Part 2 - Marantz Cinema 30 - Inhouse Review - Configuration

[@ranakirti]

one of a kind work in the realm of Home Cinema. a video guidebook for years to come.

[@1Aquadon]

Thanks John.. Excellent Configuration video as always. Looking forward to the follow ups!

[@nickmaddalena985]

Loving the detailed review Jon. Thanks again!

[@redwolf76]

Thanks for the videos. Seeing the difference between the Marantz SR8015 and the Cinema 30. I am leaning on purchasing the SR8015 since the close out prices are almost 50 percent off. Replacing my damaged SR6015.

[@ripewave]

I have made that type of decision before. Buying on close out is a good way to get higher quality at lower prices - especially if you don't need the new features. -Jon

[@warrenmullett]

You have the best videos and have helped me really wrap my head around the Denon and Marantz offerings. I think I’m going to choose the 8015 over the cinema 30. I don’t need extra subs, or Dirac. I’m just hoping there isn’t much more Il be missing. The price on the 8015 is just too good and I still get the toroidal transformer .. 😅

[@j.ronivaldop.leandro2]

Hello! Good morning my dear friend! I am subscribed to your channel and watch your videos frequently. I would like to congratulate you on your excellent work of providing us with clear, relevant and valuable information. I am Ronoivaldo Leandro, I live in Brazil, and I am planning to buy this Cinema 30 Receiver because of its quality and comprehensive features. I would like to point out that I do not have much knowledge about equipment configurations. So, I would like you to produce a video with a basic and manual configuration of this equipment. I thank you in advance and I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you very much!

[@ripewave]

Welcome Ronoivaldo! Glad you are here and thanks for the kind words. I like your suggestion. I will think of ways to present configuration to aid those new to setting up a home theater system. What I great idea. -Jon

[@Wurlyscope]

I guess all i have to do now is go have a listen to this units and also the Denon AVR-X6800H amongst other receivers.

[@ripewave]

While provide my own listening results in this series there is no substitute for your own preferences. -Jon

[@jason_mc77]

The phase thing is interesting to me. I have seen other reviews using different speakers and different AVR's have phase issues. To my understanding some speaker manufacturers wire tweeters or some piece on a crossover out of phase on purpose for various reasons. Also, I am curious if there is a weird impedance created from a low voltage level in an electrolytic capacitor that goes away once the cap is charged allowing the speakers to test normally.

[@ripewave]

How the speaker is internally wired can be the case. I would jump on that explanation aside from the following observations: 1) If related to the speaker wiring, then all speakers of the same model will report the same error. In my case, 1 of 2 front speakers and 3 of 4 ceiling speakers suggest that there is something more causing the reported error. 2) The speakers Denon and Marantz receivers indicate as having a phase issue is inconsistent. My current guess is that the room is causing Audyssey to detect the phase error. Variations in reflections of sound is causing the phase inconsistencies. As room furnishings change, so does the speaker which Audyssey reports an error changes. Feel free to offer counter positions as I would like to learn more on how Audyssey calculates the phase errors. Jon

[@jason_mc77]

@@ripewave honestly I've never used Audyssey though, I have used Sony's new ES AVR and it did kick back a phase error on Klipsch RP series speaker and then report it as normal on the second run through after disconnecting and reconnecting power. Andrew Robinson had the same thing happen and mentioned it in his 7000ES review. Also, I can't recall who tore down a Klipsch RP speaker but they found the tweeter to be wired out of phase. After the 3000ES was returned, for various reasons, I use a Pioneer Elite VSX-LX505 and have had a variety of speakers from 20 year old MB Quart QL towers, a Klipsch RP 5.0 system, a Klipsch Heritage Theater Bar, various SVS models, and Emotive Airmotiv+ speakers (which I still use) and Dirac has yet to report a phase error. When you mentioned it, at first I was curious if the receiver measured a strange impedance reading but now I'm wondering if something like room reflection is causing Audyssey to "hear" something abnormal.

[@LarsandersLvik]

Hi, I have bought this amplifier and wondering which speaker setup is best,Is Front wide better than 6 fixed in the roof? it is then Atmos setup but you are also talking about Auro 13.1 which is completely different setup, Is it better than Atoms? greetings Lars

[@ddcrocky3831]

Hello John I was curious of your thoughts on a center height channel being used in a Dolby atmos setup i have a 5.4.1 setup right now and I have 2 side height channels with 2 front height channels do you think putting a center in between the 2 front height channels would be beneficial , am asking because I just noticed my marantz cinema 30 can do that. THANKS

[@ripewave]

The Front Center Height channel would help with panning across the front stage. It is part of the official Auro3d 11.1 and 13.1 speaker layouts. Native Auro3D content can therefore make use of that speaker. While the native Auro3D 11.1 and 13.1 content is limited, the Auro-Matic upmixer will make use of that speaker. The good news is that both the Dolby Atmos and dts:x upmixers will also make use of a front center height speaker if configured (assuming that Marantz has leveraged that Atmos/dts:x capability). What the Cinema 30 won't do is the feature present in the new Sony models which use a center speaker above and below a TV to focus the dialog in the middle of the TV. That is great for standard TVs where it is not possible place a center speaker behind the TV. -Jon

[@ddcrocky3831]

@ripewave i heard of that of the sony thank you 😊

[@m4nc1n1]

A lot of people are confused about LFE, and rightfully so. Just think of it this way: LFE applies an HPF (high-pass filter), and LFE+Mains does not apply an HPF (fronts are not crossed over and get the full bandwidth). Most of the time, LFE+MAins sounds worse (bloated), so just leave it on LFE.

[@ripewave]

Thanks for the breakdown of LFE management. I feel the configuration should be tried both ways. It may come down to the type of main speakers you have. -Jon

[@sandsmarc]

So I lose little buying the SR 8015, save a ton on retail price, and pay no sales tax if I can find a cream puff of a used unit. The decision is clear.

[@ripewave]

I am all for reaching back a generation to get something more for less. -Jon

[@AmitKumar-ow8ck]

SIR i am big confused between cinema 30 or A1H which one is better............ kindly reply

[@ripewave]

I suspect that from a sound quality perspective they will be similar. If you need more channels and don’t want external amplifiers to purchase, hook up and take space, then the Denon A1H cannot be touched. -Jon

[@chebrubin]

What is the bottom line? I am waiting for you to review the AV10. People say you can get them for a discount. My suggestion is Sony license the 360 Spatial DSP to help with Trinov like steering. Mathew Poe doesn't regard Directional Subwoofers. I disagree with him. Imagine we had 9 x B&W CT7.4 LCRS speakers bed layer and 4 x directional subwoofers at a 90 - 110 Hz crossover so that the bass is more full range. I just think we need more Yamaha / Sony type DSP for people that want to hear lots of sound from the heights and rears from more conventional soundtracks.

[@sandsmarc]

So few movies support Auro3D, and there is no identifiable trend or horizon in which that changes. Don’t think it’s much of a consideration for movie buffs.

[@ripewave]

True - source Auro3D content is very limited; especially outside of Europe. I don't see that changing for the better. However, you can use the Auro-Matic upmixer with sources that encoded with other formats. Many Auro3D advocates swear by it and use Auro-Matic for all movie playback. -Jon