EXCLUSIVE: Benchmarking The RTX 5090!

[@PcCentric]

FAQ - This was filmed at CES in an Nvidia briefing, embargoed until today. Full Review embargo is separate. Why can I post this? I asked if I could film and they said yes - no one else did, as far as I can tell. Does it use reflex 2? No, that's going to be a future release for esports titles only. FG does require Reflex 1 though

[@jamieferguson935]

Linus did this a few days ago. Same game too.

[@belec5964]

Wait, is it really just for esports titles only? I haven't heard about that.. If that's true then it's a shame :/

[@joen4287]

Cyberpunk with 4K RT Overdrive + DLSS Performance + RR + FG = 100+ FPS, 8-20ms (in-between) Latency [RTX 4090] Cyberpunk with 4K RT Overdrive + DLSS Performance + RR + FG = 200+ FPS, 35-40ms (in-between) Latency [RTX 5090] Just posting this for myself, Pls correct me if I'm wrong

[@kkmiroslaw]

@@joen4287 OF course not. Latency like 8-20 ms on 4090, is when the frame gen is OFF.

[@kyyyy21]

"The video isn't seen by Nvidia" if any Nvidia employee is watching this, please close your browser immediately.

[@lcg-channel]

LOL! I'm guessing it was OK'ed by NVIDIA, but they didn't restrict going into the settings and playing around with them, so I can't imagine they'll be taking him to court or anything. I'm guessing NVIDIA ok'ed this to counteract all the "fake frames" rhetoric (some of which I find pretty toxic and/or opportunistic) that has flooded KZbin and this video gives more context.

[@PcCentric]

@@lcg-channel Yeah they oked their demo, and changing the settings, but not showing temps or power usage. Basically they want the demo to be as public as possible, without inviting millions of people to their HQ

[@skyserf]

@@PcCentric What model monitor was that?

[@mikebellamy9052]

do you think nevidia dos t look their presentation, where they show everything by them self😅😂

[@nellynelson9387]

Will wait for a 4090 vs 5090 comparison with raw frames rather than dlss/Ai

[@PAIN-ot4cj]

the 5090 is 33% faster

[@aHungiePanda]

Just take the numbers here and compare it to a 4090 Cyberpunk 2077 Overdrive benchmark. RAW: 5090: 28-35 fps | 4090: 15-20 fps DLSS Q FG 2x: 5090: 110 fps | 4090 80fps

[@4evahodlingdoge226]

@@aHungiePanda So 80% more performance in ray tracing.

[@YoDefend]

Wooo UK person does the 5090 review!

[@AmanSingh-xk1me]

He passed Jensen a botta-of-woaa

[@diligencehumility6971]

A $2000 GPU only running CP2077 at 34 fps without fake frames.... impressive

[@SquishyBoi5463]

Genuinely unless they start making GPUs with larger sizes it will not get higher than 60 at 4k Path traced rendering. Unless there is an incredible leap in architecture of course.

[@extremedaemon]

I prefer 300 Fake frames compared to native 60

[@iko20101]

A test build of the 5090 while also Cyberpunk being the cutting edge game to look at makes sense. Cyberpunk isn't really made for optimization and if you are going to play on the highest of settings you can't without DDLS or FSR

[@drunkhusband6257]

Path traced games basically require dlss

[@MusicalWhiskey]

I think it actually averaged 27-28. Still quite a jump from the 4090's 21fps though. But yeah.....2000 bucks....sheesh.

[@AbysmalEnd]

4K native with path tracing and still hitting above 30fps is actually pretty insane especially on a beta build of the game and drivers.

[@12P14D22C]

people saying "8 fps more is nothing " forget that coming from 20-22fps its ... alot :D

[@wispa1a]

£€$ 1000 worth? ​@@12P14D22C

[@Lightwish4K]

And again not optimal drivers and prototype software 😱

[@Yadav-Creation]

That's ~ 160% of jump

[@KingsTexter]

NVIDIA said 5070 will perform like a 4090 after watching this video I don't think so

[@Mayeloski]

Not bad, but I think most of us are interested in the 70 or 80 class gpus, and how well will they do in 1440p and 4k

[@notwhatitwasbefore]

same as 40 series +5/10% based on SMs with a slightly better result in RT on than standard raster would be my asumption right now

[@B_Machine]

Indeed. Many of us have a QHD 180-240 Hz monitor.

[@XMatt5X]

@@B_Machine 180-240 wtf i'm still in 60

[@lsnexus2080]

@@Mayeloski actually interested with the difference of 5070 and 5070ti as compared to my current card 4070 Ti Super.

[@moise1545]

send me the card i can benchmark it too

[@madeinnola]

Sell it for a 2011

[@KLOWED]

sure thing lil bro

[@hmklg]

Yeah just send me your adress and your mums credit card information so I can ship it lmao.

[@JustoneAssassin]

Great video exactly what I wanted to see love how you were tweaking with the settings very informative! Any chance of a similar video for the rtx 5080?

[@PcCentric]

I spent too much time making this to try the other demos sadly

[@cobra2994]

Wow this may be one of the best videos I have seen from you!! I love how you went through many settings and even did a noise test on the card with a quiet enviroment this is way better than Linus's video on this!

[@nolan6137]

Thanks for going into the latency and not just being a fps fan boy. I really appreciate deeper dives like this and has answered many of my questions.

[@askalds]

The 5090 looks more like a 4090 Super tbh. We obviously has reached the limit of whats possible with todays hardware, which is why everything has been so focused on AI and FG.

[@pav1u]

Not really, you have ai cards that cost more than a mansion, its just cost cuts from nvidia and more profits

[@cowilo_]

@@pav1u I mean the entire reason they are introducing this AI stuff more is because we have almost hit the limit for raw performance without having to change the physical size of the GPU. You gotta realize they still have to be able to fit all this performance within something that will fit in a PC case. Since we have basically hit the physical limit they have to use AI to increase performance. DLSS and frame gen really are not that bad. DLSS is kinda rough depending on the game at 1080p but any resolution higher than that its not bad at all. Frame gen also is really good and completely unnoticeable at higher fps. You literally cannot see frame gen artifacts at 130fps or more from my personal testing.

[@cxngo8124]

Or maybe AI makes more money so more time and energy is being spent over there

[@GamingIntelCoreM-y]

Not really, its 30-40% more powerful than the previous gen, thats a generational gap improvement.Its just that the jump in power from 3090 to 4090 was unusually massive, but those kinds of generational gap ain't the norm.Damn some people are just ignorant🙄

[@PenguFKnight]

You aren't wrong. Majority of people still don't quite understand what NVIDIA is selling with the 50series. It's literally the AI capability. In other words the DLSS function. Honestly, we just have to see how AMD launches their GPU. I have a feeling even AMD will begin having FSR functions that only work with the later generation of GPUs. I'm pretty sure the neural generation for frames has something to do with the hardware. I could be wrong but my point stands; NVIDIA is selling DLSS 4, which are only available to the 50series.

[@imperium35769]

My 4090 has had x3 frame gen for everything with lossless scaling lol. Glad I dont have a reason to want to upgrade.

[@joelPallarosoNonone]

yeah its a good program and now with have te new version 3.0 of lossless scaling

[@younghentaii1772]

Most times if you have high end previous gen it’s kinda hard to switch, it’s for people that are 2 or 3 gens previous

[@zer0366]

lossless scaling is the best

[@FearfulEntertainment]

Lossless scaling for the win!!! At with lower latencies too!!!

[@wolikmich7518]

The fact is that 100 fps without MFG is better than 240 fps with MFG.

[@wispa1a]

£2000 for AI generated fuzz. Good for you Nvidia fan's.

[@mart8749]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="655">10:55</a> nice npc walking path there

[@aryanwizz554]

wht

[@outsidethepyramid]

I'm a 1998 Tomb Raider II guy, so I know that gameplay is the main consideration, like about 70% game design and gameplay. Graphics are great but there's a point of diminishing returns, like a glitch here and there makes rock all difference to the gaming experience. These GPUs are put on a pedestal and you think they will make you happy, but in actual fact is just way too expensive for 99% of the population.

[@PlayRoom.111]

Guys , it is fuCKing Cyberpunk at 4K with pathtracing, that 30fps is actually impressive , it only gets around 15 fps with the 4090 ! the jump is insane . I also wish the price was a litlle lower at 1700 or 1800 but I still think it is a very impressive card.

[@ItzMyTime___9]

yep finally someoneunderstands

[@genasgenas]

20 vs 28 fps

[@jackthetoiletbowlgamer]

I get it but the 5080 should hit 30 to 40 and the 5090 should of hit 50 to 60

[@PenguFKnight]

@@genasgenas let me put that into deeper perspective for you. That's a 40% improvement. And that's not even mentioning all the other functions like FrameGen and DLSS.

[@jackthetoiletbowlgamer]

We are being played. There should not be a 1500$ upcharge for 15 frames 😂

[@BRYAN.TAMPA.8]

Hello From Florida. Great job! Appreciate the different setting deep dive! 15 more days until launch!

[@BUDA20]

Reflex low latency is activated automatically with Frame Gen, but NOT if you disable frame gen, you will get less input lag with Reflex ON

[@crispycrusader1]

Yeah with reflex 2 the latency should be 1/4th of what he was seeing with frame gen off So 9-12ms

[@dastiffmeisterman]

Good video. You always seem to hit exactly the points real gamers want to know. You were also the only site I could find which benchmarked the 9800X3D at 4K showing it makes virtually no difference at that resolution, highly revealing and extremely useful for i9 users thinking of switching. Keep up the good work.

[@mishathasan6386]

We have come from good games to good graphics to good numbers. Crazy!

[@qb3540]

Thank you Centric for the benchmark with no bells and whistles

[@cidronsenburg7242]

You will notice the MFAA frame gen issue even more when it comes to a scenario with a lot of vegetation.

[@przemeksz8203]

the problem with relying on frame gen and not actual gpu power is that when a game does not have those options performance will be bad

[@ddogbeast9412]

That the video camera/shutter speed

[@vinidsr]

Nvidia is selling its own Loss Scaling, its marketing is impressive.

[@dsdraxgaming4240]

but has lower artifacts

[@Gregoses]

uncomparable, i use LS but its artifacting crazy and has bad latency, even at 2x

[@daunted232]

Where is a video where I can see them side by side?

[@nonideal]

Lossless scaling cannot compare. The amount of artifacting is highly substantial. DLSS Frame Generation is incredibly less artifacty

[@pav1u]

​@@Gregosescause your cpu is not strong enough, ive been using it on an x3d and 3090 flawlessly

[@20quid]

So basically, when you discount all of the AI slop, it's only marginally better than the previous generation?

[@FounderX9]

you do realize that "AI slop", is our future, right? AI is in everything, your phone, your TV, your car, any piece of modern tech uses AI because its a million times better and more efficient.

[@jxslayz6663]

Greatly better than my 2080 ti on my 4k 32" Oled

[@NeroRedgraveXIII]

Yep round about 30% from 4090 to 5090 in terms of Raw Power.

[@aoikemono6414]

That was known for over a year now. People estimated 30% and it's in line with that. Raster performance increases has been driven primarily by shrinking the die, and there have been no major gains in that front for years now. The question is, why are you discounting DLSS and frame generation? They aren't anymore fake than the simulated 3D figures and light particles you see on your screen. It's literally all fake.

[@shagal2142]

@@NeroRedgraveXIII Dude F your raw power!!! How manny times you anime f boys wanna ride around on that dead horse? pathetic.

[@SeanSR]

Its amazing that you need fake frames to get high fps but if you want the best quality you have to settle for sub 30fps. People are gonna pay money for this.....

[@Dachopper_]

It’s utterly insane

[@leoutriainen]

I feel like you should've explained that PC latency isn't the same thing as frametimes, since that seems to be a common misconception and something there was tons of outrage about on Reddit.

[@daunted232]

That could be it's own video.

[@Sp3cialk304]

100 percent I can't stand when I see people say they are getting 16-17ms of latency when at 60fps. They literally don't understand that they are looking at only the frame time and not the total system latency.

[@GhosTigre]

Glazing over fake frames is crazy.

[@LEK]

Yapping the same stuff as every other hater is crazy

[@HirXeBomb]

Thanks for the video, I for one will stick with my 40 series card, I can''t be bothered to pay more for better fake fps. I hope 1 day the native side will be upgraded!!!!!

[@Hottiechika010]

fr

[@cxngo8124]

And lossless scaling does the same job for you without making you bankrupt

[@ijustyap]

that latency is actual amazing with mfg, completely changes my perspective on this card

[@visserin]

mfg?

[@evgenydemin8782]

That's pc latency, not input lag. Shooters will never be playable with FG cuz of input lag

[@chamuditharajapaksha]

@@visserin multiple frame generation

[@Mayeloski]

@@visserin my freaking god

[@supta2110]

Yeah its amazing

[@WhyNotGaming1]

30 fps with path tracing is legit good tbh. I would still wait for raw offline rendering benchmarks though.

[@Yanto-rv1qu]

What did the vents smell like? Or is that under embargo?

[@kevo300]

Smells like Jensens 9k leather jacket he wore

[@PcCentric]

Money leaving your bank account

[@PAIN-ot4cj]

just remember when you get that 400 fps with frame gen on your game will still feel like 30 fps

[@lsnexus2080]

Depends on your base frame rate. If you have 60+ framerate without frame gen then you’re fine turning it on. But if your fps is below 60 before framegen then you’re fucked up.

[@PAIN-ot4cj]

@ very true but I was referring to this example in video in particular

[@EFUwazurike]

Does anyone actually play the game? Get into a gunfight, with explosions and particles flying. Why are we just standing at an intersection? There is no purpose praising the latency if you’re not showing the conditions in which the latency needs to be good.

[@genasgenas]

Game is fk flickering with Frame gen. We see it.

[@AshtonCoolman]

It's faster than a 4090 while native rendering with path tracing enabled, but not by much. DLSS means we're NOT rendering at native resolution, and it can't get decent frames without it. This isn't a huge jump in REAL performance over a 4090. It's just a huge jump in software crutches to make things appear faster. I have a 4090, but my personal rule is to not upgrade until a GPU is 50% faster in native rendering performance. Good native performance plus the software crutches will enhance the experience far more. I'll save up $3000 for that 6090 I guess😂

[@TheArchitect4K]

Nice video mate. Should have tried without RT and without DLSS/ frame gen !

[@theotherLewbowski]

Thanks for this comment. Now I know not to watch this shit. Did he really not test native res😂😂😂

[@TheArchitect4K]

@theotherLewbowski no no, he did. Native, but full RT. I was interested in native, no RT 😅 but the other tests he made were good, watch it !

[@XMatt5X]

true

[@PAIN-ot4cj]

If nvidia didn't soft lock the 40 series with the new MFG x4 there would be really no difference

[@lolohasan6424]

Before 5090 was released, I said that 5090 will be %30 better than 4090 on raw performance. This is a nvidia sale strategy.

[@SquishyBoi5463]

I can't wait for the side by side of the 9070XT and 5070, if they are in the same price bracket I'll probably pick the one with the best raster performance within reason, if it's close NVidia features will probably make the difference, this is going to be an incredible generation for mid range competition and a horrible one for mid range value

[@VeeHausen]

Me too.

[@LeafyTheLeafBoy]

nah no matter what i'll still pick Nvidia for the sole reason off... Ray tracing is the future and no matter what its here to stay DLSS is superior and you'll still use FSR even at 9070XT DLSS Transformer heck i rather choose Intel over AMD because of AI too

[@MrEditorsSideKick]

@@LeafyTheLeafBoy FSR 4 looks very similar to DLSS tho, I hope AMD finally fixes their upscaler (only took them 4+ years😅).

[@supta2110]

Amd 😅😂, better pick nvidia 😅

[@deltagaming5005]

This is exactly where my mind is right now. Totally agree with you. I do want a little bit of future proofing though so I may just shut my eyes and click "buy" on the 5080 because of the increased vram.

[@DeathDeclined]

wouldn't that latency be horrible for multiplayer games tho?

[@dechrysoph5298]

Yes exactly this feature is only good if you want to play story games

[@housebywill1715]

Thought this was Scott the Woz, I should wear my glasses more

[@HobosLifez]

From the thumbnail I thought Scott the Woz start reviewing pc now 😂😂😂

[@DavidFregoli]

Latency does not change much because even if you do 4x you still only need to hold on to one frame

[@keanu3260]

Why exactly are we on a beta version of a game that has been out for years?

[@filthyrando3632]

There's an update scheduled to release with dlss update and release of the 5090. This is an early build of that update.

[@toddthegod3221]

very informative straight to the point. thank you

[@yohanswet3770]

You can test the VR effect and see how much improvement there is from 24G to 32G video memory. Because VR cannot use functions such as AI and DLSS, you can only see the original improvement.

[@pistopit7142]

This is not true. DLSS works in VR. What does not work is frame generation. That said multi frame generation in 50 series cards might actually work in VR because it is a different AI based technology.

[@lcg-channel]

Thanks! This along with the digital foundry video gives us quite a lot of info about DLSS4 and how it performs, looks and feels. I'm pretty excited about it. I will be upgrading to 5080 (I assume) for single player full RT games, so anything around 50ms PC latency feels fine to me. I will be using it with a big OLED 4K TV with 144 Mhz, so I would probably aim for around 50 base fps and use 3X frame gen to get to just below 144 fps. I'm guessing it will look and feel pretty good. I am the type of player these cards and DLSS4 are aimed at. Call those interpolated frames fake or whatever you want, but they work for my use case.

[@daunted232]

From a benchmark I looked on youtube, the 4090 with dlss performance and same settings, was 65-70fps. Of course not a strict like for like test, but same game same settings, in a semi populated part of town.

[@Gameslove3500]

Thanks! RTX 5090 is amazing. Please, if possible make 8K resolution tests, you can use your 4K monitor by enabling a DSR in drivers settings.😊

[@Musyaaaa]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="764">12:44</a> you need to disable path tracing so that the standard RTX settings appear

[@stefantomas]

Can't wait to see this with the Reflex 2 Frame Warp. Provided Frame Warp is compatible with Frame Gen.

[@matt1999999999]

So there is no difference in performance between rtx 4090 and rtx 5090 in cyberpunk with frame generation off?

[@everything.5180]

ALMOST

[@Usersf134ssk]

But but multi frame! X4 x4!!!

[@katlee8778]

Haha

[@firstname9845]

@@matt1999999999 the 4090 got like 21 average I think

[@shagal2142]

Question is...who cares? your raw performance is a dead horse, keep on moving! Times are over for raw performance and they aint commin back.

[@TechSid-hn6eg]

I mean it has definitely improved thats for sure, Also i wanted to see Absolutely Max Settings + Ultra Ray Tracing ( No path tracing ) + DLSS 3, i wanted to see how much of a performance gain we can see. If this card can do consistent 1% low at 50-60fps that would be truly awesome

[@michigantoga]

Thanks.... Much needed video

[@bigmike3718]

I want to see 4090 vs 5090 native! NO frame gen or upscaling

[@id104335409]

Artifacting in modern games is mostly because of bad game optimization thanks to Unreal 5. I don't think even the best AI right now can fix a bad looking game.

[@BockworschtSoldier]

I will use my 3090 with upscalers. It can still spill out decent framerates.

[@MardyArcher]

I just bought a 4090 ASUS ROG Strix OC under MSRP £1500, because Double the frames with standar FG with all the other improvements is fine by me, with 24GB vram, and likely better rasterised performance than the 5080, similar RT performance. Im happy "needed a 4k card due to monitor upgrade". Now people are going to say im daft, but i get 8gb more vram and the 5090 will likely sell for more than 2k. :) This video is great btw, but I would say that MFG is abit of a gimick at the moment. As you're still gona feel the game at 60fps and playing Cybar punk at 90fps with lower latency and better visuals, makes way more sense due to it being basically an RPG, with great visuals and feel. I'm probably going to be excited for the 70 series cards (even before i got a 4090), when the 7090 can do 80 fps doing pathtracing without the support and everything is more clear with 20x MFG lol. I do think that MFG is in the right direction though, but they need to significantly improve RT performance across the cards, so I'm a little underwelmed atm. As eventually all games will be RT as standard. Much like animation has been for years.

[@fredEVOIX]

you did well because I predict the 5090 will be 3000 in real life what people forget is that we went from a "gaming" card to a "gaming+video encoding+3d rendering+crypto+AI" card most of those other occupations generate money instead of just costing it, and what's different this time is that's it's an AI card spun off as gaming tech not the other way around, so AI people will buy as many of these they can if you can buy one at an acceptable price before 2026 I would be very surprised

[@Xdc69Clips]

I am still waiting for 4090 vs 5070 . Let's see if it is true or not

[@MassimoCivita]

Ahah of course NO! Only DLSS and IA! 12 giga vs 24 dude! More cuda also! Only Marketing!

[@DaAlphaDawg]

it's not.

[@Cosmic-emptyvoid]

With ai power

[@DerYoshij]

nvidia calls FPS performance. Which would be correct. But only rasterization. They count their fake frames in aswell. So the ACTUAL performance is nowhere NEAR a 4090. theres no use hoping

[@notwhatitwasbefore]

Based on SMs 5070 is a 4070 maybe a 4070s with more AI

[@Jpwinks]

I'll wait for the 6000 series 😅

[@setone28ua]

No video without ray tracing, it would be curious to see how much fps ray tracing actually eats from raw rendering

[@Venomynous]

50ms in a single player game when pretty much stood still is poor, and adding 50ms plus to a multiplayer game competitively is the difference between winning and loosing...

[@Komedykid]

you arent going to be using frame gen in a competitive game

[@CaioHagge-ve9nk]

It's not adding 50ms. The whole PC latency is 50ms. No frame gen will still have some PC lat and the difference will be lower as your frame rate goes higher

[@lynasan8657]

you aren't going to use frame gen in a esports game x2, because you would already have huge amount of fps because you won't be at maximum graphics nor with rtx, because esports don't work like that. Infact, you probably won't even need dlss if you are playing on low settings just so you have the maximum amount of fps.

[@voodooactual8053]

@@lynasan8657 No one will be using Frame gen in esports because fake frames don’t count on mouse inputs. So that right there will be a massive handicap during a competitive game match.

[@SchepInza]

you wouldnt play a multiplayer game on path tracing and 4k

[@Tectosaurus]

The only thing good coming from the 50 series is that every RTX card out there is getting DLSS improvements too.

[@RurouTube]

The more you add generated frames, the higher the latency is, but at infinite MFG, the additional latency, assuming perfect scaling (as in generating the frame have 0 cost), will be similar to the cost of rendering a frame. So a 60fps game will have a max latency penalty of 16.7ms (1s divided by 60) assuming you're using infinite MFG. The main contributor for the latency is not the processing cost but the fact that it needs to delay showing the real frame because the need for frame pacing and interpolation. If you search the internet about FSR3 GPU Open, you can see why it introduce additional latency. Basically the game engine render a frame but instead of being shown, it is being hold by half the frame time (assuming it is the normal FG) and then when a new frame is ready being displayed, the game doesn't display that new frame but use that frame + previous frame for interpolation and present the generated frame. The actual new frame will be hold for around half the frame time and you repeat this process. Because the game holding the real frame for half the frame time, normal FG will have an additional 8.3ms for a game with 60fps base frame rate. For 4X MFG, instead of half, it hold the real frame for around 3/4 of the actual frame time, meaning 16.7ms * 0.75 = 12.5ms additional latency or around 4ms higher latency vs 2X FG. Again, all this numbers doesn't take into account the time needed for the game to process the generated frame, but as you can see, while yes, more generated frames add latency, but the subsequent latency increase will be smaller vs the initial latency increase from 2X frame gen. Basically if you're not bothered with the increased latency from 2x frame gen, 4x frame gen shouldn't bother you in terms of added latency unless we are talking about really low base frame rate.

[@isaacteamdiaz9028]

this generation of tech will be studied in marketing textbooks its incredible how many people fall for marketing traps

[@CallMeRabbitzUSVI]

Yep, living through it is pretty pathetic

[@Sp3cialk304]

Almost as wild as people who thought they where doing real time rendering at "native" resolution at any point in the last 20 years. Like their screen wasn't covered with half and quarter res lighting, shadows, reflections, post processing, ECT that's blurred together by TAA.

[@SpaceRanger187]

so its a 180ti with dlls 4

[@Lightwish4K]

Marketing? Bro the 5090 are a powerhouse !

[@Cons2911]

It would be interesting if the latency would be obvious in fighting games. Would be nice to see top players try it

[@Upscale_King]

What were the temps like? Under 80C?

[@oligerolsen2533]

Why didn't you tested 4k native res without frame gen, with dlaa or not at all, no dlss, no PT and RT and max settings?

[@cristit9328]

now if only we had some good (not even dreaming of great) games coming up

[@markus.schiefer]

The "fake frames" discussion reminds me of the mp3 discussion back when it was invented in the late 90s or later the DLSS controversy. The only questions that everyone should ask themselves: Is it looking good enough for you in a realistic scenario, i.e. when playing and not freeze frame comparison, can I actually benefit from it, and is it worth the money? With a 4090 and a 120Hz 4k HDR display it's definitely not worth it for me, especially since MFG needs to be supported by the game. Regarding support, requirement and "impressiveness", It's also quite telling that Nvidia has to use a 4 year old game to show off their latest features...

[@sinephase]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="340">5:40</a> - caught it jumping to 72ms LOL

[@pistopit7142]

One big question: does MFG works in VR?

[@notwhatitwasbefore]

Bigger question is will you want it to? more frames that are not from inputs would I think increase disorientation not reduce it but I dont VR due to motion sensitivity issues with it

[@pistopit7142]

@@notwhatitwasbefore It's not the matter of want. It's necessary to achieve 90fps per eye where each eye is 4k resolution. IT is impossible without frame generation. Upscaling from DLSS only helps a little. Chance people play at 60-70 fps on their 4090 and swear at it because current frame generation technology in 40 series does not work in VR.

[@gatgat00tweed78]

I run 120hz at ultra settings 400mb on a 4070 ti super. I would assume the best gpu will run it even better lol. ​@pistopit7142

[@Twitch_Moderator]

*I'm not shocked that the hardware ONLY on the 5090 achieving 60-ish fps on Psycho settings in CP2077. Using framegen is great for the user, but it is not a proper benchmark standard. It is a technology FEATURE. So, thank you for disabling it for us.* 😊👍

[@Goblue734]

What a joke

[@funke24]

How

[@johnhaslam3480]

Do you have any idea how intensive path tracing actually is

[@funke24]

@johnhaslam3480 do in yes! That's why I think the dlss stuff is good we are at a scientific hault we cant make smaller processes right now until we change completely how we make processors

[@johnhaslam3480]

@@funke24 Yes I agree, I am replying to the original post

[@Zimzephyr]

Me watching this on a 4k 240hz ultragear *scratches head*

[@ryanspencer6778]

When path tracing is on it replaces all the other RT options so they're not shown. Turn PT off and the RT options will be visible.

[@parioceanchicago]

And here we go. KZbinrs talking about a product that 4% of all gamers can afford.

[@Soddus.]

why dont they just use AI to create stronger gpus instead of using it to create fake frames

[@daunted232]

So are you for or against ai, it's mixed messaging.

[@carlotulio3411]

currently a transistor is 20 times smaller than a virus, that's why it's very difficult

[@Soddus.]

@ im for ai creating better hardware not fake frames

[@onlyadel1388]

Finally i can fully utilize my 4k 240hz oled monitor !

[@NoSkillsBro.]

what u need for a single game 280 fps?My god these kids today

[@onlyadel1388]

@ why not? I work hard for my money and i have it thank god so i switched to 4k in 2019 and since then i want more and more

[@kingghidorah8106]

i miss when nvidia made everything for computer arts to run smoother by implementing gpu acceleration (CUDA, OptiX, RTX) and now they middle fingered us by capping memory pooling and switching to AI bs.

[@najsbajsmedmajs]

The difference between the 5080 annd 5090 is smaller than the difference between the 4080 and 4090 was yet the price difference has doubled.

[@touchingevil2302]

This 5000 series is a huge disappointment sadley.

[@FounderX9]

It's actually not.

[@ployth9000]

the review embargo is lifted on January 24th can you show us benchmarks without dlss ?

[@Gloryboycruz]

I will stick with my 4070ti i got for $550 😅

[@MarkoPx]

what CPU is the rig running?

[@VoidBass6412]

DUDE fire video BUT... why u didnt turn EVERYTHING off, including the path tracing?? no DLSS, no Pathtracing, no Frame gen ? you have any info in mind how many FPS u got ??

[@Eusebiugh]

Dlss performance, that make 1080p render? or less?

[@radofenix]

That’s my monitor !

[@JordanKL1]

latency higher than 60fps, no thank you. Latency matters more than fps for most people.

[@awaken5622]

A eso súmale la latencia que tienen los juegos multijugador.

[@yan_dj]

Yes! Can't wait for the 5070 benchmarks Not that I plan on upgrading my 3060Ti that shit is godlike, I'm just hyped to see side by side 4090 vs 5070 both using DLSS & anything else at their disposal

[@alcontv4133]

I've seen enough, I'll be buying the 5090, in 5 or 6 years in used condition 💪💪

[@neilseeth]

2000$ my left kidney hurts 😭

[@nhbjhbbhbhgvb]

Was the new reflex 2 enabled during all of this?

[@shrederman9838]

nooo I need you and everyone else to stay pessimistic so I can get one on the 30th!

[@PssupplementreviewsbyPete]

If they'd give the same functionality to older gen GPUs this wouldn't be very impressive. I think that Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus will give these a quite a chew.

[@carlotulio3411]

The 4000 will not have mult generation but will have an improvement in normal frame generation performance, the 3000 and 2000 will have no frame generation but will have all the other improvements for image quality

[@PssupplementreviewsbyPete]

@@carlotulio3411 It might be that older gen truly lacks the AI power to generate these new features, but mostly I think that lack of them are used as marketing and sales tactics. Sure are excited for better image quality Transformer DLSS for my 3090. Being able to set a lower render resolution without losing too much image quality might really help a lot to reach wanted FPS in certain games.

[@EvenMoreEvan]

It's still around a 30% performance increase from the 4090. People are too stuck on only 30fps. I don't think dlss 4 is a bad thing, I think people are jumping on the fake frame bandwagon. There is more to all of this that the tech reviewers can't say yet I'm sure.

[@VoidBass6412]

was nvidia reflex 2 active while testing?