Part 1 Mobility Scooter Won't Work Motor Brake Problem | Shoprider

[@retrorestore]

Turns out the bleeping was the indicator switch haha, Easily caught out when you don't have any information on these things lol

[@alisonnorrie2539]

retrorestore lost power on electric bike

[@postmanpathecky1124]

retrorestore hi pal any chance you can build a pit engine to one like colin furze

[@claydo364]

True... Sounds like Adam .ballina

[@strattuner]

electrical,electronics training will lead you down many paths,i knew nothing about this vehicle till I saw your video,i knew nothing at all,now I need one,my health dictates its use,thank you for showing me the inside,i'm a master mechanic of 47 years,with a bad back,thank you again

[@sbkenn1]

Nice to find someone who doesn't try to baffle with bullshit. Good post. This from a 60y/o electronics and general engineer.

[@andrewferguson7762]

What a great video, having known next to nothing about electric it was fascinating to watch you diagnose the problem. Really interesting, thanks Martin.

[@retrorestore]

Thanks Andrew,

[@robrusticwoodlandproducts6662]

Nice one Mustie , I mean Martin lol. If you can get that in your garden , you must be able to get some of the slimmer ride on mowers in as well. Just a thought. Cheers. Rob.

[@donovanf1]

You are a man of many talents Martin. To say how expensive those thing are they look so basic under the covers. Cheers Malcolm

[@retrorestore]

Yes, its a con what they charge to fix them.

[@keithr1814]

We have the Trotter Van and the Trotter Mower, gotta be a Trotter Scooter to come.

[@frosty298]

Nice one Martin 👍🏻 With all that beeping though, my Wife thought our smoke alarm was going off !

[@retrorestore]

Haha, it was the indicator though lol

[@terryunwin7493]

Good logical process of elimination always solves the problem, well done mate. Think a few driving lessons might be needed though 😁😁😁

[@retrorestore]

Haha, Not used to these Tez

[@ClickaGeorgestanley78]

your one good man with your hands martin with a good head full of knowledge

[@retrorestore]

Cheers bud

[@stevefinch8519]

had a similar problem at center parts with one it conked out going up a hill . tried to start it but had overheated I think, phoned a mobility specialised who suggested I try the reset button which I did and it came back to life , not sure if it's still OK as in a shed. waiting a hyabusa transplant . good video and guide .

[@retrorestore]

Now that's a project lol

[@peteramberley9952]

Nice job martin i bet you coukd earn a fortune fixing them! Especially if you had a little van and offered a recovery service

[@retrorestore]

I'd need to know more about them though Pete. I know nothing at the moment.

[@Mark...]

Glad to see you back talking, so happy when I seen your 20 minute video, give me something to watch now 👍

[@Phil-1969]

Evening Mart Hope your feeling better mate , great video as well 👍

[@retrorestore]

Getting there Phil.

[@paulelliott2861]

Very informative as normal Martin . As complicated as today’s cars. Hope the new brake sorts it.

[@retrorestore]

It should do Paul. Cheers Martin

[@TheShadeTreeFixitMan]

Good diagnosis, Martin.

[@retrorestore]

Thanks George.

[@ClassicCarCave]

Martin, Great fault finding without a laptop or diagnostic reader lol i bet the want a small fortune to repair it! Cheers Dave

[@retrorestore]

Yes they do Dave, Hundreds of pounds I think

[@vdubs6068]

Great vid Martin 👍 good diagnostic process

[@retrorestore]

Cheers Jamie

[@shanekneeshaw3483]

Highly entertaining haha I also agree down the pub it is haha I'm now off to part 2

[@barrybakewell5278]

another great video Martin it looks like you could turn your hand to anything keep them coming thanks barry

[@retrorestore]

Cheers Barry

[@iainmcnair6897]

Cheers you have hit my problem right away. Great video.

[@retrorestore]

Glad to hear it!

[@paulmayou370]

great find of the fault martin very useful to know keep up the great work

[@shawnmrfixitlee6478]

I knew you could figure it out ! .. AWESOME !

[@retrorestore]

Cheers Shawn

[@victormorales3144]

Thanks for sharing. I need your help. I have a Pride Legend with brake issues, replaced the brake and solve brake problem. Now I have a 2 flash light code indicating "motor disconnected". Brushes look OK. no broken or disconnected wires. Any ideas will be appreciated. Thanks

[@retrorestore]

Hard to say without seeing it bud. sorry.

[@williamweir300]

Cheers martin very well explained 👍 👍

[@retrorestore]

Thanks William,.

[@michaeldominy2084]

I like it, your a very good mechanic on two types of systems.👍. Maybe you can help me, maybe not.🤔on my shoprider the tiller section has a secondary throttle pot on the right handle bar underneath, which is wired to the throttle pot but has no control on it, would you have any idea what this secondary pot is for.plz.🤔

[@retrorestore]

No, sorry Michael.

[@nononsenseBennett]

Great diagnosis doctor!

[@MowerMan]

Yes Martin!! I've looked into these!

[@v4vauxhall498]

I believe your brake is an electro magnet .thanks for the vidJoe

[@brianpercival1829]

"And now for something completely different" From Monty Python. Popped into my head for some reason. Being a electronics technician, your brain works just like mine. Good troubleshooting process. Anyone with the same problems would find this video useful. It's probably that dust clogging up the works deeper inside the solenoid. Any Trotter Van vids coming?

[@retrorestore]

The bleeping was the indicator though Bri haha, £90 for a new brake solenoid. Trotter vids very soon I hope.

[@scottbikerdude4337]

Cracking vid Martin, you should look in to restoring these things for profit, my wife uses one there expensive and people just do away with them when you get problems like this. Scott

[@retrorestore]

Yes, I did think about it a while ago but did not pursue it.

[@0880matty0880]

Another cracking video Martin! 👍

[@retrorestore]

Cheers bud

[@davidthehillbilly7995]

The armature in the relay is stuck because of all the dust etc. it has accumulated over the years. If you had sprayed WD40 around the armature while you had it apart it would free up with no damage to the relay. Hold it so the work side of the armature is slightly down from horizontal, spray in the top of the opening, and watch the crap run out the bottom. Rotate occasionally while keeping the same angle horizontally and spray until the stuff coming out is clear. Good as new but this is probably too late....

[@namenotshown9277]

I am going to try this, I have issue with hot brake, hard to follow what you mean about horizontal etc but sounds like you've tried this, any info appreciated.

[@namenotshown9277]

so took off the ebrake, the coil is potted in resin, so no chance of cleaning it, I did though clean off the clutch surfaces ( the clutch was stuck on when I got the scooter), the ebrake does get quite warm to the touch, resistance is 49 ohmn which is ok, not sure if they should get warm or stay cool?

[@arconeagain]

What relay? Do you mean solenoid?

[@davidlough2182]

nice one martin. deffo crying out for one of those honda engines on the back though lol

[@retrorestore]

Haha, maybe one day Dave

[@DennisHicks78749]

Most wheelchairs and scooters have self-diagnostic indicators that often pinpoint the problem from the start. It is usually how many beeps or flashes of lights. You then compare that number of flashes to the model’s troubleshooting guide and it will tell exactly, or give a general area of the problem. Always better to do than to just start taking it apart as in this video.

[@codycheney3401]

Hey Martin, I am glad to see you work on the same kind of scooter that I own. I really don't use it unless we go to LasVegas or some where that I wouldn't be abble to keep up with the family. They are a right pain in the ass if you ask me but at least I can make it around the house the next day if I use the scooter when my wife tells me to ! Hopw you are feeling better !

[@retrorestore]

I don't know too much about them Cody but we got there in the end. Feeling much better now as well. Cheers Martin

[@michaelwaters8879]

I have 2 of these Go-Go scooters (3 wheelers) and I agree they are a PITA. Both of these have solenoid brake issues. Thanks for this video.

[@jasonwills1116]

You sound ever so pleased with your self

[@joegarrett8110]

I personally think before you return it, you should paint it yellow and put some of your trotters vinyls on it! No income tax, mo.. Bil..ity!Good work 😎

[@retrorestore]

Haha, there's a plan lol

[@mikecox645]

I take it you'll have to do a hard reset by disconnecting the battery, to get rid of that bleeping .nice video

[@retrorestore]

The bleeping was the indicator lol

[@TheMrWoodsman]

Your a clever chap. Paul from the Isle of Man.

[@retrorestore]

Thanks Paul, it would have been nice to have a wiring diagram though lol

[@waynetetley584]

Great tip. I have one to fix. Thanks 👍

[@retrorestore]

No problem 👍

[@jaggass]

You sound alot better now Martin.

[@retrorestore]

Getting there Michael.

[@BarryDarroch]

Great video thanks.

[@stebenit]

enjoyed the vid Martin well done on the fault finding.atb Steve

[@retrorestore]

Cheers Steve

[@jsof2]

The ability to fault-find is a very valuable skill, Martin. And it's great to try new challenges. BTW you looked like you were having way too much fun on that scooter!

[@retrorestore]

Haha, just avoiding the dog $h1t John lol

[@teresawoodward5670]

Hi mate were do you get the replacement electric break please ?

[@retrorestore]

I just googled it

[@joemannella2641]

Simple question. Where are the fuses located on my ewheel 10

[@bigdan2766]

Nice one Martin. There is a massive market for second hand mobility scooters. Maybe time to branch out?

[@retrorestore]

I had thought about it a few years ago but didn't pursue it.

[@bigdan2766]

retrorestore there are so many out there for sale as spares as repairs very cheap and mostly it’s silly little problems. All you need is a small trailor and you’re set mate.

[@brianjames6890]

Enjoyed watching your video and found it most interesting also. Looks as if I might have a similar problem lol. 👍👏👍👏🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@retrorestore]

Thanks for watching!

[@ianmedium]

Looking at the number of mobility scooters around I reckon that might be your next big business move Martin, just make sure the indicator is not on ;)

[@retrorestore]

Haha, yes Ian, It would have helped to have an operation and instruction guide lol

[@ianmedium]

retrorestore it’s easily done, I have done just such crazy things in the past myself, staring me right in the face and I did not see it! But eh, even us perfect men get it wrong on rare occasions! :) :)

[@Brando1667]

Well diagnosed Martin. That scooter really suited you lol. :0

[@Menditman2014]

Hi Martin when i saw the thumb nail, I got concerned I thought your dodgy knee had took a turn for the worse lol.

[@retrorestore]

Haha, No, i'm fine lol

[@Stewpot170778]

Oh well done 👍, you’ve just saved ur mate a load of money.

[@w.j.bendellr.c.flying.1037]

Great Job ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@erictrevizu6744]

Good work sir

[@molegripgarage290]

Very helpful for my nan case hers broke

[@haydenuk02]

Great job

[@josephburch2301]

Thumbs up for helping the friend

[@retrorestore]

Cheers bud

[@charleyboy74]

Thanks for this mate :)

[@retrorestore]

No problem bud.

[@davidvickers9029]

That would cost a fortune to repair at a mobility shop, good job Martin

[@retrorestore]

Yes, a few hundred pounds Dave

[@bigbud10001]

And there's the rub - the companies that make and market these machines have no shame - they take advantage of the most vulnerable citizens. They charge prices affordable by few, put the products through minimal to no quality assurance testing, warranty the batteries through 3rd parties for 6months to a year max, and the remainder of the machines for 1to 3 years making the purchaser jump through almost impossible hoops to prove that the machine was not "abused." If every senior or disabled person could posess the knowledge, skill and physical strength shown here, there wouldn't be so many isolated, lonely people sitting at home with no way to get out and about. Oh and don't forget that you must only use these on well paved surfaces, during dry weather - they can't figure out a way to waterproof -- like cars, bicycles, shoes, baby carriers , etc.

[@vwcol..7719]

Nice video Martin there’s money to be made here😊

[@retrorestore]

Yes there probably is Col, I did think about it a few years ago though.

[@Cubrider]

Very interesting to see how something different works. By the way it suits you lol

[@retrorestore]

Do you think so lol

[@Cubrider]

retrorestore how do we send you stuff? I keep bees and I'm just spinning the honey so was going to send you a jar that's if you want one?

[@retrorestore]

You can email me at [e-mail] and i'll give you ma address. Cheers Martin

[@colinjones7916]

hello I had the same problem now it's fixed thank you

[@otto404]

I am getting Easy Rider mobility scooter the horn is not loud enough hope you make it logo can you change it thank you for your support

[@jerryryberg1454]

Good video, but I'm working on an old Zoom 220 that has sat unused for 10-15 years. I replaced the batteries, and the fuse is good. But all it does is "click" in the reset button. The horn beeps, but that's it. Could something have deteriorated in that unused time? Thank you!

[@retrorestore]

Hard to say without testing it bud, sorry.

[@MowerMan]

Pimp it up as a Phoenix Nights one!

[@retrorestore]

Haha Nice idea Paul

[@janetrowe186]

If I remove things not sure they go back same wsy

[@lawrencebarnaby910]

Great Video and help by the GEICO Gecko Man.

[@michaeldominy2084]

Hi, Do you know how to remove the head control on a shop rider (sovereign), as I need to replace the speed control.? Mick

[@retrorestore]

Sorry bud, I don't.

[@garymucher9590]

As simple as that magnetic brake module is, that would be a piece of cake to fix. However, the drive voltage to operate it could be the problem. And that is either a relay operated or a MOSFET switch. Either are simple to diagnose and replace. JMHO

[@telnil]

I had the same problem with my mums, took the brake apart checked it seemed ok, greased up where the solenoid should relased the brake and by magic it worked again.

[@retrorestore]

Yes, I'll strip it down again before I buy a new one.

[@wimleo71]

Hi Martin... just bought the same one, With the same problem. Did you order a new solinoide? And it worked? Or did you do something else with it?

[@retrorestore]

Yes it worked, Check out part 2 at kzbin.info/www/bejne/raivYp2VjbaNgbc

[@wimleo71]

Thanks for your feedback. Do you know if you can ride it without the electric brake?

[@retrorestore]

@@wimleo71 Its dangerous to do that bud.

[@wimleo71]

@@retrorestore well... on my other scooter the brake is still there, but not on the mother anymore... just wrapped to the chassis ... and still, everything works.. even the motor brake

[@AndrewBryantPianoTuner]

Excellent vid

[@simonrawle7885]

is that scooter got a can bus network on it martin ?

[@retrorestore]

I don't know anything about these Si.

[@Yngwiejmalmsteen08]

I just subbed 👍

[@retrorestore]

Cheers bud.

[@abmac58]

would that part be a parking brake Martin as when you stopped it was roling about a bit

[@retrorestore]

No Bert, it's the main motor brake. It has a manual parking brake though.

[@DaveJudd]

Loads of money in breaking scooters Martin . This time next year your be a millionaire.

[@retrorestore]

Yes, I've been looking on Ebay, so dear.

[@999thenewman]

Gotta look dapper on a luxury vehicle like that.

[@retrorestore]

Haha and it has a basket lol

[@MrLalla2020]

You definitely deserve 👍

[@johnmichaelphilipguy-gibbe795]

Hi Martin, i've got one i'm working on, batteries not keeping there charge, problem was that i didn't charge it regular,it was left for over a year, i've been told that if you don't use your scooter,you must charge it at least once a month, i just thought this would be helpful too someone,cheers

[@retrorestore]

Nice one John, This one is used daily.

[@SuperKingslaw]

Simply remove the electronic brake, leaving the electrical connection intact, and see if the motor still turns without popping the breaker.

[@alchemy1]

what is the purpose of the electronic brake anyway besides causing problem? All it is doing to locking up the motor. Plus from what I see, it has to have constant voltage applied to it in order to press against the spring so the motor can turn. What am I missing?

[@retrorestore]

its so it doesn't roll off when you come to a standstill

[@alchemy1]

@@retrorestore At 11:20 time frame as you are about to take the spring out, isn't there suppose to be a yoke of some sort inside the spring? Doesn't the magnetic field of the coil act on that yoke pulling it down and perhaps the yoke's top edge lip of it cover the spring and by that top edge it pulls the spring down, realesing the tension. Maybe that is why the solenoid is not working. The coil as you said had the right resistence spec. How else would the tension of the spring be released? I doubt if the magnetic field works on the spring itself. I would assume it does but it won't be concentrated enough to exert enough force on it to compress it. Also if you look closer at the pressure plate , the third piece you took out looks like it is upside down backwards. There is clear circular recess in the center of it. Doesn't that recess part suppose to face down toward the spring, si the spring and the yoke gets seated and alighned in the center and straight up just for good operation? Furthermore the recessed part is circular, not 6 sided or whatever so to accomodate that motor yoke. I bet if you flip over that pressure plate you will see the marking of the motor yoke against it. It is my detective inside telling me. It is just an idea. I am no expert. I think somehow someobody forgot to put the yoke back on, then got the pressure plate installed backwards.. if this thing had been worked on before.....I don't know.

[@dodgydruid]

Yo from here in High dependency ICU Southampton hospital freshly opened up and all new splicing

[@retrorestore]

Nice one Ian, glad you came through it ok bud.

[@richardssherman2146]

I picked up a gogo ultra x for hobbie purposes, and will admit this scooter is a little bit frustrating to figure out at first. 2 things i noticed right away--first: pride mobility says there is no bypass for or disconnection of the speed controller (supposedly there isn't one). This is not true. There is no speed limiter aside from the adjustment knob on dash. It can be bypassed which defualts to top speed. Second: the electric brae can be removed and bypassed from the controller. (Tricked into thinking its there when its completely disconnected. I have added a 24v led light and connected it directly to brake harness plug. This has increased the range of my Mobility Scooter beyond the 8 Mile maximum. Battery does not drain as quickly now the electronic brake has been removed

[@maryellenwaite1358]

Thanks

[@moodyjeep]

Bleeping lovely mart. Baz.

[@retrorestore]

It was the indicator Baz lol

[@moodyjeep]

Hahahahah. lol

[@كاظمالابراهيمي-ط8ث]

شكرا استاذ

[@mrmagoo3079]

You should jack this in m8 you got the voice of ray Winston you could be a stand in for him lol

[@irwinmcevoy]

Could this be a new venture for yourself and Gary, I wonder how many broken scooters there are sitting about

[@retrorestore]

Haha, too many other projects on.

[@janetrowe186]

Have to work on it in morn.

[@rogeroconnor5182]

they are more fun with a gas engine on them,lol. the coolest one i have seen has a body off a amusement park ride and seats 2,they cruise the car shows with it here

[@retrorestore]

Yes Colin Furze did a good one.

[@rogeroconnor5182]

just watched the 4 videos,pretty slick

[@adamgc73]

You should have pimped it out with a lawn mower engine 😱👍😜

[@retrorestore]

Haha, Maybe one for the future.

[@postal53]

What is the normal voltage that feeds the motor 12 or 24 volts.

[@retrorestore]

!2 if I remember rightly.

[@cw2126]

fred flintstone feet stopping time👍👍👍

[@danielclift1]

Plenty of Honda engines under the table chuck one of those on it

[@retrorestore]

Maybe one day Dan lol

[@j.zingler6735]

Wheeeeeeee.................. :)

[@edd6113]

What's the owner going to say when they get it back and its got mower blade fitted underneath!!! And trotter van logos!

[@retrorestore]

Haha, there's a thought lol

[@janetrowe186]

I have Companion rider .got new battery.guy threw it out.had it run in for while.then tried again .but it won't start now.

[@billsmith4840]

Looks like fun

[@retrorestore]

Yes, I know a bit more about them now Bill.

[@berndb.5097]

Hello Martin, I have been dealing with something similar a few times already. In my case it was a stairlift. There the same electric motor had been installed. It was also installed this kind of electric brake. I found out that it is powered by 24V (just like the electric motor). This brake was monitored by the controller. On the one hand, whether it was installed (resistance measurement) and which current it consumes. The same applies to the traction motor this is controlled by a Mosfet H-bridge, which can also be partially deffekt. For all errors that can occur, the warning sound was send out (like our scooter ....beep, beep, beep......). The brake should make a more audible hard "KLACK". I think also that this is broken. But I also believe that this has broken something in the controller. cheers Bernd

[@berndb.5097]

Oh, I´ve read ..... it was the turn signal. Congartulation, so you have only to deal with the broken brake :-)

[@retrorestore]

Haha, Yes Bernd. It was the turn signal but you are correct, the brake seems weak. It did have the 24 volts going to it though so I suspect a faulty brake.

[@MRWonderingHaggis]

You would think at the price of the mobility scoter they would use good parts

[@retrorestore]

I don't know anything about them Matt.