Patrol Basics: Rifle Optics - Red Dot vs LPVO vs Prism Sights

[@shawnbrockman9729]

Fixed irons all day long. Good luck listening to these buffoons.

[@Token_Black_Guy]

You sound poor

[@turdferguson2863]

You sound

[@ethanviolet1]

You

[@BM-gq3fb]

yo

[@Ibis-]

y

[@_Art.Vandelay]

Kevin was my favorite character in Sicario

[@John-ro3vu]

He’s the cutest barista ❤

[@deeman2956]

😂😂😂

[@joncarroll-sr1ww]

I mounted the Hubble telescope on my 9mm pcc. Works great

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

No you didn’t

[@rileyspiritus]

Don’t need a BDC in space

[@masterqui-gonjinn90]

@@Heywoodthepeckerwoodthank you captain obvious

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

@@masterqui-gonjinn90 you’re welcome, just doin my part to keep people honest on the internet…👮🏻‍♂️

[@kidmick809]

be careful you might shoot someone in alpha centauri and then you'll be a wanted fugitive in that sector

[@sectorseven07]

Kevin did great in the movies Tombstone and Sicario. 10/10 would sling gun again

[@Clockwork0nions]

If you're interested in Prism optics Primary Arms has some, and are about to release a new line that's a but more slim than their Gen2's.

[@PA-Pyke]

yep, overall similar profile but without the illumination knob.

[@elsenorloco84]

Baller on budget top picks red dot : holosun 515gm or 515t Prism optic : primary arms 1x slx micro prism, 3x micro prism , 5x micro( u can get a heromod red dot mount to securely run a ret dot above ) LVPO: …. Idk primary arms Magnifiers : primary arms 3x micro or full size Alternate : romeo juliet

[@ColdGrapeDrink]

To know if your eyes are messed up or its the red dot - take a picture or look through the dot with your phone camera. Should come out crisp everytime on the phone unless the optic is messed up

[@dar5647]

You can also just rotate it. If the smear rotates with the optic, it might be a bad dot. If it stays in line with your eye, your eye is the problem.

[@mtnbound2764]

may cameras have a hard time giving a realistic view through an optic.

[@dar5647]

@@mtnbound2764 possible. Probably depends on the camera and type of issue.

[@SAR0311]

It's safe just to assume it's your eyes. Or ask other people what they see when they look at your dot. I've never even heard of a DOT actually having a comet tail or starburst when viewed by someone without an astigmatism.

[@dar5647]

@@ColdGrapeDrink another thing, safety glasses can worsen the effect. I was having a hard time at one range with the lighting and my slight astigmatism, but when i looked thought without the glasses it was dramatically better. Either no glasses (not recommended) or better glasses can help.

[@GutGrinder00]

I would love to hear Kevin talking about his experience with prescription glasses with fire arms, that would be neat video

[@garyswift9347]

I'm 54 years old, and my vision went from to perfect to not perfect in less than 10 years, but especially when it comes to red lights. I've found that a green dot is much better for me with my prescription glasses requirement. Also mount height matters with glasses since a higher mount height makes it less likely that my upper frame, or edge of the lens will obscure my view. Favored setup for an AR10 is a real scope with a top mounted green dot.

[@chizorama]

In the same club at 53, have problems shooting irons at 50yds these days, depressing. Good point that if you're gonna run a top or offst red then you might as well regular & skip the lvpo.

[@AVPfan360pro]

Thank your for the information and the presentation of said information. Spiritus Systems is truly one of the best on the platform.

[@BotNard]

They said a bunch of stuff that’s just plain wrong and made themselves look dumb by saying it. Hope nobody uses this video as their baseline

[@nopenope9945]

I REAAALY get a kick out of shooting irons and the eye relief on the acog is what it is because how we learned to shoot irons. The other thing not mentioned is field of view which is why he runs the LPVO on 3 or 4x and a top mount, golly that sounds like an acog to me. I just enjoy the zen of shooting prone with irons. I need to take my time, breathe, work the trigger. Everything must be perfect to make a 400 yard shot on a 16" barrel. I love the feeling of getting everything right at once.

[@armstrong2052]

I probably have 4-5 dd irons and a couple troy fixed sets. Love irons. I don't know why 😅

[@chizorama]

Simo Hayha stacked a lot if bodies with irons, head low in the snow...

[@chizorama]

​@@armstrong2052Because it's an art & takes skill, everything else is cheating. Had a buddy who didn't miss with his Leupold on his Mauser, couldn't hit at 50yds with irons with my Mauser, even my ex-girlfriend didn't miss at 50yds with my Mauser.

[@BotNard]

All of their comments shook any belief I had in their competence as subject matter experts tbqh. I’ll still probably buy some more of their spud pouches but they obviously don’t know what they are talking about in some categories

[@armstrong2052]

@@BotNard there's gaps in all people's knowledge. It's

[@Mbbarto]

TA02. Great vibe from these guys. Spiritus is stepping it up

[@christianmccall4542]

I really think the prism optic is the common man's optic. Cheaper than an LPVO, more durable, but a little more magnification than the red dot.

[@jacobmoore6214]

Yeah and the eye relief is pretty much solved with modern cantilever mounts like those from adm

[@christianmccall4542]

@@jacobmoore6214 I love the cantilever mount. Honestly I think it looks cool with a sci fi aesthetic too.

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

The ACOG, not prisms. I've broke many PA prisms.

[@christianmccall4542]

@@boygonewhoopdataZZ how? My pa prism has been great.

[@BrianSciranka-hn5xb]

No doubt the PA prisms are a great option for some people. They’re not nearly as tough as ACOG’s tho.

[@RealDevinPerry]

ACOG TA11 with RCR on top is what I have now and I love it. Less weight, more durable, and better eye relief than an LPVO with no need to turn a ring. Has a better sight picture than a dot or EOTech with magnifier and needs no batteries (aside from the RCR's 6 year battery life). And it leaves enough real estate for iron sights. Only downsides are 3.5x max power, 4.5" RCR height over bore, and.... price.

[@six5actual]

TA11 is prob best ACOG. Weighs less than a eotech and mag combo or a decent lpvo, and all cost about the same when you find a good sale.

[@charlesscioli5268]

Thank you for the very informative video. Taking your time with each device and a clear explanation. Great video!

[@hkpro99]

I ran all those setups ( except the lpvo/ rds combo) on my rifles during different combat deployments , and concurr with your take aways . I'm currently running a legacy S&B 1-4 on my 5.56 16" System and an 1-8 on my 7.62 in civillian life, very happy with both for what I think I'll need them for. Keeping a Zeroed aimpoint T1 for the 5.56 and a M4s for the 7.62 in Reserve.

[@Rubeless]

Where’d you go? Texas? South Dakota?

[@Turtletrosity]

I’m gonna bring up something that I feel is over looked with eotechs. I fell in love with the eotech after my horrible use with ccos in the army. Purely because I am color blind red/green so the encircled dot on the eotech ensures I never lose the dot on a green background.

[@KD-lb9bg]

@@Turtletrosity Weird, when I joined the service they specifically tested for red/green color blindness and if you failed you were a No-Go.

[@Turtletrosity]

@@KD-lb9bg you can be one of exactly 3 mos’s if color blind. However you do a dot test then a vivid red green test and if you fail the vivid red green it is a no go

[@KD-lb9bg]

@@Turtletrosity 👍🏻

[@chrispatton4219]

I have some professional experience in studying EMP effects, smaller electro optical units being affected is a bit of a misnomer but it’s also not entirely understood. Typically EMP is going to affect things that have decent lengths of wiring such as alternators and Ethernet/coax cables in structures. Smaller units will, generally speaking, be perfectly fine.

[@ramuelii8845]

I’ve heard this before, seems the thought that every electronic is fucked is incorrect. Would love some literature on it if you got it.

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

Having gone through dozens of different configurations. I settled on an Eotech exps3-4 with a G45 on a ftc. Battery life isn’t an issue for me as I use rechargeable batteries that get about 700 hours which last me months of daily use and being rechargeable, will last longer than the 2023 batteries in storage as long as I cycle them through properly. Also, I think that stateside, if you do not account for passive night vision aiming, you are setting yourself up for a crappy night. I’ve see/heard too many former mil dudes completely discount passive aiming simply because they never faced a near peer adversary in the shit.

[@thaihiggins8637]

3x micro prism primary arms is a perfect optic for all your needs. If you need more range get the 5x micro prism.

[@BananarchOfTedKacistan]

But eye relief can be a concern for some of us, which is why LPVOs are also a very valid choice.

[@thaihiggins8637]

@@BananarchOfTedKacistan that's what I'm explaining though my right eye is really bad that optic is perfect. On pistol draw my left eye is dominate now. On rifle I have no choice to use my right eye and the eye relief is perfect so is clarity.

[@AbsurdUpside]

Great content! I learned something about the relationship between eye relief and length of pull for LPVOs.

[@TackshooterOG]

I have really been enjoying the prism's, I have several GPR's that have LPVO's but in some situations the prism really feels right.

[@FreemanConcepts]

On the topic of iron sights, Ive ran an acog on my go to rifle for a while now (looking at replacing it finally) and for most of the time ive owned ive simply used a rear sight with a large aperature and placed it in front of the acog much like an ak (learned how to shoot rifles on an ak go figure)

[@williamwolfsblood2949]

it's a good day when I get to watch a spiritus systems video!

[@rogues1hit]

ACOG gang rise up

[@markanthonypar-wise1499]

🙋🫡 love it have it with the rmr on top

[@dashero11]

Yea these guys are bias . Acog is by far the best combat optic

[@bass779]

I can love the ACOG and still concede that they are right

[@Sierradyne]

ACOG FTW

[@shawnbrockman9729]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@kdb1891]

My favorite setup is definitely an eotech + magnifier or just a T2 on its own. But I do have LPVOs on some rifles and I absolutely love my ACOGs

[@TheLoneRanger745]

I like a dot with no eye relief on top good for under 50 yrs fast acquisition in close , on top of a 1x8 acss Arkin the acss has yard points w/ horizontal and vert reference windage, run out .This combination gives very good capability throughout the field close to far . However having different rifles set up for different purposes is also very nice, 11.5" 55-62 grn does great out to 200 with just a dot and 3x magnifier. Another one set up for long range only 75 grn with 4 x 16 Christmas tree moa for learning holds . Great video Guy's ❤ I'm always learning new things.

[@RaulPerez1]

My 11.5" build you can go out to 200 without a magnifier no problem. Same with the 12 o clock mini red dot on my 5x Prism on my 16" build. I find I need magnification 300 plus. Got my 11.5" out to consistent 300 hits with a 4x magnifier. Looking to take my 5x Prism out to 500 & 600 yards to see how well it fairs.

[@dustinfrasier3039]

For the dot plus LPVO combo conundrum, you can always just run an offset dot like an ACRO or T2 and then run a micro dot on piggyback. People will call it crazy but for under 5 ounces you can increase the capability of your offset and LPVO tenfold.

[@mtnbound2764]

tenfold huh?

[@dustinfrasier3039]

Absolutely brother. I am not a fan of passive aiming with my offset. Face is not shaped for that shit. But I also don’t like using a piggyback dot for RET because I loose my cheek weld. For a couple of ounces and strange looks from Fuds I get everything I need. Results may vary but it work for me!

[@Thatdalton]

I think there's an argument to be made for just graduating to an MPVO in that situation. There doesn't end up being a redundant 1X and you get the benefit of much greater eye relief at larger magnifications.

[@dustinfrasier3039]

@@Thatdaltonagreed. The weight is the only reason I could see to stick with an LPVO. I am hoping that companies start making some more 2-10 and 2-12 optics with mil based tree reticles. We are slowly seeing them come out but for the most part they are geared towards hunters.

[@m4e1supremacy]

I bought the PST 1-6 because of the "red dot bright" performance of it and the Razor Gen II 1-6. I have since ended up not even using the illumination unless it dusk/dawn lol. I also never really see myself going all the way to 6x unless I'm prone or shooting off a barricade, and even then, its just because I have the time to do it. I think I could've been happy with a 1-4 lpvo, but I do love this PST 1-6.

[@dylanwatson8468]

Ya I love my pst as well. I also never use the dot in it unless it’s dusk. I enjoy the 6x a lot and have done double taps at 500 yards well. Any further than 500 yards I would like a more refined reticle and more magnification so I’d be looking at the plxc but for a standard rifle the pst does everything amazing considering the cost.

[@chizorama]

I have the PST 1-4 Gen1, love it, only beef is with the exposed turrets, but 4x is all I need with an AR, & it's lighter than most lvpo's at 16oz without a mount.

[@xi-deadshot-ix5838]

I was surprised you guys only mentioned the trijicon acog and not more modern prisms like primary arms and why someone might want a prism optic even for 1x. If you have astigmatism a prism is the way to go. Even with an illuminated reticle it’s way better than a red dot. You get a clear sharp reticle and if the battery runs out you still have that etched reticle that’ll be picked up even at night if you illuminate your target with a white light. Also, the primary arms have much better eye relief and a diopter that are simple to use even if you’re on a crayon diet. Acogs are cool but they’re years behind current competitors especially for the price. You could get a 1x, 3x, and a 5x from PA for less than the price of 1 acog. You could even get a 5x and an rmr for less… There’s really no reason to get an acog today unless you just gotta scratch that nostalgic itch imo.

[@OrdinaryAmerican]

I am now considering this 3-5x & dot combo. I see benefits to each setup depending on use case, but this prism/dot combo seems to fit quite a few with better durability than the LPVO.

[@Whiskey.Tango.Actual]

PA is a budget optics company and is not used by any serious organization. This is why your thought process falls short. PA has nice stuff, sure. But it's not at all the same as Trijicon.

[@xi-deadshot-ix5838]

@@Whiskey.Tango.Actual do you know if they’re submitting products for contracts? Because if not how would they even be considered? The military/oga’s have adopted a plethora of bad products throughout history and have passed on clearly better options for a multitude of reasons so if that’s your standard of quality I’d say that’s where your thought process falls short. They don’t simply choose the best product. I’m not even saying the acog is trash. I just don’t see the point of buying one in the civilian market at its price point compared to all of the other options. I’ll play devils advocate. Let’s say it is actually better. Is it 4x better in every aspect? The mount sucks. You gotta buy an aftermarket one or be a sadist. A lot of people use tape or buy an aftermarket cover to adjust the brightness. I mean come on lmao. You’re telling me trijicon can’t upgrade it to compete with the market without losing its durability? Or they won’t bother because they made their money and Uncle Sam said “good nuff”?

[@John-ro3vu]

@@xi-deadshot-ix5838 I thought primary arms prisms were just as good as ACOGs until I was just shooting with my PA 3X prism on the range and the prism shattered inside the tube. Never had that happen with an ACOG lol 😂

[@Nylonscheme]

Bc they are not American and not duty/field ready

[@redhawk258]

Yo who ever is working your media team is doing a killer job. That match cut on the rail guard was beautiful.

[@BrianSciranka-hn5xb]

My main squeeze has a Romeo 4XT Pro on an Arisaka MK 2.26” and Scalarworks fixed iron sights. “SPR” build has KAC folding iron sights and a Badger Ordnance C1 1.70” w/ top mounted Romeo 4T Pro (also have 45° J-Arm). Plan to put a Nightforce 4-16 on it.

[@jacksquat2067]

I went with a 1-6x VCOG with horseshoe dot and BDC. The horseshoe is pretty small at 1x, but the border of the reticle really draws your eye to the center. With the illumination on, it becomes a large red dot that is easy to pick up, and the eye box is very forgiving. Also nice is that it runs on a AA battery, which you can find pretty much anywhere. I stuck it on a LaRue QD mount and still run BUIS.

[@Wreckr68]

Great video! Would love to see the same concept going over NVG options. Clip on, digital, wp tubes, ect....

[@MikeUtah]

Outstanding overview

[@erice4611]

Aimpoint Comp M4 & Trijicon MRO Patrol are my 2 favorites!

[@darkstarninja5978]

For vehicle: carry handle fixed iron sights. for home defense: 1x prism. for end of world/apocalypse: lpvo with off set red dot. the primary arms nova lpvo has great illumination and their prism scopes are fantastic.

[@theirishman6728]

I see benefits to all the different styles of optics and use them all in one form or another. That said, my all around preference is ACOG/prism with top dot. More specifically the TA02 that mounts the dot forward on the ACOG. I prefer the simplicity and ruggedness of the ACOG. My duty rifle for security is setup with an Aimpoint T2 and QD 3x magnifier, as typically, engagement is expected well within 200 meters.

[@gunsofmasseffect4321]

I myself, use a 1-8 power Vortex Strike Eagle 3rd Gen, and it has a fast throw lever.

[@bobschwaller5293]

Ncstar 3x9 compact with red dot mounted on top. Illuminated reticle. Blue green red. QD mount. Gen 2 $100 bucks. Gen 3 $200 bucks. Outstanding optics for the price.

[@Jake-oz8ln]

This is way better than T Rex Arms' video. Way more detailed and the info is more sound than just one guy talking. Keep it up Spiritus Systems!

[@journeyman7189]

Another great video gentlemen. Those LPVOs seem to be the sweet spot especially with that "backup" red dot. Thanks for all the info. Nate

[@MarkyMan316]

Really solid video covering all the bases without a lot of biases. My general rules: 14+" = LPVO 12-13" = ACOG 11" and under = red dot (& magnifier optional)

[@roundrock63]

Actual real world experience being given as advice on best setup. This is a great video!! Red dot with 3-5x flip up or away magnifier is the best initial setup. I also have a rifle with a 3-12x scope sighted out to 200yards with a 12 o’clock red dot sighted at 50 yards.

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

Why on earth would you do a 200 yard zero? You like doing hold unders AND hold overs?

[@roundrock63]

@@Heywoodthepeckerwood Because that’s the longest range I have in my area. I’m trying to plan a trip to a range that has longer distances.

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

@@roundrock63 so are you doped out to 200 yards? Or zeroed out to 200?

[@roundrock63]

@@Heywoodthepeckerwood Zeroed

[@xi-deadshot-ix5838]

@@Heywoodthepeckerwood you do realize that a 200yd zero is also roughly a 50yd zero right? Everyone from the army to the marines has used/uses it and if you do use a 50yd zero you’re supposed to dial it in and confirm it at 200. It’s been a pretty common zero for years.

[@randallskinner5949]

Awesome video. Hit the minutia without fully needing out. Appreciate yall!

[@rayfinlayusmc]

I think it's important to identify your highest priority first and find the best choice for that, short range/ longer range/ night vision, etc. There's always gonna be trade offs.

[@ghost8six]

aimpoint T2, scalarworks 1.93. Backup mbus pro. Both sighted separately. After years of shooting, I barely see a point for backup irons, but they're there in case everything goes wrong and I just need something.

[@Token_Black_Guy]

Why t2 tho

[@sdwndr66]

I use my iron sights as back up. And run a sig romeo5 it's on point at 300 yards, and I can hit out to 500, 600 yards with it.

[@ninjagold9244]

3x or 5x micro prism on a fixed carry handle. Magnification for longer distances, and sturdy iron sights for backup or closer range. Lightweight. No night vision capability, but I don't own night vision either 😂

[@mixmix1487]

All you need bro. That’s my truck rifle, same set up.

[@Rubeless]

Nvgs are for hobbyists.

[@frogchaser]

I'm really digging my 1-6 razor hd with a top mounted t2

[@bkhix208]

DD V7 16, ACOG on Unity set back on rail, top dot. Both Powered by ☀️. MK18 T2 on Unity with Aimpoint mag on Unity. Dbal D2. Both with Surefire Turbos & YHM tk & T2 direct thread. 🤙🏽

[@Venom2U]

For my "GP" rifle I settled on a red dot with a drop reticle + a 6x magnifier. Total system weight

[@johnw4999]

My 16-in has S&B 1-8 Dual CC and Troy BUIS. My 14.5 has an EoTech with a 5x magnifier along with Troy BUIS, and my 11.5s have EoTechs and Troy BUIS. For my M16A4 FN military series, I have an ACOG, and keep the BUIS & Allen key in the stock. I absolutely love the Troy BUIS with the HK style front sight. Bet I have 30 sets of them, lol.

[@gabrielcox3599]

I use an RMR red dot on my EDC pistol but I love my holographic EOTech on my home defense shotgun.

[@strykeback1]

4 or 5x prism offset dot from PA or swamp fox for the win

[@joshberends1146]

A bit disappointed that fov wasnt mentioned about any of the options. The reason why the 4× acog has a shorter eye relief than an lpvo is that it has a considerably larger fov than the average lpvo.

[@AaaaandYerDhem]

Very good video, fellas. I was drooling at all the loadouts in the background the whole time 🤤

[@Slydc5]

At the end of the day doesn’t matter what you run if you don’t train. Train with what you got and become proficient.

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

Not true at all. You are far better off just buying new gear all the time based on the recommendation of others.

[@Slydc5]

@@Heywoodthepeckerwood 😂

[@christopherkey3488]

I don’t know man, I’m way cooler now and I wouldn’t want to face me with a poverty pony 😎😮‍💨 you’ll lose to the drip before I ever have to take a shot

[@cameron3525]

I use paper straws.

[@christopherkey3488]

@@cameron3525 you heard the man, get proficient brother

[@tylerramsey1388]

Currently running a romeo5 mounted to carry handle with fixed irons 16" mid lenght gas

[@brentacusmaximus6677]

This is why the 2-3 different AR setups makes sense. Different tools for different jobs !

[@christophersmith2152]

Currently running a Troy flip up rear sight with fixed A2 front sight and Sig Romeo 5 lower 1/3 .

[@alextaylor29]

Interesting video. Liked and subscribed One point to add if you have an astigmatism (which you mention in the video) get a green dot or green circle with a green dot in it and it will be super clear. I don't know exactly why but it does work and it's one of the reason night vision devices show as green to the user. Put simply (as I understand it) our eyes can see more on the green light spectrum (rods and cones) vs. any other color so green is your friend if you have eye issues. Now that said if you're shooting into green fields or green backgrounds continually disregard everything I said above. 😃

[@Pinewatch]

For “general use” a 1-8 or 1-10 lpvo with backpack red dot seems like the best move for me. Lot more utility with that build. Everything a wigga need

[@tacman2893]

Running a Razor Gen 2 1 x 6 power on my duty rifle with iron (metal) back up sights. My irons are zeroed but never use them for general shooting. Just emergency backup if the scope ever gets knocked of the gun.

[@remo_williams]

Ta31rco with red dot on top is tough and good past 5.56 range. No fancy buttons and knobs it just works.

[@rhinotutu6621]

A red dot with a magnifier is more than good enough to get the job done. I have a Holosun 503C with a Holosun magnifier and I can get out to 300yds easily with that setup. Night vision and gas mask can cause problems but like anything else, training with your system is key.

[@chaoticcaninejb]

Illumination on 1x if the Illuminated reticle is a simple dot in center is ideal!! Cross hairs or other things lit up, makes no difference to me, but if its a single dot, on 1x your shooting is enhanced similar to that of RDS

[@scottclaiborne5123]

I like them all. Have them all. If I had to choose just one? Acog with top dot.

[@BigFootTactical11]

I love those rifle setups

[@randallskinner5949]

Top dot is also great to get on target with higher magnification.

[@manclectic5203]

One of my favorite set ups that I think is better than the LPVO with top red dot is a MPVO with a top dot. I ran a Vortex Razor 1-10 with top dot and did the same keeping the LPVO on 3 or 4 making the lower range of the LPVO unused. I switched to a MPVO specifically the Leupold Mk5 HD with a top dot and the weight difference was only a couple ounces. This gave me a lot higher magnification for target ID and parallax adjustment.

[@waynehollett7151]

Vortex razor 1x6 lpvo with off set holosun mrds . 14.5 inch barrel.

[@railzip]

Great video! Very thorough. Subscribed!

[@anthonywells3088]

I'm mostly running the T-2 on the rifles I use the most. I live in an urban area, so it has the best advantages for my needs; if I should have to use it.

[@plaiddad276]

I have been running variable and fixed power prism optics and am sold on them. But I have been toying with the idea of adding one of those top dots. I also like red dots but don't get how they will work out on top of scope even if properly mounted. Here's what I'm unsure of: HOW can you get a decent cheek weld on your stock and still get your head up high enough to see that red dot on top? If the answer is that you don't use a cheek weld when using the top dot, then how in the heck do you get any consistency in your aiming? After decades of using scopes I consider a consistent cheek weld to be fundamental to performance.

[@luguefamily1498]

The one pro to the ACOG/RDS vs ELCAN set on 4X/RDS is if your RDS went down, you can instantly switch to 1X on the ELCAN. With the ACOG your stuck with the BINDON aiming concept at bad breath distances and most know how great that works out especially when a partial precision shot is needed. As far as weight the ACOG @ 15oz and the ELCAN @ 23oz

[@grizzly_mint8204]

I feel like price should also be a consideration an acog with a red dot it half the price of a lot of lpvos without a mount and without a red dot

[@gnomeresearch1666]

Given my budget (yes, I'm a poor with a bunch of kids/future kommandos), I've found the combo of best sfp lpvo I can afford plus offset fixed irons is quite satisfying.

[@bernardbarr2354]

True. They don't fog up but they can gunk up.

[@meangreen320]

1x prism , lpvo, anything with a etched reticle, and ofcourse irons

[@travelingspartan2035]

I intend to build a CQB/NV upper eventually with a dot, but the TA31 in my 14.5 will be my baby nonetheless.

[@Stanny936]

Currently rocking an A2 dissipator as my HD rifle. I live on 6 acres in the woods and with this East Texas heat/humidity, my optics fog up when I go outside, even with CatCrap applied. I know that optics are better, but until it cools down and doesn’t fog everything up, it’s irons for HD.

[@blacksheepgunworks]

For my use case, higher magnification use is very unlikely, and i really dislike the 1x in most LPVOs. I tried the offset dot thing and its cool, but not my thing for 556 guns. Currently using a Mepro m21 with triangle reticle with fixed DD sights, super happy with the setup. But, have been fanboying over the idea of an ACOG/Acro or RMR combo. One day.

[@shaneciccarelli-palmer2962]

12:27 A quality made LPVO today 1X is on par or 85% with a 1X optic system like a red dot or HWO. Try the vudu, voodoo, razor Gen 2.

[@AntiATF]

2 things missed about LPVOs: 1. Different power erectors make a massive difference in forgiveness in terms of eye placement. The higher power the erector, the less forgiving the optic will be. The erector is what takes the lower magnification up to the higher magnification. A 1-4x LPVO and 5-20x scope both use a 4x erector (y'know, math n shi). A 1-4x LPVO or a 5-20x scope is going to be MUCH more forgiving in terms of eye relief and especially eye box than a 1-10x or a 5-50x. You mostly see these high power erectors on LPVOs and some MPVOs because companies are trying to push the envelope in terms of how much power they can pack in these compact optics, but that is the trade off that many companies (and even reviewers) aren't telling people. It is wise to stick with what you NEED and not what you WANT. what you want most likely is an optic that has trade offs that you weren't made aware of. 2. FFP is best for distance priority, SFP is best for 1x priority. This was mentioned, but what is also important is that your BDC/MIL/MOA markings on the reticle are only accurate at full power for an SFP optic, but are accurate at any magnification on a FFP optic. Shooting a lot will make your SFP accuracy better, but you can take an FFP optic, zero it, and put your 200yd BDC on target at any magnification and make hits. I personally like FFP optics, but your choices for a good 1x FFP reticle are very small and usually pretty pricey. Another thing to choose what you need vs want

[@ikemouser2580]

exps 3-2, and vortex 6x. run the mavbifier back as far as possible. best. pop off magnifier at night, can use it with head mounted nvgs

[@HoocH1130]

Eotech EXPS-3 with G45 magnifier. back up scalar works iron sights. I like the scalability, I can pull the magnifier off or on depending on my needs. I can stuff into a cargo pocket or chest rig. I can use the g45 as PID in my hand. Personally, I find the G33 pretty much useless. the magnification gain of 3X doesn't offer a whole lot. 5X on the other does what a magnifier should do. If I need a magnifier I need to see a particular object so I'm not worried about my field of view. Battery life of the Eotech is a mute issue, I turn it on and off as needed with discipline. Most would say that "one should have a red dot that is capable of staying on all the time just in case". My rebuttal would be if you're running into situations where you don't have .5 seconds to hit a button, you're seriously fucking up or the red dot should have already been on. I'm still on the same battery after several months of use. Of course I'm not running missions overnight every night and if I was,I wouldn't paying for my own batteries.

[@azcompetitiveshooter]

awsome vid. love the tony anderson music in the backgrount from his nuit album. legit

[@user_unk5]

Excellent comparison video. You guys rock!

[@rubbermyducky5998]

I have to point out when speaking in terms of a battery being a negative due to a possible EMP. EMPs effect and disrupt communicative waves in the area and will shut down things like radio waves and cell phone communication but it won’t effect local devices powered by batteries. So no need to worry about your battery powered optic going limp if your area gets hit by an EMP. Furthermore, the only real emp is known as a HEMP which is when a nuclear weapon is detonated in high altitude and at that point, your red dot not working is the least of your worries.

[@freethinkingamerican80]

Currently running a T1 w/magnifier on one build and a P2 on my 9mm PCC

[@mikeb4708]

Elcan Spector DR 1-4x FTW!

[@gansior4744]

that Omega on Braxton tho, holy molly

[@baronvonsnazzy3355]

22:02 yep, this is how I do it as well. 70ish meters and in I’m using the piggy backed dot.

[@TheFlea1987]

I prefer a dot or an MVPO with a dot depending on the build. My problem using irons has always been it covers up too much of the target and after taking a shot I move them out of the way to see my hit. With a dot its really easy to just look past the dot at my target and use my peripheral to see my shots.

[@Boon20]

Magnified all the way for me. 2-10, 3-15 or 5-25 are my prefered

[@privateprivate4315]

Absolutely love my Romeo 4t pro

[@paulzimmerman3895]

Very helpful. Thank you for your time on that one.

[@kyleisom]

I'm a simple man - XPS3 + G33 on the 5.56 (no BUIS), Swampfox Arrowhead 1-10 on the M1A. Might look at that Acro P2 for the M1A though.

[@ViolentbyDesign]

I have tried them all the LPVO, ACOG, red dot, EOTech and magnifier, I have come to like just an EOTECH for my AO. Fast, lightweight, durable, day or night, it’s nice. Just got to know those holds for longer shots which is very easy to remember if your training.

[@kenponinja1877]

What zero you running?

[@ViolentbyDesign]

@@kenponinja1877 50/200 yard