Payday 3 Rev...Rant! - The state of gaming now is sad, very sad.

[@WorthABuyreviews]

To all the apologists out there...get some damn standards.

[@compostsmurf5519]

I've seen ppl saying it's okay because it's free on gamepass day one...

[@superplayerex2431]

Based. Never give up your standards.

[@Atari5732]

I've noticed this trend for online games. BF2042, which has a built in server browser for custom games, doesn't have one for their official EA servers. I think they are going cheap on the servers and that's why you have to go through this matchmaking, etc. It's just a theory so far, but when a game hides their online servers and forces an automatic "matchmaking", I think they are really just working the server system so that less servers are in use, thus saving them some money on servers.

[@ivanmedina6071]

Sold my ps5 about a month after getting it, strictly retro now. Dont have to deal with any of the bs, i might buy a ps2 game that might cost 60 to 80 dollars due to its rarity but at least its complete, playable and has a physical game manuel....yeah there is no reason to play modern consoles in my opinion

[@brokengames9020]

Payday numero 3 for scammers(developers & publishers).

[@sihledotcom]

Ironic how a game about robbing ends up robbing you

[@dominic5588]

A true roleplaying game.

[@JustSomeGuy1000]

Lmao finally people are catching on.

[@tonybabs8688]

Solid take that I’m surprised I don’t see more of.

[@mr.kwamid-86_43]

i dont think that is ironic, dawg lol xD

[@captain6545]

The gameplay is literally great, the only problems are the servers

[@IJFJJAJI]

I think the peak of online gaming was in the early 2000s when every game had a server browser, console commands, LAN/local play and there was no predatory monetisation

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

Online gaming in 2000's is you connect the internet only and only if you want to play multiplayer. Otherwise you can be offline all you want. No account, no log ins, no updates.

[@Spitfire200]

LMAO. The 2000s is when this all started! Half-Life 2 was the first game that had the single use code that had to be registered to an online service (Steam. Yes, GabeN started this). Battlefield 2142 required internet activation and accounts in order to even use even though it still had offline bots and was essentially Battlefield 2 (which didn’t have online activation requirements) with different content and rule changes. Games for Windows Live ring a bell? PC games in the second half of the 2000s were in jeopardy from the majority of games (particularly big budget titles) adopting Steam (or any other online requirement scheme) activation requirements. Come 2010-2013, nearly ALL PC games required Digital Distribution. (Yes, even the first PC release of Skyrim) What’s funny is, NOBODY MADE A FUSS ABOUT IT, even though PC Gaming OGs were the ones who exercised their ability to do *whatever* they wanted with what was on their discs the most. And all this happened overnight compared to how long it’s taken for consoles to get rid of physical game discs, it’ll probably be around 20 years of gradual decline compared to the ~5 or so when the Dig Dist adoption REALLY ramped up and made the resale value of many PC games worthless, and console people have actually complained on numerous occasions in spite of the increasing number of shills trying to tell people otherwise or alternatively defend Steam even though they helped destroy classic PC Gaming.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

@@Spitfire200 You actually made excellent points there. Well atleast you got the whole game back then? Something has to be different surely.

[@IJFJJAJI]

​@@Spitfire200 you are right, but i wasn't really thinking about the digital vs physical media side of things. more so about the fact that most games nowadays lack the features that pc should always have which are what makes pc gaming great in the first place, since many devs gear their games toward the console market. take this game for example, the ui is horrible and clearly looks like it was designed for console users, that along with the fact that a multiplayer co-op game doesn't even have a server browser.

[@Evilestkhan]

those where the days...

[@presidentcovfefe]

You don’t own the game if you need accounts and internet to play it. If they don’t want you to play the game anymore you can be locked out in an instant. You will own nothing and be happy.

[@stabojert]

Devs should eat ze bugz

[@knoxklay11]

So true! SAD.

[@FatSack0fCrap]

I have Gamepass for a few more days and my buddy wanted to play Payday 3, so I installed it, excited to play it without having to pay full price. The moment I saw the account creation screen I wanted to quit and uninstall immediately. I'm absolutely sick and tired of making accounts for EVERYTHING these days. Can I just fucking install and play?! I hate the state of using software these days.

[@taserrr]

Sorry to burst your bubble mate but you don't own a single game on steam. You have purchased a license to play it but any steam game can kick you out after some time, take the servers offline and there's nothing you can do about it.

[@unstableordinance]

@@taserrr Many games on steam are DRM free and can be played by running the executable. Each game is different and can be treated as such.

[@DoktorVicTim]

Finally, someone with a spine, standards and integrity. I'm disgusted how many Payday KZbinrs are just blindly praising this game and ignoring the many elephants in the room. But let's wait and see when the MTX drops.

[@MadassSoerensen]

Well they tried in payday 2 with lootboxes, thank fully it backlashed, however if they tried just adding mtx now i think people would actually defend it 😢

[@DannyGraves1775]

I saw someone on the Payday 3 forum joke about Overkill selling shortcuts to the excessive grind of the game... The sad part is, with this studio I'm inclined to believe it might actually happen.

[@TheDevilmayfart]

Yeah I lost respect for the Act Man

[@raskolnikov6443]

@@TheDevilmayfartscrew that guy. He’s such a hack…

[@DoktorVicTim]

@@MadassSoerensen I remember CF2015. Holy hell that was one hell of a meltdown to the point the moderators went on strike. And mind you, that was all Overkill's idea. People are trying to deflect it towards 505 Games but Overkill themselves confirmed that it was their idea. I'm sure that's why Goldfarb left.

[@edmundblackaddercoc8522]

State of the world Mack, not just in gaming.

[@251TheMechanizedSingfantry]

No reason to accept it though

[@Shadowx011]

@@251TheMechanizedSingfantryexactly…yes exactly. I just ignore as much of the bad things around me as best as I can…I I must say I love this life. …one form of ignoring is not playing bad games. I have not tried Payday 3 yet so I will not say anything about it yet.

[@Faygo551]

We need to start calling out these Paid Reviewers such as The Act Man and Jack Frags

[@stephendiggines9122]

People have confused words with understanding and can't think anymore

[@Shadowx011]

@@stephendiggines9122 in short…the developers pay them to review the game and say it is great whether the reviewer likes the game or not.

[@Cronus_1]

You hit the nail on the head about online single player games. I've been ranting about that for years.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

Last game I bought that forced online on me was gta 5. After enduring that crap updates, log ins for months I realized I can't stand this shit. If a game forced internet on me I won't buy it! Simple as that! I refuse it! Why people don't see the danger of this is beyond me. They won't be able to play the game they bought after some years yet they can't see this. Are they blind?

[@magnushansen6063]

​@@IskenderCaglarM41B441yes.. yes they are.. makes me both sad, sick and angry at the same time to know that people will still argue for the opposite and back the publishers and greedy studios

[@J0derVIVIVI]

@@IskenderCaglarM41B441 Wait! GTA V requires always online? Well whatever i played the "caribbean" version of it years ego.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

@@J0derVIVIVI Yep it does. Technically you can open it few times without internet after logging in, but after some time it asks you to connect internet. And then force these online updates your throat even if you don't play online!

[@Cronus_1]

@Josh_728 100%. It's consumers in general. Everyone just jumps on a hype train, whether it's good or bad. People are just buying garbage. It's why the quality keeps going down and the price keeps going up.

[@eliasl332]

I spoke up and I got banned on BigfryTV’s channel. Mack, I’m so happy to find you, you opened my eyes a lot of years ago.

[@raskolnikov6443]

Tbf Bigfry didn’t review the game. He played the game before release (without server issues) and released sponsored content (that’s not in any way hidden). I doubt he knew how screwed up the game would be at launch. He made a video about it explaining the disaster. I just don’t even watch his sponsored content because I hate it. Apart from that the guy is usually honest and he didn’t hold back about this games issue either. I am curious about the small indie game he’s currently developing.

[@Hunter_6601]

I gotta ask, what did you say exactly? ain’t no way you simply spoke up ;)

[@eliasl332]

@@raskolnikov6443 From what I remember he only said that there are server issues. He did hold up, but he doesn't hold up when he has to do with those bad indi games. Soon I will copy paste my comment from there.

[@eliasl332]

@@Hunter_6601 This is what I said: "Talking about trust, 21Kiloton has a interesting video on it. Basically if they pay your or give you stuff for free you will try to keep a good relationship with them so you can get more contracts in the future and build a cooperative name in the industry. That means that you can’t talk about those games in the same way you talk about the bad indi games. In my opinion and knowledge 21Kiloton and Worth a Buy are the only two honest guys in the industry."

[@J0derVIVIVI]

Another shill/payola taker to avoid, thank you for letting me know.

[@papascrumpeeh]

A game bound to the internet is a game u don't own no mater how much u pay , they can fk right off

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

Many new games does this, where were you then? I think doom 2016 and eternal does this, recent resident evil games does this, new ac games does this. Did you say anything about them too?

[@K1mmo]

Well technically you don't own any of the games on your steam library.

[@WolfStory]

@@IskenderCaglarM41B441 Maybe they did. What's your point?

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

@@WolfStory Don't ignore others and don't focus on just one thing.

[@IamMortui]

​@@IskenderCaglarM41B441Other games do it therefore it's justifiable? What a dumb comment.

[@VRGamingTherapy]

A bold move to keep you waiting around so that it eats up your playtime & hence, keeping you from refunding it.

[@rsho3472]

People have refund it with 16 hours of play time, give a valid reason and you will get a refund

[@ItsBoyRed]

The under 2 hour mark is just a "no questions asked" point. Its usually no issue getting a refund after that, i have done it a few times. If you have a valid reason and state that the 2 hours are not gametime but faultfinding or anything else BUT gameplay they will most likely refund you. Just dont abuse any of steams refund policies, i bet its a huge headache on their end dealing with all of this. And if they feel you are abusing it they just simply remove your power to refund.

[@dollface2907]

the one thing that seemed to be missing is you can report the game being faulty on steam so you can refund it, i believe there is a small time window for small games

[@KyoujinAnei]

@@ItsBoyRed I've had a Steam account for over 10 years and I've only asked for refunds maybe 5 times? I have over the 2 hour mark because of the matchmaking issues. I spoke with multiple different reps and very clearly, and nicely, stated that I could not play the game due to server issues with the servers being down for 4 days. Was rejected every time.

[@ItsBoyRed]

@@KyoujinAnei Well that sucks : / I got a refund for Battlebit after the entire anti-cheat thing, where they might remove compatibility with my OS in the future (Linux). and that was after 2 hours of play time.

[@markking5605]

always give it to us straight. thats why everyone comes for your opinion

[@goat0451]

So glad I can count on you Mack! Unlike those "reviewers" who got to play early and were totally not paid. 🙄🙄

[@Ninja40K]

"Bootlickers"

[@MorrisseyMuse]

Not seen a single glowing review of this yet. Mack just going on a weird projection rant there lol

[@tilburg8683]

​@@MorrisseyMuseI've mainly seen positive reviews about this game tbh. And I think I hate it a little less after playing it for a few hours on gamepass, but it ain't great it's just so dull and boring.

[@SEMARPE]

Steam & Metacritic scores are in the gutter..

[@PostersGamingg]

@@MorrisseyMusewdym, an overwhelming amount of content creators are giving this game amazing reviews when it didn’t deserve it

[@kiwifan6002]

No wonder there was little to no advertising for this game... it kinda just came out, like they knew there was a shitshow to come

[@wrath231]

Well said .

[@mario50000]

I really doubt that they knew their matchmaking was garbage

[@veronicasmith2909]

they has the launch in a bank dressed ass the heisters hanfing out duffelbags of fake money to visitors lol it was wild af but yeah they are kind of shady but i guess thats business as usual in a thives life ya know the sayin no honor among thieves.

[@fenixo7443]

@@mario50000 Server problems were only for 2 days after release. yesterday and today it works flawlessly.

[@okzyzz]

@@mario50000The “stress test” only had a few thousand players, the servers were built to that standard. On release hundreds of thousands of people were trying to play across all platforms.

[@Plague_Doc22]

This is my personal choice for game of the year. I've been sitting in the main menu and thoroughly enjoying the main menu music for hours now. When I get bored I just move the cursor around and pretend i'm painting. Havent yet seen gameplay with my own eyes but surely with a main menu this incredible it cant be any worse.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

Gameplay is friends we made along the way

[@flankspeed007]

"Main Menu of the Year" The Gamers Choice awards will add that as a new category and claim it's ground breaking and innovative.

[@chillhour6155]

But when that Nebula pops up though

[@Plague_Doc22]

@@flankspeed007 As long as I get to present it i'm cool with it.

[@swaggadash9017]

I actually hate the main menu music and the soundtrack is mid. Everyone is praising the soundtrack and I don't see it.

[@bobaktxl06]

Honestly, I'm so happy you're honest and haven't changed that in any of the years I've been watching. I haven't watched your content for a little bit, and I was worried that I hear you say that the game itself is bad without being able to play it much. I should have known better.

[@Pinboard379]

Love the honesty in your vids, it’s few and far between in these times…

[@FrozeBone]

Been looking forward to this one... Well the review that is..

[@The63adrian]

I'm baffled that so many people have forgot that this is the same company that in the first game nerfed the old guns and tried to sell cosmetic item (like spray and attachments) which upgraded the guns stat, and handling, so that you could use the gun like in the old days. I played a lot with the first payday, but after that I swore that I will not tuch anything from this company, even if payday 2 would be the best game. You need to draw the line at some point. Thanks for the video about the state of this game.

[@jrny76]

@@sei_asagiri your wrong, starbreeze is making bank on this no matter how bad the game is. case in point: cyberpunk 2077

[@swaggadash9017]

​​@@jrny76You're comparing this to one of the biggest games in history. Half the people playing will be doing so free on gamepass = no money. A quarter of those left would have bought it on steam and refunded it = no money. Finally the PS5 players that are the only ones to actually get shafted will just delete the game and never play it again 🤷‍♂️😂

[@Amplar2]

data collection works like this: -your data is collected, purchase history, things you look at, etc. -this info is aggregated for purchase by large corporations. -Corp uses this info to create products, and throttle production up/down based on market consumption to not waste money in overproduction. It is also used to target ads at people and *similar* people based on their digital footprint. It is genius and horrible.

[@acetown2263]

That really doesn't sound that bad tbh

[@MarkVrem]

I think the throttle up and down production part needs to be replaced. More like, like a Casino figure out how to use psychology to manipulate you to separate you from your money, family etc.

[@drummingtildeath]

Fair enough if people don't like it but it doesn't bother me in the slightest

[@anthimatter]

Ugh

[@WorthABuyreviews]

You forgot the bit about emails, phone numbers, post codes all being sold to dodgy businesses which happens all the time, this is why people get scammed a lot.

[@cragzuk]

Who remembers the old gaming dev motto "By the gamer, for the gamer". Now its 100% "By the companies, for the mulah"

[@igorthelight]

Indies still make games "By the gamer, for the gamer" ;-)

[@LilGuyG_]

Payday Vet here and Partner for Starbreeze. I love your content Mack, have been watching you for years I just wanted to make this comment to say how frustrating and upsetting this launch has been for me personally. Payday has been a huge part of my life for the past 10 years or so. And to see the state the game is in at launch is heartbreaking, because at its core, the game itself when you can play the damn thing, is awesome! It’s so good! There’s so much love and passion that has gone into this. However the higher ups & other third party publishers who have pushed this game to be only only (despite everyone in the gaming space telling them that it would end badly) didn’t listen to us and completely ignored us and went through with it anyway. The only way this game can come back from this is a very simple feature, it’s crazy but listen to this… OFFLINE MODE. Not only will this take pressure of the servers, but if there was another inevitable server outage, at least we can still play the game that we paid for whilst we waited for the servers to be back online. Keep up the great content mate. And I really hope that they can come back from this. Because all of the online only stuff aside. The game itself is fantastic.

[@swaggadash9017]

That and reasonably priced dlc and more free content. This game has already lost half its players that will likely never return.

[@TheRealCommonSenseGuy]

Imagine explaining to people back in 2000-2005 that you would have to queue in a lobby to play a SINGLE player game. Truly a clown world.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

You shouldn't accepted "forced online" requirement. What you said? "hu dazınt hev internet novedeys?" and here we are! Dlc's horse armour: "cast a armor" anddd where are we? Yes...exactly...look in the mirror and be ashamed of yourself for allowing this!

[@MaxRager80]

Pathetic isn't it.

[@TheRealCommonSenseGuy]

@@IskenderCaglarM41B441 i didn’t accept crap there bud. Back in 2006 I told people the horse armour was a slippery slope and people laughed at me. I was right all along.

[@TheRealCommonSenseGuy]

@@IskenderCaglarM41B441 bot.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

​@@TheRealCommonSenseGuy Then I salute you! I wasn't big gamer back in 2006(I didn't even have my own computer)so sorry for not being there. I respect and appreciate you for trying but I guess you were just talking to a wall.

[@xXEchoXxAssault]

I installed the game on Game Pass, saw I had to create an account then immediately uninstalled it 😂 Glad to see I'm not missing much

[@googlegoogle9712]

The developers had me banned from the community and from Steam because I made a post months ago telling people not to buy this garbage because firstly it looks exactly like Payday2 and nothing new about it.

[@vadimyakus]

90% of modern games simply repeat mistakes of Hollywood industry: they are aiming for your wallets and not for your hearts. They suck!

[@1_Man_Media]

This is a real shame for me. I was a big fan of payday 2 and been looking forward to payday 3 for a while. However, due to these issues I have decided to hold off on purchase. I just hope they get there shit together in the future, and I can then consider supporting. Especially since I enjoy solo / stealth heists, I surely do not want to wait for a lobby when I am alone. It is a real shame.

[@noahabbey9796]

Is the Armored Core 6 review going to come out this week?

[@BigB70]

He's avoiding it because fast mechs aren't 'really mechs...but this trash gets a spin go figure

[@Evilestkhan]

Mac I've said this and groaned about 'On line' years ago when you went into shop to get a game it would have it on the box 'online service required' not now or it's in the small print, what happens if your internet goes down for the night/weekend screwed. keep up the good reviews.

[@Tameem3000]

"were the bots out shopping?" LMAO

[@tyreekjones5668]

😁😁

[@rodosteele9221]

Me and some mates dug out the Dreamcast recently and had an absolute blast on Power Stone 2. No nonsense fun doesn't have to be a thing of the past.

[@igorthelight]

"No nonsense fun doesn't have to be a thing of the past." - agree! But today there are still great games! Mostly - not AAA games ;-)

[@ljiljankocurcic8893]

Feel your pain Mack! :(

[@jameswayton2340]

At this point i only need 1. The name of the game. And 2. A few seconds of gameplay. And i can only feel how a game is going to be average at best, or shit.

[@kubabooba548]

I feel about the same. I watched the Starfield leak and figured I'd wait for a sale. After watching the early access gameplay, I figured I wouldn't buy it at all. lol.

[@MorrisseyMuse]

Yeah, this is why kids that cry about having to complete a game to be able to review it are talking nonsense

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

@@kubabooba548 Really doesn't worth it. No bethesda game is actually.

[@raskolnikov6443]

@@IskenderCaglarM41B441really? I have had a great time with oblivion and Skyrim. Great games for their time.

[@J0derVIVIVI]

@@MorrisseyMuse I have this conversation with friends, they are of the wait and see as well as you haven't play it lots. If your "job" is to play games or if you just play a lot, it is imposible to NOT realized what you like and have the experience to spot the stuff that is just garbage.

[@koffe1298]

I installed the game through gamepass and where excited to play it as i was pretty fond of Payday 2. Got to the start screen and saw sign up for a new account and no skip button, closed it and uninstalled and will probably never even give it a chance. Going to play hunt showdown once again 😂

[@andrewwilkins7823]

Same here

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

You did the right thing. Sign up, download this, download that f right off!

[@DurzoBlunts]

EvE online has a fps hunt like game coming out

[@Engineer_Eric_59]

Well said sir. Hopefully they fix all these issues. I went back to Payday 2.

[@konradcurzethereturnedandv2845]

Too many people alive now. Publishers have the perfect “sea of idiots” that they can always fish from to support their terrible games and anti-consumer practices no matter what.

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

I mean, this game has 17,000 negative reviews on Steam and a user review score of 2/10 on Metacritic. It's only the bought and paid games "journalists" who have been giving it 8/10s, and that's always been a thing.

[@Sophistry0001]

I think its because of the inflation our leaders have created. Games in 1995 were 60 dollars, which is equivalent to 120 dollars today. The price tag on games hasn't gone up the way everything else has, so games are being forced to supplement their income by other means. We are just not starting to see 70 dollar games but that's still well below what it was 30 years ago.

[@tilburg8683]

​​@@Sophistry0001I'd like to say you are right, but most games are 120 euros if not more now a days. Prices have definitely gone up if not surpassed it. The crew 1 is 150 euros buying everything no discount. Fh5 is also at about 120 euros maybe a little more if you buy everything no discount. Atleast in my area all game are similar to that. I guess nfs unbound is a bit cheaper but it's like never gone out of the early alpha testing like many other games do. They're all incomplete and massively lack content and fun gameplay. Like payday 3 is so boring if you just play it. If you do other stuff while playing it, it gives 0 enjoyment and only the other thing gives you enjoyment.

[@Ray__E]

Well said. It's like the people who complain about Madden and NBA 2K every year but still rush out and buy the newest version. These companies have so many gamers bent over a barrel

[@AR-ey1ur]

There is a flip side to that. 1) There have already been more great games released to date than you could possibly play in two lifetimes. You really don't have to play, let alone pre-order, the most current AAA games; 2) Piracy. Play what you want, pay for what you want.

[@Tatertot01]

On Steam at least most gamers are not accepting this garbage. It's at Mixed reviews and currently is 1% away from hitting 39% positive to being labeled Mostly Negative. I think that's a good sign of where the game is at.

[@AFatalPapercut]

this exact same thing happened with Wayfinders a couple weeks ago...the disconnect between publishers/devs and the community at large is starting to get so immense. These mfs only had enough server space for 5-10k people at launch...for an online only game and have been absolutely struggling to keep the game up ever since.

[@KazLezar]

Misconception, you must have been a discord warrior. People were using steam charts to come up with that number not taking into account the crossplay aspect of it. There were thousands more playing on consoles, PC is not the complete standard of player ase in a crossplay game. Yes it was a terrible launch, no question there, but let's be accurate with our frustrations. ;P

[@douglasduda9826]

@@KazLezarWell, I think its time for some people to do something about it. Besides give a negative review. How can they sell a product without enough support in this case slots for people to play an online only game. That is like selling extra seats to a sold out show...

[@TrivialTax]

I was on gamescon, playing Wayfinders and they had issues there. At the demo, lol :D

[@PsychoRavager]

Crime Boss: Rockay City actually has better bots than Payday 3... that says something with how low standards have become with games, especially for singleplayer components. Oh, and, last I checked, all modes are playable online in the former.

[@Icem4n84]

I've only bought RE4 this year and I liked it. But I have to say I'm pretty much done with games now. It has to be amazing for me to want it now.

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

Depends what games you're into. Shadows of Doubt is amazing if you're into imsims, Sea of Stars is amazing if you're into JRPGs, BGIII is amazing if you're into D&D, Dr Fetus' Mean Meat Machine is amazing if you're into puzzle games. I can go on lol.

[@Mr.Corinthians]

The only new game I bought this year was _Bomb Rush Cyberfunk_ . I highly suggest it if you liked _Jet Grind Radio_ or _Jet Set Radio Future_ .

[@tilburg8683]

​@@GangsterFrankensteinComputermeanwhile I'm into racing games and the last good stuff we got was all around 2013. With most of it being from the 80s-early to mid 2000s.

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

@@tilburg8683 I really liked DiRT 2. I only do VR racing games though so I didn't really get into any besides Revolt and Wipeout in the olden days.

[@SurvivalGames1]

@@tilburg8683 whats wrong with Asetto Corsa ? i think it is good but never played racing sims before

[@budthecyborg4575]

Love the rant. Games preservation is important to everyone, games that are tied to servers will inevitably be shut down, that means you're pretty much guaranteed every "always online" game will be removed from your library someday. The long game for these companies is every game gets deleted every 3-4 years and you have to pay continually to play anything.

[@illgottengains1314]

Just don’t buy new games. Wait 6 months every time

[@alpsalish]

This what I do. No need to buy new.

[@wingsofunlimitedpepsi6817]

pretty much.

[@willemdafuck]

@@wingsofunlimitedpepsi6817 I can't take this shit no more man

[@kdis20]

so glad i waited to see a review instead of preordering.

[@n8k8s]

The state of gaming has been "sad" since 2008, when Activision and Blizzard merged. Since then, institutional money has had their tentacles in every "aaa gaming studio". And therein lies the core issue, games have become a commodity, no longer a labor of love for entertainment. I always bring up Roller Coaster Tycoon, a game coded by 1 man, Chris Sawyer, in a difficult coding language of Assembly (he had another guy help with the art/sprites) - and yet it is a gem that stands the test of time, you can play it today and be totally immersed. You don't need big budget, big graphics, etc, to make a good game. At the end of the day, real gamers will know if it was a labor of love or not...

[@WyMustIGo]

No, the state of gaming has been sad for decades because there are no good Millennial or Genx developers. Young folks are very weak and ignorant. They also lack skills.

[@Ceabrus74]

What are you talking about? There are more exciting and engaging games than ever before, you just have to buy indie. The fault lies almost entirely with publishers and developer managers. The talent is out there, they're just not in AAA

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

Implying huge corporations weren't shovelling out shit games before 2008. There are now thousands of great games, like RCT1, coded by small teams, with small budgets that are labours of love. Just this year small teams have loving made games like: Dave the Diver, Sprawl, Sea of Stars, Humanity, Darkest Dungeon II, Dredge, Dr Fetus' Mean Meat Machine, Seedlings, Wetory, Shadows of Doubt...oh and BattleBit Remastered!

[@WyMustIGo]

@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer like mack said, most young people are very stupid.

[@WyMustIGo]

@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer You are very stupid if you believe that. Then again, most people born after 1990 are very ignorant and weak.

[@Slippin]

Damn, was looking forward to this

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

Why? From the gameplay it just looked exactly like payday 2. No real improvements, same feeling, similar gameplay.

[@Slippin]

@@IskenderCaglarM41B441 Didn't really look at the gameplay or any trailers. I just knew Payday 3 was coming out and was loosely hyped as I enjoyed 2

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

@@Slippin sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh You people tire me...

[@SiigmaGunnerOfficial]

@@Slippin in this day and age you have to do a bunch of research to find out if they're not manipulating you, or taking your data, or releasing something half-assed, or will implement a bunch of predatory microtransactions and DLC. There are so many ways they can screw you over. But that's too much effort, we have to consume product and then get excited for next product right?

[@Slippin]

@@SiigmaGunnerOfficial This is the first and only bit of research I've done on the game. I enjoyed Payday 2, heard 3 was coming out. Thought "Cool, I'll wait till it releases then I'll watch a WAB vid on it because he's always very objective and trustworthy with games". So here we are, I've watched the vid and as expected, I've concluded from this vid alone that I'm not going to buy it. If that's consuming a product and then getting excited for the next product I'm not really sure what to tell you

[@chattyman4740]

I miss the days of buying games, modern gaming sat on these massive online servers, you are buying access to a game, very different. Also they are selling all the data, "personalisation" is the real payday - for the developers, backdooring the IDs, phone numbers & emails to offshore data companies than can breach GDPR laws.

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

I haven't bought any games in the last 5 years that require me to be always online.

[@BryceDocherty]

I seriously love your rants lol. The bell never gets old. Me and my friend were talking about how bad we feel for kids growing up. Gaming sucks now. It's all consumerism. No art in it anymore.

[@swaggadash9017]

You still get the odd gem and company like fromsoft but it's pretty much dead. The gaming industry has turned into what happened in the music industry.

[@KairuinKorea]

I love this pure unbridled rage. Sad such a long awaited game was pants though

[@2BachShakur]

Is it me or does this look exactly like the first one? Like what is the difference between the two to justify the purchase? Seems like a complete waste of money.

[@nicksmith534]

That rant was pure poetry 😂

[@GeordiLaForgery]

This is the future. You will own nothing. Putting butter on your bread will be a luxury.

[@ggzii]

Only YT reviewer I like because he doesnt shill

[@jakedizzle]

Fleekazoid is good too.

[@xZippy]

The Outlast Trials does this. I got kicked out of my own game for "being idle" when I had to answer the door.

[@Darth_Quackerss]

People defending bad games is definitely a reason for the gaming industry just giving us medeocre games. So many people are defending starfield even though it's garbage. Only indie games give me hope these days

[@Kirbizard]

GOD, listening to your rant was so cathartic. As soon as they announced it was online only, even for single player, the game went right off my MUST BUY list as someone with a few hundred hours in Payday 2, to a wait and see what happens, because I knew it was going to turn out badly. There was no reason for them to force always online for a game like this. It was the worst possible decision I think I've ever seen a game make.

[@RobVespa]

Look into the company. Something happened to Overkill Software after Payday 2 released. Sometimes it just takes a single person leaving to bring a team down. It's happened time and time again with other houses. It's disheartening and somewhat amazing that such poor design that no one would think possible, especially in a high profile release, such as matchmaking bots - or, say, option menus not working - and still not working after five months (hello, Jedi Survivor). Ah, there it is. Whoa. Okay. Everyone left. One of the founders, Ulf Andersson, left after Payday 2. He was the creative director (which may mean nothing, although he formed another company that's working on GTFO). Bo Andersson was fired and later investigated for being shady, which this company has a history of. Then lead designer David Goldfarb then left (who actually led and directed Payday 2 and is most well known for Battlefield: Bad Company 2). Then their in-house composer, Simon Viklund, also left. So...

[@DannyGraves1775]

You got the timeline messed up... Goldfarb (the actual creative director) left first (due to creative differences with Bo, who kept listening to a rather toxic group of clans/fanboys). Then Ulf left (due to a Burnout and "creative differences" with Bo (who's Ulf's brother), though mostly out of opposition to the Microtransactions that were coming). Weeks after that, Simon Viklund followed Ulf on the Exodus from Overkill to start 10Chambers. At this point, development of Payday 2 was still ongoing, until 2018 came around... In 2018, after the cessation of production on Payday 2 and the release of Overkill's The Walking Dead (and it's subsequent failure), Bo got investigated for Insider Trading (and cleared, because Overkill's financeers were deemed responsible for the financial issues that led to the trading problems) and subsequently fired from his position as CEO for running the company into the ground. Even funnier : this all happened before. Look up GRIN studios, also run by Bo and Ulf (with Simon Viklund often collaborating on Music), ALSO run into the ground by Bo.

[@SpartanOfLuxon]

If they make a game that is always connected to the internet then it needs to be free to play because the day WILL come where it gets taken down and by that merit they are taking away something you paid for.

[@Nate-69y]

Another great rant like usual. They don't make games like they used to unfortunately.

[@MorrisseyMuse]

The part about people being spineless or whatever was ACG levels of filler though lol

[@wrmusic8736]

they do. Just very few of those. And it makes me happy when Starfield barely sells a million on PC, whereas BG3 sells over 20 mil on Steam alone.

[@grum7140]

Was excited to play, but waited because new launches are typically rough. Glad I waited, probably will pick it up in several months once things are cleaned up

[@adam7802]

The lack of single player is glaringly apparent when the servers are dead the day you try to play it. And honestly it's really put me off the game big time.

[@nfc14g]

It's worse that this is the third game in a series. They should know how to make games by now. The division 3 is going to be the same

[@kendralhunt4296]

It's really sad that game developers don't pay close attention to game mechanics to how this works, studying gamification seems like a chore nowadays to the point they just don't care. Thank God we got baldur gates 3 love that game baldur gates 3 deserves game of the year imo that's my new favorite RPG been playing it every since I pre-ordered for my PS5. Hands down best game ever made a long with red dead 2.

[@alphatucanaletsplay]

Yeah, but avoid the pre-ordering please: it encourages the bad companies.

[@troy5370]

Go play Starfield on your crap PS5. O yea, you can't play it, never mind. Shameless XBOX plug here to counter. Try not advertising bot

[@adam7802]

I doubt no singleplayer was a dev decision. Apparently there are menus for solo mode actually in the game files.

[@rustyshackleford1875]

@@troy5370 Mate try playing Starfield on anything 😂 It’s wank. Fucking RTX gaming pc just handling 60fps and it’s basically downgraded Oblivion. Yeah tried it on gamepass and uninstalled after 6 hours.

[@WILLINGLYWILD]

@@troy5370you could say the same about countless ps exclusives that don’t even come out on pc, Xbots really relying on starfield to carry Xbox’s last few years of nothingness

[@TowMater603]

Man i love this channel. Mack , you're a Legend.

[@FreeFragUK]

Starbreeze got so much right with payday 1 and 2 that it's a shame to see how much they've screwed up with 3

[@Momoka7]

There is only one thing I hate... and that is nonsensical people and people defending things that make no sense. Defending "always online" makes no sense. It only makes sense if the developer wants to make sure only people that actually paid for them, can use cash shop items. But a game with a cash shop is a whole new ballpark of issues. Looking at Payday 2 and seeing all the additional paid content... that already makes me loose interest in a game. To many DLC that confuse you what is actual playable content and what is just cosmetic or soundtrack.

[@HavanaSyndrome69]

Well there ya have it. I trust this man's opinions more than my own family. No Payday 3 for me ever lol

[@thelittledetailscr7231]

Sad

[@messiahshow]

Then you will be missing out just saying.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

@@messiahshow Yeah definitely missing out this mediocre game that forces you to be online and doesn't even let you play with bots.

[@messiahshow]

@@IskenderCaglarM41B441 You play with bots if you want, just create an invite or friendly only lobby. Solo stealth and duo stealth is amazing fun.

[@HavanaSyndrome69]

@@messiahshow I would never play a game like this anyway. It's fine. In the recent past I've only played Squad, Hearts of Iron IV, Fallout, Skyrim, Cyberpunk, Stellaris, Dying Light, Metro, Total War, Bannerlord, city builders, X4 etc. I'm not into AAA online shooters like this or call of duty/battle royale stuff.

[@GamerGrade]

07:22 LOVE IT!

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Mak' . 🐺 Loupis Canis .

[@ijz9278]

fucking god dammit i was looking forward for this.. can't play video games on release day in 2023 😩

[@igorthelight]

Why would you do that anyways? Just wait for a "Complete Edition" on sale ;-)

[@liquidkameleon]

I'm not going to be an apologist to a billion dollar industry that has no standards, but look at it this way: Everything in the last 3 years has gotten at least twice more expensive. From food to accommodation. There is no freaking way games can be the only commodity that somehow cheated laws of economics, so it's clear that they are making up new ways of making more money without racking up the price. If Payday 3 didn't have the malware attached to it, but cost 120 pounds, what would your verdict be?

[@captainhydrodus4616]

Did you catch the thing file scrapers crapped out? apparently there was a offline mode and the same style UI when it comes to making a lobby.

[@purelypeach8008]

Where did you find this?

[@captainhydrodus4616]

​@@purelypeach8008reddit surprisingly. For once they're good for something beyond being a punchline

[@unstableordinance]

@@captainhydrodus4616 Love that last line lol

[@swaggadash9017]

​@@captainhydrodus4616Only ever used Reddit for NSFW research 😂

[@TBoneSan]

Word.. the amount of times I've people say "what do you have to hide" when sharing data.... does my head in. The hell people have curtains then!?

[@EvilFandango]

Payday 2 was fun but it also had a lot of problems that slowly got to you the more you played.

[@wrath231]

PD 2 got so bloated.

[@MisterRawgers]

I was excited for this one and installed it on gamepass, as soon as I saw they wanted my personal info I realized why it’s on gamepass and I immediately uninstalled it. Fuck these shady tactics. I’ll never give my personal info to any game

[@tuntitommosille]

The reason games are like this nowadays is because the overwhelming majority of gamers are like junkies who will pay for anything just to get a quick fix.

[@fordprefect80]

If it's new, buy it.

[@isaakfaulk8067]

I knew this would happen as soon as they said it’d be one Unreal engine

[@Yaboi-cs4je]

Gaming is truly dead, eh boys?

[@desertfish74]

I'm having a lot of fun with my steam and PSN backlog (>2 year old games)

[@danielkjm]

Nah, indie games are better then ever :D

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

Not at all. Payday 2 was also shite and that came out 10 years ago.

[@Voodoo_S3]

There's the odd good/decent game but in general yeah, funny thing is there's a bunch of people saying how good this year has been for gaming lol

[@ErizotDread]

I had this on my steam wishlist, and a couple days after release, I checked out a video, and heard it was online only, and had all kinds of connection issues to where you can barely play the game. This game is no longer on my wishlist. If I feel the urge to pull off some heists, I'll just load up Payday 2. Seems pretty simple to me. Thanks for suffering through this so I didn't have to! lol

[@timtams5283]

"It's okay for it to be bad, guys! ITs EaRlY aCcEsS"

[@GangsterFrankensteinComputer]

It's not in early access. It's a full release lmao.

[@techtipsuk]

@@GangsterFrankensteinComputerthey’re been sarcastic

[@tattoodrdoke]

Tried to sign up and it just wouldn't work. So I'm boycotting the game. This level of gate keeping is getting annoying now. Any game that pushed registering I'm gonna leave alone now. I have more than enough games in library to complete anyway.

[@shivan2418]

Payday 3 is great! I'd write a longer list of reasons but I'm running late for my 4th booster.

[@rustyshackleford1875]

Shit man yeah I know, between my hormone injections, destruction of historical property, oil protests and therapy I just don’t have time to say how good this game is. 😂

[@CitarNosis506]

I don't mind online multiplayer games as I do play MMO's but when you can play it single player? It shouldn't be the case.

[@sirteabag8652]

the AI is so human like in this game they even decided to take days off.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

Truly realistic experience.

[@palerocty]

As someone who is working in the offshore industry, where satellite internet is still limited and expensive, despite the starlink, I can't agree more. Having single player games that require active internet connection is just sad. I would love to be able to play Elite Dangerous when I am away from home for months at a time,but I just cant...

[@m.c4210]

Actman loved it. Usually trust his opinions but it seems there’s some serious issues.

[@BlackNomad1]

The game IS fun when it gets out of its own way. The signing up to an account you shouldn’t need. The servers being down means you simply can’t play the game. As he says. But when it works it’s good fun.

[@Voodoo_S3]

Didn't he get flown out by the publisher/devs to play early and showered in gifts, I'm sure that didn't influence him at all. There's a few 'creators'/influencers who's lost credibility over this game.

[@steriskyline4470]

he did and it was blatantly obviously even if he hadnt have said so@@Voodoo_S3

[@SteveBarna]

Well he played it at a planned event with i'm sure zero server issues.

[@HarbingerOfTruth1]

Actman is not credible at all

[@domm6812]

Man, I knew this game would be rubbish. They knew too ....they'd have charged full price for this if they could have, what with all the greed publishers indulge in now. The cheap price, along side the very dated shiny/waxy person graphics was a big red flag to me. It barely looks any different to payday 2. It's payday 2.1, with the offline mode removed, added bugs and glitches, and absolute garbage friend invite and match making interface. If I try it, it'll be in a few years when it's five bucks and most of the bullsh*t is fixed ....if it ever does get fixed.

[@thefella131]

This is where GOG can shine.

[@Spydiggity]

Not just gaming. Everything today sucks.

[@Sophistry0001]

I had a discussion with a buddy about the state of gaming, and whether the classic $60 game was still a viable option considering how devalued the currency has gotten. Games back in 1995 were selling for 60 dollars, which after inflation is 120 dollars today. And I think it's pretty self evident that big games are not being made the way they used to for that same price point, they need to be carved up and sold in chunks or add microtransactions. At the very least a big game will need a strong early access showing to fund the development to completion, the way BG3 did it. Like do all these big games need some extra form of funding because our politicians sold our collective soul to modern monetary theory?

[@lycanwarrior2137]

Most gamers have very little knowledge about the economics and finance. Albeit I didn't until recently either lol.

[@MinosDaedalus]

I find the urinating analogy so damn accurate. Some people wouldn't even know what happened to them and would thank the publishers for the extra water they got. "heY aT lEaSt iTs wAtEr aNd wE gEt iT foR fRee!"

[@tannerhill9648]

Starting to think you're the only legit reviewer out here.

[@joeldoxtator9804]

Why does it look like a mod for half life 2 in 2023? There has been absolutely no upgrade from payday 1 to payday 3

[@furanduron4926]

They consider this a finished product. They consider this something that people deserve. Think about it.

[@igor7600]

Everybody complaining about the online issues, but I'm more pissed with the poor AI of the NPCs that are blind and deaf

[@bazyt1]

They know the mainstream reviewers won't mention it or criticise it. And people will buy it. Hence, it continues.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

Then they deserve everything that's happening to them.

[@antaeus6637]

Very honest review. Feeding all you personal info to a website I’ve never heard of to play a strictly online game that hasn’t worked since I bought it… guess I’m the one getting robbed.

[@stephenhartley2853]

the bank level looks like a reskin of the fbi building from payday 2. specifically the upstairs part where you do the thermite. the balcony overlooking the main lobby looks remarkably similar

[@GamingWithGeo]

To be fair, most government buildings look the same in real life as well. And I've worked in my fair share of them.

[@jamiehill1444]

I was trying to do one of the heists stealth, i failed multiple times, I finally managed to do almost do it, I was securing the last bag and about to go to the exit and I got disconnected. Very sad solo is the way it is being online only I think the game is okay but definitely needs more content, Atleast I can run it far better than payday 2

[@jayyoung7155]

AAA gaming is beyond repair at this stage

[@FlamespeedyAMV]

Kick out the diversity hires, fire the current CEOs, and get rid of all stockholders etc. Go back to gaming being independent again

[@ceesinieks]

Thanks for keeping it real as always, Mac. You will be the first person I support if I can ever afford to

[@abhijeetpoudel5919]

If you buy Payday 3, you are buying a joke that's fun when it works. That's all.

[@IskenderCaglarM41B441]

If you buy payday 3 you are a clown.