folding money says you can't beat Steven Seagal in a fight. So im not sure your analogy is accurate. lol

[@hobbes305]

@@robvoyles Folding money says that Steven Seagal would never be able to catch me. Even when he was relatively young he couldn't run and nowadays he is just a fat old broken down joke.

[@chrisstout8451]

Narcissists have a hard time dealing with reality.

[@direnova6284]

Yup, he will never come clean, he is unable to. He is literally incapable of admitting any fault or failure because he's suffering from that exact personality disorder. It's why he has to put other singers down and claim to be better than Freddy Mercury and Paul Rogers while pointing out how they aren't perfect like him. On a personal note I think his voice is horrible.

[@serenitynow66]

Yep you nailed it!!

[@Linda90503]

Narcissists have a hard time getting OLD. It happens to all of us.

[@stuartmenziesfarrant]

Ask Kamala Harris!

[@luapjb]

Indeed - I have just witnessed one get arrested and put in jail, but apparently it is everyone else's fault!

[@lawrencetaylor4101]

I've been following Fil since he had 13K subs. I never watch reaction videos, but for some reason I wanted to see what he had to say about one of my favorite musicians. And everything you say about Fil is spot on. A very respectful human being. he used to do eulogy videos, and it's too bad he stopped, since he was so good. I respected this video, and if i see one of your videos, I'll click on it. Merci beaucoup.

[@TheBrettWilson]

I enjoyed Fil's eulogy videos on Ken's career

[@deed.3230]

@@TheBrettWilsonthat’s funny

[@SuziQ.]

Did Fil stop doing eulogy videos, or is it a matter of no one he admires has died recently? I remember when he did Riff of the Week on every livestream, back in 2018.

[@SuziQ.]

Did Fil stop doing eulogy videos, or is it a matter of no one he admires has died recently?

[@deed.3230]

@@lawrencetaylor4101 I used to watch reaction videos occasionally and Fil’s videos kept being suggested to me. It took awhile for me to finally watch one but then I wanted to watch lots of them. I’d never heard of the Tamplin guy before but apparently he’s got quite an audience. It’s too bad for him that he got caught out, but that’s the chance you take when you go ‘live’ on a public forum. His response to being caught out was also a bit slippery. Oh well.

[@juantomas748]

Ken Tamplin built the hospital he was born in.........he also drove his mom home after being born.

[@campbell1446]

Ken Tamplin taught Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton everything they know.

[@rarevisionog]

I heard he has already chosen the pair that he wish to be reborn from. They are currently frozen in his basement chamber

[@pepitogrillo4494]

Ken Tamplin went to war and screamed moving weirdly his tongue until he made Chuck Norris cry

[@kidwaryodproduction]

Sounds like lies that Hulk Hogan love to said 😆 Imagine these two team up together, That would work for us Brother 😆

[@MosaidDeath]

I heard Fabio asks for “The Tamplin” when he gets a haircut.

[@bnbsda]

Phi is an excellent example of a wonderful musician who cares about THE MUSIC! Sorry Ken. You misrepresented yourself and got caught, plain and simple. Doesn’t mean Ken isn’t great, but he was not truthful and he gets what he sows. Keep up the solid work Phi.

[@firstborn7838]

You Brits are so kind. Thanks for your honesty. Enjoyed your take. Will become a subscriber.

[@jumpkeys]

I have been recording and touring for over 45 years. He is absolutely lip syncing. It is NO mystery. Vocal coaches don’t have to be the most amazing marketable singers in the world. But they do need to understand, demonstrate and teach good and bad techniques. But Ken’s ego is involved.

[@victoryak86]

Exactly. What is a shame is that if he would’ve just come clean about it and said, Ok yeah I did it for the higher ranges or whatever, most people would be like ok no big deal. Some wouldn’t like him, he’d lose some customers, viewers etc but he’d probably recover. Nobody is perfect etc. people tend to be forgiving when people admit things and there are many ways worse things than what he did. But that isn’t what he’s doing., instead doubling down which never NEVER helps. It always makes it worse.

[@victoryak86]

I’ve hear Ken is thinking of starting a new podcast called “Between Three Ferns.”

[@jumpkeys]

@@victoryak86 I agree... and the three ferns title is perfect 😃

[@douglasjohnston1465]

I agree because good technique can be learned where as what you sound like can sometimes be out of your control some are just more gifted. I think of it like teaching someone how to bench press properly, you may not be as strong as them but can demonstrate proper technique which in turn will help them be better

[@chrisw5742]

Ken uses bad technique and he sounds strained all the time. He can't use BELTING range at all. When I belt I will get LOUD.

[@TheBrettWilson]

Ken says "we must become critical thinkers" 😂 We have, Ken. We see the decades of deception. Thanks for the advice.

[@HumbleTrader001]

Exactly! 👍 😂

[@Q1776Q]

Tamplin is the greatest singer of all time...ask him...he'll tell you.🤣

[@LegendLength]

he gets a *lot* of positive feedback on his channel

[@jakenogard9667]

@@LegendLengthhe got a lot of positive comments from himself🤣

[@ekredel]

and award winning, don’t forget

[@Q1776Q]

@@LegendLength IT'S ALL FAKE!!!

[@mikaelfredrickson3856]

😅😅😅😅

[@rayfranchi1507]

Unfortunately what you have here is a man who is a serial liar. It's obvious by this point that, Ken is not capable of admitting the truth. I have always thought that he was over the top and obnoxious many times. The truth is obvious, just not to Ken. Good video bro. Fil is a class act.

[@TheUncleRuckus]

As a speaker for the American Delegation I can categorically state we do not claim Ken "Parrot Tongue" Tampon as one of us he has been traded to the Chinese Delegation in exchange for Jackie Chan. Thank you.

[@callmealphalfa8425]

Ken is talented, and he's made himself a joke. His guitar lead miming is the worst

[@bobjason7540]

Besides the lying, it just looks bad when miming like that. It's like watching guitar playing in an animated movie. The fingers are just floating over the fretboard like the neck is made of gelatin. Ken might as well be holding a Guitar Hero controller.

[@yukiefromoz2573]

It was hilarious when Fil pointed out that he was playing notes that can't even be played on his guitar. 🤣

[@Frip36]

Holy crap, he lied about his guitar playing too? LOL

[@callmealphalfa8425]

@@Frip36 oh dude, it's bad. You can tell he can play, but he breaks into these leads and cool guy mimes them and you can tell he kinda knows what his fingers should do, but no way would it ever be close to clean. But again, comp the whole thing bar by bar. Who cares. But don't come out n say "Hey watch this while I shred your face off live" only to make a fool of yourself then double and triple down when called out. Again, he is talented, but has flushed any cred he had, all over ego. Sad if your 15. Pathetic when your 57.

[@richardmaguire9536]

@@Frip36 He was miming on a guitar with a standard fret board and hitting notes that could only be played on a guitar with an extended fret board. Very silly!

[@grishyroy9271]

Very well analyzed, sir. Respectful, honest, and spot on. Great job!

[@ShindigTrader47Sundeck]

Bang on the money. I've quite liked KT, commenting on one or two of his videos where he's chatting about lead singer comparisons etc, but he's hit a very bum note here (excuse the pun). I listened to Fil on Wings of Pegasus and let's cut to the chase. He's given a factual objective analysis of some of KT's vocals. It's as clear as day that Ken has (sadly) been miming parts but claiming otherwise. As you and others have pointed out, a large part of KT's selling point is that his vocal programme must be deliverable live. "The proof is in the singing". Ken has mimed, claiming otherwise, and gone on the attack when challenged. It's very sad and I'm utterly disappointed in Ken for not just being honest. It's a terrilbe example for up and coming singers. Bad form Ken. Bad form.

[@stewarer]

This has been a very interesting controversy. I unsubscribed from KTVA after Fil's analysis, and it's interesting that KZbin keeps sending me more content on this, so I appreciate your additional input. Good on you and keep on speaking out against people that are not being honest and supporting those who care. As Fil said, it wasn't a malicious dig at Ken, he simply responded to a request from a subscriber to take a look.

[@tnmoppylaura5476]

Thanks for your honest interpretation. Been a Fil follower for years. He’s always been honest too. Subscribed.

[@PeterKinsman-s8t]

You explained it perfectly on how you noticed Ken was lip syncing in 5 ways Dan. Well done. As a very simple proof that it would be simply impossible to sing exactly the same way “twice”, may I add that I learnt a nice little trick with recording vocals. As I don’t have a powerful voice I simply double track the vocals. I saw a video of a sound engineer giving that tip. Essentially I record the main vocals a few times and pick the best one. Then I pick the next best one Chuck it to one side either left or right but put the volume right down. It’s amazing how it thickens the vocals. The sound engineer explained that irrespective of singing exactly the same words, pitch etc the simple fact of different breathing, mouth movements etc will make ia different sound. Hence Fil’s evidence proved it too. You know what you’re talking about Dan. You nor Fil could not have said things any more professionally. Keep up the great work. 🎸🎸🎸

[@ItsSeanTheProducer]

33:10 Considering that many of Ken's "advocates" with different accounts are literally cutting & pasting the exact same comments on any of the videos showing how he is miming his songs, there's a very good chance that those "advocate" accounts are all just Ken.

[@BrianHunsakerMusic]

They're probably students that are in denial. Possibly Ken is a good or great teacher, but that's a separate discussion.

[@gspianoguitar4369]

Fascinating this. I, like you, am / have been a music professional most of my life, studied classical rock jazz etc gigging performing studio owner engineer etc etc but winding down now, spend more time teaching these days (coincidentally not far from you!). Fil is absolutely brilliant, in a way that is so refreshing and seems a really nice guy too. He's opened up Pandora's box in the last couple of years regarding the 'validity' of 'genuine' live performances from some of even the biggest names. From what I gather it also seems it's more to do with the higher up suits in record companies rather than the singers themselves who are tampering with the actually originally recorded wave forms. It's shocking to think they tampered with Freddie's vocals ! ( a BeeGees one as well I think) as Fil enlightened us all recently. Ken Tamplin is someone I have never taken too - he spends too much time blowing smoke to the rear for me and I also noticed a long time ago, especially in his guitar playing too, that he wasn't playing or singing some notes here and there. Only personal but his voice sounds gratingly metallic for me but that's just taste. In terms of how he's behaved during this illustrates how much of a bully he must be to show zero respect for the world in general and even moreso for us musicians. I mean if he thinks as you say, that we cannot hear this stuff then it tells you an awful lot about him doesn't it? As Fil illustrated last week Tamplin is getting notes on his guitar that are not even on the guitar!! kinda says it all I think...

[@alfromtx245]

I'm seriously wondering how much of the Ken Tamplin cult response is real. Call me crazy, but I'm wondering if some of this is AI generated. I'm a Christian and I've been a fan of Ken's since high school, when I bought a couple of tapes of his band. Several years ago, I purchased his singing course and it has really helped. But man. He's clearly lying. You're right in saying that he didn't address the actual issues in his response video. I posted a very respectful question after his video and he deleted it. Personally, I'm done following him. I've unsubscribed from his channel and his email list.

[@totallyfrozen]

What bothers me the MOST is that he solicits himself as a Christian. Then he gets called out by nearly every professional for being a fake. Once again, someone pops up in the public eye to make Christianity look phony. “With friends like these, who needs enemies?” comes to mind.

[@ryanmattie974]

I'd like to know how you found his academy. Ive heard some of his methods aren't actually practical and could cause some vocal damage over time. It would be nice to know how you found you improved too.

[@fromchomleystreet]

I think some of the defence that comes from Christians is genuine, and comes from (a) an overly defensive reaction to someone making your community look bad, and (b) a sincere disbelief that an avowed Christian could be this dishonest. Much easier to choose to believe he’s being persecuted by the ungodly heathens.

[@kevinb9830]

I doubt very much it's him responding on his channel - he is so big he must have a team. Still shouldn't delete stuff but we all know that happens a lot now.

[@alfromtx245]

@@ryanmattie974 It was a random Google search. I was thinking about some of the bands I used to listen to back in high school and was wondering what they're up to now. I knew Ken Tamplin was the lead singer for Shout, so I did a search and found his academy. The biggest improvements I've seen are with my pitch, vocal stamina, and range. I also used to lose my voice almost anytime I would sing live. That really doesn't happen anymore. So it has helped. What I have heard people talk about is all of the vocal distortion talk, saying that maybe it's not great for your voice. However, with the styles I sing the most, I don't use vocal distortion. So that's part of his teaching that I haven't put any effort into. I hope this helps.

[@Chez8922-kf6cy]

Backing tracks isn't the argument. Saying it is is a language of argument trick called a straw-man argument. It's deception plain and simple.

[@DropAnchor1978]

You remind me of Fil, not only for the British accent but in your manner and articulate way of stating your case. You are a pro and both you and Fil are classy humble guys.

[@magnussoderman6676]

As a live sound tech myself, I clearly hear that the sound of the microphone changes. Your clearly hear a tonal difference and the pop sound of that headset-microphone.

[@s.mas.w]

Amazing he keeps referencing a character from “Pinocchio”!😂 Freudian slip?😜

[@chuckm4540]

There's a great quote by Billy Crystal in the movie "This is Spinal Tap." He said, "Mime is money." Something Ken T believes.

[@travisclay9239]

Ken Scamplin is a legend in his own mind.

[@Katerina9256]

Scamplin lol....I shall refer to him as Scamplin from now on 😂

[@BeaverdamMan]

You can actually hear him struggling with the low register stuff then when it goes to the high register all of a sudden his pitch is better and the hoarseness is gone.

[@chrisw5742]

He uses falsetto for highs. It sounds like crap also doing that.

[@marksoquet8626]

Yep

[@Katerina9256]

Exactly....it was very plain to see/hear. He sounded a bit rough on the parts he did sing. And then...tada! He 'sings' something MUCH more difficult... no problem! 😅

[@petermeter8221]

Spot on! This video is 100% correct. You can clearly tell when the studio vocals kick in. He tends to start and end each song with his live vocals in order to engage conversation with the audience and make it appear as if it’s all live. As soon as any high vocals kick in, he switches to lip synching. Also quite obvious that all the backing vocals are lip synched.

[@Sasser2015]

It takes a lot of balls to deliver a sermon on "critical thinking" while provably lying through your teeth dead into the camera.

[@musicalvisions]

It is a most welcome transcending experience to hear an artist sing a song from my youth in their current older voice that has aged 30 years with me.

[@NOMAD-qp3dd]

Yea. I'd rather hear a singer I like be authentic and real in the moment, and if the voice breaks and falters due to age then so what, big deal. It's like you said transcendent, reminds us we're human and we age, lets me feel more connected to the artist. If I wanted to hear a song just like it is on the album I'd stay home and listen to it instead of going to see it live.

[@ChrisIlett]

You're absolutely right. I record/mix studio as well as live performances and they need to be treated differently, because they're completely different sources of audio. Also don't worry about having to tune down. I've recently done that and now singing better than ever (although it probably means I wrote the songs in the wrong key in the first place). I'm enjoying playing live more than ever. Great video - subscribed!

[@DizzLexic]

For someone who has perfect pitch, tuning down (or any key change for that matter) can drive them crazy. It sounds completely different. From an audience perspective, they often feel the difference but can't quite put their finger on it. Glad you're enjoying playing live though!! Rock on!

[@ChrisIlett]

@@DizzLexic Fortunately for me nobody knows any of my songs enough to notice or care.... 😂

[@mccartney2]

there is no "versus" its quite plain and clear.............Ken isnt honest....end of.

[@danij5055]

I used to like Ken a while ago. I mistook his arrogance for just plain confidence.

[@TT-lg7ip]

Great video! Ken: "the truth shall set you free"...

[@Chez8922-kf6cy]

Or he can ask Jesus for forgiveness...

[@davidstair9657]

I just saw Robert Plant with my wife and kids. He acted his age and slew the crowd. We would have drank poison if he asked us. My kids were clapping so hard after each song. Dang. Blew my mind! But the band carried him, or should I say, he allowed others to lift him to the heights… including all of us! Heck, even Allyson hit one off note! Loved it! Made it so real!

[@adrianfytr35]

One question, why was Robert Plant with your wife and kids?

[@davidstair9657]

@@adrianfytr35 because nobody leave without singing the blues.

[@adrianfytr35]

​@@davidstair9657😂😂😂well played sir👍.

[@mak8836]

Ken admitted lipsyncing in a comment himself. The comment was shown in a follow up video of Wings Of Pegasus and his comment has been since deleted.

[@shorerocks]

Yeah, but he makes it sound in his video, as if he sings live. I believe he sang live - it is just not the whole time you could hear his live singing. I mean, you gotta respect, the whole setup... that takes effort. What makes it especially cringeworthy to me is his guitar "playing". Sure, he can play. But not what he pretends to be playing - meaning, what we currently hear. So, there is a pattern. Honestly. F*** him.

[@Bravilor]

No, he only admitted the backing track contained lead vocals, but he said he was singing live over it.

[@mak8836]

@@Bravilor Or you could argue that the lead vocals in the backing track are louder than his live vocals he sung over the backing track.

[@Bravilor]

@@mak8836 So loud that it was the only vocal line heard :)

[@MagsMusicfan9]

I think the best example of a backing track would be the operatic section of Bohemian Rhapsody but the band didnt pretend to sing it on stage! This was a point where the band took a quick break as they obviously knew they could never replicate that part of the recording live. No one ever complained about it cause they left the stage as they showed the video for that part. I also wrote a fairly decent comment telling him if he had just came out and said “Sorry guys I hate to admit it but I kinda cheated on some of the higher vocals because I was sick, nervous, etc. and didnt want to disappoint anyone that came to see us.” Nothing would have came to this and whatever did would be over by now. Instead he dug in his heels and outright lied about it again, replied to comments he didnt like with “where the proof is STILL in the singing” and posted a link to Fil being on Xfactor and losing. Now, hes (or someone else I really have no idea who) are replying to negative comments on other people’s pages with “this is Ken’s lawyer…” What lawyer would actually take this on when they know there is SCIENTIFIC PROOF he is doing what people are accusing him of? Another vocal couch mentioned the fact he only sings these older bands music. Im kinda wondering if half of the stuff he posts is also from 30 years ago? As far as Im concerned, at this point) the man is reaping what he sowed and hes lucky if he doesnt face a class action lawsuit from his current and former students for fraud. Just saying… Sadly, all of this could have been avoided if he just told the truth.

[@shorerocks]

...because Queen were / are a class act. And Ken T is... not.

[@MagsMusicfan9]

@@shorerocks agreed! 110% and yet Ken has the gaul to criticize, IMO, the greatest voice and frontman of all time!

[@Wyl7]

Nightwish (which Ken mentioned) makes heavy use of backing tracks. But they pretty much have to… it’s not practical or cost effective to have an entire choir and orchestra touring with them, and their music couldn’t be the symphonic metal they’re known for with just a 5 piece band on stage and all those other elements removed. But they also aren’t pretending something is live when it isn’t.

[@songfulmusicofsongs]

Still, Queen played Bohemian Rhapsody without backing track. And without click track.

[@MagsMusicfan9]

@@songfulmusicofsongs no click track I dont think but they did play the vid during that section if they had to play it live so its kinda a backing track. Later they just the beginning and end of the song and mixed a couple of others in the middle.

[@DrummerKeithScott]

I appreciate your work and effort into the KT situation that’s blowing up the YT vocal coach world right now. My opinion is this is the best non biased review outside of WOP but with a little more depth. I was a huge Shout/Tamplin fan beginning with the release of the two original albums were hot of the press. I know the music by heart so I instantly knew he was singing from the studio tracks. I wish I still had the interview from back in the day where he discussed the speeding up of the background vocal to match the current scene at that time citing Def Lepard and others as an example.

[@jenniparker1]

Funny, I made the same comment-his real fans know he's lip syncing because when I hear that chorus from the original CD in my head, it's the exact same as his current "live" version but none of the rest of the song is.

[@totallyfrozen]

32:18 I couldn’t help but notice that when he made a fool of himself here, he didn’t hit a high note. He yelled in the tenor range. I would think he’d like to hit a high note like something John Anderson (Yes) would have hit in the early 80’s. But, no. He bores us with a mediocre note.

[@Katerina9256]

I thought the same. It was not even near that high range he was pretending to sing..and he sounded pretty noisy doing it.

[@podrickfookinpayne2329]

What note was that? Didn't sound that mediocre given how chesty it was.

[@PorcelainLeigh]

As a person who made a living, full-time for 22 years singing, I never understood that tongue technique he does. Doesn't do anything and looks ridiculous. I was full of myself when I was young, but have since grown up. Not only is he saying he's the greatest singer, but also a Christian. Well. Actions speak louder than words.

[@campbell1446]

Some of his reaction videos are useful. But I've found it works best to scroll the screen up so that I don't see Tamplin's face. Then I don't see the weird facial expressions and the tongue thing.

[@PorcelainLeigh]

@@campbell1446 Of course it's subjective, but I don't think he's very good. Very nasal, and contrived.

[@rarevisionog]

That tongue thing is just another classic example of a quack misunderstanding the works of authority figures in a field and putting their own spin into it. The tongue is slightly retracted and only the back of the tongue moves in position based on the vowel. There are some demonstrations of it done under the scan on KZbin

[@TheMookie1590]

that tongue thing is jsut cringe. when I started my lourny to learn to sing. i fond him after like a year. and was like bro. I'm literally better, what tf is going on. I did throat singing off an don for years naturalkly. He talked a big game about his tongue, and I'm thinking youre wrong about it, looks stupid. and he clearly has 0 idea about the power the tongue has. Finding overtone singing naturally myself. all that combhined made me call him a scammer and moved on. got attacked by the cult never trust a man with a lizard tongue

[@TheMookie1590]

@@PorcelainLeigh I think hes garbage tier tbh. hes flat, he has one scream. and his tongue makes me want to punch him

[@MajorTomgames]

great video. ken could have reacted literally in any other way and been ok, he could even have said 'yeah i mime to ports of my show,. get over it' and it would have been better. instead he's turned into an old man preaching to experienced internet users about 'the algorithm' lol. man up ken, it's ok to not be perfect.

[@LegendLength]

It's not that simple because he was charging people $700 and hour. So they'd have a good case for a refund and maybe lawsuit for fraud.

[@MajorTomgames]

@@LegendLength erm, they still do lol

[@ichirofakename]

@@LegendLength $750.

[@tommyapocalypse6096]

It’s okay to capitalize the beginnings of your sentences. Just sayin’. 😊

[@MajorTomgames]

@@tommyapocalypse6096 ok

[@jporter504]

Fil also did a video showing that Ken was not actually playing his guitar in some of his videos. Ken was finger-syncing. I don't follow Ken but I think he should have just come clean like you suggested.

[@Fedorevsky]

And doing so on a guitar with less frets than the one used in the recording he was miming playing phantom notes at points, lol

[@Wyl7]

With the videos in question being in a studio/rehearsal room, I do think Tamplin was physically playing the guitar in the room. It’s just that what he was playing in the room wasn’t the audio we hear in the videos. And it’s understandable why… his picking technique is very sloppy and inefficient, meaning he would generally have trouble consistently playing the same parts cleanly. And on the first video, his wide picking motion is way too slow to produce the barrage the clean alternate picked notes at the tempo we heard them (not to mention the arpeggios we heard that he didn’t physically play).

[@Wyl7]

@@Fedorevsky yeah, hitting a note/pitch that requires a 24 fret guitar (without bending, which he didn’t do) on a 21 fret guitar was just embarrassing.

[@deepzepp4176]

“The Proof Is In The Lip-Synching” The cognitive dissonance amongst his followers is incredible. And the gaslighting, as you say, is incredibly cynical and underhanded. At least we know that many of the his followers are either bots of his, or multiple accounts that he has created. Well done for pointing out that he’s deleting comments, as well.

[@nahtay72]

I like how you broke down this live vs not live with him on stage.

[@NickP-G]

Terrific video post: intelligent and measured, yet devastating. Thank you

[@fromchomleystreet]

It’s not just the technical production of the vocal that radically changes between sections, it’s the quality of the voice itself. There is no way that the croaky, pitchy voice doing the low register parts, which is very clearly approaching the very top of its available range on the highest notes of those lower register parts, would ever be capable of the pristinely clean high register parts. Those two sounds are simply not being produced by the same larynx on the same day. You can tell it’s the same guy, but that it’s either the same guy with and without a bad case of laryngitis, or the same guy decades apart. Given that the singer in question is over sixty and clearly has no compunction about lying, my money’s on the latter.

[@carycrooner-qualitymusicvi5244]

Clouding the argument seems like the way to refocus this miming issue by Ken Tamplin. The cover up adds more fuel to the fire and it will just continue to build more heat from his gaslighting. I have watched Ken's video before and admittedly was impressed with his singing ability. I watched to learn something although it did not really matter for the songs i normally sing does not require very high notes as I cover generally crooning music. I agree if one performs live, it should be totally live especially when people pay for the live experience. State a disclaimer otherwise. Thank you for your observation. It was totally spot on.

[@stoneysdead689]

Here's the thing- ppl should learn to trust themselves because I guarantee you there are tons of ppl out there who just like me when they saw Ken sing- knew something wasn't right. We're not trained enough, nor are we sitting there trying to nitpick it, so we can't put our finger on what it is, we just know- that voice doesn't look or sound like it's coming out of that head. I had this feeling several times watching Ken sing both on television and online- but I shrugged it off because I thought "He's a vocal coach, he wouldn't be able to get away with that." Wrong. He did get away with it, for a long time. I should've trusted my gut. Now granted, I have been playing guitar in bands for over 30 years, so I've been around a ton of live performances and watched thousands of ppl sing so- maybe that's why I was able to detect something was amiss- Idk. Tbh though, I have a hunch almost everyone got this feeling at different times from ken- and most of us excused it away. As for Fil, - he's amazing- I love the guy. He's one of the few truly honest ppl in the business. Ken is biting off more than he can handle to- Fil knows his shit and he knows how to prove it beyond question. He will not flatter you or spare your feelings either- he understands how cruel that is to do to someone in this niche. He will give you the flat, honest truth- that's so hard to find. It makes you feel like he respects you as a musician to- instead of trying to patronize you or spare your feelings like you're a child or something he treats you like his equal and just tells you the truth. Rock on Fil, we're with you to the end man.

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

I am absolutely astounded at the gall of this man. To accuse someone of doing exactly what you are doing (openly and obviously) is just disgusting, in my opinion. There are so many different strategies on display here. Clouding the issue (or deflecting, one might say) by pretending he is being accused of using a backing track in his live sets (of course no one cares about backing tracks). Gaslighting (or just outright lying?) his audience by talking about his messages being deleted. And another example of deflection when he talks about it all being done for clicks and views and 'the algorithm'

[@hollyschitt]

"The proof is in the singing"! When Ken appears in court to defend against fraud charges that statement will be thrown in his face numerous times. He should have charged them for a lip-syncing course.

[@ricomajestic]

He can sing for real though and his course is quite good. Did he lip synch in his live performance? Yes

[@hollyschitt]

@@ricomajestic , nobody has said he couldn't sing, he lied about his lip-syncing. He misleads his paying customers which is fraud.

[@rome8180]

One of the most depressing things to me is that people can't tell when something's live or mimed anymore. I see "live" videos from famous pop stars all the time that are clearly mimed. The comments are flooded with people praising their live singing. The thing is a lot of these singers are actually great singers. But that doesn't mean they were singing live in a particular video. It's very easy to hear the difference too. It's not just whether the singer's lips line up. It's if the audio sounds too clean and the performance is too perfect. I think people need to go to a jazz club or an orchestral performance and hear some of the greatest musicians in the world playing un-mimed music. And they need to pay attention to how, even though these musicians are miles beyond almost everyone else as performers, their stuff STILL sounds imperfect. And then come back to KZbin and listen to some recent "live" performances. Once your ears have acclimated to what actual live music sounds like, it should be very obvious.

[@m.l.b.2908]

Oh the "live" thing vexes me, as well. Along with "acapella" when it's an isolated studio vocal. 😒

[@infinitejest.4994]

Thank you for your comments. Fil is super. You’re in my algorithm now since this Tamplin mess started. I think you’re spot on about this entire mess.

[@colinrobertson4569]

I didn't even think the guitars were all live. There was so much going on with the sound.

[@hollyschitt]

Look at Fil's (wings of pegasus) last video on this subject and he showed Ken faking guitar also.

[@DesSherwoodGuitarTuition]

Ken is dishonest and full of it. Notice how carefully he worded his video. "That IS me singing." That's true but from 35 years ago. He didn't say that he DIDN'T lip sync and all his vocals on that show were live. Interesting.

[@bonzology322]

you'd think $750 an hour would at least buy you honesty

[@BrianHunsakerMusic]

I inquired about his price just before COVID and it was $300. Has it really more than doubled?

[@jedsteelwell2354]

He should of just said "when you get older you can't hit the highs like you could when you was younger so I used some tracks on the higher notes to make the live show better" instead he just couldn't get past ego and tell it like it is.

[@theyouofyesterday6254]

Yes, he could have been using that as a teaching point for his older students. Everyone's voice ages. Honesty is important and a live performance is all about the emotion it evokes, not about sounding 'perfect'. Older voices have something to say in music, and Ken Tamplin pretending he still sounds like he's 25 is the musical equivalent of denying you've had a facelift. It is also doing a great disservice to older singers; if people genuinely think KT can sing like this in his 60s they might wonder why everyone can't, and be less likely to accept 'imperfect' performances from other artists. When I saw one of my favourite musicians live a couple of years ago, he interjected mid-song to joke that he can't sing that high any more, then simply sang the high parts down an octave. It got a laugh and he retained the respect of the audience by being honest. It isn't hard to do, just takes a touch of humility!

[@bletheringfool]

I think you've summed up perfectly my main gripe. He's giving false impressions of what is possible with your voice. I think of people like Tom Jones and the late Tony Bennett who can still give it in later life and others who adapt to the aging process like Paul McCartney and Cindy Lauper znd manage to provide great shows with their authentic voices

[@lespaul1968]

Could give two squats about Tamplin, But Fil channel is pointing out things we all know is happening

[@orbisp5100]

Thanks. It's important for people in the industry to call out the bad actors, especially those like Ken who fake proficiency to prey on beginners.

[@bibistaufi2653]

Well done...go on...just like Fil from Wings of Pegasus!!

[@kritorys514]

I didn't notice when I saw his clips the other day in Fil's response, but it is so frickin weird that there is nothing but a few fake plants on those shelves behind Ken. I think the contrast is just so upfront when compared to those sweet ass sound panels you're surrounded by. Anyways, first time viewer of your channel, nice firsthand insight on this situation. You were tasteful and patient in your breakdown and I look forward to checking out some of your other videos/music.

[@dru1432]

Very brave to get in on this feud. 🙂

[@RobinPillage.]

I have no dog in this fight. I'm not Ken fan or hater. I'm not a singer nor I'm a psychologist. But all that redirection and projection and gaslighting was really something to watch. One thing is for sure, this Ken guy has some serious character flaws/deficiencies. Not even so much for lipsynching and the dishonesty associated with that, but the denial and just how far he's willing to go in hopes of keeping the lie alive and this charade going. Just, wow.😳

[@hollyschitt]

Ken can do what no other singer can do. He has perfect pitch when comparing him to the noise my cat made when I accidentally stepped on his tail.

[@TheSpacehead63]

It's interesting how his hand goes up to his mic whenever he's lipsyncing.

[@boodleboy]

Probably some unpaid intern sitting by the mixing desk, always on the lookout for his sign to push "that button".

[@TheSpacehead63]

I thought it was more of a "tell"

[@boodleboy]

@@TheSpacehead63 Probably, but I think my version is funnier.

[@stewarer]

Fil touched on this as well. I believe his take from that gesture was to give cover. In the line of "oh my microphone is cutting out - are we back on?"

[@Wyl7]

I think that’s along the same lines as what Dan was saying about singers having more exaggerated unnatural mouth movements when lip syncing, where it happens because when they aren’t actually singing they’re much more aware and focused on what their mouth is doing. So, same thing.. Tamplin is much more aware of the mic when he’s faking it than when he’s actually singing.

[@Katerina9256]

This was a spot-on video, great job!

[@gbark1908]

I totally agree with you that Ken is the king of Talking Bollocks. I have been a follower of both Ken and wings of Pegasus for a long time. I’ve always thought that Ken was a little over animated but I wouldn’t dismiss all of his advice, as no one else is here. Fil of Wings Of Pegasus is excellent at being a “musical forensic scientist “ he is a master at analysing Vocals using top notch software. None of Fils findings are intended to “bring anyone Down “ they are educational. If Ken had committed crime and his fingerprints were taken and analysed forensically and his involvement in that crime was proved I think he would be as much in denial as he is with the fact that he is Lip Syncing now…” Prove It”. How on earth Ken thinks that click bait and revenue are generated in this way is unbelievable….he needs better advisors.

[@ThatBobGuy850]

Great video, Dan! Your points about new, upcoming bands are spot on. After The Beatles hit it big, they created a gazillion teenage boys and girls who wanted to be in bands and be the next Beatles. What people didn't know was that The Beatles had numerous "residencies" in clubs in Germany where they had to perform marathon sets for hours on end. It must have been grueling, and they must have asked themselves, "Is this really worth it?" But it was there that they honed their playing skills until they were razor-sharp. Back in England, John and Paul began developing their songwriting skill, which we know was unparalleled. Then they had the good fortune (pun intended) to team up with a record producer who turned out to be a genius and who allowed four young, 21-year-old kids to make the music that changed the world. So while it seemed to us in the U.S. that The Beatles were an "overnight success," that was far from the truth. They paid their dues, man. Kids getting together in some random garage would never...**could never** replicate The Beatles' success and longevity. They were a "once in a lifetime" thing. The kids you mentor may not like to hear what you say, but it is the God's honest truth. As for Ken Tamplin...well...he's dug his own hole, hasn't he? His silly (over-)reaction to Fil's video was so disproportionate that other content creators (like yourself, Dan) have noticed and jumped on the dog-pile. Ken brought much more attention to himself and his KTVA than he perhaps intended. Side note: I saw Billy Idol recently (Spring, 2024, with Steve Stevens!). And although he played all of his classics, he did not try to replicate his screaming vocals from the songs he created back in the 1980s. He changed things up to accommodate his 68-year-old voice (68!!) - and you know what? He sounded GREAT! Ken should just own up to using technology to "help out" a bit in his live performances. Still a good/great singer, yeah. But sticking to the, "This is all me, 100% live, all the time," is just foolish. Nobody believes him.

[@petedavid9946]

As an American, I must make it perfectly clear that we Americans butcher the pronunciation of the English language. You and Fil speak English so much more precisely and clearly than do those of us on the other side of the pond.

[@tommyapocalypse6096]

So? We still manage to communicate effectively. And that’s one of the beauties of the language. 😊

[@angermanagementstudios]

It’s all very odd. Ken doesn’t need to do any of this nonsense. He’s still a good singer, he just can’t sing like he could when he was 25. None of us can. After 35 years singing professionally, my voice is absolutely not the same as it was even 5 years ago. I’ve lost a bit of range and power. But I’ve adapted. There’s no shame in it. Just be honest.

[@paulboulton5003]

I play, sing for holiday makers and followers week in and week out. Whether I feel up, down, Ill or sound, I try my best to make it the best I can achieve at 'that' given time. I believe I am respected for that, no use of pitch correction etc.. people who use it cheat themselves and their fans. xx

[@Wizardofgosz]

The expression for Ken bringin up stuff that isn't related to the topic at hand is often called a "straw man" argument. They set up a weak argument, that they know they can knock down easliy, and then claim that's what their opponents are doing.

[@victoryak86]

If a submarine has a torpedo coming towards it, it can release a bunch of metal debris that can cause the torpedo’s homing device to essentially become confused and then attack the debris. In this way the submarine is saved from the torpedo. This is basically what Ken Tamplin is doing by spouting a bunch of gaslighting and other verbal debris. It doesn’t appear to be working very well though.

[@jeandonaldson2290]

Super clear explanation of what went down and the subsequent gaslighting.

[@giles7662]

A very well articulated, reasoned, and delivered view on the matter. Well done!!

[@danij5055]

Ken Tamplin: "We had people looking at all the places that were different in my live than in the recording. This one guy found so many!" What about where they're the same? 🤔

[@HumbleTrader001]

Probably thousands of vocal lines were exactly the same as the studio versions.

[@celestialode]

Really like Ken and his vocal tips. However there are a few things that stick out. He regularly mentions that he studied Belcanto which is a fancy term of saying Italian school classical singing and he claims that he can hit an octave higher at least above high C. Of course this is falsetto or head voice as the call it these days and yes Ken can do this (and even go higher) but he never displays a full voice high C which is a totally different sound. As for the recent live performance indeed he lip syncs many times. And this is something I fail to grasp, what's the point of doing your live performance identical to the one recorded in a studio? To satisfy who? Music as you very nicely said is art and art is not perfect. In fact perfection is the enemy of art because it's the actual imperfections and finding a way around them or accepting them that makes a true artist stand out

[@TimothyOBrien1958]

I've made this comment several times on different channels since this controversy began. I'm 66. In my youth, I had a 4-octave range. That was my trumpet teacher and my vocal coaches saying that. I was 18-21. I can assure you, that I do not have that kind of range now. Perhaps if I trained as I did then, I might get some of my top end back, but I'll never be able to do what I did then.

[@mirah77]

No one can duplicate the voice at anytime. No one can copy their voice twice and as we grow older the voice will change. You can no longer sing the same high notes. For example, listen to Suzi Quatro, ABBA or Andy Scott from Sweet.

[@robertfindley921]

The KZbin algorithm deletes (my) comments all the time based on questionable words, etc. Some are quite silly and not obvious. But science allows people to cheat in music, and science catches them at it. With the understanding you and Fil are correct, if Ken would have just said "Yes, you caught me. My throat was a little sore and I wanted to give the recorded audience the best possible product." everything would be fine. I don't think saying "The proof is in the singing" obligates Ken not to do this. Ken should just be honest about it.

[@bradwilliams7145]

I really enjoyed your presentation of Ken's debacle. As you said, he should have come forth at the get go. Thank you. 😂🎶🎸

[@agorgedslug]

People need to stop using 'vs'. Fil never attacked or set out to ruin Tamplin's reputation, he responded to a request to analyse Ken's videos, which he unbiasedly did. And then he moved on. Unfortunately Ken's response has left him looking like a puppy sitting next to a pile of poo.

[@hollyschitt]

At 32:17 it wasn't Ken singing, it was bad constipation.

[@fromchomleystreet]

As if anybody calling him out, who is “just doing it for clicks” would delete comments supportive of Ken. Anyone with those motives WANTS those comments because arguments in the comments section increase engagement. Anyone other than Ken cult-members who is watching these videos is DYING to find a denialist in the comments sections so that we can (a) roast them or (b) genuinely ask them how they are able to dismiss such incontrovertible evidence.

[@gettingmightycrowded]

Good work - a great summary/overview for anyone who hasn’t been following the recent proceedings as they unfolded. And while Fil is always very careful to stick to the facts and evidence (to his credit!), you’ve been able to add a dose of healthy cynicism ! As for Mr T himself ..… I wouldn’t say he’s a narcissist, but if you check the credits for his channel I wouldn’t be surprised if his response videos feature Ken Tamplin of Ken Tamplin Vocal Academy, and are Written & Directed by Ken Tamplin for KT Enterprises International. Executive Producer is Ken Tamplin for 20th Century Ken, and Special Music Effects Consultant is Dr Kenneth Tampering. Views and opinions expressed are solely those of Ken Tamplin, and are not open to discussion or criticism, and any comments posted may be deleted without notice.

[@joelcamp5445]

The irony of Kens Jiminy Cricket comment is, Jiminy Cricket was a character in the Pinocchio film, Ken is the music industry’s Pinocchio…..nose grows. A Freudian slip if ever there was!

[@drutgat2]

Good video. Thank you. So glad there are people like you, and particularly Fil, around, and who have the energy to address people denying having used pitch correction software. Unfortunately, people will often reflexively defend someone or something they like, and I think that is what Ken T.'s fans and followers are doing.

[@victoryak86]

Excellent job on this video! In other news, Ken is planning on starting a new podcast called “Between Three Ferns.”

[@j800r_aswell]

He's cancelling himself. With his blatant dishonesty. Who in their right mind would trust a dishonest "vocal coach"? Once a person has shown themselves a liar it becomes difficult if not outright impossible to believe a word they say.

[@bfras33]

Very obvious

[@BlazonStone]

One of my bands did the opposite of Ken: We actually multitracked a live show and used some vocal lines on the album versions since the performance had something extra. It did require a lot of work to isolate backgroudn noise and EQ the different microphone to fit with the studio takes, but it actually worked and is something I am thrilled to try again some time.

[@skyhorseprice6591]

You delivered a very rational and unprejudiced analysis here. No histrionics (Ken The Drama Guy), no misdirection ("Yeah if you wanna go to the West Coast, head for New York!" -Ken Tamblin, 2024), and no ad hominem or gaslighting. Pretty awesome. I subscribed.

[@JNHONDA189]

Another thing that isn't being discussed is how different the tone of his voice is between the tracked lead vocal vs his actual live lead portions. His vibrato is very different as well and more telling. His vibrato is faster in the tracked lines vs his actual live vibrato. I wonder if the mimed tracks are recorded old school tape and he sang to a slowed tape to drop the song a step, then sang it and sped the tape back up to where where the key should be? This would be a "double wammy" of live difficulty for him: not only is he getting older and his voice is changing, but the key he actually sang it in the studio vs what the song is in live makes it even harder. Not saying he did this, but it is something else to look into. This has been said to have been done by both Metallica and Iron Maiden and others in the tape days. For example, record a song tuned to E flat, slow tape to record vocals in D, then speed the tape up to E. Makes the songs tighter and easier to sing. If he also did this, is would explain the lip sincing because he literally cannot perform the song without tuning down.

[@ppeder]

Great overview and very respectful and informative. Thank you.

[@joapguitar]

Thank you for that video you pretty much pointed out everything that was angering me as well! He really proved to be a manipulative and bad person through the way he handled the situation. Deflecting and lying is really not forgivable. He went full Trump on this one. People like him really are the problem, twisting reality and spreading fake news.

[@Coquinagirl]

Thank you for your intelligent clarity.

[@jennbamboo]

Well said Sir! I’m a great fan of Fils. I’m an aging vocal coach, classically trained singer. Now, I’ve been very ill over the years and my voice dropped just like a man’s in my 30s, (after a course of medication), and I had about 3 weeks to retrain my voice for a recording session, fortunately I had the skills to help me do this. In my 40 s to 50s I was singing Calypso BV’,s harmony & occasional Lead for around 15 years, strictly LIVE, no backing tapes no pitch correction.Did it originally to help get a great front man & musician get a vocal section together, after a year it ended up being me. At under 40 I managed all the parts I need to cover. - phew! By my 50s to 60s I sounded soo different and had to continually alter my technique. Might’ve been slower if I’d avoided a seriously invasive surgical procedure. Now I stick to BVs and close harmony. All this is just to state that you CANNOT sound the same in your 40s as when you started. Rant over, loved your vid & will watch more ………. AGREE SO FULLY. x Jenn