Paul & Morgan Harass Strangers About Modesty

[@pigeonsata173]

Paul and Morgan more like Poop and Mourning

[@AnnamarieForcino]

you just owned the frick out of them

[@udu8888]

Gottem

[@Imscaredofeverything]

You're so cool! That's an amazing comeback! Teach me your ways!!

[@elysianblu]

this is the best first impression of yourself you couldve ever given. i applaud you

[@mariaantoniajosephajohanna]

Fucking OWNED

[@renatal.129]

this is the epitome of "what do women think about women? WE ASKED A MAN"

[@pansexualdickhaver6878]

“That’s like me writing a book called ‘the struggles of the third trimester’” -Bill Burr😂

[@Suited_Nat]

Yep. Lol. Sadly it reflects why roe v Wade was overturned.

[@nailinthefashion]

You're describing rightists just like as a philosophy

[@Michael-r3d]

Uno reverse card

[@cryptochrome3090]

Lmao it reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from Moral Orel. Orel asks his dad “what’s the best way to find out what your wife needs to be happy?” and his dad says, “well, I suppose the best way to know what any woman needs is to read about what other men think women need.”

[@BandlerChing]

As a woman who is the mother of two young boys (11 and 7), I actually think it’s important for them to be “exposed” to tiny bikinis. I want them to understand that it’s normal for a woman to wear a bathing suit at the beach. I want them to understand that having a body is not an invitation to sexualize people.

[@MOTHHMAN]

you sound like a wonderful mom, your kids will grow up to be great people :)

[@icaro_andstuff]

Omg YES, you are amazing.

[@FIRING_BLIND]

You're a great mom. Keep it up. We need more men who were raised by moms like you

[@sabsain2399]

If they can look at men's bodies that way, why not women's? Why do we treat women's bodies so differently? It's sickening to realize that it's seriously only because of MEN and MEN ALONE.

[@kstar1489]

Idk about going out of your way to do that though

[@Uneclipsed]

Paul asking questions about modesty while his nipples are fully visible through his shirt is hilarious to me.

[@Emcostanza]

Oh modesty only applies to women obviously. 100% Paul swims shirtless

[@Uneclipsed]

@@Emcostanza I mean, we KNOW he's a tits-out kinda girlie. The lack of awareness is comedy gold.

[@ruthperez7985]

It's the double standard for me

[@krussyarts]

​@@Uneclipsed i just know he'd pass out from anger if he got called a "tits-out kinda girlie" to his face

[@roseashkiiii4361]

20:07 THIS MADE ME HIT MY HEAD ON A LAMP HOW DARE YOU DISTRACT ME! HARLOT!

[@RebakaChan]

I “dress modestly” but it’s mainly because as an extremely fair skinned red head; I don’t want skin cancer. That’s honestly about as deep as it gets.

[@franziska9260]

Conversely, I don't, because dear god its so hot here and I don't want to blast the ac all day

[@Cass2008]

Same 😭👍

[@mallarielove]

real!!! i just dress modesty because it feels comfortable for me. they always project and then assume you live the exact same way they think women should. it’s so gross

[@starletnight2849]

Gurl sameee 😭 I’m also chubby so I could never rock that sh^t like others can

[@cheapestqueen559]

i dress 'modesty' cuz my clothing style is lesbian adam sandler 😭😭

[@veryberryleigh]

If a lady wearing a bikini at the beach makes you feel you are about to uncontrollably "stumble", maybe you should be put on some sort of list, Paul.

[@alishairdina413]

Exactly! How are they a 'good Christians' if seeing women in bikinis can make them stumble? When it comes to sexualization, it's never the fault of someone who is sexualized without their own consent.

[@bendrui]

Purity culture isn't only misogynist, it's misandrist as well. It assumes that men are wild animals, and unable to control themselves.

[@ameliasellers6396]

Purity culture harms all, no matter who they are.

[@Entomology314]

This is why misogyny hurts everyone. People need to learn that women are not delicate flowers that will break if you blow on them and men are not sex obsessed gorillas.

[@cyrus2430]

my history teacher used to say “power of the penis” and yeah it’s just true tbh

[@lovelyjack]

​@@Entomology314ah yes the two genders of good ol-misogyny the fragile flower and the horny gorilla

[@error-try-again-later]

It's because the men who preach this rhetoric ARE that, and they assume every other guy must be as well.

[@marimecham]

It really hit with the abby shapiro point. She promotes the same things they do, she's the pinnacle of a modest conservative woman, but she's STILL sexualized

[@Thatgenderconfused3mo]

And it has EVERYTHING to do with purity and virginity and all of that and it’s REPULSIVE 😭

[@sabsain2399]

Of course. Men will want to tell you to be the "good" woman who deserves respect and protection from men so they can have free reign to assault and harass the "bad" women, but then go around and harass the "good" women too. It was always about misogyny and having control.

[@ddjsoyenby]

yeah' almost like "modesty" doesn't work hmmmmmmm.

[@Kate09090]

@@ddjsoyenbyAlmost like “Protecting your brothers in Christ” is a useless endeavor. Hmmm

[@calliopedanceparty]

Not fun fact: “causing men to stumble” isn’t just about lust, it’s also used in Evangelical communities as straight up victim blaming for SA

[@mewmew6158]

I was going to mention this as well! The victim blaming in the fundie community is very harmful.

[@nailinthefashion]

Not fun fact: the Duggars used that same logic when trying to explain what happened within their own family. To think that this level of indoctrination is legal is literal insanity, it won't end as long as it's under an airtight fundamentalist mask

[@herekitty791]

It's not even a fact.

[@strayiggytv]

@@herekitty791 yeah it is. Deal with it

[@lankxns1818]

There’s a line in the Bible that says women who experienced SA should be stoned, “because they were clearly asking for it and fine with it if they didn’t scream loud enough for others to come and help” so yeah :(((

[@TheAwesomes2104]

Crazy to me how they're like "Be submissive to your husband. The man is the leader. God gave him wisdom and toughness to lead!" But at the same time like "Yeah, men are so mentally weak and easily manipulated that if you even just exist comfortably in your own body, it'll cause them to sin because they simply can't control their own minds." Also, this whole thing about being true to the Bible and teachings of Jesus, but completely ignoring that. Jesus said that if your eye causes you to sin, you pluck it out. Their own deity literally instructed that if a man sins because he sees something that makes him less after a woman, to pluck out his eyeballs, not blame the woman and tell her to cover up and make him stop sinning.

[@squashbanana3894]

Literally been a thing for hundreds of years. There's SO many texts from the witchcraze era that very clearly state that women are extremely emotionally intelligent and can twist men around their fingers. Then in the same breath will say that any woman with the academic intelligence of a man must have the powers of Satan. But men weren't capable of making the connection that intelligence is intelligence and could translate to other fields. I personally think it's well and truly hilarious

[@tanya-789]

Yep, they can even say this things back to back in the same breath. Lack of logic is palpable

[@Fauniq]

Plus, God intended for Adam and Eve to be nude.

[@trixjoyce]

I actually was encouraged by my very CATHOLIC MOTHER to be proud of my ”beautiful body” today when I was questioning if my dress was too short or if my boobs was appearing a little bit big... I wore that dress and we had a great time at my equally catholic relatives… And their friends that stayed with them. Nobody gave a f*ck about my immodest clothing choice and I felt beautiful and cute. And my family + their friends are also from India, so I know modesty is a thing in many places in that country and stuff. But I have never been brought up like that. When I saw Paul’s grandma I realized how lucky I am being part of a progressive family……….

[@s.a.4358]

Also, a piece of clothing can appear differently on different bodies. If someone has naturally larger breasts, they will be more visible in any piece of clothing than the same item on a person with smaller breast, even if it is not a ‘revealing’ piece of clothing.

[@trixjoyce]

@@s.a.4358 Yes exactly.

[@Arlowisarat101]

“Should women wear skimpy clothing?” YES (if they want to) Women are absolutely stunning and gorgeous when wearing what makes them happy 😤

[@justjocelyn9639]

Yea I never quite understood the other side of the argument especially from people using religion to say that people (mostly women) should dress modestly cuz in the garden of eden wasn't God mad when Eve and Adam realized they were naked and put clothes on?

[@Alleywaycat-]

Like have you ever SEEN a woman? Literally stunning, full stop.

[@MyDuckSaysFucc]

I agree as long as it’s adults. The only merit to this conversation comes when we talk about minors and even how social media influencers (on child or teen friendly sites) are essentially creating soft core porn and labeling it as “body positivity”. A woman’s worth should NOT be directly about a*ss jiggling on Instagram (and no I’m not making that up). I see so many girls younger than 15 dressing inappropriately and it’s definitely concerning. Like, shorts with their cheeks completely showing, crop tops, etc. no child should be dressed like a sex trafficking victim. And I’m not the kind of person that’s bothered by tight clothes or a little cleavage, that’s not what I’m talking about here.

[@amaniiexxchnge]

That’s my thing ppl forget that women might actually Love how they look ???? And see beauty in nakedness or just being a woman period. I don’t understand

[@christinewarden3450]

Be as modest as eve was, and be as sexual as Mary Magdalene, that's what the them their Bible teaches

[@Shoulderpads-mcgee]

Is crazy that they’re promoting modesty when someone 150 years ago would be appalled by their outfits. Modesty is so subjective and based on time and place

[@marleesgrace]

“Thou ankles areth exposethed!! Cover thineself heathen!!!!”

[@allhailralsei]

​@@marleesgraceor ye shalt be tried as a witch!!!

[@Soulociraptr]

Exactlyyy

[@donnie96]

I was once groped on the school bus while wearing a winter coat, three shirts, and two layers of pants. Men will sexualize us no matter what we wear.

[@queenwhatever5217]

I’m sorry that happened to you.

[@ameliasellers6396]

That's horrifying, I'm sorry that happened to you. But these religious hypocritic zealots want to paint woman who are assaulted as immodest so they can blame them rather than blame the actual problem, typically because the problem is often within their own house.

[@brookethomas5158]

In Afghanistan, women are required to wear burkas. Even their eyes are completely covered. At most, you'd be lucky to see their hands. But IRONICALLY there is still so so much SA there. So like at what point does it stop being our fault and they begin to take even an ounce of responsibility?

[@demuredaemon4684]

I wanna scream when people try to say that it's partially our fault because of the clothing for this exact fucking reason! I was assaulted while wearing 3 shirts, pants, a pair of leggings, and 2 skirts!

[@shinryujinanswermycalls6648]

Im sorry that happened to you, and i understand. I was followed by a man wearing long plain and thick sweatpants and a black t shirt😭😭

[@bug5826]

“she seems very sweet i hope she doesn’t say some bullshit” 5 seconds later “i think it’s disgusting to see them not dressed modestly” “GRANDMA?! NANA?!”

[@faithlivengood4628]

"should women wear bikinis?" "Absolutely not, men should!" That should get them to shut up

[@icecreamisMine]

Abusive adults are the reason we develop body insecurities and then project them onto other people.

[@AzureSiniy]

And kids can just be assholes, but the adults who don't do anything sometimes reenforce that cycle

[@DustyHoney]

@@AzureSiniyPersonally, I’d say that’s neglect. Parents who don’t teach their children to not be assholes, are ignoring them as much as possible.

[@apriljk6557]

this 100%

[@apriljk6557]

​@@DustyHoneythis too

[@TheAwesomes2104]

I used to model for a art school, completely nude essentially all the time, and because the purpose of my attire, or lack thereof, had nothing to do with anything sexual, and the people around me were extremely respectful, I was never sexualized while modeling in the nude (and if I was, they kept it to themselves) On the other side of things, I have been sexually harassed while literally wearing the parka and snow pants, decked out in welding gear, in a McDonald's uniform as a teenager. It doesn't matter how nude you are, third situations where you can be butt ass naked completely appropriately and not a single person Will think about it sexually. On the other hand, people who want to be creeps will do so regardless of what you're wearing , where you are, what you're doing, etc.

[@summercucumber4964]

I don't want to hear fundies crying about "biblical modesty" with bare limbs and uncovered heads. 🤣

[@zorro......]

they talk about modesty and then talk shit about hijabi muslims.........

[@ameliasellers6396]

​@@zorro......Modesty, but to their standards only.

[@cyrus2430]

don’t forget their mixed fabrics

[@error-try-again-later]

I have yet to see a single fundie guy gouge out his own eye (which is sad bc they should)

[@semogecarg]

Morgan isn't even wearing a veil how disgusting

[@ashboheme]

I read a comment today that said, “When you police sexuality and bodies, everything becomes more sexual.” The ones who believe that everyone should cover their entire bodies in clothing are the ones who are over sexualizing. Doesn’t matter what you wear, someone will sexualize you for having human body parts. I mean, shoulders are forbidden to be shown in school because it’s “distracting”. I just know that the men who preach and judge people for what women wear are the same men who watch pornhub constantly and are subscribed to OnlyFans

[@silviasacchi9001]

When I was 20, on a hot Italian summer day, minding my own business, a lady stopped me while walking down the street. I was wearing shorts and a tank top. She was probably 70-75. She stopped me to tell me that I looked amazing in those clothes and that if she was my age she would wear the exact same. She said that when she was young they were not allowed to go out dressed like that but she wished they could, and that if another “old witch” told me otherwise to just know they were simply jealous. I’m 30 now and still remember that encounter. That’s the energy I want to see in the older generations and I hope to be that supportive when I’m that age.

[@hatetheusername]

awh that’s so sweet

[@sam2572]

my grandmother, almost 90, has been a devout catholic her entire life. never once has she judged anyone for dressing immodestly. even when it comes to going to church, she says, "god doesn't care what you wear, he's just happy that you're there." never pressures her kids or grandkids into going to church with her, even though she herself goes every week, all dressed up nicely. i've always thought my grandmother to be the "ideal christian" in a way: herself devoutly believing, but never judging based on her religion or others' practices/lack thereof.

[@sentientplant9658]

we love almost 90 devout Catholic grandma my grandmother is also almost 90 and she's just stubborn as hell

[@apoorvasastry7073]

This reminds me of my grandma as well. For context, and I Indian and Hindu and my grandma always taught me to respect people from all walks of life. She partook in a religious trip with Muslim women and used to light candles in a church.

[@faiththeunknownbeing8126]

Literally my pap

[@anerdyrat]

Your grandmother is so sweet

[@thomasfallon5632]

my Grandmother is like the gold standard in what a christian ought to be in my opinion. She's shown me not to judge, to forgive, to accept others for who they are (she hugged my sister when she came out as a lesbian). I've never heard a mean word come out of her mouth. Truthfully she follows the love thy neighbor rhetoric and to not judge others. Also she's 90 so age is not an excuse ever.

[@KZesty]

This is beautiful 💖

[@KazJonesy]

Your grandma sounds so sweet, she deserves the world :)

[@mewmew6158]

Great point! If someone spent their life growing in kindness, then they wouldn't be so cruel, bigoted, and judgmental! Age isn't an excuse.

[@godisdead6611]

Sounds exactly like my grandma! At 86

[@cycymaca]

Based grandma❤

[@anonomus8709]

“No, I’m not personally attacking you. I’m personally attacking Paul and Morgan.” That is a whole mood 😆

[@scarlettredding]

MOOD lmao 🤣 💯

[@kanityreactions]

Did he just say "people who are pro women" will dislike the video?? So he admits he is AGAINST women? :'D

[@IamGrimalkin]

You misheard him. He said people who are pro-women-going-crazy-with-their-dress will dislike the video.

[@MaddieFaithJ]

As a young woman, I’m sexualized many times by middle aged men. I’ve been followed in a target at the age of 11 and I was wearing rainbow pants and a hoodie, so modesty isn’t the problem, the men out there who see woman as tools, and as distractions for just existing is the problem.

[@msjkramey]

Eff anyone who says women shouldn't wear what they want because men might "stumble." As a r*pe survivor and someone who has dealt with so much sexual harassment, even in ugly work uniforms, it has nothing to do with how modest you are. It's 100% on the abuser/attacker/harasser/whoever

[@NoName-fo2je]

Yessss, also as a rape survivor I can second this. It doesn’t matter what you wear or what you do, it will always be the abuser, that’s their shit not yours or anyone’s. But also every place and time has different modesty standards so what do we even go off of: like if we went back to 1930 America they would think all of us were inappropriate and most certainly immodest. I literally got raped in baggy sweat pants with an even baggier T-shirt, another time I was wearing a Snuggie. It’s disgusting to me how women especially are shamed for clothing and blamed for these atrocities committed onto them(like I can’t even think of something more effed and backwards). I am so sorry that happened to you I’m glad you know it wasn’t your fault, it will always be the abuser/perpetrators. I hope you have a beautiful life full of joy, healing and everlasting love!

[@toubi4316]

I feel like those who advocate for (specifically) women dressing “modestly” are simply pissed that they feel sexual urges towards (by which I mean urges to r***) them, so instead of addressing their own issues, they take their anger out on those who they feel urges towards (which are mostly women).

[@otakueve117]

I would really like to say what they would say to people who were SA and Mol**+ed as children and babies.

[@emilyrasputin]

​@@otakueve117 I'm sure they would talk around it and say "that's different though" to get out of admitting their hypocrisy 🤷‍♀️

[@Gayditor]

also… this “stumbling” is NOT ON THE WOMAN AND NEVER WAS. in the bible, jesus teaches that if looking woman causes a man to want to rape her, the man should take out his eyes so as not to have those thoughts anymore

[@Halfmoonbaee]

Paul says its vague because its not about woman only. So proud of that man for standing up for himself.

[@blackprimrose7541]

All honesty i cannot tell what you are entailing

[@Shoulderpads-mcgee]

@@blackprimrose7541they’re talking about the guy Paul interviewed who called for a modesty standard for all Christians and wouldn’t fall for Paul trying to make it all about women. The commenter is proud of the dude for standing his ground on gender equality and when Paul was trying to insight sexist conversation

[@blackprimrose7541]

@@Shoulderpads-mcgee oh fr? Cool beans

[@scarlettredding]

👏👏👏👏👏 I applaud that guy whoever he is that's a real one there

[@Shoulderpads-mcgee]

@@blackprimrose7541 yea! Also edited my comment to say “wouldn’t fall” instead of “would fall.” Whoops lol

[@supermaryg]

Paul: Generalized loaded question about women specifically being too immodest. Guy at 14 minute mark: We need specifics on what modesty is before we start judging women specifically, and we should apply those same rules to everyone. Paul: WOW HOW VAGUE AND SAFE! Did Paul black out during the answer and just talk to himself?

[@Albinojackrussel]

That point about defining modesty is so important. These sorts of videos never actually seem to define what "modest" means, and basically always reaffirm that you an dress "modest" and still look cute. To my mind doesn't aiming to look good defeat the purpose of the modesty? Surely it's not as petty and materialistic as hiding your physical body? Surely there's a spiritual meaning and purpose to it if it's a religious imperative? It's just so shallow

[@jdbrown9380]

Paul couldn’t handle a politely dissenting viewpoint and tried to discount its validity by calling it Safe and vague

[@someonerandom8552]

Exactly! Like you could point to points in the past, what Paul and Morgan are wearing would be considered very immodest. Hell some Christians today would consider their clothing to be immodest.

[@raec.9308]

It's funny how these sorts of people always try to justify older people's view of the world as "they're from a different time" yet my great-grandmother, a Catholic Latina immigrant, has never believed these things. She has quite literally told me that if I married a woman, she would pay for both of our wedding dresses. Age is not an excuse

[@kaylanmoudy1788]

my nana was born in 1936, she was a christian woman through and through but she would always say “if you got it, flaunt it”.

[@missfayz4523]

Watching this is a German is absolutely funny, because we have naked beaches here and also not that few lol a big chunk of my fam is from east Germany and they in the past, literally went on family holiday in nudist camping grounds and stuff. A naked body isn't inherently sexual, it only becomes so, when you shame people for showing it.

[@ninjaunicorn575]

I thought about that too! "Damn i hope they never find out about FKK! They couldn't handle that one!"

[@krussyarts]

Mhm, i think the "a naked body isn't inherently sexual" comes across very well in art. Nude art is generally not meant to be sexual. However, historian's have this silly goofy trait of saying "oh, the artist drew HER with a mischievous gaze as to entice the viewer" and it's just a neutral if not apathetic expression. Sooo much nudity in art was never intended as sexual, granted, we don't know anything about the artists true intent, but still. A lot of nude art just gets called sexual. For example, a lot of nude female statues from forever ago get sexualised (at least in my art history classes) as opposed to the nude male statues. The double standard is astounding.

[@Simina-pi5te]

Romanian here and half of the beach is nude too. Not gonna lie seeing older people naked is not exactly my favorite thing

[@krussyarts]

@@ninjaunicorn575 i genuinely think that they couldn't even BEGIN to wrap their brains around free body culture Bodies? Free? In this society??? Not on MY Christian Minecraft Server

[@enjab7697]

Oh yes. They should never go to the English garden in Munich. Their brains would probably just explode seeing so many people comfortable with nudity😂

[@kudosforkai888]

the guy in baby blue really was spitting some facts about the fact that people following that faith should stick to the faith, but Paul really wasnt expecting the answer not to be ridduled in misogyny

[@chickennuggetpaw]

“No hetero, I love this guy.” That’s hilarious and needs to become a thing that more people say 😭

[@mariaantoniajosephajohanna]

Lol my friends and I use that one a LOT

[@weirdgirl4611]

That needs to be her next merch.

[@sentientplant9658]

My friend is gay and every time I wanna tell him I love him I start off with "no hetero" 😂😂😂😂

[@cheeling794]

I thought the same exact thing and made a mental note to start using it😂

[@PansyPops]

I’m gonna make this my personal motto

[@phoeberose2429]

"Lack of all trades" is a fantastic insult and I'm definitely adding it to my vocabulary. Thank you

[@Pure_Lard]

I love how they’re like “It’s bad to dress for someone else/the approval of others” while also being like “Don’t dress like that, it’s disgusting!!😤😠😠”

[@meltryllis6239]

As a christian who's transmasc, there's a youtuber named Belief It or Not and he made a really good video essay on how dangerous "Purity Culture" is and how it does more harm than good. I recommend giving it a listen!

[@CinnaDmon]

Yo I love belief it or not!

[@wooogie672]

he has a lot of good videos

[@caseylovesthesharks]

Yes, Trevor Poelman does have great videos!

[@brandonkennedy4160]

He’s in my list of favorite KZbin channels. Being trans and Christian seems like it might end up in some stressful situations at times. Hope you’re well.

[@sentientplant9658]

I love Belief It Or Not

[@mariaantoniajosephajohanna]

Paul and Morgan making "man on the street" content? Man, this really *is* the bad place.

[@charlotteelizabeth1239]

i understood this reference

[@moatrboat]

great

[@OpalLeigh]

We are truly on the worst timeline 🤢

[@CaseyJones-jx6qf]

@OpalLeigh community reference

[@error-try-again-later]

Morgan is so obviously one of those insecure girls who changes her whole personality for a guy's attention, and Paul clearly thrives off that insecurity. It's embarrassing to watch.

[@taylorbelflower-ly6sg]

I feel personally she would benefit from a progressive non dominatial that own the shame her for having sex before marriage

[@Nastasyashanti]

@@taylorbelflower-ly6sgI agree he constantly brags about how her premarital experience created problems in their marriage and not that he’s being a dick. I mean boy you are going to have 2 kids with a woman you have zero Os you don’t think you’re the problem?

[@fancydeer]

"I don't care if he falls off a friggin cliff" I howled. Sis!

[@Persepholeigh]

"It's not respectful toward men." I don't respect them.

[@emmabrister747]

There is quite literally nothing wrong with dressing to look cute. Wear what makes you feel comfortable, yes, but also wear what makes you feel sexy.

[@sabsain2399]

Men try to comprehend the idea that women don't live to please them and get their attention at every turn - challenge failed.

[@karsthepillardood3265]

Yeah and even if you are doing sexual stuff that does not mean you have to accept shit from people over it

[@FeministCatLadySpinster]

I know Paul and Morgan (or at least Paul) watch videos made about them, so I can only imagine their reaction to their modesty video being used as a vehicle for a sex toy ad.

[@salamzander]

I’m so obsessed 😂

[@ineedmyhoodie]

Didn't even realize that, I love Anna even more now

[@error-try-again-later]

Power move.

[@brandonkennedy4160]

Hilarious!! Kind of hope they watch now.

[@ensommeille5315]

the whole "distracting men" thing pisses me off so much as a lesbian like I manage to control myself! you have no excuse! that woman who said "there is something we can do as women" is kinda right-the ones who have sons can teach them not to be creeps instead of putting all the onus on women to dress in a way that can't even insinuate that you MIGHT have nipples under there lmao

[@rewdskwid]

The women that preach this shit are very insecure themselves. Instead of holding their husbands and sons accountable, they take it out on other women.

[@juliemiller6966]

The cult I grew up in (similar to the Duggar’s) would consider Morgan’s outfit extremely immodest because you can see her shoulders. Modesty is relative. They never cease to amaze me with how problematic and unaware they always seem to be.

[@jubilantsleep]

It always blows my mind that the people who hate all government because they “don’t like being told what to do” are perfectly fine with their religion telling them (and everyone else) what to do.

[@britsaunders2151]

I feel like the concept of modesty is very much levied against women with body types like my own. I have a size F bust and first got breasts at age 6. It's impossible not to notice how few things I'm "allowed" to wear in comparison to other people. School uniforms that were fine for everyone else where a problem on me. Other girls could wear shirts that when I did, I was told I was "showing off" or needed to cover up. As I got older literallt everything I do became sexualized no matter what. I even stopped eating ice cream to avoid it. The message from age 6 was clear: Be ashamed of my body. It is still something I struggle with becsuse I know wearing clothes I like and that most others could wear will cause me a ton of judgement and harrassment. I just hate this whole modesty crap. Just feels like an excuse to make people hate the body they were born in.

[@kylastyla6399]

Right like when you’re just wearing clothes and you’re told stuff like that it hurts and really pokes at your self esteem.

[@stickshiftsteph9968]

I'm a j cup and I wear triangle bikinis. If it pisses people off just by seeing me compared to a flat chested woman, I hope it makes them sit and think about why they feel that way specifically in regard to curvy bodies.

[@britsaunders2151]

@@stickshiftsteph9968 i admire you

[@sophieborgmeyer9771]

I feel you. I was simply wearing a tanktop with a F-Cup and my BF asked me why I was dressed so sexy for going to my college library, every man on the street openly stared at me and one even verbally harassed me. I went home and cried that day ant then changed into a t-shirt

[@advisorywarning]

Girl you are 1000000000% on point. I am a 34F and I needed a training bra at age 8. I was constantly sexualized by older boys and men my entire life. It’s extremely dehumanizing and has led to quite a few traumatic experiences. Was constantly blamed for “showing off” by simply wearing a t shirt! Not to mention the back pain:( I am working towards being able to get a breast reduction.

[@salamzander]

I get such predator vibes from Paul. Don’t get me wrong, Morgan is problematic too. But if you watch her videos from before she did this channel, she is MILES different. I don’t think this is a coincidence.

[@zekec6088]

Morgan has such a deer in the headlights look... 😳😥

[@AnnamarieForcino]

the fact that morgan vomited at the altar on their wedding day…

[@salamzander]

@@AnnamarieForcino 👀

[@Thatgenderconfused3mo]

@@AnnamarieForcinoyou’re LYING😭

[@rebeccahill6596]

Oh yeah dude. Their sex video made me want to vomit. Paul does come off as predatory, and I don't think he's going to change anytime soon. Poor Morgan. She's no saint, but I'm sure being married to him she's probably very frustrated in more ways than one.

[@geekaburns4727]

That guy who insisted all Christians should dress modestly as a whole as opposed to just women was pretty based tbh

[@viridianacortes9642]

Yeah. Almost like he thinks men and women are equals. I liked him. 😅

[@jglobetrotter2830]

It’s my understanding there are multiple places in the New Testament where the same direction was given to men and women, but was translated as “modesty” for women and “humility” or “meekness” for men.

[@ddjsoyenby]

jesus did say to g0ug3 your eyes out if you can't control your lust just saiyan!

[@gracedixon125]

the idea of friends "holding eachother accountable" in their modesty sounds Exhausting

[@the_goddess_1859]

I do the opposite, I encourage the inner hoe in all my friends

[@josephinedykstra3383]

What's funny to me (Christian, ace lesbian, so... I don't get along with the fundiegelical crowd) is that the "modest" swimwear overlaps a lot with the classic sports bra + board short lesbian swimwear. It's the swimming version of cottagecore or tradwife

[@beingcreative4154]

Would like to take this moment to point out that I was actually in one of their videos before and I just would like to say for safety they are located in the central Kentucky area of the US if you wish to avoid them. Also they are bad for twisting people's views to fit their own. The only reason they didn't switch around words is cause I'm an asexual and they were asking about sex however they asked this question to a group of lgbtq+ people with the clear intention of singling us out. The questions felt very uncomfortable and we all mentioned that we were worried about the content from the moment we finished the interview. It was especially clear they wanted to make fun of us as they targeted us outside of a Spencer's and we were very obviously not Christian people. The entire comment section was people hating on me and my friends for our appearance and saying that it's up to a person to decide what they want to do as long as there is mutual consent. Beware these people if you live in central Kentucky.

[@deltaloraine]

If heaven and hell are real, I think Paul and Morgan are going to be surprised where they end up 👀

[@ameliasellers6396]

​@@deltaloraine"Satan?" "Yes Joanne." "We have another set of fundie complainers on our hands." "*sigh* Send them in."

[@amandab771]

@@ameliasellers639610/10 reference, I love stanzi

[@InaneBlatherPodcast]

​@@ameliasellers6396didn't know this was a reference to something, so I assumed that "Joanne" was just a sly nod to JK Rowling working for Satan hahahaha

[@r3ptomaniac190]

I saw the dude in the UK shirt and I was like nooooo. It’s where I went to school and am still living now. I wasn’t born here but I hope to help offset the presence of people like them

[@roxycauldwell544]

First guy: "of course men have control over what they see-" Me: YES!!!!!! Guy: "but then again I think women should respect those men by-" 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@cycymaca]

He saw the light at end of the tunnel but decided to turn around🤦‍♀️

[@Michael-r3d]

'Only women should be respected' -femceIs

[@error-try-again-later]

"women should respect those men-" No ❤️

[@mjewrites]

they are constantly trying to “both sides” it so as not to offend either side and it makes them look stupid every time 😂

[@solus8685]

Yeah, cause ofc there's nothing more disrespectful than me minding my own business and not inconveniencing anyone

[@eternallustformedusa4844]

i think EVERY adult of ALL genders should wear itty bitty bikinis if paul doesn’t like that, he can come take them off us 😩😩😩

[@mel0dicHarp]

Putting an ad for a vibe in a video about a Christian couple that thinks hugging will lead to losing your virtue is a hell of a move

[@mightymeatymech]

i truly admire morgan for being able to let that man inside her without vomiting. that cannot be easy

[@dualscreengrant]

She vomited during their wedding.

[@mightymeatymech]

@@dualscreengrant oh.. well in that case, i admire her for not vomiting more. i guess.

[@EasterWitch]

As a European and Scandinavian i believe a body should never be seen as inherently sexual. If someone wants to wear less clothes then they should be able to do so. I also think women should be able to go topless on the beach. If someone gets all "lustful" from seeing someone dressing in a tiny bikini or topless they should definitely check in on themselves on why that is and what they can do to change that.

[@sarahchicago]

Yes! Making any body part forbidden, whether hair, ankle, shoulder, belly button, nipple, or anything else, is what makes people view them sexually! None of it is inherent.

[@jacklow9611]

I've read somewhere that bare breasts on a woman is considered immoral because they are used to feed their babies, and it's more "respectful" to mothers not to view their bare breasts. That's what they say, but with as many men who find them sexually arousing (and are always talking about the shape or size of a woman's breasts [or wanting their wives/girlfriends to have enlargement surgery]), that explanation kind of falls flat.

[@elmoworld850]

​@@jacklow9611In more conservative countries, women breastfeed their babies in public.

[@jacklow9611]

@@elmoworld850: I believe there's nothing wrong with that, as I had an aunt (my mother's youngest sister) who would, in a family setting, just whip it out to feed my cousin when he was a baby, so seeing a bare breast was nothing strange. I knew it was a completely natural activity, and no one stared or sexualized my aunt. I find it very strange now that the Puritan mindset that was held in the early history of this country still exists strongly, despite the fact that many who were activists in the Sexual Revolution during its heyday are now some of the most vocal about modesty and "morality". I also find it to be hypocritical when they scream about people being immodest and immoral in public yet are often the ones who are lecherous and "kinky" in their private lives. What people do in the privacy of a home is nobody else's business (as long as nobody's being hurt is fine with me, and it is not a bad thing that there are indecent exposure laws to prevent the offending of certain people, but I'm also of the mindset that those laws are sometimes going too far because modesty/immodesty is in the eye of the beholder.

[@s.a.4358]

⁠@@jacklow9611I don’t understand, breast are there to feed babies (truth) so it is immoral for other people to look at them? With that logic we should not look at anything that is food. I really don’t think the baby will care if someone sees them eat 🙃

[@green25459]

I love the fact that despite our nation’s widening income inequality and corrupt political establishment, we have people exploring the pertinent issues of our culture such as women wearing bikinis… 🙄.

[@jojol.2630]

Also, the way people talk about modesty sounds like it ONLY applies to people who aren’t ugly.

[@meowster_chief]

"men will sexualize you either way" SO TRUE!!! i live and breathe in skirts (not by my choice really but until i move out from my parents skirts are my thing lol) i wear knee length skirts/dresses everyday of my life, i never show my cleavage, i am still harassed and sexualized. my ass is always covered by non form fitting skirts, and i still have men comment on my ass. my cleavage is never shown, i still have men comment on my boobs. men don't care what you're wearing!!!

[@Nomez710]

"Will this cause my brother in Christ to stumble" "I don't give a fuck if he falls off a cliff" omfg Annamarie I love you

[@miss-megative2683]

“I don’t give a fuck if he falls off a cliff” absolutely killed me LMAO

[@arthrfleck]

My lesbian mom- who’s also called Anna- just got a lesbian flag fan at pride, and I keep whispering “well hello sinners” whenever she uses it. You’re a statement name in our household

[@Moey_idk]

I need these people to finally realize the only boys that are actually getting distracted by shoulders are people who have been so sheltered that everything seems new and distracting

[@sarahchicago]

Exactly!

[@drock9009]

Bingo that is why maybe explaining to young boys that it is ok for women to be dressed like that because they feel comfortable in that said outfit! If a guy respects a woman in a bikini he will respect the woman in a dress or sweats.

[@Hellhoundoffleash]

"I don't give a fuck if he falls off a cliff" 🤣🤣🤣 you crack me up girl

[@cephinisemodestin3348]

I like how Paul is arguing about women's modesty with his ENTIRE bicep out! If anyone should be perching about modesty, it should be the guy at 14:16 telling Paul to cover up those arms. Those sleeves are entirely to short!

[@Beetlebutterr]

Paul and Morgan seem like they HATE each other, in every video, and I love it

[@turboshazed7370]

I feel bad for Morgan.

[@HeyTinaaaa]

​@@turboshazed7370I don't.

[@drock9009]

I don't feel too bad for Morgan, but yeah it seems like she hates Paul and goes on the attack. Paul seems like the ringleader and Morgan just wants to be her old self, but Paul has to ring her back in. 😆

[@brandonkennedy4160]

@@turboshazed7370 it’s hard to feel bad when she’s just as mean and judgmental as he is, especially since in this day and age, there’s so much information out there. And even resources if she wanted to get out of that weird relationship.

[@drock9009]

@miaomiaochan yeah I see that! Yeah she definitely gives out some subliminal messages while doing their videos. Her body language, her tone, and what she says. Even Paul gets anxious and gets nervous on what Morgan might say. A lot of the time she rebels and might say something she knows Paul may not like.

[@BlazeNStar]

Not allowing double standards is the new vague

[@QUEERVEEART]

based comment

[@jayofarts]

So interesting thing about the "where's your heart at" logic: I've read experiences from AFAB folks who grew up in purity culture who went *harder* into an "I'm *going* to dress to seduce/control/etc men" mindset because that's what they were taught their bodies were for! Turns out that being, you know, chill and normal about clothing actually mitigates the so-called "problems" they're worried about

[@QUEERVEEART]

can 100% confirm

[@MulattoGirl]

I’m a Christian, and what I believe is that God made us the way it was intended; whether your trans or gay or bi, He loves us. Also I think that anyone should be able to dress however they want, as long as it’s not hurting anyone.

[@DeathnoteBB]

The one lady saying the bible says not to cause men to “stumble” funnily glosses over the “if you lust over a woman you should pluck your own eyes out” part

[@Imscaredofeverything]

I always love the jokes she makes with the timestamps. They're a lovely addition.

[@Karrott2cents]

I had no idea! 😮

[@yoobeepedmeinthebeep]

final thotz 😭😭😭😭

[@kaitlyyyn_23]

Where the f*ck is the conversation about “should men be modest” why is there such oppression on women?! And I’m not saying this as men have to dress a certain way either, everyone should feel empowered to dress how they wish. Honestly, props to the guy who was not being double standard-ish and asking Paul to define modesty and not letting pail hyper focus the conversation to speaking on women’s body’s and modesty.

[@Alyssa_M513]

I loved that first guy that Paul talked to who was like "every Christian should dress modestly, not just women" and Paul was basically like "I don't like what you're saying, you're wrong." 😳 I think part of the conversation that gets missed sometimes is how people with certain body types can be more likely to be labeled as "immodest." For example, I am tall (5' 10") and when I was a kid/teen, it was impossible to find shorts that fit the school dress code until bermuda shorts became popular. Everything is short on me. Also, as someone with big boobs, most tops show my cleavage. Even a turtleneck can look "immodest" if you have big boobs.

[@s.a.4358]

Definitely that about different body types. I’m also rather tall and knee length dresses are rarely knee length on me, so I do not wear them out of fear of showing my underwear. I have a friend whose 16 year old sister had a breast reduction because she felt so self conscious.

[@IamGrimalkin]

All Paul said was that he was being vague, and he's right. There are non-vague ways of saying it, like: "here are some issues with modesty for men, and here are some for women", or "here are some principles men and women should take into account when it comes to modesty". Of course it's possible he did say this and it was cut out of the video, but if the interaction was as presented he was right to call him vague. Of course, at the end of the video (not fully shown here) Paul & Morgan say that in their opinion, immodesty was much more of an issue with women than men and that was why they were focused on it. This is something I do disagree with. Especially since (as they correctly identify), the biblical understanding of modesty is far broader than self-sexualisation. They think that the self-sexualisation of women is the majority problem with modesty today, and for that reason I think they fail to understand the modern world.

[@the_goddess_1859]

​@@IamGrimalkin He wasn't vague in any way, shape,.or form. The question itself was disingenuous, biased, and meant to be leading people to certain answers: In his answer, he addressed that: "Hey, this is a disingenuous and hypocritical question, I refuse to give you the answer you want, and in FACT, I'm going to use what is present in your own scripture to remind you that you're a hypocrite." Because men have modesty standards as well. It's only seen as a vague non answer because it wasn't the specific answer/drama he wanted. The dude straight up ruined his lead and he was bitter about it.

[@IamGrimalkin]

@@the_goddess_1859 You aren't giving reasons why he's not being vague, you're giving reasons why, in your opinion, it's right for him to be vague. Which is fair enough, but in that case Paul's comment is also fair enough. It was vague, for good or for bad. Although personally I'm not fond of the vagueness. It's true the question is somewhat unbalanced in that it only focuses on one gender; but in my opinion the best way of answering that is to give specific advice for both genders. Although personally, my biggest issue is not the gender thing but the implication that showing off attractiveness is the main modesty problem in the modern world. I think the main issue with modesty in the modern world is the same as in the ancient world (showing off wealth). It's also much clearer and more straightforward to extract from the biblical data than the analogies they use. Therefore I'd say possibly the largest issue for women is home decorations and the largest issue for men is their car. And if we're focussing on clothing; the issue is designer and tailored clothing for both genders. That kind of answer is not something that Paul could call vague. I hope you see the difference.

[@chefwifey2513]

Ya know what this reminds me of? When someone gets sa'ed and they immediately go to "oh well what was she wearing? Was it revealing? Did she intice the man and lead him on?" like that's the mindset they probably have ngl

[@Pastelpurplecryptid]

I’m going to wear whatever I want

[@Cheesechompa]

Based

[@salamanda11]

Focusing ONLY on women being “modest” is the big problem for me. Props to the one guy that didn’t back down on saying modesty is for both men and women. I don’t agree about modesty being important, but at least he doesn’t have a double standard about it. Ask about men in speedos for crying out loud! Newsflash: straight women look at hot men too.

[@ZephyrHeartz]

Hey Annamarie I’ve gone down a rabbit hole of your videos and as a woman getting out of a toxic relationship with a man you have really cultured a safe space for me

[@Emu19]

I love you lots!! I hope you are safe and focusing on yourself! You are extremely important, and equally strong for making it out. Please be kind to yourself, because even though I don't know your specific situation, there may be changes and painful memories, so try to treat yourself with love as you grow and learn. I am absolutely rooting for you girl! ❤

[@AnnamarieForcino]

that means so much 🥹 thank you for being here, and i’ll always welcome you with open arms!!🫶🏻

[@Thatgenderconfused3mo]

I have to agree. Annamarie honestly reminds me so much of my best friend and it’s like I get an extra dose of them every time and I just feel so safe. Ik if I need any perspective or someone to word how I feel Annamarie will “have my back.” Meaning just the perfect words that I truly mean. Idk. I just want to also say Welcome! I’m so glad you’ve found a safe space! It’s an incredible feeling. I’m so sorry for what you’ve been through and I hope Annamarie can help with your healing while also learning more about yourself and how to advocate for YOU! You are amazing and wonderful and I hope you’re doing okay. Anyways welcome and I hope you had a good day🫶🏻

[@ZephyrHeartz]

@@AnnamarieForcino I’m so proud to call myself a sinner 🥹

[@ZephyrHeartz]

@@Emu19 thank you 🥹🥹🥹 I am in a better headspace now !!

[@annapatterson549]

The thing is my Mormon parents would call out practically all the women in this video for not being modest (including Morgan) because they’re wearing tank tops 💀💀THE SHOULDERS 😱😱

[@marymanic8958]

As would my Mormon family lol

[@xXMindSoulXx]

That’s funny, I hope you don’t have to live with them now. Hope you’re doing better nowadays :D

[@kstar1489]

I think the grandma’s attitude is disgusting, not women that dress how they want. It’s so disgusting how people shame women’s bodies as inherently shameful or even “disgusting”. Women are beautiful and their bodies are just that, bodies. Women’s bodies are not inherently sexual, shameful, or “disgusting”. Covered or uncovered, there is no inherent virtue or sin. Stop being weird, people.

[@Yourdailydoseofsarcasm]

Why does the second women that they interviewed sound like she's on the verge of crying? Wait I'd cry too if i was in a Paul and Morgan video.

[@smassiha7881]

That ‘gotcha’ look when his grandma spouts misogyny 😂 Like, sit down Paul, just because Nana agrees with your backwards a$$ doesn’t mean she’s correct.

[@kbeemer7813]

No cause she is from an older generation so anything she says is 100% the truth...

[@scarlettredding]

It's super interesting anytime Paul shares his family ... from a psychological view point ... really puts his personality and issues in perspective. You've got to be taught to hate and fear 💔

[@care4izzy]

​@@kbeemer7813 what

[@static_kitten]

@@care4izzyhats literally conservative ideology. Its called traditionalism and boils down to things were SOOO much better in the past why don't we never change or ideally "return to tradition" hence abortion rights being jeopardized and gay+interracial marriage laws being questioned in the US

[@care4izzy]

@@static_kitten fr

[@EmmyRae1885]

I used to be in a cult with modesty standards and I got harassed and catcalled more in my modest wardrobe than I ever have in a crop top and miniskirt

[@ddjsoyenby]

i grew up in evangelicalism and yeah it was extremely unhealthy.

[@depressedpotato2145]

Heres the thing abt that- men suxualize what they cant have. A tight fully covering shirt will make men more attracted to the person then the oversized belly showing low cut tank top

[@Ella35222]

Im atheist, I wear a modest swimsuit because I don’t like feeling basically naked in public. I’m happy to have that CHOICE and I fully support all of my sisters choose what makes them happy. If you wanna go to a topless beach? Hell yeah! I wish I had your confidence!

[@nicoles.3583]

Atheist here too! I also tend to dress modestly and I like to swear one piece swimsuits with shorts bc that's what I'm comfortable in. On the other hand my gf (also atheist) likes her bikinis and even in general likes short skirts/dresses bc she feels pretty in those outfits. We both have a choice of what we wear and we are both comfortable and happy this way. And imo that's how it should be!

[@didyouseethat9847]

I need a shirt that says: "His sexual temptations are not my responsibility" because I will DIE on that hill.

[@bradiedean7466]

I see your shirt and raise you: print it on the butt of a skimpy bikini set 😂

[@spencerfantastic]

Now bring up Muslim women wearing hijabs for modesty and watch how these people will magically change their tune to "that's the patriarchy, women should be allowed to wear whatever they want!"

[@msjkramey]

My grammy was also born in a "different time" and, sure, she had some different values but she always did her best to learn and grow, and she NEVER EVER fed into the modesty culture despite her age. She always told us to "flaunt what you got while you still have it" and to have fun while we're still young (within reason)

[@nola281]

There is an exhibit called what I was wearing. The amount of jeans and t-shirts, pajamas, and clothes for younger people is disgusting. Attacks are about power and control, not what you wear, where you were or what you were doing. Power and control.

[@allisonbarrett4938]

The baby dresses, military uniforms, nuns habit. That made me openly weep.

[@nola281]

@@allisonbarrett4938 it's not about you wear, it's about control. On the purity front and the attack front.

[@tessertheyoutuber1100]

I didn't know the don't make men stumble was a talking point, and as a clumsy ass person that's so stupid. Like, I literally fell a few weeks ago from not watching where I was walking and I didn't blame my friends for distracting me or the uneven pavement, I blamed myself for not looking at where I was stepping. But I guess the next time a fall I'll have to blame it on a hot guy/girl for distracting me.

[@RiRibutnotRihanna]

Wow, thats a great way to look at it, sad but good

[@greyisnthere]

y'all could very well be joking but I can't tell so just in case someone isn't familiar with the concept; they mean to "stumble" in your walk with the Lord (do something you're not supposed to within their brand of Christianity's rules), which in this context refers to lust. you don't want to cause your brother in christ to stumble (inspire lust in his heart), cuz lust is a sin. I don't believe in any of that btw I was just raised in it!

[@kaweenis]

theres something about pauls facial expressions when others are talking that really makes me feel like somethings off. it feels like that fake empathy you get out of an HR worker. makes me shudder

[@didxdrama]

As a European I can’t imagine what they will think about naked beaches 😂

[@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3]

or what they'd think about europe in general honestly

[@ida6950]

Or the fact that being topless for any gender at regular beaches and lakes is normal, at least where I live.

[@glutenfreesnark]

You made so many great comments, but the biggest own in this video is you having Lelo as a sponsor on a Paul and Morgan video. So great when youtubers do this to fundies 😂😂

[@charlotteelizabeth1239]

HAHAH YES

[@flatbread42]

I’m a christian who loves your content and I had a youth pastor give some amazing modesty ideas. First and most important: modesty is first and foremost a viewing principle. You must look at other people as beautiful creations made by God and modesty is first and foremost on the viewer of a person. Second does tie into something some people said in the video in that it’s about your heart. The difference is he used himself as an example. He talked about how he wears less covering clothes to the gym because it makes him sweat less and it’s more comfortable, but he doesn’t wear that to work or to get attention on his appearance. Finally, he said it has nothing to do with gender and what you wear does not separate you from your faith. I personally don’t really care what other people wear, and neither does he really, but I respect my old youth pastor a lot because of how nonjudgmental he is. Paul and Morgan and people like them really hold christianity back imo and it disappoints me as someone that likes being a christian.

[@whirligigwarbler]

thank you for this comment! it sounds like you have an amazing pastor. i really like this take on the topic of modety

[@Thatgenderconfused3mo]

I’m so glad you weren’t shamed in the way most do! This is also amazing advice for someone who does follow Christianity! Thank you for sharing this perspective 💛

[@sarahchicago]

I was taught similar to you, that it’s not really about the clothes themselves, but the heart. It was explained to me like: wearing a low-cut shirt is fine, trying to entice someone by pressing your breasts together is immodest. A guy wearing a muscle shirt is fine, but looking for reasons to keep flexing in front of your crush is immodest.

[@trashbaby9000]

17:02 Also, like a kid is not going to sexualize someone’s body. No child is sexualizing anyone. The over sexualization of women’s bodies is a learned behavior. Even in the Bible, humans didn’t feel the need to be ‘modest’ until they turned from god.

[@goldmanfan504]

Lmao this! We only have clothing because it was our way of evolving to live in different climates.

[@joleabeans]

Why did that one lady sound like she was gonna cry?? Or being forced to answer against her will:,))

[@catlover2223]

I’m sorry, but I have had more men stare when I was dressed modestly than when I’ve been at the beach in a bathing suit. Went out for lunch a few months ago in a crew-neck, knee-length dress. Everything covered. Was walking to a table after getting my drink and this guy in line was openly staring at my chest and grinning. At least at the beach or the pool, people seem to keep their eyes to themselves! Edit: I realize not all men are like this and most men are respectful. It just seems like the guys who cry the loudest about dressing modestly are the same ones staring when you do. Pick a lane, people!

[@MnM..0.0..l]

Men can’t control their urges. It’s our responsibility to not tempt them That’s what one of the girls I’m loose with told me the other day. We were at a pool party and talking about modesty. We are both Christian. I’m Christian and she’s CHRISTIAN. Like she believes everything anyone above her tells her and is like a recording device. She’s learned the only way to get validation is to agree and follow what her adults tell her. Anyways she goes “women can’t wear booty shorts and crop tops because they tempt men” I go “but men’s urges aren’t our responsibility. If a man feels something because I’m in a crop top and booty shorts it’s not my job to control his urges. It’s his job to control his urges and do something” She goes “yeah but men can’t control their urges. It’s our job to dress modestly so we don’t tempt them” I swam over to the other side of the pool for a minute while they continued talking. I was so done. I was about to go off about r-word, and SA and consent and all that. A man can’t control his level of attraction to someone. He CAN choose what he does with that. And if he thinks I’m hot it’s NOT my responsibility for what happens to him and what he does to me because of it. Harassment and all the other things aren’t different because the person was in a skirt vs sweatpants. I was SO MAD And she has two brothers. Yep, more guys being raised to think their choices aren’t their responsibility just because of how someone looks. Fuck that. Like I said earlier, she is super Christian and probably doesn’t even know what catcalling is or what that word means. That’s how sheltered she is. Her parents are why r culture is so big in the church. They teach men what they do isn’t their fault and that it’s the women’s. They are why victims blame themselves. Anyways we are teenagers and I hope she’s gonna turn out ok in the end. and if you read this please write a comment.

[@gajoratte]

I agree with you. It’s so victim blaming and really infuriatingly sad.

[@ddjsoyenby]

as an amab we can just these weirdos can't and yes it isn't woman's responsibility to handle it's on them to not be creepers.

[@electronics-girl]

@@ddjsoyenby Yes. As an AMAB, I've had plenty of urges, but I've never had any trouble controlling them. Anyone who can't just isn't trying.

[@cougaray3166]

They love to argue that they can't control themselves, my response is "if men are so primal and emotionally unintelligent, why are they allowed to be in positions of power? Why are they allowed to have certain jobs? I agree we should make sure men are limited in jobs holding power, because they cannot control themselves and it's only a matter of time before their primal urges take over." They usually shut up. You can't have your cake and eat it too :>

[@dowitcher]

Jesus himself said that if the way a woman dresses causes a man to have impure thoughts, he should pluck out his own eyes, and if the sight of her body makes him want to sin, he should cut off his hand to keep himself from acting on that urge. But the church will never teach that verse in the Sunday sermons, because it would unravel their whole facade. As someone who was raised in the church, it’s helpful to remember that a lot of the “Christians” going around thumping the Bible nowadays are conveniently leaving out the parts where God condemns their behavior (including the Bible thumping, there’s a whole passage on not shoving the word of God down the throats of those who don’t want to hear it and letting your kindness be your sermon instead).

[@dipolarpencil69]

why does the second woman interviewed sound so scared? Is Paul pointing a gun at her behind the camera?? Girl blink twice if you need help.

[@salamzander]

I believe they have a very unfair power dynamic

[@sunnypowers]

She sounds like she is about to start crying

[@techne360]

As someone who is like... chronically overheating, please just let us be comfortable. I'm not getting heat stroke because people are upset they can kinda almost see my butt.

[@sentientplant9658]

Same and I also gave legs so literally any shorts I wear ride up and I'm just walking around sweating from both heat and anxiety because I can FEEL the eyes on me.

[@Ananieles]

We stan the dude that was all about holding both men and women should have standards. But also, let everyone dress however TF they want. XD

[@the_goddess_1859]

I think he was trying to politely address the hypocrisy, which I think he did beautifully

[@dangerousnoodle6585]

I guarantee if Morgan or grandma was told they have to wear hair coverings or they are being immodest, they would freak out and be angry.