PART 4: Where will the ACC Schools End UP? Notre Dame | Stanford | Cal | SMU | Realignment B1G

PART 4: Where will the ACC Schools End UP? Notre Dame | Stanford | Cal | SMU | Realignment B1G | SEC

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@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

Will Notre Dame ever join a conference?

@aBrewster29 6 ай бұрын

As long as ND can maintain a desirable schedule and recruit at the top level I think they’ll remain independent. They’ve already shown a willingness to deprioritize money, and I think they’d accept a playoff disadvantage as well, such as being ineligible for a bye.

@QuentinDude 6 ай бұрын

They-will-join-FSU-in-the-BIG10......Conferences-will-play-a-10-game-schedule-soon-so-they-will-have-to-or-play-midmajors-all-year

@NorCalTrojanman91 6 ай бұрын

@hummushero9428 6 ай бұрын

Probably, but they aren’t going to like being basically forced into it 😂

@heartbreak25 6 ай бұрын

Yes.

@hawkeye790 6 ай бұрын

Well done series. Would prefer seeing a rebuilt ACC of high academic institutions even if it means less money. BC, Stanford, Wake, Cal, and others would make many fan bases happy.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

I think that would be pretty likely too.

@999fedora 6 ай бұрын

How can the Big 12 become a 3rd super conference by adding the leftover ACC schools the Big 10 and SEC don't want because they do not bring enough value to warrant an invite? When the ACC eventually breaks up, whether it's sooner or later, the Big 12 will fall even farther behind the only 2 remaining super conferences.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

It's true. For all the B12 fans excited about potential additions, you have to keep in mind that the Big 2 are getting even further ahead in those scenarios. However, the B12 can still ensure it has enough that it can't be completely ignored either.

@roderickhogan4566 6 ай бұрын

And that's ok because every team can't be in the power 2 so we just have to make the best of it if we get a few teams in the playoffs that's all that matters

@hummushero9428 6 ай бұрын

The B12 is already in a relatively safe position. There is no likely scenario that is realistic where they come anywhere close to the SEC or B1G in terms of powerhouses, but they are stable I believe.

@artpowers812 6 ай бұрын

@@hummushero9428 I don't think they are any more stable than the ACC was while dividing up the PAC was the priority news of the day. Now for sure the P2 does not want any B12 teams and the P2/media will not allow for a coast to coast now P2 conference. Nothing is stable

@hummushero9428 6 ай бұрын

@@artpowers812 well when I say “stable” I mean relatively, you are right it’s all still pretty chaotic and anything still could happen.

@dansolenday6734 6 ай бұрын

Enjoyed the series. I am a Penn State alum in Western PA. When I grew up , I thought that Pitt, Penn State and WVU were the center of the college football world. It is still weird for me to see the 3 schools in 3 different leagues. Truly hope Pitt gets a lifeboat to the Big 12.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

We do sometimes forget that realignment has always happened and that some day kids won't know it was any different. It's sad to see these rivalries and regionality die though.

@hummushero9428 6 ай бұрын

Pitt and Louisville would be awesome in the B12. Form a little regional Quad with WVU and Cincy

@Alan-lv9rw 5 ай бұрын

Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, SMU, Tulane, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, Washington State.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 5 ай бұрын

I like this. It makes a lot of sense and is better than going to the AAC.

@captainmutherlund6629 6 ай бұрын

Great four part series. Good job. Tennessee fan

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

Thank you. Go Vols!

@KennedyArpe-wk7tq 6 ай бұрын

Honestly I don’t see Clemson in the big ten; they have no where near the academic qualifications and they have NO market.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

I agree. But was adding Oregon a sign of a shift in priorities?

@josecuervo3351 6 ай бұрын

No there is no P3. There is only two “power” conferences, the big 12 will be a major conference, while the rest are minor conferences. The gap between the B12 and the P2 is quite vast. The same can be said between the B12 and the rest of the other conferences.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, I agree.

@brodyh2895 5 ай бұрын

I definitely enjoyed watching this series, I always thought that UConn and UMass belonged in a conference with BC and Syracuse. I'd love to see a northeastern conference with those four, Army and Navy, temple, Delaware, JMU, ODU and maybe some of the virginia ACC schools. Lots of history there, especially the yankee/a10/caa history with UD/JMU/ODU/UCONN/UMASS and the regional rivalries between UMass UConn BC etc. Side note - I don’t really get the idea of cheering for your conference, I thought we were supposed to hate those guys! I want UD to play JMU not because I like JMU but because I hate them and have since birth, thats the whole deal. I'd want a weaker conference given the opportunity so we could steamroll the competition every year, thats what its about! All this talk about what school gives what conference more value doesnt do anything for anyone but the people signing the TV deals. The fact that GT and UGA don’t play in the same conference is so dumb, same with OSU/OU and UW and WSU. Football used to be about rivalries and now we're lucky to see farmageddon every 2-3 years. UD has to schedule JMU and UConn as home-and-home non conference opponents, it doesnt make any sense.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 5 ай бұрын

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Interesting idea for a northeast conference. JMU still doesn't feel like a Sunbelt team to me. I agree that it's a shame the sport is getting away from traditional rivalries, but the point of wanting a good conference is about reputation and access. When BYU was in the MWC, they didn't get as much love because it wasn't a highly regarded conference. But I love that you're willing to hate your rivals with such passion. That's what it's about.

@jeffwatson68 6 ай бұрын

BY is a dealer, what about BY pulling a trifecta by taking Stanford, Miami and then getting ND to do a similar deal with the B12 like they did with the ACC? Also BY would take 3 more ACC schools to go to 22.

@jefffirefighter12106 6 ай бұрын

Notre Dame already play's (Hockey) in The Big-10 conference, as a conference member.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

True. That's where they would make the most sense, but they've resisted for a long time. So, we'll see.

@jeffbeaver4419 6 ай бұрын

If VT,NC State,Pitt,and Louisville move to the Big 12,how much of a $ impact would that have for each B12 school for annual revenue distribution? Would they make up much,if any,financial ground on the Big 10 and SEC schools?

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

Even if the conference earns more, I bet the other two still pull further ahead.

@dacokc 6 ай бұрын

Even if they bring in $10 more each than a current Big12 school that’s still going to be divided essentially 20 ways… So in the grand scheme it doesn’t move the needle that much…

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

Fair point, but even more of the biggest brands will be consolidated in two conferences.

@jeffwatson68 6 ай бұрын

Really only FSU is a clear additive addition to B1G or SEC, others not so much. So my question is if just FSU & ND go to the B1G is that enough for ACC schools to ask to join the B12 or does it require say another two schools like Clemson and UNC to leave before other schools call the B12. I do think Louisville is the CU of the PAC and they will be the first to call for an invite.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

Great point, and I agree that in this scenario that the ACC would probably stay together. But if an out is available, you better believe the SEC will have its sites on a couple top brands. Louisville being the CU is a good and funny comparison. I hadn't thought of it, but you may be right. Less history and less of a fit. I'm sure they like being counted among the academically elite of the ACC, but maybe they'll see the vision of the Big 12. Also, they are unlikely to be picked up by the other 2.

@tomdubay2225 6 ай бұрын

UConn is definitely a stronger add for the rebuilt ACC than Memphis and SDSU. Stronger athletics overall, obviously better basketball, more football eyeballs than either of those two (even with poor W/L results so more upside as well), better academics by a landslide.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

They're still a candidate for the Big 12 too.

@terryfox9344 6 ай бұрын

Emotionally, I have lots of feedback about the commentary, which in a few cases I vehemently disagree with, but I have decided to pass. In general, the percentages seem ballpark, so no real disagreement there. I would like to agree with Wild Ute that the Big XII would become the third power conference, implying that they would in some way be on par with either the B1G or SEC, but I don't see it, even after adding my school which I see as perennially under-rated.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

I'm with you. Even if the Big 12 gets who they want, it's not enough, and they're falling further behind the other two. But they have enough that they'll be hard to ignore completely, especially in basketball.

@paulvarnell 6 ай бұрын

From all I’ve seen from the insiders I follow the B1G has “passed” on Clemson. It’s SEC or bust for Clemson.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

Interesting. They are certainly trying hard to get out of the ACC though, so you'd think they'd have some kind of an assurance.

@NorCalTrojanman91 6 ай бұрын

I don't see how Clemson benefits the SEC. They already have South Carolina in the state. I don't see the value in FSU or Miami in the SEC other than to block the Big 10. The SEC. I can imagine the SEC adding UNC and Duke to strengthen and deepen their BB and other sports offerings. Same thing with UVA and VT for the rivalries.

@paulvarnell 6 ай бұрын

@@NorCalTrojanman91 ESPN owns the rights to all ACC schools. They ultimately have control over how easy (or difficult) it is for an ACC team to leave. If ESPN plans to opt out of their ACC contract in 2027 they could prefer to keep major brands like Clemson under their umbrella in the SEC. ESPN CEO has said they are “All-in” on the SEC. In terms of already having South Carolina, the SEC took Texas while having Texas A&M. So new states/new markers aren’t the ONLY factor for the SEC. Taking Texas shows that at some point brand power supersedes already being in that state. Would that also apply to Florida State & Clemson? Clemson vs South Carolina is a bigger rivalry game than UVA-VT.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

That's what's confusing about this whole thing - it seems like there are just a many reasons for the Big 2 not to take these schools as there are for them to be added.

@hummushero9428 6 ай бұрын

@@paulvarnellgood points, but you can’t really compare South Carolina to Texas, one State is dripping with talent, has huge markets and a robust economy. Texas is the size and value of maybe 8 South Carolinas

@mark8337 6 ай бұрын

Heading to 3 Power Conferences of 24 teams each - the Big Ten, SEC, Big 12 - with a 16 team playoff. Within each conference you’ll have maybe 3 pods that are more geographical oriented. No Pod playoffs or Conference Championship games because most of them will be in the playoff. But you’re wrong on the teams. Florida State, Miami, Clemson, Notre Dame, Pitt, and perhaps Utah will be added to the Big Ten to get to 24. UNC, Virginia, go to the SEC, then maybe a Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, North Carolina State, plus a few others too. Big 12 picks up some leftovers and maybe Oregon State and Washington State. The remaining DIV 1 non-power 72 teams, which comes out to about 63 schools, will have their own conferences and their own playoffs.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

It doesn't feel like the P2 would have any incentive to include the Big 12 as a third major player. In fact, they're doing everything they can to make sure that doesn't happen.

@mark8337 6 ай бұрын

@@saturdayswarriorbyu That’s your opinion. Ok. I think it would be a mistake. The more they push things, the smaller the number of teams in power conferences playing only with each other, the more likely it is to alienate and lose viewers in regions of the country and in general. Most fans are priced out of game day experiences already, it wouldn’t take a lot more for people to find something else to care about and do/watch with their Saturdays.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

I'm with you on that, but I don't that certainly hasn't mattered to the Big 10 or SEC so far.

@mark8337 6 ай бұрын

@@saturdayswarriorbyu You may end up being right. I’d agree that the SEC and Big Ten commissioners, although being relatively measured with their words to the general public, seem to be focused and bold in their actions and negotiations in getting what they want for their conferences in reshaping the landscape only in ways that benefit them financially first before any other considerations. I’m hoping they’ll see beyond that in including a third conference, for the sake of the wider country. If you think about it, if they negotiate the playoff size and payoffs in a way that that benefits them the most, having a third conference considered as a weak stepsister to them doesn’t really effect them negatively at all. They’ll still play up to 10 conference games in the regular season, maybe play 2 non conference games at home against Big 12 schools. Financially, they can’t really lose.

@davidtemple2831 6 ай бұрын

What IF ND decided to avoid the B10 and SEC? I see it happening.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

I would love it if they hold out, but at some point they'll stop getting so many accommodations.

@tylernelson3343 6 ай бұрын

@@saturdayswarriorbyu there several ways I can see Norte Dame joining a conference. One is schools don’t schedule Norte Dame for football. Second one is the networks put pressure on them to join a conference.

@JohnDry 6 ай бұрын

The B12 will get Louisville, and Pittsburgh obviously, and NC St, and VT. If not Duke, and anither school as well.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

I'm actually starting to think that NCST and VT will go to the SEC.

@JohnDry 6 ай бұрын

@@saturdayswarriorbyu I ain't going to disageee. It could happen! Like Texas Te h going to the SEC. Lol

@dacokc 6 ай бұрын

@@saturdayswarriorbyuI think Notre Dame stays independent for good.. BigTen adds UNC and UVA to get to an even 20 teams (they can always expand to 24 later). I think SEC adds FSU, Clemson (great rivalries) and then* NC State and VTech as the next best for expansion into new territory.. Once news breaks on FSU leaving I think BigTen actually moves first and snags UNC and UVA… SEC moves next.. followed by Big12… Big12 could pick up Pitt, Louisville, Miami, Georgia Tech… not my dream scenario but not bad either..

@artpowers812 6 ай бұрын

@@saturdayswarriorbyu There is value in those 2 winning the DMV/VA/NC market area.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

That is almost exactly how I see one of the likely scenarios playing out.

@chriss8718 6 ай бұрын

There's a less than 1% chance Stanford is in the B1G someday lol. Come on. Cal and SMU have no options other than PAC/MWC/, or AAC. SMU will never be in the B12 in its current membership setup

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

Agreed that the Big 12 would only consider taking SMU after getting poached. But that is still a possibility.

@tylernelson3343 6 ай бұрын

@@saturdayswarriorbyu I don’t see Stanford and California joining the Big Ten. Remember that networks are pushing the realignment and expansion. I don’t see Fox pushing for Stanford and California to join the conference.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

It just depends on how big it's willing to get. But I agree, they had their chance and chose differently. I think they're focused back east now.

@Live_Free_or_Die_a_KSU_Wildcat 6 ай бұрын

Agree completely on ND. Think Stanford goes to the B1G on a reduced share or a rebuilt PAC - not to the ACC. Cal will follow Stanford IF they can - even a possibility they get relegated to a G5 conference - they can't buy their way in like SMU. Speaking of, SMU stays in ACC or goes to a rebuilt PAC. SMU will NEVER be in the Big XII. That ship sailed a long time ago - they are like the rich cousin from the Jersey shore - big mouths, lots of money, and a crap brand. I think on the wrap-up that if the Big XII went to 20 v. 18 they'd pick up Duke and Georgia Tech and I might put my money on Georgia Tech over Pitt in the 18 school version. Schools that would come on a reduced share would be Duke, Pitt, and Georgia Tech. They really want NC State, Virginia Tech, and Louisville. If they only take those 3 from the ACC, watch Yormark and UCONN on a reduced share. Nuanced shares based on performance will become a thing at some point. Bringing in schools with a base amount and incentives based on performance will be a thing.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

Really good thoughts. Pitt isn't a perfect fit with the Big 12, but they provide a lot of value. Comments from Pitt fans remind me a lot of Utah fans, so I think they'd resist. GT also doesn't seem line a natural fit, but they have a lot of pros.

@davidtemple2831 6 ай бұрын

Notre Dame does not like the direction of the college ball movement.

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

Something ND and I have in common.

@davidtemple2831 6 ай бұрын

@saturdayswarriorbyu Me as well. Years ago, I drove a truck for a few years. On a Friday night, I would see the lights, and if I had time I would stop for a HS FB game. Just for the love of the game. One of the very best games I ever saw was a HS game in southern Illinois. Two teams I had never seen before or since. The game is bigger than the individual. I happen to be an Arizona Wildcats fan. I love what Fifitia and McMillan just did. They said no to the money and yes to their hearts. There lots of stories like that, but they are not celebrated enough. It seems to be all about the money. What made Nick Saban who he was, and why he walked away this year. Lou Holtz was also of that mold. There are more, but again, we do not hear enough about them. The game has been tainted by greed and self.

@artpowers812 6 ай бұрын

IMHO it was ESPN that "forced" Stanford and Cal on the ACC. Somebody is not through with those 2 like they are with Ore st and Ws. St. And it sure isn't a reformed ACC. I still think the future has 3 "next level under" regional conferences with Stanford and Cal, along with Az, Az St, Colorado, Utah and BYU joining them in a rebuilt PAC.

@davidbass255 6 ай бұрын

I sure hope not. I like AZ, AZ st, Wassu, etc...but Stanford and Cal don't mix in terms of culture (in regards to anything BIG12), and don't bring anything to the table in terms of football and basketball.

@lorenzohaynes3886 6 ай бұрын

A rebuilt Pac isn't getting more than G5 status. I understand the desire for a rebuilt Pac, but nobody is leaving the Big 12 to do that. A depleted ACC on the other hand, maybe. But I'm not seeing the value for that. #1 The Pac with 10 teams including Oregon and Washington, could only muster 25 mill per school. Really, like 23. A rebuilt Pac isn't getting close to that. Neither I'd a depleted ACC. Which is why the Pac should probably rebuild. But focus on west and central available schools. But a fan told me Stanford is against being in a conference with the most obvious Western brands. So, idk....

@saturdayswarriorbyu 6 ай бұрын

I don't see anyone leaving the B12. The ACC will be left with a lot of private and academically elite schools. So, I could seem them sticking together. There's not tons of money there, but the other options won't provide much either.

@artpowers812 6 ай бұрын

@@lorenzohaynes3886 Geesh, you guys are drunk on the B12 being way more than I believe it will be. A new PAC covering the entire west coast will not compete with the big boys but G5? If they are so will the ACC and Big 12 be G5. That is why I hold to the idea of a 3 conference division made up of the PAC, B12 and ACC to occupy a space between the P2 and G5.

@lorenzohaynes3886 6 ай бұрын

@@artpowers812 Oregon State and Washington State isn't going to grab a bunch of G5 schools and be a power conference. And they wouldn't be comparable to the Big 12 all of a sudden. But just for sport. Name the schools that would form this conference you're talking about.