Part 1 of Megyn Kelly's interview with Duggar sisters Jill and Jessa

Jill and Jessa defended their brother Josh in part one of a "Kelly File" exclusive.

[@heatherann7832]

“People called him a pedophile and that’s just not true”... well that didn’t age well.

[@Kelcifur]

Why what happened

[@ToniBryanneTV]

@@Kelcifur he was just arrest on child pornography charges. Video with full details on my KZbin channel.

[@rturney6376]

Heather eat sh&Zyrtec!

[@guitarforlife238]

damn beat me to the comment. respect

[@mandylloyd4689]

This is an old interveiw before his family knew about this

[@deliciousness8183]

Who's here after he was arrested again?

[@gemsbyjackie5479]

Me. And i think it is terrible. Hope and pray his own children or any for that matter did not become victims of his behavior

[@josealaniz1402]

Yo

[@nicolegallon5582]

🥴

[@mimicanada1957]

They never learn

[@charitizzle6028]

@@gemsbyjackie5479 exactly. He should have been sterilized and ended. No doubt he has abused his own kids. Infants on his computer!🤮 absolutely no room for freaks like that in our society

[@sweetcaroline9596]

Just read Jill’s new book, chilling to know Josh was sitting just off screen watching them film this entire interview

[@China-Clay]

Yep, how did Megan allow that??

[@lifesabeachnyc8568]

It really is. Heartbreaking that the girls were treated as so low-value.

[@d1zzyd1]

Inappropriate touching...How about calling it what it is...MOLESTING...

[@zskt4205]

What's the difference

[@mirandapriest4934]

It is more sensitive to the victim. It is a less harsh was to say it

[@Autumn1988]

Given how sheltered those girls were they probably didn't;t know the terminology for it. Proper, appropriate sex ed is important and should cover consent and what is and is not ok

[@vivelise16]

@@zskt4205 please stfu.

[@heatherjosefina534]

They most likely downplay the situation with not saying the molesting because they clearly want their brother to not be hated but also I don’t think that they actually even know what that word means. In their mind a molester is some big monster, not their older brother

[@soupey]

This is horrible, it sounds like they’re downplaying the severity of it.

[@megansampson5445]

Likely a protection mechanism ... leaning on the fact they were not aware that it had happened and didn't have any memory of the actual act... so it is less real to them. It probably helps them get through the traumatic event I think :*( But years down the road, it probably is still really hard for them and disgusts them.

[@ja2067]

Their family is all they have known. Homeschooled and constantly being together. I don’t think they know any better sadly. Plus the religion I think keeps them closed lipped.

[@carolynsmith9972]

Their daddy told them to downplay it. I’d bet money on it. Terrible parenting

[@sarabrown2663]

They were. Jill has outed him. She caught him, and went to her parents. Jim Bob and Shelly held the purse strings, and the girls said what their parents told them to say. That is why Jill quit Counting On, and moved to El Salvador.

[@katiejohnston988]

Watching this interview five years later and knowing now how much these girls have changed since then, I feel like their parents probably forced them to downplay the real story for viewers. A lot of it does sound very scripted to me and like it’s not their true words. It’s like it’s somebody else’s words which they are being told to say, so sad. 😞

[@izzy9494]

If my brother touched me I would be devastated I would never look at him, never forgive him ever again

[@nicoledylan6532]

Purple Strike are u fucking kidding me

[@luxlisbon2727]

Purple Strike this has to be a fucking joke

[@AllieLittleMonster]

Purple Strike what kind of bullshit excuse is that? Women also go through puberty and get horny. Everyone in the world does. I never thought about molesting my little brother. Anyone with a conscious and a brain knows that they need to suck it up and get your sexual urges out in a healthy way that isn’t... sexual abuse.

[@mariabarnica3055]

Purple Strike ur kidding right

[@faith123rox]

In a family setting, it is hard to realize the reality of how wrong things really are. Especially when it's downplayed and normalized by everyone else. I think they did the "best" they thought they could do without putting Josh in a toxic environment and splitting apart their family.

[@janahahaha6185]

Is nobody worried that this man has a female child?

[@annm861]

Jana Havranek 4 years late but yes I’m worried he’ll touch his innocent little girl

[@danielhainline8882]

Jana, besides Mackynzie Josh and Anna have another small daughter named Meredith.

[@nukapuka]

Is not right but he is not a pedo. Pedos go for children under 8.

[@OnTropolis]

@@nukapuka what the hell are you talking about?? A pedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to children. Children, point blank! Also, Jill and Jessa were 10 and 12 but the OLDEST of those abused by Josh.

[@Lillyparkernewsom]

@@nukapuka wtf

[@kayleewilliams3266]

This is even more heartbreaking to watch now after the trial and Bobye Holt’s testimony. These girls truly were brainwashed and gaslit for almost 20 years, and for the truth to only finally now come out in this terrible way.. Justice was served in the courts today, but they deserve justice and healing from the terrible abuse they were blindly given by their parents.

[@suerehder-long8287]

Their parents need to be held accountable, but sadly, that won’t ever happen.

[@lifesabeachnyc8568]

Now Jill has also disclosed that during this interview Josh was sitting right off camera watching their interview and that she (at least) felt coerced.

[@jackiezorko2562]

@@lifesabeachnyc8568, that is just terrible . Why would megyn Kelly permit Josh to be nearby ?

[@friencheetah]

"mild inappropriate touching" "On fully clothed girls" "He did it when we were sleeping so we weren't aware" They're downplaying this like it's nothing when it's very serious. It doesn't matter if it was on fully clothed victims, it doesn't matter how "mild" it was, it's still a molestation, and it doesn't matter if you were sleeping. It's still WRONG and something like this should never be taken lightly or downplayed. This really shows how much females are taken seriously and disrespected in their mindset.

[@YamCherie]

Chicken Wings. The girls have a right to be accurate in how they describe what happened. A victim of abuse has a need to not portray it as something different than what it was. When the girls say "mild inappropriate touching," it isn't because they are minimizing what happened. It is because they are specifying mild versus anything more extreme. If they had been touched under their clothes or in their underwear, then that would be worse. It isn't that mild is ok, it is simply that extreme is worse. They are stating the facts, and you shouldn't pick apart the girls' words and try to make it mean something else. You shouldn't accuse the girls of not taking this seriously, when they just said it was serious and it was wrong. The parents did a great job in handling the matter, but the public wants to dramatize and say the parents were irresponsible.

[@57andstillkicking]

YamCherie You are absolutely right.

[@Whompwhomp1028]

I absolutely agree that he is in the wrong, but you need to keep in mind that this is their brother, their parents probably don’t want them to condemn him for what he did. They probably want to condemn them but they know that their parents wound disapprove.

[@zskt4205]

You cant tell them how to feel. God forbid if they dont see themselves as helpless victims 🙄🙄

[@SparkyBites]

@@YamCherie Bingo! It's so crazy seeing all these illogical comment from people who literary just want to demonise this poor family. How much do you have to hate Christianity to be this blind?

[@TheOreodaisy]

I wonder what would happen if they interviewed the girl not from the family...

[@izzy9494]

Talia Waterman I wish they did

[@AllieLittleMonster]

I have a feeling it’s Amy Duggar, cousin.

[@akaginny7516]

@@AllieLittleMonster Supposedly it is the daughter of one of Jim Bob's friends in the political world

[@janemcnaughten7275]

My great uncle "inappropriately" touched me when I was 10.I told my parants. I have never forgotten what happened to me. You never get over it. These girls need help, this is not ok

[@Kathleennebel]

I’m so sorry, happened to me as well.. it’s unreal, these ladies need counseling.

[@Ashl3yMC]

Same, but my grandfather.

[@nickanthony90]

But they weren't even aware of it.... Other than being told it happened to them. The only counseling they could possibly need would be from having to deal with all of us telling them what they should be feeling. Also, an uncle is light years different than a 14 year old family member.

[@nickanthony90]

@@shannonsuggs1152 I can do whatever I want. I'm entitled to my own opinion. Also, it's these girls that are diminishing their own experience. Look if it really hurts your feelings that bad then I'll take back my statement about a 14 year old versus a 50 year old (as dumb as that is). In this current situation, my main point was that these girls had zero knowledge of ever being touched until their parents told them. So in this situation, absolutely no counseling was needed and no damage done to their knowledge until they were told that there should be damage. It was thrown in their face and now they have the world telling them that they're victims and they should feel pain. If they need counseling it's because of words and thoughts, not because of anything physical that happened.

[@janemcnaughten7275]

Well it was the 1970's, so nothing. He is dead now, I never went to his funeral and I hate to say this, but was very glad when he died. Unfortunately we also shared the same birthday. Not pleasant I can tell you.

[@nikkigeraci6536]

There isn’t anything you can say to downplay your own brother touching you. I’m so sorry your family put you guys through this.

[@xxJodelleFerlandxx]

Being curious about girls is normal…. feeling up your sisters - especially a five year old! - is not!

[@ehdizzzle]

Who was 5? Joy? :(

[@highjinx6519]

@@ehdizzzle yep.

[@kleeamd8274]

Exactly!! NOT that it was right at all - but if Josh was really curious about girls, wouldn't he have felt up the girls already developing and NOT a 5 yr old?!

[@JanuaryLovesSelena]

14 is an age where you know right from wrong ESPECIALLY if you're a Duggar... He doesn't have an excuse

[@rhondaouwenga7429]

Ikr

[@victoriatackett1082]

He was probably touched too and it was a learned behavior... there’s no outside contact so if he were touched by a family members or community member, he wouldn’t know it’s wrong i don’t think. He wouldn’t know anything different

[@user-dn3px1gc4o]

@@victoriatackett1082 do NOT try to justify that its disgusting

[@chrismorrison3375]

Actually, it's by age 7. If you do it right by age 4

[@taylorlagasse9373]

1. He still touched a 10 and 12 year old. Reminder, they were the oldest of the girls too aside from the babysitter. So the other girls were probably younger. That's not "hormonal", that's fucked up. 2. They literally used the "boys will be boys" excuse 3. How can the family advocate pro-straight marriage but yet have their son touch little kids. 4. It still happened, whether they all forgave him 12 years ago or not. It still happened and it doesn't go away.

[@coolgirlkaceyl4470]

Taylor Lagasse I didn’t mean to unlike it sorry

[@_morganisgoofy]

Okay, but people can change and it’s very good to forgive people, we should all forgive and stop hating. They are simply trying to raise there kids right, but that does not make them perfect, they still make mistakes.

[@victoriagordon166]

jana is the oldest so there is one older daughter

[@user-ok2xn1fy5i]

@@_morganisgoofy he didn't change. He's been arrested for harbouring over 200 elplict material of child rape material. Including pictures from victims as young as 2.

[@shahee6579]

He was 14 btw. Young people make mistakes . Not okay but let people change their ways and forgive

[@sexywen26]

I truly feel sorry for these young women. They sound brain washed. These interviews sound rehearsed. All in the efforts to down play their brother's action's. Very sad.

[@jodifoster9820]

Wouldn’t you be brainwashed if you parents mentally abused you telling you you were in the wrong

[@emilycheek3077]

They aren't brainwashed. They were protecting themselves

[@Stprincess]

Megyn Kelly is a horrible interviewer. She keeps interrupting them.

[@jdoitt96]

Stprincess she was also trying to get a straight answer from them bc they were tip toeing around the questions and sugar coating everything

[@maddietrafford1225]

Literally the second I saw her face I knew she fuckin sucked, she just has an awful face and the personality to match.

[@maddietrafford1225]

Catherine Wilson imagine thinking just because she’s a woman, she’s exempt from being dislikes lmao wow

[@adriancrevan]

@@maddietrafford1225 Imagine judging someone's personality and professionalism in their job just by their face.

[@jordiflower]

RIGHT? Thank you

[@mthomas183]

“He’s never again going to go down that path” 😂

[@aimeelamb9421]

She they felt like they failed as parents. They did. They had so many kids they pawned the younger kids off on the older ones

[@cascadestars]

yep

[@maxx1000]

Why does FOXNews(R) feel the need to normalize CHILD MOLESTATION? What about the neighbor girl? ... She doesn't count?

[@zelie-catheriner52]

Agreed. And one of the victims was fully awake as he read to her and touched her breast and genitals *directly*, under her clothes. Was that one of the younger sisters or the neighbor? I am appalled but not surprised in the least by how everyone in the family is minimizing this.

[@abbyh.4080]

***** When did the station normalize anything? and they talked about the other victims.

[@keefriff99]

***** Are you kidding me? Because they're WHITE REPUBLICANS. This is all about tribalism. This is how sick conservatism has become in America. They're all about sticking together and thumbing their noses at all their perceived enemies (liberals, gays, minorities, etc.)...they've got a collective chip on their shoulders the size of Rhode Island and a persecution complex that the Jews in Nazi Germany would have envied. And their continued existence is an embarrassment for all civilized Americans.

[@abbyh.4080]

***** Those comments were from the girls not Fox. Fox news can't control the Duggars' opinions.

[@keefriff99]

Jessica F. Bwahahahahaha. Poor naive girl. Roger Ailes controls every word spewed on that fetid, Goebbels-eque cesspool of filth.

[@jessicasanchez537]

Wowwwwwwwwwww This did not age well , ladies. Jim bob and Mrs. Jim bob prepped them really well.

[@couponingismyjam404]

I’m not believing all four girls slept during the entirety of the molesting or that he confessed...

[@musichealseveryone]

They slipped up around the 10 minute mark and admitted that sometimes they were awake.

[@InevitableMonth29]

It’s now become clear, through court documents, that they were definitely not sleeping during it.

[@BetterDays_]

Clearly he's not a "totally different person". They are so brainwashed.

[@jkkgg833]

This is sad and disgusting. As a victim myself of child molestation. A very similar situation. Only it was a step brother. This still is being molested. My dad and step mom also made me feel at the time like it was not that big of a deal it was "mild". It took me many many years to realize this was a problem and not ok. There is no such thing as mild molesting. There is something mentally wrong with a person who touches young girls like that while they are sleeping or awake. I cannot believe the excuse of well he was a teenage boy in puberty... like that's an excuse. There are tons of teenage boys in puberty with little sisters, that never ever would dream of doing this to them. And not just 1 girl he did this to but 5 girls!! Not that 1 would make it any better... but are you serious??!! Sad sad sad my heart aches for these girls.

[@jkkgg833]

That's not made up at all. That's my life, unfortunately. Sad that you live in a fantasy world thinking people go around making this stuff up.

[@ashleyashleym2969]

Johnna Garrett Exactly, once someone shows signs of doing that they are always at risk for doing the behaviour again, I don't mean attack the person because they really are fucked up in the head but you don't let stuff like that slide, you need to take them to the police or at the very least make them get real psychiatric evaluation and counselling in how to resist such urges and if such urges can't be resisted they have to go to jail end of story.

[@brookebowers3529]

Johnna Garrett same here ecep escal8ed 2 rape....I was 10 did Jessa say she was 10 also? Joshs grow up have progeny and moles heir kids ask me or any of my friends sad he has 2 girls under 6!

[@jordannadilan2337]

I was molested as a young teenager, raped as well, the fact that they have their own children and will defend their brother somewhat is heartbreaking. As a parent I would be disgusted because now think if your child was the victim, would you excuse it?

[@emiliesarringhaus5363]

im so sorry

[@alexandriamargret5585]

If this was my son and daughter , he’d be out immediately at a mental health facility and she’d be getting counseling !im so sorry on what happened to you

[@carmelalaurelli2188]

I am sorry about what happened to you, I pray you will be completely healed. I understand most of it since I experienced similar things. I did not grow up in a Christian environment at all. I wanted to point out that being molested is different from rape. Both wrong, no doubt, but it is not the same, specifically because in their case the girls did not even notice what was going on [which would have made it worse to heal if they did]. We should remember that he was a child himself, bad choices do not define us. It is unfortunate 😕 but blaming someone for their whole life for what they did as a child is not right. Also, as Christians we are called to forgive and have the desire to do so. We do not want to carry the burden of trauma, resentment and hate; it causes pain to ourselves...we understand that we sin everyday and that sin is serious and destructive spiritually even if we like to call some sins greater than others, they are the same- and that if God has forgiven us, so we should be able to do the same with others.. Despite how impossible it could seem there is true and definite forgiveness through Jesus&He heals de most deep wounds. He is their brother, back then a child and they did the right thing for themselves and under God's eyes. What happened later is unfortunate, but we have free will and control over our actions..

[@stephanielazo1762]

@@carmelalaurelli2188 He was 14. that's old enough to know what consent is and old enough to know not to touch your younger sisters. if he did it while they were sleeping, it is because he knew it was wrong. Also, he clearly hasn't changed since then.

[@iwant2haveu]

@@leaky_666 that’s actually the best way for early intervention in these situations and studies and data support that…

[@katie5096]

Bless their hearts. This is definitely how abuse works. The subtlety. Victims many times do not realize they are even being abused at first. I am so sorry these girls have had to go through the mental gaslighting like this. It’s so confusing. Praying for further healing for them. God bless them.

[@rachelhurt7271]

This interview aged like milk. I would love to know Megyn Kelly’s opinion about all this.

[@emilycheek3077]

She'll do a follow up I bet. Or stay quiet like most people 🙄

[@annic.9605]

I call bullshit. The parents 100% would have kept Josh’s confession away from the daughters if they thought they really “didn’t remember anything.”

[@calledchuck]

I would hope not. If this had happened to me while I was sleeping, I would want my parents to tell me.

[@blondieluvs21]

They're completely downplaying it and it's so sad to watch. I'm sure they were convinced when they were young that it's "not that bad"

[@alexandriamargret5585]

My prosecutor had to help me quit downplaying my attempted rape. I kept calling myself lucky. It took 6 years for me to realize I wasn’t lucky to be choked and have to fight a man off in between consciousness as lucky..

[@China-Clay]

And to now know, Joshy was sitting right there in the room, off camera, during this interview, so gross and disgusting 🤮

[@Cypress-gg3yt]

The fact that Josh was in the room for their interview

[@Debsdeathinsurance]

I wonder if it had been a stranger who had molested them would they be so forgiving? And what would their reaction be if was one of their children uncle josh molested?

[@areliperez3767]

I don't think so.....

[@Jodha1]

EXACTLY! Such liars and hypocrites

[@jordiflower]

100%

[@laniebriscoe1269]

It makes me so sad that they are comparing their stories to other stories of sexual assault. What happened to them was wrong no matter how “mild” they feel it was. All assault is assault. I wish someone would tell them that it was still wrong and still assault even if they feel the molestation was “mild”

[@flippercat3304]

Meygan Kelly could have done that imo. She could have replied to Jessa right then and said something to the effect that ALL touching is wrong, mild or not. But she didn’t say a single word. That’s the part about the interview that disappointed me the most. There was absolutely nothing Kelly replied when the girls made such minimizing or covering up statements. The girls talked like it was no big deal and Kelly just let their statements fly by. How disappointing.

[@shahwilloughby4603]

The sad thing is is their parents TOLD them it was mild. How would THEY know .. they weren't there? I believe Josh ONLY told his parents to get in before any of the sisters said anything. The parents went off what Josh told then. They hide behind their cloak of religion. DISGUSTING!!!! And how can the girls tell the Police that it was nothing much .. they were asleep!!!!

[@Busyhriehfjeje]

Why was Josh allowed to sit off camera while the girls were giving their interview? According to Jill’s new book, “Answering all Megyn’s questions, with Josh watching from a couch just out of shot, was like having a bandage ripped off a deep and open wound.” Excerpt From Counting the Cost Jill Dillard Can someone please answer why this was allowed?

[@espor9297]

How did happern in frist place

[@fromhumblebeginnings7798]

Why didn't the interviewer say anything?

[@piperforbes9181]

When the older girl said one of the safeguards was no more "hide and seek where two people went off together", to me it sounds as if there were more incidents than just when the girls were sleeping. I hope these girls are checked on. Why should the monster get council and help but not the victims

[@cheapskateaquatics7103]

The only reason Josh came forward about touching his sisters was because he was caught. He didn't come clean about it until he was caught in the act by Jill. He had not only touch his sisters, but also a baby sitter and a girl outside the family. I have no doubt that there was alot more that went on than that.

[@bsrk3170]

Rewatch at 10:05 she slips and admits that they were awake.

[@amberfoster8089]

Rewatching this after his recent arrest. He's a deviant, SP. So glad Jill has got away from her biological family.

[@Rachelroberts87]

those tears were for the pain she’s unable to express about what happened to her, not what was happening to her brother…there’s so much pain behind those fake smiles

[@artsenal714]

Jill concedes not long ago, that they were forced to this interview

[@karendarnall1243]

It is now known Josh was in the room, along with the parents, when this interview with the girls was done. How cruel is that?

[@The4s]

WOW 😮

[@allisoncalnan5677]

The way they downplay their own abuse is so sad.

[@julioroberto7186]

"Would you call yourself a victim?" "THERE ARE LIES TOLD BY THE MEDIA ABOUT MY BROTHER"

[@dancequeen1080]

this interviewer doesn't even let them finish their thoughts. so annoying and rude.

[@sage678]

Megan Kelly is repulsive

[@jordiflower]

Right

[@adannunez4808]

These girls talk like they can't form a sentence without thinking too hard.

[@imjustanasshlesometimes3488]

@@TheLauraVEffect They're fundies not Mormon.

[@mikhalaa746]

Totally different person? Someone who finds children attractive can NEVER be "fixed"

[@sararao8429]

He never got extensive therapy from a real therapist outside the church, how could he possibly be different...

[@MrStimpackcat]

I want to hear from the none family member I wanna hear from her. I would not be suprised if the duggars paid her off to shut her up

[@NatlovesJesus1]

She probably don't want the whole world knowing her business. Don't be so quick to judge. If it was me I wouldn't blurt it out for people's entertainment either. None of yours or anyone's business. Geesh🙄😒

[@evalenasbabys]

Natalie Loves God victims should never stay quiet, we have a voice and and should bring out the skeletons in the closet because this is not something that should be swept under the rug. When someone molests a child it should not be a secret so yeah it is the public’s business because the public should know the dangers of a sick minded pervert.

[@finleyjune]

@@evalenasbabys victims have the choice to remain quiet. everyone copes in different ways. the ones who speak up are amazing but not everyone has the strength for that, which is perfectly fine. it is 100% the victims choice. -a victim.

[@finleyjune]

@@evalenasbabys victims have the choice to remain quiet. everyone copes in different ways. the ones who speak up are amazing but not everyone has the strength for that, which is perfectly fine. it is 100% the victims choice. -a victim.

[@mikexxxmilly]

9 times out of 10 victims feel ashamed and they don’t want to get on national tv about it

[@Juwlz]

Watching this now, knowing that these girls were lied to by their parents about the extent of what Josh did to them and the others, it's heartbreaking. Jill and Joy attended the trial to find out the truth, how heartbreaking is that? That they realized that they were lied to by their parents and that the only way to find out what happened to them, was to hear it on the stand in court. I am so glad that Jill has somewhat woken up and distanced herself from this family and I hope the other girls follow in time. It's vile to know that the girls weddings made Jim Bob so much money and that he kept that money from them. They should be set for life, but Jimbob hoarded the money to himself

[@potluck712]

Who was testifying about more stuff happening to them?

[@Juwlz]

@@potluck712 I wrote this over a year ago so I can't remember who anymore , I just remember that a lot of details about what happened to Joy was revealed in trial, than what was said by the Duggars and that people close to the family stated that Joy was going to the trial to finally find out. She was only like 4 or 5 when Josh did those things to her and it's horrific the way it was downplayed to protect Josh

[@silvereagle2061]

Whether or not you back the Duggars or not, coming forward before millions of people on TV is not an easy task. I have to give them some credit for doing this interview. Child molestation is not something one would want to talk about.

[@emmadodson2074]

Robert Dambeck according to them, it wasn't child molestation, it was "mild unwanted touching." So now little girls watching this will think what's happening to them is not a crime. I guess Michelle teaches home law school too.

[@silvereagle2061]

Emma Dodson No such thing as "mild unwanted touching". Amazing how they can come up with a new term not recognized by victims of molestation.

[@ChristianpublishersOrg01]

Robert Dambeck It is quite easy. JOSH: He touched the girls with their close on, likely on the vagina and the breast, merely copping a feel. Moreover, maybe he did the same in fake wrestling matches. JOHN SMITH: A guy I counseled, fingered the vagina of his 18-month-old girl as well as performing oral sex on her. NOW, how would you differentiate the two as to the level of gravity. You see, it is called qualifying what happened. JOSH: mild unwanted touch JOHN: gross sexual contact Can we label them both the same while explaining to a counselor, the police etc.? It is like the news media calls all sex offenders, sex offenders and they generally do not qualify. However, there is usually three level of sex offenders Basic sex offender Habitual sex offender Preditor A basic sex offender could be a person of 22 who bought beer for an 18-year-old, got her drunk, they had sex, she changes her mind, and he is convicted of sexual battery, meaning he used the alcohol to loosen up her inhibitions. The predator would be someone like John Smith in the above. Generally speaking, most states have a revised code law book that offers many levels of sexual offenses and they are qualified, just like the language the girls used. These are likely phrases that the counselor used with them, or maybe even the police.

[@ChristianpublishersOrg01]

Emma Dodson It is quite simple. JOSH: He touched the girls with their close on, likely on the vagina and the breast, merely copping a feel. Moreover, maybe he did the same in fake wrestling matches. JOHN SMITH: A guy I counseled, fingered the vagina of HIS 18-month-old girl as well as performing oral sex on her. NOW, how would you differentiate the two as to the level of gravity? You see, it is called qualifying what happened. JOSH: mild unwanted touch JOHN: gross sexual contact Can we label them both the same while explaining to a counselor, the police etc.? It is like the news media calls all sex offenders, sex offenders and they generally do not qualify. However, there is usually three level of sex offenders Basic sex offender Habitual sex offender Preditor A basic sex offender could be a person of 22 who bought beer for an 18-year-old, got her drunk, they had sex, she changes her mind, and he is convicted of sexual battery, meaning he used the alcohol to loosen up her inhibitions. The predator would be someone like John Smith in the above. Generally speaking, most states have a revised code law book that offers many levels of sexual offenses and they are qualified, just like the language the girls used. These are likely phrases that the counselor used with them, or maybe even the police.

[@Luv11518]

Robert Dambeck I honestly believe they are doing it to save the show from being pulled. And to keep their good image. They are trying to justify what's wrong.

[@food2524232221]

"mild inappropriate touching" let me just say, touching someone inappropriately without consent should never be put on a scale and it should never be justifiable.

[@graceelizabeth1742]

And now Derick came out saying Jim Bob basically forced Jill into during this interview while she was not fully healed. More problems. Besides what Derick has done in the past, perhaps he’s helping Jill out of the brainwash

[@caitlynclark7882]

“Our son Josh came to us on his own”….they’re trying to make him sound like the good guy here. So messed up.

[@camillaa1353]

Like bitch I remember everything crystal clear when I was 9

[@teresawoods4094]

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[@turbocat1984]

Camilla A I don't remember shit from when I was 9...

[@bekarockz1]

Wtf I don't? LOL

[@harleyxoo]

I had no life other than my ds when I was 9 so I don't remember shit

[@TGODZebra7]

War vets remember the war when they were much younger... Traumatic experiences are often remembered.

[@beetee8447]

The way they are looking at each other says otherwise about "not keeping it a secret." As a 12-13 year old, seeing this series set off red flags to me. I cannot believe they are indoctrined to enable this patriarchy. How can you not TEACH your young girls to understand the importance of others' respect to their own bodies to the point of blowing it off as a "bad decision"?

[@georgia8592]

Totally agree 👍❤️

[@sidda3262]

They weren’t allowed to hold hands or “front hug”, they all absolutely understood that their privates couldn’t be touched by anyone.

[@kleeamd8274]

@op the "patriarchy"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@heatherc3488]

that’s a flat out lie. They knew. There’s no way they didn’t. That’s unheard of

[@josefinejohansson5526]

My dads best friend touched me when i was little and i didt really understand that it was a sexual thing for him before i was an adulte i just knew it was wrong and that i didt like it so i can understand that

[@modernwomanTv]

Little touching here and there??? Touching is touching! These people shun even kissing a person they are dating so all of a sudden being touched by their brother is mild, not as bad, subtle.... I think that's like saying verbal or psychological abuse isn't abuse because it doesn't involved bodily damage or harm! Btw Jill is such an unrealistic liar, u can tell but Jessa is managing to play it well. I just know in time truth will eat them up & they'll be forced to spill it out

[@bye230]

Exactly, this family is built on hypocrisy.

[@amo224]

I liked interesting how Jill forced that crying episode to gain sympathy.....I didn't believe that shit for a minute! Fakers!

[@lizamarielozano5206]

Mz RunwayRazz you have a good point. we shall see

[@lizamarielozano5206]

A Mo it was not fake her tears they were real look again

[@amo224]

They were tears after she tried extremely hard to muster them up in a few minutes....terrible liars...

[@caskettlover70]

So they don't condone the physical aspect of a relationship before marriage, but find it acceptable for Josh to molest his sisters. What the hell? What Josh did to his sisters is not 'inappropriate touching' it is molestation. The Duggars are such hypocrites. So many young boys who go through puberty are curious about girls, but don't molest their sisters. Just FYI to Jessa

[@Unicorn_rancher]

this aged like milk

[@ckilpat86]

I would love to hear Jill speak about this now that she is free from her crazy family.

[@lisagoehringer424]

Yes now that we know exactly what he did

[@georgia8592]

@@lisagoehringer424 He should have been stopped years ago

[@calledchuck]

She wrote a blog after his conviction. She said they had been lied to for so long they wanted to hear the evidence in court. Having heard it, they agree with the verdict.

[@juliekeast6175]

What Megyn nor the Duggars told anyome until Jill' new book is that just out of shot sitting near where the girls were being interviewed was their predator of a brother.

[@PapaShango619]

Lol that remark about when he came back "he was a totally different person" That did not age well.

[@Supablonde1]

VERY angry at these girls- never thought the WHOLE family would lie and cover up- The report states that girls had come forward and said Josh had been feeling their genitals and breasts while they slept,now they are all saying they never felt anything as they were sleeping???!!!!!!!!!!...................

[@holly.mckenzie]

CandaceWhite Being completely honest, you have absolutely no right to be angry at these girls. They can say anything they want to be comfortable with the situation. Unless you have ever been through something like this, you have no idea. They don't have anything to prove, people will make up their own stories & lies about them anyway.

[@uniquesprings89]

Not sure where you've been reading that but the truth is right in this video and from the very beginning this is the story that I have heard .

[@JSB1882]

CandaceWhite Well - there's a lot of money in "reality" Television - I bet they hate losing that income.

[@abbyh.4080]

CandaceWhite They never covered it up. They talked to the people they were supposed to. I don't think the rest of us hearing about it was necessary.

[@hmedas82]

I agree that the stories they told in the interview did not match the police reports at all. The police reports told a completely different story. And what everyone seems to forget is that police reports are always public record they don't get sealed, they don't go away, they just block out victims and minors names and everything else is public record.

[@vickialexander1528]

I do not believe Josh went to his parents ..I believe he was caught or told on

[@lyllipalmer6265]

their parents did a perfect job at gaslighting them manipulating them and victim blaming them. for them to truly believe what they said in the beginning it shows how manipulative their parents were.

[@Lacey87B]

They're so brainwashed.

[@Beanmachine91]

too bad they didnt get a gold medal

[@savannaking9833]

Texas Love I totally agree...

[@annied2596]

U don’t have to be so rude

[@jennasample9148]

Shut up they are a tight knit family and they defend themselves and their family I'm sick of people when they think they are brain washed they are not perfect and defiantly not brainwashed so you just need to shut up

[@S_u_n_Flower_]

Yeah almost as if they where part of polagamy but not as bad

[@possumsareawesome]

Now that we know what we know about the molestation, it’s interesting to see just how careful Jill and Jessa were in this interview. They wouldn’t directly answer questions about if they were awake when he touched them. Instead they just keep saying “we weren’t aware”. If you read between the lines, they’re saying that even the times they were awake they weren’t aware that what Josh was doing was sexual. They were so sheltered that even if they knew he shouldn’t be touching them, they didn’t know there was sexual intent behind it. As if that’s supposed to make it less traumatic. So sad. I’m sure some of them feel different now, though.

[@jiddl1231]

It's so sad because I agree they were so sheltered. They're manipulated into believing it's not that bad (in my opinion)

[@plantlovea.7841]

How could they tell their brother came back different? If the were “supposedly“ never aware they got molested? I feel bad for them, trying to protect their brother.

[@samiaahmed2325]

What the hell is " mild " touch molestation is molestation

[@SP-hp7xv]

I don’t know about y’all but I think the fact that he did this while they were SLEEPING makes it so much worse. His sisters didn’t even have the option to fight back or say no. They were unconscious. That is so so harmful.

[@richierichit]

You're so right

[@hales42]

They weren't sleeping.. his sister slips at the 10:05 mark. She accidentally left the script.

[@LaraCroftEyes1]

He also did it while they're awake.

[@emilycheek3077]

YES!!!

[@highjinx6519]

@@hales42 yep I knew that was bullshit. One of them Might and I mean Might have been a hard enough sleeper to sleep through it but no way they all did.

[@Daisym2454]

Welp. This didn't age well.

[@bellehoward1434]

When she said “girls in the girls room, boys in the boys room and doors locked”. how do I know Josh wasn’t touching his brothers? Gross.

[@Supablonde1]

THANKS SO much for uploading,MUCH appreciated!!!!!

[@extra_ice_girl]

Ha, it's you again from all the Roseanne uploads.

[@Supablonde1]

iamkarenh LOL! NO WAY!!!! small world =)

[@extra_ice_girl]

I always recognize your pink pic.

[@bryanspicer17]

Anyone watching 2021?

[@camillaa1353]

Whats wrong with them theyre acting like nothing happened. This is a lie someone told them what to say. They're basically saying its okay if they got.molested as long as josh doesn't get in trouble.

[@doratheexploder286]

Camilla A Doing as daddy told them, damage control to save the show and their "good standing" with the fundagelical community.

[@camillaa1353]

Odd jørgensen loool right

[@crazyleoni1]

I really feel sorry for the girls tho, whether they have been told to say certain things or really don't remember anything is too sad, you could tell in their eyes that it was emotional and that the smiles were just cover for nerves, but the police reports say a different story and it is public so wouldn't lying make it worse cause their story keeps changing

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

Can I see a lion to the police reports?

[@apeiceofmoldedclay]

He is their brother after all. They still care about him. I actually had a rather pervy uncle that kept taking his clothes off in front of me as a child. As a child it made me angry and i would snap at him but at the end of the day... he still is my uncle and hes done a lot of great things for me. I still get excited to see him. Dont underestimate the power of family. It just isnt the same as with a random stranger.

[@MsSera21]

I still can't believe they made them do this

[@SarahdayZ]

I just want to know how the husbands of these girls felt when they found this stuff out. They probably would always get uncomfortable if Josh got near their wives.

[@JessDenisse]

I don't know why they're smiling and giggling about this........I don't even what to believe now.......now I see the Duggars differently :(

[@Beanmachine91]

they should be tried for conspiracy and witchcraft!

[@crimsonstar9445]

Run run from the Duggar Cult!

[@Selkies_not_Sirens]

So glad Jill got therapy and distanced herself

[@Stevie66ful]

Jill Dillard sounds so naive and Jessa Seewald is just rambling on. Poor young women are VICTIMS of the quiverful cult. They did not set the record straight at all. BTW the way this prick Josh also molested his 5 year old sister and the poor little girl was fully aware and went to her parents. That poor girl back then had more sense then these young women do today.

[@mistyjackson5184]

I agree with you

[@LaraCroftEyes1]

S. Pierce The sad thing is the quiverfull homes schooled blame victims who being sexually abused by their fathers or brothers and Jill and Jessa where brainwash into forgiving their brother because they must obey the man in their live

[@xloosheyx]

I was touched when I was asleep by my ex. I woke up. Two girls, BOTH couldn't feel it? Poor things have been brainwashed - this is NOT ok !!

[@pamelaQueen777]

Lucy George of course they were not sleeping

[@kimmyjong-un3894]

It was more than just 2 sisters it was other girls too. I think 4 total

[@anniewilliams6561]

“Locks on the door while we’re sleeping.” Interesting. Isn’t that a thing they will show in movies and tv shows to show that children are being abused?

[@EVa-fj5et]

Matt Lauer sure has no reason to say a word. Sicko.

[@TADSPROPERTY121307]

how can you be a victim if a crime wasn't committed?? 🤔 These poor babies are brainwashed AF! I hope they are in a better place today and realize that they are victims of not only their brother but their parents as well.

[@annmariebymorning]

When my grandfather “inappropriately touched” me when I was 9/10..my family also downplayed it. I also would never have called it molestation or considered myself a victim, until he passed away. It’s very difficult when you love someone very much and they do something horrible to you. You WANT to forgive them. You WANT to pretend it’s okay. It’s been over 40 years and I’m just now able to call it what it really is, but I still love my grandfather. I always will, I also hate him for hurting me.

[@barbarapenfold2370]

Yes, webt thru it myself...so diagistinf, especially when a mother serd it, and turns away

[@barbarapenfold2370]

Making excuses...

[@katjaxxx7353]

True but I find it even worse that your grandfather did it who is family and should protect you. Disgusting 🤮

[@WealthisoftheMind]

I hate how they're down playing it "it was very MILD" "we were sleeping, never knew". It sounds like a script they were forced to read. I wish they would say their true feeling on the matter. Have they really been so brainwashed they believe what their brother did is okay?

[@zoeskye1083]

if my brother touched me, with clothes or without clothes. I would never look him or talk to him again. That is disgusting. Jill is trying to share her story and her view of the story and knew what he did was severe and Jessa keeps downplaying it saying, we had our clothes on, he was going through pubrity.

[@emilycheek3077]

👏👏

[@georgia8592]

@@emilycheek3077 Jill now is no longer in contact with her parents 👍

[@emilycheek3077]

@@georgia8592 well that's good news

[@ninisolis3108]

This is so sad it’s unreal how much they deny the reality. I was asleep on a plane when I was touched and groped by a stranger sitting next to me and I as an adult am traumatized and have difficulty coping with being violated I can’t imagine being this numb and lacking empathy for your own self as an innocent child so so sad

[@georgia8592]

💗💗💗💗

[@jiddl1231]

Sadly I think it's because of their religion. They're taught the man is the head of the house, so I think they feel like it's their word against his. They cannot trash talk him because they'd be shunned :(. Again it's my opinion that I formed by watching a lot of Sl04ns videos on the Duggars

[@alanamayy]

“ he was a young boy in puberty & a little too curious about girls “ - wtf ....

[@Debbywithy]

Josh & JimBob should both be behind bars, imo. If they hadn’t been “tv parsonalities”, ALL their children would have been removed from the home.

[@ambermarie9508]

😭 I'm a survivor of that when I was 3....You remember not exactly everything but u feel it...No words but u connect with ones who have gone through

[@brendadominguez9770]

There's no way the slept thru that fondling. They might have blocked it out of their mind as most victims do as it's happening. Even while they're talking they appear to want to not recognize the fullness of the trauma they experienced for the sake of saving face for the family. Truly sad..

[@elsielane7197]

I'm personally disgusted at two major things I've seen in this comment section: 1) Defending Josh, Jim Bob, and Michelle. How on EARTH can these three be defended for the pathetic way in which they've handled this mess? 2) Completely ignoring the neighbor girl/babysitter. What, are we going to pretend that she was not a victim, either? Why treat this like a "family" issue and tell everyone to leave it alone when we ALL know there was at least one victim outside of the family? What about her? Ugh, people, please employ some common sense and care about the victims instead of helping Jim Bob, Michelle, and Josh with this pathetic attempt at damage control.

[@EmmaDevlin2]

You said you aren’t a victim of molestation and you’re allowed to say that because ur one of his victims...girl what

[@lucyblewer3514]

this didn’t age well

[@adriennerose1360]

Lol Matt Laurer commenting on it.

[@alanamayy]

im watching this back after josh’s arrest and being a victim of (the R word) - jessa’s entire response honestly makes my stomach turn and i’m very lost as to how she defended him for being called a pedophile when he is.... i haven’t finished watching the video but jill is a lot more open minded these days so let’s see what she says here

[@taylornarder6331]

I think she was brainwashed without much choice. Coping mechanism.

[@amberstudley]

This didn't age well.

[@jgj5369]

This did not age well at all

[@sherylbarrera9602]

i feel really sorry for them. They are trying so hard to still protect their brother. You can tell that they are trying to make it seem like nothing happened. blood is thicker than water.

[@nrodry76]

I just cannot believe they are defending their brother and justifiying him for those despicable acts he did to them!!!! Unbelievable!!

[@Selkies_not_Sirens]

They legit blamed it on puberty

[@davidcleg2104]

I'm not taking anymore moral lectures from that family, bye

[@mollybrennan5453]

Your can see in jessa's expression she's the controlling one of the two. Her face says it all. "Don't mention this" or "keep your mouth shut"