The #1 Thing Holding You Back in Destiny PvP

[@PattycakesGaming]

Should I do a part 2 on game sense?? Watch this next! 5 Essential PvP Tips for Destiny 2 kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWa6eYZpmN-Eg5o

[@jeremyemerson]

yes

[@lukeloroz5624]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaas

[@eclipsedigi]

please and thank you!

[@MrAhmer]

Sure man. I get lost let's say in the middle of a game on Twilight gap. Where do I go next? How do I set up an engagement when it seems like chaos? How do I avoid an easy death? Etc? I play mostly sixes and I have moments where I can predict but it blurs into a nightmare pretty quick.

[@fifthcylinder]

yesh

[@Alexisasancation]

0:56 cleanest transition ever

[@iamrazor9831]

I had to watch it again just how good that was damn

[@LifeOfGenesis]

I was taken aback by how smooth it was. VERY well done

[@Synrune]

I see these kind of comments all the time every time a animation transition is used. Those kind of transitions are really easy and quick to do and aren't really that impressive. They definitely make the video look good but are not hard at all to do, literally just take the same frame from an animation from 2 different points of your footage and change the footage on the next frame of the animation. I did this once with a reload animation and it's easy to do.

[@Fadegalaxy-mv4mp]

@@Synrune bruh calm down let people complement the creator

[@Synrune]

@@Fadegalaxy-mv4mp hey I don't want you to take this the wrong way. Nothing wrong with complimenting the creator for that I was just trying to explain to people how those are made and how they're not hard to do so maybe they'll want to try and do them if they ever edit a video. My commet was made in more of a "yo guys this isn't that hard to do you can do it too" way you know.

[@hyusi5090]

0:53 why is that so clean

[@barackobama6858]

Only KZbinr to actually help me improve my skills

[@p_squaredd8323]

Check out Ascendent Nomad

[@juststevoo]

@@p_squaredd8323 came here to say this

[@jermanvillegas3237]

@@juststevoo same lmao

[@nandoe8692]

0:59 that was the cleanest transition I’ve see

[@ShadowDestiny]

I think the distinction between tactics and strategy is really important because sometimes people focus on one or the other too much. The cues section was nice, I think people underestimate how much info you can gain from those. Excellent video

[@PattycakesGaming]

Thanks! It's a big picture idea and I think it takes time to fully grasp the differences between the two. I'm definitely guilty of mostly focusing on tactics, while players like Cammy are much more strategic

[@mohammedgaddal]

Patty I appreciate your hard work. Keep up the great content

[@senorpotatoiii3267]

"I should probably get to work on some school stuff now..." sees pattycakes video in my recommended I'll get it done eventually

[@jaredjohns9302]

Omg same

[@novanation5870]

(I'm editing this comment multiple times) I've been subconsciously learning the spawns without even knowing it and I've been making plays according to where people spawn. I tend to stay by my teammates in Survival if I know they all spawned at the same area in the map and I can't fight 3 people alone unless I get 1 or 2 sniper picks. Edit: I also tend to record my gameplay so I can watch it back and review what I did right and wrong and what I should continue to practice. I'd say I'm improving very fast and that's because I have tremendous motivation to improve.

[@infiniteboredom9642]

19:25 can we take a moment to appreciate that name cast combo in the kill feed

[@dustinkline6549]

That Goldie transition @ 1:00 was legit. Nice editing sir.

[@djphillips17]

his movement @21:14 with the sliding is beautiful defintely need to learn that

[@truthagent7605]

Love the golden gun transition

[@FlyyKaRizZmA]

The power of “jetlag” (fast moving hunter aping through walls) can only be bested by you lagging with them.

[@liamchiswell7338]

Yo that transition with the golden gun was clean af

[@jacobyirrell3615]

0:55 transition nutty

[@sovietsquidward3575]

I'm a PVE nerd but wanting to get up to a 1.3KD (seasonal that is) right now I think I am around a 1.0. These vids have been very useful, and it's been very helpful to hear these insights. Thank s Patty!

[@barackobama6858]

Can’t wait until season 15 when we get that trails rework and no three peaking

[@_hyprdude]

that snipe at 9:07 was *chef kiss*

[@nanaiyagarcia8010]

That screen transition at 0:57 was beautiful

[@TheBigSleazy]

You did a great job on this video. A lot of similar vids talk about game sense in a general way of using your “experience” to help you win fights/matches. The examples you give with the radar cues etc are so much better. During the second review where you mentioned that a better team would have punished the reckless play, it would be interesting to know WHAT the better opponents would have done to counter, even though the actual opponents lost the engagement. This could potentially be really helpful. Just an idea. Keep up the great work

[@PattycakesGaming]

Thanks! the main thing I think better players would have done is use their movement to create distance so they wouldn't be in shotgun range when they saw a titan flying at them. It's much harder to shotgun an experienced player because they can often see it coming

[@HeataveGaming]

As someone who frequently plays chess and destiny this is making me think of destiny in such a different way. In destiny I’m fairly defensive of a player, fairly reserved. But in chess if you play like that you’ll end up constantly having to defend Pericles and material instead of gaining, unless you set up some sort of trap. But it’s almost always best to attack in a safe but also constant way always having your opponent on the back foot without risking a piece to do it

[@MrPinkpanzer]

Acknowledging the other content made on this topic and giving your own unique take was the play. Well done. Looking forward to more. As an aside: I'm glad people are comfortable posting their gameplay. I don't have that kind of confidence.

[@bananawarlock3981]

I think what holds me back the most in PvP is the fact that I am quite brainless. I don't know the thought process involved in surviving and winning a Crucible match and even how to start it, or what it is for that matter. And even when I try and think to myself every move to execute during a match, it never lasts long until I switch to "brainless mode" per se. I don't know how to use my head, simply put. Which is most likely why I find myself almost constant outskilled, but now overwhelmingly so for 1 month or so. Not sure if I ELO went up or what, but I went from winning almost half of my matches to losing 80 to 90% of them, even when I do well and and on top of my team's board.

[@timnewton2530]

Pleas do more of these. Absolutely love the frame by frame breakdown so we can see what was done well and what could have been done better.

[@Frank-ul4zp]

Just a suggestion but not sure if it would be causing too much...there's eye tracking tools that could enable viewer to see what's you are looking at I think that would provide a good idea on what should be a player focusing on (whether it's your radar or your aim crosshair)

[@SubaIicious]

ahhh tyty for involving me

[@puuurgatoryplays8736]

Shouldve included me for lack of game sense smh my head

[@adored8810]

that golden gun transition! SHEESH

[@DoveBreadestOfBirds]

I enjoyed the inclusion of a clip from a lesser experienced player, an experienced one and a great player. I also enjoyed the analytic points of the lesser- and experienced player, however I felt like I was longing for some explanation for the great player, and why his "move" was the correct one, specifically for the dawnblade kill. From what you explained during the video is that in most cases, popping a super is a really strong move, and hard to defend against. Subalicious counter-move, was solely relying on his ability to shoot, as far as I could understand, and I think it would be nice to include this point, and perhaps mentioning that, if you feel less confident in your sniping ability, a different, good, move in this scenario would've been X or Y. (Especially if your main focus is tactics, and not aim) Great video, would love a part 2 :)

[@PattycakesGaming]

Thanks! I should have given a bit more detail on that part I agree. I have a series of “biggest mistakes” that goes into more detail you might enjoy and I’ll probably do a part 2 on this series sometime in the future

[@DoveBreadestOfBirds]

@@PattycakesGaming looking forward to it!

[@andruuu4649]

10:49 Cheater: Hold my beer

[@joris_db]

Communication is imo the most important thing to do to figure out what is probably happening next

[@TradeWithTraderIQ]

Thank you for all these great videos! I have learned a lot from your content.

[@PattycakesGaming]

Awesome!

[@TradeWithTraderIQ]

@@PattycakesGaming I'm about to apply this in a few minutes.

[@wkgates]

Your ideas are more fleshed-out and articulated than 99% of what can be found on youtube. Easy to believe you are an ex-engineer. Also: Strategy? Tactics? Someone has a history with the royal game 🙃

[@PattycakesGaming]

Haha thanks! Yeah I studied mech/aerospace engineering in school and worked as an engineer for a few years before I got into marketing... then somehow ended up as a KZbinr 😂

[@wkgates]

@@PattycakesGaming about to graduate as an ME myself; Maybe I'll end up on youtube lol 😂

[@curtisbryant6252]

I have seen him play. Elite movement skills and accuracy seem to him help out as well.

[@AdeptusSpikey]

just like to say thank you. i recently came across your videos for improving pvp and watched so much of your videos and have put your advice into my play and saw a big improvement in my game play. thank you. 👍😎

[@ajx4]

5:20 Rest in Piece, Meltdown 2017-2020

[@phoenix5029]

should you do make a second Game Sense video, I ask this question: *"out of all the information you (and others) mentioned, the radar, the firing angles, the kill feed, the audio cues, and so on... which of these can you afford to not actively stay appraised on and not get overwhelmed?"* I can easily claim that the kill feed doesn't matter as much if you can hear a super or sword, for example. I mean... the "where should I even start" segment is probably the most important bit of advice for someone like me, because after you listed all the information to keep track of as well as note the difference between a longer term strategy and shorter term tactic... frankly, all the stuff to remember to be aware of is flat out overwhelming... and... well, I've made an effort to study competitive fighting games to understand what the hell the big people are talking about. my main issue is just that, getting overwhelmed by having to keep track of everything ON TOP of trying to be a competent shot in the moment(I don't think aim trainers like Kovaaks would be something I'd personally get invested in).

[@PattycakesGaming]

Great suggestion!

[@phoenix5029]

@@PattycakesGaming Thanks. I figure I aught to mention that when you described "Game Sense" as being vital to improvement, but not something that's easy to describe completely, it reminded me of the discussion of the Neutral Game in fighters. As I'm sure you know, understanding Neutral is vital to success... but if you asked people (or sought out videos here on KZbin) to describe it in detail, no two answers are the same. Thankfully, there is enough overlap that, oftentimes, firsthand experience and some discussion with other players fills in the gaps on someone's personal understanding. Might make an interesting interview topic down the road...

[@anms_brk]

So this is why I sometimes can call out when enemies will use their super, and play around that. Sweet.

[@PattycakesGaming]

Yep! Or when you can predict a push, or a spawn, or anything

[@wesleischaefer1176]

I needed this video, thanks patty ❤️

[@Moose_Hawkins]

Do you have any advice for players with sensory issues? I've been trying to improve my game sense but having an extremely hard time because I just get overwhelmed with all the information on screen at once

[@xxx_swagolas_xxx6590]

Usually I can only predict that titan will try to stasis slide while holding W with Felwinter and hunter with stompees will try to jump as high as possible while holding W with Felwinter. No ik it's called game sense, mom is gonna be proud. Thank you, patty sensei. 😏😳 (Great video tho, very informative)

[@fatkidfromup2731]

I would also like to add this tactic I use if u kill someone as soon as they pop super check kill feed to see if it popped up that they used it if it shows up u know they don't have super

[@daquinz]

You're sick with the sniper. Would be awesome if you could make a video on how to improve your sniper skills. It'd be a lot of aim skill in play of course, but maybe you'd have some tips on placements, in which situations to use it, good snipers to use and perks, and even what ADS sensitivity you're using etc. Appreciate the content, learned some good stuff from your videos :)

[@PattycakesGaming]

I have a number of sniping videos on my channel you might like :)

[@daquinz]

@@PattycakesGaming Oh damn, just found your 49 minute long sniping guide video. Gonna watch it right away :D

[@Sylar382]

Love the content. Easy to digest but feels like I’m improving by huge amounts

[@kimto97]

Hey bro, no hate here but when you’re speaking I can sometimes hear this “clicking” sound? Not sure if it’s intentional or not but figured I’d let you know!

[@donaldolivier6786]

0:56 someone learned some new editing tricks >:)

[@PattycakesGaming]

haha I've had that one up my sleeve for a while, just found a fun place to use it

[@ForeverLaxx]

"Destiny is like chess." You must play a weird game of chess, then. Normally when I play chess, when my pawns reach the other side of the board they don't make all the captured Bishops, Rooks, and Knights appear behind my King for a free win.

[@raf4097]

Yeah usually the opponent pawns don’t spam stasis grenades either

[@wkgates]

Eh, analogies are never perfect. I think he does a good job explaining the parallels he sees between the two games.

[@ForeverLaxx]

@@wkgates I was mostly just making a joke about how my teams constantly flip the spawns.

[@wkgates]

@@ForeverLaxx ahhh lol

[@kenziesawyer1025]

Thx man, my team is triple stasis triple chaperone triple igneous for trials, we can get to 3 or 4 wins 0 losses but then lose, this will help

[@cartergiacomelli2364]

Bro the 7 kill golden gun clip was insane

[@adrift8871]

Thanks to your tips, I finally made Legend in competitive after 4 season trying!

[@cantanuh]

I already have game sense mechs and aim almost perfected in most fps games I play I just have a garbage pc and can only get around 80 fps

[@Vis80842]

After playing trials for a weekend and getting railed, i genuinely think that good PvP players are just wired differently; low neuroticism, intuition, competetiveness, arrogance, adaptability, ability to execute or improvise complex strategies like muscle memory. I'm not trashing, just impressed by how good some players are.

[@AT-ob8xr]

Nah they’re so arrogant on console, they think they’re insane bc they can go flawless with revenant

[@jonathanh.2483]

This information is incredible! I didn’t even know that the radar had an elevation indicator as well. Now if only I had the ability to do something with this knowledge...I know what needs to be done, but unfortunately lack the skill to execute it!

[@ForeverLaxx]

To be fair, it's sometimes hard to even notice the elevation difference in a fast-paced game, especially since Bungie went out of their way to make the radar as imprecise as possible.

[@pascal9470]

oh my god i needed this video for other games besides destiny. keep up the good work ^.^

[@Painadesu]

To answer the question in the beginning for fun, yes so I can try and come up with ways to counter it before hand. Oh yeah also great video professor Pattycakes.

[@gunjinyi2098]

what is the cloak of the hunter in the thumbnail? Looks pretty dope

[@spooglegoose]

my favorite part about destiny is where i attempt to mate my opponent but then their king slides around the corner with a shotgun and one bangs me

[@overwatchclone6125]

Okay so I'm a console player and there's something that's really been nagging me playing with a controller. What's Bungies reason for having limited sensitivity settings? Like my sensitivity in other games is much higher, and I feel like I get outgunned by people who play in air because I can't move up fast enough to challenge. And I also don't like the fact I have to use traction to increase my sensitivity. 1. I have to use a mod slot to fit it in and 2. I can't change my ads move speed which messes me up in gun fights. If anyone has any sort of official statement from Bungie I'd love to read it because I couldn't find anything

[@ziroeye1667]

Bro watching Ahamkara was frustration lol, all love though

[@M1thicaI]

Thank you so much patty cakes all your tips are amazingly helpful!

[@PattycakesGaming]

Glad it's helpful :)

[@MaximumRabbit]

The number one thing holding me back in Destiny 2 PvP is aim. All the strategery and tactics in the world can't mitigate the cartoon outline I paint around Guardians' heads. Even shotguns find a way to miss in my hands.

[@mizelf5807]

Do you think you could maybe try and set up an eye tracker and play a game or two of trials? I know I have a problem using all on screen information

[@PattycakesGaming]

I’d love to try one sometime

[@thechampionawesome1574]

Patty but what if I can't record my gameplay on my potato. Or if my problem is just constantly facing pros or having 1/3 their fps.

[@KINGREAPER950]

Can we take a min to talk about the golden gun transition at about the 0:55

[@CakeEqualsLie1]

Ok but “you can also know if the player is above or below you based on the opacity of the indicator” W H A T how did I not know this

[@lucianovidiu2511]

The radar is not working if they have network problem so you need to hear the move

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

So many pulse rifles in this video. I love it! If you havent tried a time worn spire with iron grip yet you need to. I have a slideways iron grip one and man I love it.

[@PattycakesGaming]

Pulse rifle tier list coming soon!! I'm excited to start testing all of them on stream :)

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

@@PattycakesGaming I honestly believe pulses counter 120 Hc's. They can peak fire like 120s and do very similar damage and range. Sometimes even more range.

[@dredgenbean6299]

Dude, your target acquisition scares me more than the Presage.

[@dredgenbean6299]

Also if D2 is chess, then I am currently a pawn. Damn near useless, but great potential.

[@byronichero2213]

I have no idea how people use top tree gooden gun. For me it never lasts for more than one kill

[@conordaly449]

What was the heavy weapon at 5:17?

[@icey984]

Great video... now make a video on “ How to fix my latency “

[@loganberrywooo]

You’re such a helpful youtuber!

[@grimreaper63151]

Usually when I play pvp I try to stick with my teammates for numbers advantage. Tho I usually get put on teams using either auto rifles or pulse rifles. Which is bad since most of the enemy teams I fight almost always use felwinters or 120 hand cannons. So we usually get pubstomped anyway. I'd use a shotgun myself but I'm not that good with them. Same with most hand cannons. Don't know why but in crucible I have a hard time getting headshots with hand cannons, Except for last word, igneous at times and crimson. Oh and can't forget malfeasance. most other hand cannons feel like a slapping machine. not good with snipers either. Best guns I'm good with would be auto's, scouts, and pulses. Shame I can't use what I want tho in crucible anymore. If I wanna do good I have to use a hand cannon or a shotgun and I hate that, that's the case

[@KiteoHatto]

I just dont understand understand where to look...

[@andreamcdevitt8484]

0:56 S M O O T H

[@spunky5176]

I didn't even realize i was in the vid lol

[@zer0nelothar895]

Skipped all steps turned into monke crayon ape

[@fifthcylinder]

Me, trying to listen but mesmerized by the gameplay: "wait, what did he just say?" fack

[@jeremyjamesjohnsonjasonjan1688]

this nerdy af , i like it

[@Lividmango]

This info is golden

[@PattycakesGaming]

What was most helpful for you?

[@caidenmartel461]

I joined the DC let's goo

[@rjdmoxy]

what are the shaders on those armor pieces in the thumbnail i gotta know

[@PattycakesGaming]

Metro shift

[@wlySayal]

what shader do you use to make your gun rainbow?

[@PattycakesGaming]

Iridescent Coral

[@harlanmuthoora8867]

This helped my friend become a pro

[@CrochCrochc]

I would love to be better in pvp but my pc can only do 26 frames max for desitny 2

[@Molly_The_Ranger]

What AR is that

[@hitherez_2925]

Love you Patty!

[@hivas2crazee]

I share these vids to help me and friends

[@joranvandenberg2115]

"A good player wins their 1's. A skilled player won't take them"

[@mmmosh4360]

Good video

[@jacobthereceiver3975]

How do i better my aim

[@brydoris6047]

The only thing holding me back is not using Hunter revenant.

[@prawnk1ng]

12:07 🤣

[@MunthirS]

2:04 How do you know I'm better than that? I'm struggling dude I am da poopoo 😭

[@PattycakesGaming]

haha it was a joke, use whatever you enjoy :)

[@iTs_Mezz]

What is that shader on your Igneous ?

[@PattycakesGaming]

Iridescent Coral

[@iTs_Mezz]

@@PattycakesGaming TY!

[@METALGRAMMYS]

NICE

[@mightytheknight2878]

I will correct you about the Behemoth and tecnically any ram Titan Super, there A move and it has been my most effective yet it called in essence "bull fighting" Esencially how bull fighting work, you taunt Evade the mellee and spread you opponent Titan with shotguns, I recommend Shotgun becuse there faster damage, especially the rapid fire shotguns will do a great use against supers. I normally done this with phonix dive the problem is that you need a very good timing, and aparently vertical movment is more effective then horizontal, as I explained before Behemoth mellee ramming can track a full 360 degrees horizontal yeah it can track full icarus dash in super flawlessly. The Only way to actually have higher chance of survival is vertical baiting. This works by, we'll how atlest I managed it is timing phonix dive to exacly land on the floor right exactly before the mellee hits you, the tactic is to taut the Behemoth to use the aor mellee seeking not the aoe wall spam, by him using this mellee he has to complete obligatory its animation and distance. Becuse Titan once mellee launch has to complete the animation in air Titan will be tecnicalky flying while you dive under him turn around and aim at his back and spam rapid fire Shotgun. In my case I have wishbringer. He can't do anything becuse your doing all tgis rapidly while he still in the mellee animation so Titan has no way of defending, the seeking won't target you becuse it mostly horizontal tracking not vertical. Bevuse Phoenix Dive and it may work for shatter drive is so slow when reaching the ground you really have to time it but once done the Behemoth is dead garenteed if you shot him various time of course. It also work for Spectral Blade light attack seeking. This works becuse the seeking of those supers are so insane and fast,and they work as a make shift icarus dash, there stuck in that icarus dash animation and at that time you can exploit it and outspeed them before they recover. With phonix dive you need perfect timing thou. The have to exacly almost hit you before you touch the floor, once done you have the upper hand for those super that were use kindoff reckless. It's quite interesting how you can take the advantage of Spectral Blade super and Behemoth super and exploit it to your advantage and their downfall

[@croz2258]

I predict losing to cheaters every flawless game, does that count?

[@oldwarmonger8750]

Clicked on video...video buffers...the one thing holding me back 988 kbps at a time.

[@shinigami951002]

I'm going to get a tattoo with all of the script from the video maybe that way I can finally learn because really sxxk in the crucible T-T like a lot

[@PattycakesGaming]

I’ll send it to you 😂