RTX 5000 Launch Disaster? 9800X3D BACK In Stock? Q&A December 2024

[@PCBuilderChannel]

▶Sponsor: Windows 10 Pro ($17) biitt.ly/kPBz6 *CORRECTION: Typo on the slide for the 4070 & 5070 VRAM. Should read "12GB" not "16GB" for both.* What games are you playing? How is your PC holding up? Did you build or upgrade recently? Planning a build or upgrade? What GPUs are you most interested in? Tell your story in a new comment below!

[@TheDragonfriday]

They will sold before they come out lol We need to outlaw scalpers

[@OppenChad]

Is this safe, will the key get barred by MS

[@PCBuilderChannel]

@OppenChad Its a OEM single use Key that will work great. If you have any issues they take care of things quickly with their customer service chat. I personally buy all my keys from them (dozens at this point) so I am very comfortable recommending them

[@Audiosan79]

@@PCBuilderChannel Just finished building my racing sim PC. With a TUF B650 pluss, 32GB 6000 CL30 RAM, 2TB kingston KC3000, Corsair RM750x, ryzen 5 7600 and rx6950XT. Will upgrade that one over the new year with a Asus TUF rx8800XT and ryzen 7 7800X3D (from my main gaming rig) and some new fans. And get a 9800X3D for my main rig.

[@rangersmith4652]

My main gaming PC runs a 7900XTX, and backed up by a 6800XT. No issues in BG3 and FF14. No plans to upgrade unless the RX 8800XT offers such great value that I can't pass it up (and scalpers don't snag them all).

[@sanchido36]

Let those scalpers sit on those GPU's. Never buying from a scalper.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Its a vicious cycle for sure

[@StickyPlasters]

People do or they wouldn’t scalp

[@dolpoof2335]

We beat them with the ps5 pro. Just need to undercut them with msrp pricing and availability for this round.

[@StickyPlasters]

@@dolpoof2335 they misjudged with the ps5 pro. GPU demand is a different ball game. If you want one, use a chrome browser extension to alert you when a sites page changes and somethings in stock. Worked for me with Xbox on release

[@fabrb26]

DEA be like, we may try that " ayooo people , stop doing drugs please. Thx "

[@stevedenton7986]

I held onto my money when all the scalpers were doing their thing and got my Galax 4090 SG within 6 months and only paid $1599 on amazon for it. I will ALWAYS wait and NEVER pay a scalper. If everyone would do as I do, the scalper problem would go away. I love it when the scalpers get caught with an abundance of stock and no one will pay their price. Makes me feel all warm inside...

[@felixmdx]

good! Once found a scalper on amazon selling almost all type of 3090 for ridicilous prices... when 4090 was already more than a year out XD

[@jamegumb7298]

3-4 montha with my 4070S. I am sticking to this one for a looong time. No dealing with scalpers.

[@EGH666]

i bought my 4090 on launch for cheaper than they are now, 2 years later. The goal is to grab them on launch day, waiting doesnt seem like a good idea because the stock will disappear

[@acidreighn]

@@EGH666 just gotta put in the work. Took me a few months of grinding but i finally managed to grab my 3080FE @ MSRP (699) and my Gigabyte o/c 4090 for 1699 (100 over the FE MSRP)

[@Lightwish4K]

They have families aswell and need to feed their children, please be nice to everyone :)

[@IslanmGeiHomo]

We learned our lesson from COVID, DO NOT BUY from SCALPERS. No BULLCRAP panic buying / Rushing. RTX will come out and AMD will come out next year, most of us are stuck in AM4 or intel 12th gen, so getting a BRAND NEW CARD from 2025 will have Bottle neck, chill down

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Yes its important to remember that you don't need the newest most expensive card on the market to build a really great gaming pc

[@soundrider7025]

But did we really learn it? I know I would never throw money at a scalper and I'm gonna buy strictly from a good store but I'm pretty sure scalpers will again ruin the launch and stupid people will pay them.

[@DanyMinecraft123]

Must note for anyone looking to buy. Checking price to performance is best thing 🙏

[@justjosh5725]

Scalpers sort of provide a little value. When theres a shortage of a product the scalpers essentially ensure its always available just at a higher price. If nobody was reselling these low stock items when they sold out you wouldnt be able to get it till restock. They ensure its still available for those who dont mind paying more

[@Spazzfrom.1989]

@@justjosh5725 if i was a store id just price according..tell people come back in a season when things calm down

[@NGreedia]

Really disapointing that not only was b580 sold out, the amazon "Intel Authorized Distributor" is selling it for around $550-600cad($400usd-ish). At that price, you may as well just get a 7700 XT or pay a bit more for a 7800 XT

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Yes the stock situation for that is just a taste of what is coming with new Nvidia GPUs I suspect. Very frustrating

[@ilbro7874]

Yeah im not sure why anyone would buy a b580 for that $400

[@LateBandwagon]

@@ilbro7874suckers who see it compete with a 4060ti

[@jmangames5562]

@@PCBuilderChannel It is planned there is no way they do not know what the demand is after all these years! They are the scalpers. They can stop it if they want. It makes them even more trash of companies.

[@joepiazza3756]

Canada Computers has preorders for $400

[@darkkingastos4369]

As an AMD customer hopefully the scalpers will focus on the Nvidia cards and leave my future 8700xt stock alone

[@PCBuilderChannel]

That would be nice!

[@defnotatroll]

🤣

[@karzen1492]

I mean they're scalping b580s lol, a low end card that is only worth buying due to its value....I refuse to believe people are paying scalpers for a gpu that is only viable due to its price...if you are paying 400 dollars for a b580 go buy a 7700 xt....lol but ya amd won't be safe from scalpers, consumers are completely illogical...

[@External2737]

Scalpers will go for whatever they think they can. I agree with @karzen1492 has it right, people are being illogical by not looking at alternatives. For many (most?) they won't even look at AMD cards. At launch, I received, for the time, an amazing loss leader deal on the 9800XT. I'm set for years. I'm just not going to worry about one generation better.

[@Sureflame]

​@karzen1492 They're not actually. It's just a few stragglers that got listed. There is genuinely short supply of these cards due to demand from people instead of resellers like the 9800x3D (It's literally nonsensical to scalp a budget card lol). They're going to have weekly restocks though which should be nice for people building soon.

[@michaelfishman6082]

Don't fall for the FOMO. don't rush to upgrade. AAA Games come out unoptimized these days. Don't play games on Ultra settings, you won't notice the difference during gameplay. Upscaling is not the solution. RTX is a gimmick. check out your backlog. Try playing less demanding AA and indie games that still look amazing without making you feel like you need the lastest GPUs to brute force the unoptimized bloat. check out games from few years back and realize how little progress has been made in graphical fidelity compared to how much the demand for more proccessing power grew.

[@kremlokTD]

Definitely go back and play some old games! Playing through Lords of Shadows for the first time and it didnt cost $70 like a newer game would. Got a key for $8

[@SnakeEyes111]

I have a card from 8 years ago, grabbed up a b580. I agree with all the sentiments but I need a change in order to play the games I want and at the performance I want.

[@michaelfishman6082]

@@SnakeEyes111 Of course if you haven't upgraded for so long you should upgrade there is no question about it, i was talking from a perspective of people who own mid- to high end current or last gen cards and have reasonable expectations from what they own.

[@JasonKing-m6m]

Very good advice.....

[@JasonKing-m6m]

@@SnakeEyes111 Definitely. An 8yr old card will be well incapable of playing modern games at reasonable fps. Good buy....

[@Donahue250]

they should require ID to purchase new cards, to prevent scalpers and bots. one per customer

[@PCBuilderChannel]

I agree personally!

[@Adam-Mei]

I say 2 per customer. If I were to want to be able to buy one for my wife and I both then I am stuck. Personally, I wouldn't buy one and definitely not two, but I can see the need for it.

[@Donahue250]

@@Adam-Mei then she would use her ID to clarify its a separate purchase. I believe your wife has one. we all have to have one

[@hubertrogala3733]

Scalpel in disguise

[@jmangames5562]

@@Adam-Mei she can go buy her own duh. You just want to scalp it stop lying. Your the problem.

[@PDNW]

The answer is always yes, I feel like the masses are never going to get another new gpu at launch for msrp. A few people will get lucky but scalpers are going to ruin every launch for the foreseeable future

[@jmangames5562]

Explain how the most advanced tech company cannot stop this? Then tell me there not the scalpers.

[@PDNW]

@ there’s no reason for them to stop it. They get sold out instantly, they make their money. By stopping it and slowing down sales to a more human rate, they make their profits slower

[@cosmic_gate476]

@@jmangames5562 It helps them find how high they can push prices so why stop it?

[@BasketOfPuppies]

@@jmangames5562 How would they? No really, what magic would they use to say "no, you have money and you want to buy our cards, we won't let you 'cause you're a scalper"? It's why scalpers have always existed. Limit to one per credit card? Gift credit cards can be bought and then what? Limit retailers to sell only one per customer? They won't accept that, it's money, they're not going to turn down money. There's no technical solution. There just isn't. It'll stop when scalping stops making scalpers money.

[@JasonKing-m6m]

@@PDNW It's up to retailers to limit sales to one per address...

[@Vicioussama]

Imo, screw NVIDIA, need more people to stop buying their stuff. They need to lose market share. AMD cards will play everything just fine. Even Intel now can.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Always rooting for market competition for sure!

[@niyazzmoithu20]

AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity!🤷‍♂️

[@StickyPlasters]

I wish that was true, but I simrace in Vr and AMD just doesn’t compete in that area

[@Artimidorus]

@@StickyPlasters AMD only competes when you put in the same category as Veganism. There is a very tiny amount of users who just hate enjoying things and they want YOU, yes YOU! and everyone near you, to hear about how their chosen money pit is the only true virtuous one and any other opinions are shills who work for 'The Man'.

[@uss-dh7909]

Nooooooooooooo!!!!!1 Don't you want the latest technology, to see the light reflecting off surfaces, to see your reflection in the mirrors, SMOKING HOT 12VHPWR?!?!?1 Isn't this what gamers love? I mean nvidia only owns +80% of the market...

[@lifebetweenthelines8576]

I put my money on a 7900xt for it's 20gb of vram and good 1440p performance. My 580 lasted 5 years and I hope to enjoy the 7900 for that long.

[@Dempig]

7900xt is already outdated for 1440p in UE5. FSR is required and it looks horrible.

[@lifebetweenthelines8576]

@@Dempig then ill just keep playing the games i have. Hogwarts, Forza, FFXIV, all look great and im not going to suffer buying a new gpu every year because devs refuse to optimize the games. its not a matter of hardware and we need to start holding the game studios accountable.

[@Rushtallica]

@@Dempig 7900xt is my top card and a great card IMO, and also IMO people should stop gaf about games that won't run on anything but a 4090. F that S. There's only so much entertainment value a person can get out of a piece of equipment, and at least for me there's no new game, let alone library of games, that makes me think I need to spend $1,500 or more for a single component to run and then hope it'll continue to run the next set of games or won't end up with a melted connector, etc... I think companies are going to have to start doing something about making games that run well on reasonable equipment if they want to continue being successful.

[@Rushtallica]

@@lifebetweenthelines8576 Completely agreed.

[@LoricSwift]

Ignore Dempig, I see them all over the place trying to troll on AMD cards.

[@fawkkyutuu8851]

Now that 5090 having 32gb of VRAM is all but confirmed, I'm predicting the price to be between 1999 - 2499... and I'm honestly leaning more towards 2499.

[@johnscott9869]

In europe we were paying €2000 plus for the 4090

[@John-Wolfe]

This is why whne new tech is released, i assume that the real release date is 6 to 8 months after launch. Ussually in that time frame the supply issues settle, the bugs are exposed and patched, and things like bios have been updated. Its a lot less painful that way. I did this with the 7800x3d launch, the 5800x3d launch, the 3080 launch, the 4080 luanch, the 4080 delay got me a 4080 super instead. With 5000 series, i will likely either skip this gen or save for 5090.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Yeah that's a good way to think about it

[@valaxis2450]

I randomly checked amazon for the 9800x3d yesterday, saw it was in stock. Bought it and went back to see how many were left, it was gone 💀. So lucky I caught it

[@thomasmiller418]

Same!

[@taps8781]

What will ruin the launch will be the lack of VRAM.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Entirely possible yes!

[@brianburke808]

Huang: the 5090 will have plenty of RAM, so just as long as you're not a pleb buying the 5080 or lower, you'll be fine.

[@daedalus6433]

@@brianburke808Huang: Don't forget that the more you buy, the more jackets I get.

[@plsdontbanmeagainyoulibtards]

the 5090 will have 32gb of vram. The 5060ti will have 16gb. This is only going to be an issue with the 5060 that bafflingly still has 8gb.

[@jimmyeriksson8358]

​@@daedalus6433you mean its not the same jacket year to year?

[@m0ose0909]

I bought my last GPU, the RTX 3080, during the crazy launch period during the pandemic. It took a few weeks, but I managed to snag one using some chrome extensions (forget the name) to monitor newegg and some other sites for diffs on specific searches when looking for them to come in stock. Got real lucky and when the "alarm" went off, managed to purchase one. A few seconds after they were already out of stock. Crazy times. I hope it's not that wild again.

[@jomorim]

I just bought a Ryzen 7 7700. Like most people, my PC isn't just for gaming, and I also use it as my primary work tool. Seemed like the rational choice for me, both price and performance-wise.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Good choice! What GPU are you pairing it with

[@jomorim]

@@PCBuilderChannel A 6750 XT. Far from ideal, I know, but GPU prices over here (I moved to Brazil a while back) are insane, and I don't expect it to get any better with the launch of the RTX 5000's and RX 8000's. It was the only decent GPU I could find at a sane price, and it's more than enough for the type of games I play (CRPG's and Elite Dangerous mostly). I was gunning for an RX 7800 XT or a 7900 GRE, but they're just too expensive. I could afford them, just couldn't justify the price to myself.

[@jomorim]

I'd just like to add that what I really like about your channel is that you focus on the users' actual needs. Everybody likes news about the newest shiny toys, don't get me wrong, but finding a hardware channel that actually gives sensible advice is a rare find these days.

[@obeyobay9146]

@@jomorim im in the same boat, was going for a 4070 super or 7900 gre but just couldn’t justify the inflated prices and went with a 6750xt, so far it’s been serving me flawlessly I must say.

[@jomorim]

@@obeyobay9146 That's good to know, I'm still waiting for some parts (mainly the MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk), so I haven't had the chance to try it yet.

[@shhfiftyfive]

nvidia has been using a pricing trend of going up 20% every single series. it is insane.

[@VexOoo-x7y]

Asian CEO...don't be surprised

[@ryangardinerusa2753]

I have a country cousin who bought a 4090 off of a guy who got it at launch. Charged him $1,900. He handed over the cash then punched him in the nose. Thanked him and walked away. True story. Not even close to exaggerating. I don’t condone violence, but I’ll say this: Scalpers beware. 😂😂😂

[@dauntae24]

That’s assault, brotha

[@kevinmorris1371]

Not all hero's wear capes

[@ilbro7874]

Bruh, $1900 isnt even that much of a scalp why did he hit that mf for that. If it was an AIB card, thats what they charge anyway 😂

[@ryangardinerusa2753]

@@dauntae24 Where I come from if you mess with someone’s hunting dog, they bury you in the hill behind behind their house and the local sheriff won’t say much about it. 🤷‍♂️ Edit: Actually I think that’s battery. But I’m no lawyer.

[@ryangardinerusa2753]

@@ilbro7874 I asked the same question! 😂

[@pkpnyt4711]

The B580 is a joke, no stock all over Asia at any time and limited stocks released in the US means this was a paper launch and someone was right saying this was a limited release.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

I was able to buy one day one personally from Newegg (using the technique I go over in the video). But I think the stock issues are a taste of what's to come in 2025 with all the GPU launches

[@pkpnyt4711]

@PCBuilderChannel The NV launch is different because they're focused on selling to AI customers/ scalpers (gaming is so small right now in terms of their revenue, it's laughable) due to the crypto/AI craze for a few years now . Intel isn't even in that conversation and only had to supply to gamers, and they couldn't even do that.

[@bad_atgames]

Not a paper launch, demand was just crazy high post reviews... Not even Intel themselves knew it would do this good. This is literally their 2nd GPU gen and alchemist literally flopped in terms of sales. Cut them some slack, as long as they get the stock up by January it's still an amazing card

[@nostrum6410]

Pretty sure intel stated as much

[@nostrum6410]

​@bad_atgames they have little stock and that won't change for the life of the product

[@Icureditwithmybrain]

Re: Nvidia 5k Im not paying $1,200 for a 256 bit 16GB card lol. I'm happy with my 7900 XTX that I got for $839.

[@weirdodude1173]

I'm waiting to see the reviews for 8800 XT and 5080 next month, whichever one has a better price to performance in Stable Diffusion, and if it still plays games in 4K fine, that's the one I'm getting. Thumbs up!

[@SwingArmCity]

I'm sure they'll both do that just fine. What will be cheaper? Go that route.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Yes! Sounds like a plan

[@Dempig]

8800xt will for sure be too weak for 4k, and FSR looks horrible even at 4k. Not even the 7900xtx is good enough for 4k and the 8800xt will be weaker than the 7900xtx in raster.

[@NetflixForeign]

I still think it's gross the top of the line AMD this time can't even have 20 GB. of V-RAM. I'm not complaining about the lower core count but capping the ENTIRE release lineup at 16 GB. at most is absolutely ridiculous. It is like AMD progressed on V-RAM, understanding the need for extra in the 7000 series then regressed back to the 6000 series where 16 GB. was more then enough. They need to have that extra RAM from 20 to 24 GB to futureproof like was the intent with the 6000 series at the time.

[@SwingArmCity]

@@NetflixForeign You forget that AMD isn't going to be making (this is what I've heard) high end GPU's this round. So, 16 gb for a solid mid-level card is normal.

[@shanedavenport734]

China isn't a major market anymore. It was before Pooh bear took power. Most people in China are having a real hard time just making rent or feeding themselves. They don't have the money for ultra expensive video cards.

[@spetsru2906]

Lol....not what trade numbers say...

[@-darkangelic-]

9800x3d in stock at Microcenter if you’re fortunate enough to be near one.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Yes! Wish it wasn't a 10 hour drive for me! Hi Dark (:

[@park9912]

Saw them there last week they had tons in stock but no 4080 super what so ever

[@wiltonmontan4358]

@@park9912 the highest they have is the 4070 ti super or 7900xtx

[@dougcastle1785]

@@wiltonmontan4358got my 7900XTX for $760 off Amazon. I would never pay $1200 for a 4080 super that is the same if not less FPS than the 7900. $400+ for just Ray Tracing that my game is not optimized for that is insane.

[@charlessmith9369]

@@park9912dang! I got mines back in September still eying that 5080 but it honestly looking like ima just stick with my 4080S it still a beast tbh sucks Nvidia cut em so early!

[@civsully1740]

Well the sad part for the 9800x3d are the regular sellers (Best Buy & Others) in not limiting sales to one each to allow greater access. But I get it. They just care about selling stock on hand and could care less if Scalpers suck up all the inventory. So meanwhile I will just have to wait because I'm just not going to overpay.

[@匿名希望-s8x]

Honestly, if 5080 is 16GB, it's a no-go in my book. At the very least 20GB. Fuck "bandwidth" or whatever other BS they feed to the fanboys to cope. How much they give for VRAM is in my opinion a good gauge on how keen they are on improving their product, especially for the non-90s, and so far NVIDIA is doing shit. Heck, those chips doesn't even cost that much and both AMD and NVIDIA is unwilling to add more. Fuck them. Also not being able to export to China shouldn't mean fuck other markets and underperform. If that logic goes then there's no point in making 5090 or it would be a 4090 with different name on it. If you make a good product, it will sell fine even without export. Just sell 5070 to China if 5080 is no bueno. Export control is no excuse for slapping on the 5080 name onto a 4085 and then proceeding to price gouge everyone like crazy.

[@R6ex]

Bet 5080 SUPER in 2026 will have 24GB VRAM. Wait 1 year if you can. If you can't, buy the 24GB 4090 or go AMD instead.

[@vangelis7]

Yup thats going to be a 1200$ card. A sub 400$ rx6800 comes with that much vram

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Agreed

[@jmangames5562]

@@vangelis7 1399 for the gimped 5080 aka a slower 4090 with not enough vram is my guess.

[@donaldpump1282]

you sound like a rap video every other word is fuck and shit.

[@maximpowers1]

I bought the B580 from Asrock, and it is superb for me, i came from a 5700XT... still in stock here in Norway :)

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Nice! Hello Norway!

[@Lone_GamerUK]

We all know: a) they will be all too expensive for price v performance b) that price will go up 30% due to availability, scalping, Nvidia controlling stock levels c) VRAM & bus held back to help them offset GDD7 prices d) within a few months they release another version, with a, b & c repeated I rarely bother to even get excited anymore its the same old story where normal people, normal prices, and god forbid even good value is just a historical memory. Same old same old

[@LoricSwift]

'The more you buy, the more we save!'. Leather jackets ain't gonna buy themselves, after all.

[@rangersmith4652]

RTX 5000: Too expensive, not enough VRAM, praised by reviewers as having a superior "feature set," bought by fanboys. RDNA4: Well-priced, class-leading rasterization, ample VRAM, scalped to Nvidia-like prices because people know it's under-priced for its performance.

[@ferhat3111]

man 5080 with only 16 gb is just insane man I cant express how dissapointed I am right now. :(

[@mmanz123]

RTX5080 TI is 24GB

[@jamesgodfrey1322]

The 5080 has a notable 400-watt power draw. Meanwhile, the 5090 has a staggering 600 watts power draw. We all remember that the 4090 with it 450 watts. power draw had issue with melting power cables. So my question would be, have they fixed this issue? And given the fact that the 5080 is very close to the 4090 power draw, adding in a little overclocking, ????? I think this is worth looking into and watching tech reviews on KZbin. I do not know ....

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Remember we don't have any solid data yet, its all speculation at this point. We'll see when we get 3rd party testing

[@turboimport95]

stock 4090 pulls around 330 watts in gaming. A 4080 uses around 275-280. The connector in reality should not melt period. most likely issue is overclocking or connector bad internal connection.

[@dauntae24]

I’ve seen my stock 4090 pull about 400 watts at 100% running triple 1440p monitors.

[@R6ex]

New 12V-2x6 cable should be better.

[@jamesgodfrey1322]

@@PCBuilderChannel I do not know ....That why intrested in finding out it space to watch as data tech reviews take place

[@dougcastle1785]

9800x3d are ALWAYS in stock at Micro Centers. They have them every week. I drove 3 hours to get mine but my nearest was pretty far but worth the drive. Got it same day not waiting for Amazon to restock

[@nostrum6410]

12 hour drive plus 2 day stay to avoid paying duty

[@TinkletitsMcGee]

I can’t believe my 2 year old 4090 is worth more rn than I bought it for. What the hell is happening?

[@Thomas_Angelo]

Love your channel, man. Most straight to the point and honest tech channel there is.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Thank you! Really appreciate that

[@MormonDude]

Honestly I don’t know why these companies doesn’t do something similar to preorders or just a put you in a line when you make in order. Like, you might have to wait for the next restock but I feel if you put in an order they could easily track when you made it and who you were ahead of and behind of and just give you your product based on that. Like it might take a few months for it to get to you as they restock, but it should be pretty easy for them to get it to you.

[@nahbro3240]

I have learned since the 3000 series. You got to wait around 6 months before being able to buy the card you want.

[@Shockingevee]

Question does the rtx 3060 ti and the 3070 ti have bottlenecks with the ryzen 9800x3d?

[@Haru_no_ki]

If we would go after the spec leaks, the 5090 is double the raw power of 5080 and double the vram. They literally can put the 90 class at double the price and still be a better deal due to the bandwith and other specs over the 80 class

[@travisretriever7473]

"Is the 5090 going to be worth it, on a performance per price basis?" No. Next question.

[@Jay-jayy-n9u]

That’s the last question

[@theredwedge9446]

Im mostly annoyed how this wont affect gpu prices and make older gpus cheeper.

[@randomstanaccount]

Just built my first gaming pc! I'm coming from a Precision 3640 which had a i7-13700 and an RTX T400, and while it was fine for low res gaming on my 4k monitor, it couldn't play Jedi Survivor and other games at all. I ended up going with a 9800x3d over the 7700x since I was by my state's Microcenter for a day when it was in stock and I'll be needing some of its better multi-threading performance. I got the Sapphire Nitro+ 7800xt to pair with it. Since my 4k monitor is locked at 60fps, it'll do me well for awhile, and I can downgrade the graphics quality for several years before needing to upgrade my gpu. My little brother is very jealous since he's the one who got me into gaming in the first place and he's rocking my old college XPS 15 9570. I hope to help him build his first pc when he goes off to college in the future.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Congrats on your build!

[@randomstanaccount]

@@PCBuilderChannel Thanks! All your charts and comparisons made it really easy to decide what would work best for me and what was optional to go for if I had the money.

[@A3r0XxLol]

Nothing wrong with getting 9800X3D, you can keep it for years and still replace GPU in a year or two.

[@TheShaunydog]

Thats my plan, just hard trying to decide what gpu to get. I want to play games around 144fps 1440p. 5080 doesnt seem like will be worth until ti/super versions. 5090 too expensive and 4090 2nd hand is still almost msrp so 4090 too expensive aswell. So im thinking 5070 or 8800xt or maybe a 7900xtx

[@WCC86]

Microcenter locations seem to be getting regular shipments of the 9800x3d. The Philly location had 25+ that sold out slowly over the weekend, and they just got a new shipment of 25+ today. You can only buy in person and you cannot have one held for you. I gambled on a hour and a half trip through Friday rush hour traffic and got one. They didn't sell completely out until Monday morning.

[@flat-stansweeklyreport7090]

So many people complain about not being able to get the 9800x3d. I used the hot stock app on my phone (did not purchase a subscription) and I got notified when it went into stock across multiple retailers. I setup my accounts before hand. I was able to secure two 9800X3Ds within two weeks of it being released (1 from Amazon and 1 from Newegg). Built a new pc around it. Glad I decided to do a 9800x3d/4080 super build with the specs of the 5080 coming at 16gb of vram.

[@toddheartsound5451]

A B770 will take over this miserable GPU market like fish in a barrel... They don't even need to be the best value, just carry on patching games and PRODUCE more.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

We love to see the competition!

[@nostrum6410]

I doubt that will even be a thing, certainly not in volume

[@sailyourface]

My 6800xt is more than powerful enough for what I play at 1440p besides VR. My FOMO wants a card with 4090 performance but the gap between the 5090 and the rest is really turning me off. I hope it's still a halo card but the rest of the stack has the gaming performance with the AI and professional work station premium cut out but i'm high as a kite on hopium right now...

[@dtectatl1]

I dint think the sanctions work in the way you're describing. It's not as if China is locked to 4090D performance forever. The US just doesn't want them to have access to our top of the line. So the 5090 will be the new benchmark, and anything less than that should fly.

[@MeowO_O]

I disagree with your take on system integrators. They are skilled professionals who know exactly how to market 8GB of VRAM to uninformed customers at marked-up prices, even though it's not enough for most 2025 games.

[@RandallRoman]

Love the update on Mr. Bear! He moves great for a middle-aged cat who once had a broken leg. Glad you have an environment where he can go outside and behave like a cat, and still be safe.

[@punk_floyd_8123]

i will never buy an nvidia card again. they are getting too egregious with their pricing lately, and not just nvidia, amd are doing it as well with their flagship x3d chips, i will never buy one of those either, until they come down to a reasonable price. i think even if intel is only decent, at that price point people won't care too much, and the b580 outperforms the 4060 in a lot of games, and is cheaper, with more vram

[@davester4545]

Amd builds (cpu and gpu) are really good for other operating systems (notably nobara when it comes to gaming). In my case, the 7900xt with 7800x3d are insane for modding and additional textures in certain titles. And with civ7 (one of my anticipated games) having denuvo, maybe it’s better to get a high-performance card with more vram than needed.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

I think that's smart personally

[@MHMontgomery]

Picked up a 9800x3d from Micro Center last night. (They sold out in one day). Now I just have to figure out which motherboard CPU memory and GPU to buy. BoostMyBuild :)

[@raysparks3161]

I went with 32Gb of 6000 Corsair Vengeance CL30 it's cheap and runs well, MB I got was AsRock b650 Steel Legend which does the job, I'm waiting to see if the 5080 is worth a look as I'm wanting to upgrade from a 3080

[@nicnielsen1361]

been doing research for my first ever pc build after having this prebuild for 7+ years and i just wanted to say that this channel is a gem and deserves a lot more attention! great quality videos with content that is targeted to what people need to hear :) keep up the great work and youve earned a new subscriber!

[@tinayang3902]

Those Nvidia 3000 series 8GB priced 1/3 of original MSRP @ eBay... Its value depreciates much faster than my car....It seems gamer has problems running Indian Jones with 8GB. My last Indian Jones (MS Dos) runs on VGA card with 1mb of 512kb ^_^

[@NiketSatapara]

Dude, I just finished my PC build with a 7900 XTX and a 9800X3D, and I'm already 25% over budget... was not want to wait any longer and go another 20% over.

[@dougcastle1785]

Same build here 😂. Love expensive computer parts. Team Red all the way

[@nostrum6410]

Blew your budget on the cpu

[@Jay-jayy-n9u]

The xtx is booty cheeks

[@MintyQuarterz]

Bottleneck 😂 9800x3d is overkill for the 7900xtz

[@dwain.d]

My local stores here in Australia vet their online sales to reduce the impact of bots. They obviously can't determine if a purchase is going to a scalper but I'm pretty confident in being able to lodge an order for a 5090 the moment they go live at my preferred store and get one in reasonable time.

[@realdripmeister]

I might as well never buy Nvidia again, by the time I upgrade in 2-4 years AMD will have a GPU much faster than my 4080 with more VRAM, so the Nvidia alternative doesn’t really matter. Just 3-5 days ago I built a PC for my friend, all AmD. 9900X + 7900 XTX for gaming and adobe products

[@ShadowAngelS2K]

Be there the moment it launches, if youre at work tell your boss you have a stomachache and be on your phone. Make sure to have everything set so when its live youre already at the checkout menu. That’s how I got my 9800X3D

[@BumpkinBros]

Really happy with my 12th gen 12900k CPU got it 8 months ago and as long as you get a motherboard bracket I haven't had any issues

[@corail53]

Prices are so out of wack for the average pc consumer right now. I was going to upgrade my 10 year old rig but there is really no point right now.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Really depends on what you are looking for. Its actually a great time to upgrade on AM4 right now with the 5700X3D for example. See our How to upgrade your pc 2024 video for more

[@dkindig]

I was able to grab a 9800X3D on day of release by being early. Newegg had release starting at 9 am EST, I was logged in and refreshing at 8:15 and sale went live early at 8:30 instead of 9:00. If the AIB Partners have boards ready at launch then I'll be trying for a 5090, otherwise I'll wait til they're available.

[@Wistz90]

I managed to get-in on one of the PowerColor RX 7800 XT's on sale @ $430 on Amazon. Initially, I thought I was going to get a 6800 or a 7700 XT, but managed to catch the sale price in the middle of the night. It's well worth waiting for at my budget (and over my RX 580) :D If it doesn't ship before CES I'll consider the 8000 series otherwise

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Nice! I would check the seller to be safe. Those scam sellers on Amazon have been really active lately.

[@Wistz90]

@@PCBuilderChannel It's the deal that's really hard to get via PowerColor themselves and does well on /r/BuildaPCSales - it's just that supply runs out really, really fast (I think people get impatient and cancel their orders) and that frees up people like me to get in on it! It's projected for like January 1st to the 20th or so, so easy for people to get frustrated.

[@laser5543]

You said in your video that you would never recommend for anyone to build a 9800x3d with a 4070. My current plan is to get a 9800x3d with most likely a 8800xt or 4070 ti super - reason being that I only play 1080p, maybe 1440p in the future and have no interest in 4k. I also dont play AAA games and care only about hitting my 240fps in every game i play, no matter what graphic setting/frame generation setup I have to use for it. My goal is to simply be able to play ARPGs like diablo 4 and path of exile 2 at a stable 240fps at 1080p with high settings or maybe esports games at 480fps 1440p in the future. For my use case - do you still think this build makes no sense or would it add up for this situation?

[@bilzo]

Doing my first PC build. I’ve been ordering all the parts but am holding out on the GPU to be my last purchase hoping to get my hands on a 5090 at launch. I decided to go with the Ryzen 9 7950x 16 core 32 thread unlocked desktop processor. I’m hoping that’ll be sufficient enough over not getting the 9800x3D

[@CrackaSlapYa]

18:33 @MormonDude - Intel had gaming cache in 2015 (i7 5775-c, Broadwell) but killed it off in 3 months with Skylake (which regressed in gaming badly btw). It wasnt until 9900k that they actual beat tuned i7 5775-c in any game that had it's assets fit into the cache (was a 128MB monster cache). They killed it off bc it beat the next 3 architectures they had road-mapped out and had already designed. The cache was supposed to be a boost to the iGPU, Gamers actually discovered that by disabling the iGPU the cache then boosted cpu/memory performance by a LOT. Understandable why they nixed that thing, but them not keeping that tech or at the very least that concept in their pocket was dumb dumb dumb.

[@Hjorth87]

The 7600x3d has also turned up in Denmark now. I'm considering upgrading, but the cost of a platform upgrade would roughly be 3 times the cost of a 5700x3d. Would be a significant upgrade as well and a platform with an upgrade potential, but for now I guess I'll stick with my 5600x. Im frugal and indecisive as always 😅 Happy Holidays from Denmark

[@zCreepingDeathz]

This is why I just bought a 4080 and now they are all sold out. Might be able to get a 5000 series by summertime.

[@fawkkyutuu8851]

Why did you buy a 4080 now If you were just going to buy a 5000 series 6 months later?

[@zCreepingDeathz]

@@fawkkyutuu8851 I don't think we will see a 5000 series for a long time. Import tariffs, if they go into effect, will drive the prices sky high. Scalpers always seem to have an inside track on getting these cards. Last time around I had to have my friend at Nvidia send me a 3090. Plus I have kids who can use the 4080.

[@psubond]

Jason, i could really use your help. I am waiting for a cpu for my parents, i am trying to test their board with my rm850x psu (going in my build not theirs) so i know it is good. The board wont power on (no ram no cpu for a few days) i just want to see signs of life. The psu works when i jump the appropriate pins and all rails have correct power. Do i have to have a cpu in the board to get the board to power on and get fan spin?

[@Geminias]

I didn't even consider getting a 5000 series card. I know there are a lot of updates on the 30 series but the truth is that most everything I play on can be fully tackled by a 20 series card. Heck... my old 1080ti that's collecting dust can play 8/9 out of 10 games without issue. The 50 series card is just a luxury, and one that will come standard in next years builds at costco. No point in buying a 1500 dollar card when you can buy a brand new computer for 2200 and get one in it.

[@relucentsandman6447]

According to MLID, Intels version of X3D hasn't made an appearance yet because their high end CPUs and GPUs that were supposed to use it did not meet performance expectations.

[@theocculus7398]

Hey so I’ve a question about a build I’ve been setting up for and just wanted to know your thoughts or anyone else’s thoughts on the parts I’ve chosen, mainly looking to play at 1440p with games like Helldivers 2, Total War Warhammer 3, Star Citizen etc. here’s the build (the motherboard, ram, and cpu were sold as a package deal at micro center for 40% off if I remember correctly) Processor - AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor Mother Board - MSI Pro B650-P WiFi ATX AM5 Graphics Card- 4070 ti super Gigabyte Super OC RAM- G.Skill Flare X5 16x2 CL 32 ddr5 Case - Montech Sky Two ATX Mid Tower Case CPU Cooler - Thermalright Assassin X 120 R 5E PSU- Corsair RM850x watt 80 plus gold Storage- WD Black SN850X 4TB 112L 3D TLC NAND Flash PCle Gen 4 x4 NVMe M.2 Internal SSD

[@JohanMGO]

4090 owner here. love it and not upgrading for a while

[@dannymiester5825]

Same here, it's a beast and I love it, I feel lucky to own one

[@jimmyeriksson8358]

​​@@dannymiester5825just sold mine for 60% of what i bought it for almost 2 years ago to get 5090. I might be one who have to wait.. but not buying from scalpers.

[@JohanMGO]

@@dannymiester5825 yup!! I get a lot of flag when I say that I own a 4090 tho lol. It's like a bad word

[@Moonmonkian]

Recently bought one used. It's a beast but still taps out at higher end full res VR.

[@danielhulan3058]

It seems like nvidia is trying to create a gap between the 5080 and 5090 with the cut down. So they can force people to get a higher class card if they want something. On another note, if we said forget china on getting them gpus, they could do the same to us put of spite and we wouldn't have anything. The 5090 is talking about going for $2000 that's massively more than the 4090. Like $400 msrp difference

[@LoricSwift]

Not to mention by gimping the lower tiers, they are basically building in planned obsolescence, and forcing people to upgrade sooner rather than later. Most of the people buying 40/5090's because 'they are the fastest and they're not poor' are probably going to upgrade anyway as soon something faster and shiner comes along, even if it cost $3k, $4k or even $5k.

[@heroicanon]

After watching a ton of your videos I ended up going with a 7800x3d and 4080 Super. My plan is to build a second system Black Friday '25 with a 5090 and 9800x3d if it makes sense cost/availability wise. Appreciate the great videos!

[@LValC56]

Jason, I’ve got a 5800x3d with a 6950XT. I’m happy and grateful for it/with it but it’s hard to ignore the newest stuff. I know this is largely debated topic but should I upgrade to AM5 soon? I worry that the transition to AM5 will be harder as time goes on due to my current setup value steadily decreasing as AM5 keeps developing (I like to sell my used parts to upgrade).

[@PCBuilderChannel]

The 5800X3D is still super strong. Unless you are unhappy with your current performance I'd stay put personally. You could upgrade your GPU if you like! Or add more SSD storage or Ram if you are feeling the urge to upgrade (:

[@LValC56]

@ thank you for the advice! Keep up the great videos!

[@Foxy_proxy]

Those VRAM numbers are there so your card is obsolete in 2 years time and to upsell. But the only card that ends up making sense is the 5090 and its going to be expensive.

[@q3Abdulla]

Hey Jason would you recommend buying i5 12600k and 4070 or waiting for the 50 gen Gpus? The 4070 is on sale btw

[@sirbonobo3907]

hm no

[@q3Abdulla]

@ why tho

[@PCBuilderChannel]

With that one its tricky. I think if you want Nvidia over AMD it would make sense. It will be a long time before the equivalent rtx 5000 cards would be available. But if you are willing to consider a RX 8000 there might be better price to performance options for you soon. So really up to you!

[@q3Abdulla]

@ but the cpu is fine right

[@park9912]

I have that cpu and it bottlenecks my 3080 ti all the time in certain games. Depends what you're playing or doing. It's a good cpu but not future proof at all

[@WireHedd]

Not trying to tell tales out of school but I'm hearing there will be some serious anti-scalper actions coming from both NVidia and AMD where warranties will only be honoured for original purchasers of cards from supported resellers. Anyone not able to produce a "supported" receipt in their own name will not receive any form of warranty coverage and may actually end up getting blacklisted. This is from a long time friend who is in a fairly high position at AMD management and has been there since the ATi days.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Ohhh we would love to see it! Hi Wire!

[@WireHedd]

@@PCBuilderChannel Here's to hoping right? BTW, excellent story about Mr Bear and love the look of the house. Hi Jason! lol

[@JohnAmerisun]

Dude, love your no nonsense total transparency. You don't prefer one brand over another, and you present the facts as they are and what goes best together. Happy Holidays and New Year! Look forward to the 5000 series debacle coming up! 🙂

[@ajax2061]

My 9800x3d on pre-order, they stated they're expecting stock on the 30th, this in the UK many vendors stated the same

[@dougcastle1785]

That sucks. Our Micro Center usually has 25+ in stock every week.

[@johndo1133]

The "X090" cards have replaced the Titan line for production professionals. As a professional, I would love to put 2 or 3 in my systems to speed up rendering. I hate the cost, but time is money

[@NetflixForeign]

Some of the V-RAM problem is they didn't properly optimize. That being said, with others, I believe they tried and just couldn't do it with 8 GB.

[@gruiadevil]

It's funny to me how people genuinely don't care that Intel is losing money per each GPU sold. Basically buying SOME market share. But in order to make a real splash it would have to sell millions of units, and they don't have the money for that. Not after their track record. Also I know. A consumer is a consumer. But a consumer will be a consumer 5-7 years in the future too, when he buys his new rig. So. He spent 50$ less today, getting a 250$ B580 instead of an RX7600XT, but in 7 years from now, he'll spend 500$ more on a 9060 because Intel went bankrupt and nVidia has 95% market share. Great choice!

[@whataboutbobyt]

Got my 9800x3d from MicroCenter and they still have stock. Its an instore purchase though.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Nice! Yes if you have a MicroCenter nearby that's clutch. My closest one is a 10 hour drive sadly

[@Dchapp22]

Would you recommend the 7700xt over the 6800? I found the 7700xt for $359.99? Seems like a great deal.

[@CrazO9111]

No 6800 ist better. More Vram and same Performance

[@Dchapp22]

@@CrazO9111 Alright, I just didn't know if there were any sales coming up with the rx6800 on sale since they went back up in price.

[@CrazO9111]

@@Dchapp22 Now i would wait till 8700XT. Better Raytraycing and maybe enable Pathtraycing for much less money.

[@A3r0XxLol]

9800X3D will ship early January according to Mindfactory. They changed it from late December yesterday.

[@dougcastle1785]

Do you live in the states? Almost every Micro Center has them in stock. I drive few hours for mine

[@FionatheFiend]

I was able to buy a 4090 on launch. Local retailers had a few in stock but did not sell out right away. There is a local computer retailer that opens at 10AM in my area. I checked in the morning and they had 5 in stock for the Gigabyte 4090 and a couple of Asus models. I went there at 11 and they still had all of them in stock. I'm hoping to get a copy of the 5090 at launch also. Only time will tell.

[@gntan83]

I think I read elsewhere that even though the 5060 and 5060Ti are using the same 128-bit memory bus as before, the bandwidth is going to be faster because of GDDR7. It will be interesting to see if the 5060Ti 16GB would then be a viable budget option for 1440p and for running AI stuff at a hobbyist level without having to spend a ton for the 5070Ti and above.

[@PCBuilderChannel]

Really looking forward to getting testing!

[@TheAcadianGuy]

Nvidia doesn't care 5090 is mostly for AI companies as they require more VRAM. The 5080s are just 5090s that were too defective to be ones. Nvidia makes HUGE profits as pc gamers would buy anything from them, regardless of the price, as people are ONLY good at complaining.

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

Pat Gelsinger also stopped the development of Beast core. That was supposed to make way for much more powerful processors as well as eventually something called rentable cores. The later was supposed to be a configurable design where the cores could be reconfigured by the users choice or by the programs demands. Don't know the details but apparently it could either be configured as a host of efficiency cores or something like for E-cores would be combined to act as a Performance core. This would make it possible to configure the processor for the current load of either a lot of light processes or configure it as only performance cores for a load of heavy processes. Now the reason Pat gave for stopping this development was interesting. Apparently Intel didn't need any faster cores. Rentable is apparently still an idea that is considered, but the real high performance was not necessary. Instead the resources that had been set aside for Beastcore was to be used for more AI core development. Now I have no idea how the reality of this development looked. The only thing I've heard was from a video where one of the guy's behind the Beastcore project claimed that the first stage was almost ready and they were almost ready to tape out the first Beastcore 1, but it would never be done now. Beastcore 2 which was to support Rentable cores had been pretty far in the development. But again, I have no idea about what the really happened with Beastcore or if it was as radical a performance increase as they claimed. Rumors are fun, but it's hard to sift the data and the signal to noise factor is really high.

[@Ghenesa]

I was huge fan of Intel since before 2000, but fact is i have still same MB with AMD since last purchase like 5 years ago and i have upgraded 3 CPU's......its just crazy better experience. And PC is actually still very good. The only bad thig is i had to stick to my original CPU in drawer just in case my Bios got corrupted, but with new MB where you can flash bios without CPU directly from USB....i cant see myself going back to intel. I'm just now buying new PC for Budget of 3000-4000k EUR (9800x3d is around 850 EURos in my country) and i could get cheaper Intel PC, but i just don't trust them anymore.

[@doomrott]

@17:40 This does not apply to people playing cpu heavy games such as total war, stalker, civ, eft, etc. You can see from this video that with a 4070, the difference between a 5700x3d and 7800x3d is ~20% (kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6mtlHZpptSVZtEsi=QtAnzE0x4IHPb6KD&t=301). In this video he is using a 4090 but the difference between the 9800x3d and the 7800x3d is ~30% (kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHW7dmNrh9OYpqs). This video shows a admittingly not great comparison between a 5600x and a 9800x3d with a 4070 super and at 4k he is showing double the fps (kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5OWnHyHqceXiqs). There is nothing wrong with going cpu heavy when we keep seeing popular games necessitate it.

[@Rushtallica]

I don't bother with getting in line for any brand new tech and most definitely NOT immensely expensive single components such as GPU's that might suddenly be outdated in a way within a couple years when replaced by another gen that has new technology or CPU's that are very hyped but could be plagued with massive problems related to production, etc... I came to the conclusion years ago that there's no need to have every bit of eye candy or 300 fps for a phenomenal cost when a perfectly decent gaming experience is readily available on far cheaper hardware (such as what I already have). There are far better things to invest money in than computer components that will quickly degrade in value, assuming that gear is not necessary for one's work and profit.

[@PipBoy3k]

"Developers aren't gonna spend the amount of time optimizing for PC that they did 12 years ago"...? Negative time Isn't possible, it's like a law of physics or something.

[@TeamFortressTwoGaming]

my rx580 has 8gb of vram, 5060 having only 8gb is an absolute joke

[@LoricSwift]

Those rx580's were absolute troopers, but I agree, 8gb barely cuts it today, and vram requirements are hardly going to decrease in the future.

[@xxivangel]

After so many hours of work and saving up, I got all my new pc parts (except for GPU) for a new build just sitting in my room, unable to be used atm. God I can't wait for this card to be released. My current GPU is an AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT...

[@jub_jub]

I am waiting for the 9800x3d even though it will be paired with a 4070 Ti Super and my reasoning is this - I primarily want to play CPU intensive MMO games. I am willing to wait for the 9800xd rather than pay the same amount (480ish) for an older 7800x3d

[@el.G.]

Do I need the 50 series? When can I still play any game on the 4070 ti super in ultra?

[@PCBuilderChannel]

"need" no, absolutely not

[@JoeyJoJoJr0]

At least wait for actual reviews lol! Why is there so much FOMO???

[@MOAB-UT]

About to build a PC but was not impressed with what was available- Intel has issues and AMD 7900 was about the best I could find without a super hot CPU. Do you think I am better off waiting for next gen. sometime in 2025? I heard there are some cool AI CPU's coming out as well and also better graphics cards. I feel like today's tech is not a big improvement over the last few years- not next gen yet. In some ways, went backwards, but prices went up. I would welcome your thoughts. I need a PC for some video and multi track music editing as well as basic productivity. I don't game much but I do want to run Cyberpunk 2077- the HD version looks sick.

[@DazednConfused0]

what time is the build happening on saturday, i keep missing them