Time to re-think your top end bike purchase? Framework first look.

[@PeakTorque]

Am interviewing FW next week regarding the design choices of the frame, including the bonded lugs, CNC processing, tube making, BB choice etc, failure modes etc. Fever of anticipation to see how this holds up to a winter of corrosion. Bit of background as this was a very quick video: Jon and I initiated this frame idea over a year ago. He offered to make one for the channel allowing me free reign on the geo. No money swapped hands - his and Elyse’s man hours of labour all poured in for free so I am forever grateful for that, i just paid the import duty! Cant wait to build this up and for me I envisage it as the ultimate road bike for my use case.

[@paulschmidtke425]

@@PeakTorque it's a stunning looking frame I'll give you that

[@joelr3189]

Beauty! could you ask him about the dimensioning of the custom parts? is he running fem for each design or does he include enough safety margin so it works for all the designs? What about stiffness tests of bb, headset, ...

[@Pauleuh]

@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786 it shows how you just flew over what Framework does. Have a great day and take the time to read a little bit next time.

[@CycleXplorer]

Looks so interesting and different!

[@PeakTorque]

@@MrAntiShill this is not a paid review, the frame was sent for free. That is all. What is your problem? Dont be salty gramps, why cant i do show and tell? Are you jealous? You dont like, dont watch. Unsubscribe 🤡

[@klein-concept]

And I was so naive thinking I dont need another bike. I was so wrong. ❤️‍🔥

[@nilsholz5168]

Das ist doch gelogen Michael. Einerseits willst du immer was neues und anderer seits bringen "new bike day" Videos die Klicks.

[@klein-concept]

@@nilsholz5168 naja mit dem Bossi bin ich so happy dass ich nicht wirklich an ein weiteres bike gedacht habe. Bis ich das gesehen habe. Klar bringen new bike day videos clicks aber für mich ist der kanal nur ein hobby ganz ohne druck.

[@Ih8GoogleandApple]

Saw this bike in person at Made bike show. Guy definitely loves his work and deserves attention when his creations are pure functional artwork.

[@krollpeter]

This is one of the most beautiful fames out there in the world, regardless of its technicalities. Bring beauty and simplicity back to bike frames ... skip these clumsy carbon lumps.

[@Flako-dd]

great now i want a framework Laptop AND bicycle.

[@ridesofjapan]

That is slick!!! 🤌

[@nuttynut722]

its too heavy for ya

[@GuidoGabriele]

I like this content better than picking fights with other KZbinrs.

[@gabeh7655]

John is a great guy to learn from on instagram. As a relatively fresh mechanical engineer, I've asked him multiple questions over DM's and he's always thorough in his responses. You can tell he's obsessed with what he does and I was super excited to see this upload!

[@cobraframebuilding]

Damn, jealous. I love your enthusiasm, too. I'm proud to have made the Titanium top cap he ships on the bikes.

[@slowridr]

At last someone who shares my views on seat tube angles 😂 I’ve always preferred being up and over the BB rather than sitting way back like a 60s racer. Can’t wait to see this built up.

[@glennmcfarlane5513]

I live a few minutes from Framework. I am really glad to see a local receiving more attention. The frames look great.

[@DP-PhD]

Beautiful frame. Reminds me of a 1980's Alan Record Carbonio. That was a gorgeous bike too!

[@10ktube]

I'm jealous on many levels. Can you weigh it just for kicks? I'm curious what the "terrible" weight penalty is that the bike industry says exists for stuff like this, vs their mass produced mistakes. So cool.

[@ferventheat]

Indeed. I'm guessing less than 1.5 pound/0.75 kilo mark. For what you want, with everything custom including stem length and Garmin mount, with ideal seat position and BB drop, wont make a difference on TT and may even be better for climbing.

[@Shadowboost]

​@@ferventheat get a negative offset post. Problem solved

[@rosomak8244]

@@ferventheat It never occurred to you that there is a reason one can't find any weight information about this contraption?

[@GCPerformance18]

That is the coolest bike I have seen in a while!! Really cool video

[@PeakTorque]

Just remember to call Chris Harris a grifter when he gets the next gt3rs in to test

[@GCPerformance18]

@@PeakTorqueI think I’m mentally not all there because I don’t know what that means

[@edboy_1]

Your engineering content is top notch, i learnt so much from you that i put in practice multiple times over the last few years. The small things, ultimately, are the crucial ones when it comes to bike geometry and biomechanic angles for efficient bike interaction. Looking at it with some experience and hours spent experimenting and learning up, one of my pet peeves must be people obsessed with post setback offset and saddle aft like it "has" to be part of the bike setup at all costs not to jeopardize your "center of gravity" and handling on the bike. Sure one could say it looks more ordinary and eye-pleasing, but arguments such as "balance point" and "pressure on wrists" (lol, keep running those 150mm seat-to-handlebar drops instead) without ever considering pedaling/body mechanics and the angles pop mass manufacturers work with on their edr slanted-top-tube bikes makes them look wild to me. Seeing anything under 73 is already questionable enough. But looking and some geo charts from top brands and seeing them lower the seat angle as the frames get bigger is just cringe worthy. Not only you get a worse geo, but you also have to factor in the higher overall seat height which compounds to ungodly amounts of setback behind the BB that no 'XL' legs can comfortably make up for. As if they had not the slightest idea. Might not be noticeable enough to the average joe on flat, but pushing the pedals on the climbs with a properly fore-set saddle with perhaps a degree or two of decline might just be one of the best feelings oh the bike, coming from a compromised sub-optimal "guideline-setup". Cool to see small but Anal manufacturers being showcased;) Thanks Pt

[@jamesheath4845]

As a taller guy with longer arms and torso, and proportionally long femurs, I get what you're saying completely, and couldn't disagree more :-) Give me high BBs, slack seat tubes and long, slammed front ends any day, none of this t-rex BS 🙂 In all seriousness, though, it would be great to see brands offer half the number of spec levels/colours, in double the number of geometry options. Trek used to offer two fits in all their race bikes, and I would love to see another brand start to do that again, maybe even taking it further. There could be one with lower BB, steeper seat angle, shorter reach, higher stack and longer chainstays for the t-rexs, and one with higher BB, slacker seat angle, longer reach, shorter stays and lower stack for the dachshunds. Then I might be able to stop having to buy 150mm stems and layback seatposts...

[@emiltenbarge9735]

I totally agree with you. Im a taller rider with 90cm inseam and short torso and have been begging for steep seat angles and short top tubes.

[@leetindell2429]

Quality craftsmanship, functionality, and beauty. Gets me drooling. Love to see all the different builds

[@tadhgman7tm623]

These guys are local to me and they’re such a pleasure to interact with, you can tell just how much they obsess over the fundamentals and build off of it

[@davidnicholson6680]

I have admired these frames on Instagram for years. The amount of thought and work that goes into then is astonishing. The finished product also looks amazing and will likely be very durable.

[@rickrichardson1141]

As a fellow Canadian and having had my eye on Framework since the beginning I’m ecstatic to see you being impressed. So looking forward to your interview

[@colingrover2039]

100% agree with the steeper seat tube angle. I am 6'6". I had a Battaglin San Luca made a few years ago with geometry based off a 63cm CAAD10 but incorporating a 74 degree STA and a 72.5 degree HTA. I run a zero-offset seatpost with my saddle mounted mid-rail. It really helps me keep my hip angle open when I am in the drops, especially with my 180mm *gasp horror* K-Force Light cranks. Couldn't get this geometry any other way than custom.

[@simoncarter8763]

That looks really good. Those rear brake mounts as part of the chain stay seat stay interface should be spot on square and flat. Building that up for you as an engineer should be a joy rather than constantly have to sort out problems by tapping and facing. Well done.

[@treyquattro]

totally agree on the relatively slack seat tube angles on larger frames - something that has bugged me for a while looking for a new frame

[@catchthedream1142]

Very beautiful piece looks very durable can’t wait to see it put together

[@paulstuart9465]

I always admire high quality engineered products. It's sad that they're so rare. Looking forward to your build and ride experience.

[@luigibrioschi970]

This looks like a weird crossbreed between a modern all-integrated frame and a 1970s clean round tubed steel frame, and I love it. Can't wait to see more of it!

[@caerffili_callin]

Fascinating looking frame, would be interested to learn more about the bonding process more than anything.

[@barendandrebooyens937]

Looks like my CADEX CFR1 in 1995. Must say it was a fantastic bike, hope this bring you joy.

[@antoinedoinell]

most of us don't need the aero and marginal weight savings but all of us can appreciate sensible design and quality manufacturing

[@PeakTorque]

Exactly

[@rosomak8244]

We don't need the "aero", but the non marginal weight savings are worth it.

[@lechprotean]

@@rosomak8244 most studies actually show the oppposite - even heavier aero bikes outperform lighter 'climbing' bikes even on moderate climbs (if you've got hte legs for it of course). Also for me a bike with metal inserts and round carbon tubes does not make sense - either go full titanium (a lot cheaper recently) or if you use CF you can mould a more interesting / aero shape. Anyway that's just me and I still appreciate the engineering.

[@rosomak8244]

@@lechprotean Yes most studies are shilling in disguise. To anyone who rides endurance rides weight matters. Shapes are not just about "aero" they are about static rigidity too.

[@Omnis2]

Not sure why my comment was removed. All I said was FW was awesome and Jon is very generous with his time to answer any questions or respond to comments. One of my favorite engineering pages

[@PeakTorque]

No comments removed here!

[@Omnis2]

@@PeakTorquemaybe it didn’t post to begin with… Weird! Anyway, can’t wait to listen to the interview.

[@jevgeniardassov]

Congrats. That thing looks amazing, true engineering piece of art. Can’t imagine that with Bronze lugs. Too bad I can’t afford it. ✌️👍

[@krider7296]

I am so happy for you. Thank you for sharing this with all of us.

[@michaelmechex]

Finally, someone who understands bike geometry! You know, after you reviewed that Yoeleo and critised it's geometry, I delved deep into this topic. It seems to me like most brands have no idea what they're doing, see everyone do 72° head and seat angles and just copy it. I ended up designing my own gravel frame. I got to similar conclusions to you, but went a bit bolder. 78° seat angle, 67° head angle, 90mm bb drop and front center long enough to avoid toe overlap. It's the best handling bike I've ever ridden! Maybe the difficult thing about geometry is that each of these decisions is done for a reason and if you don't understand how they change the handling you won't be able to combine them into a good result.

[@PeakTorque]

Having ridden many many bikes over the years and my favourite climbers being modern mtb hardtails im pretty sure i want the steeper sta.

[@michaelmechex]

@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786 it can do sharp turns just fine. I never understood this need for sharp steering, because what feels very quick at low speed, is wobbly and dangerous at higher speed. This bike performs all the steering inputs I need and none that I don't. My previous bike was completely out of control on loose gravel at 40 km/h, on this one I can go 50 just fine with my forearms horizontal for aerodynamics. Also, steering 'speed' has nothing to do with actual straight line speed.

[@jaro6985]

How can you lean into a turn with 90mm bb drop?

[@michaelmechex]

@@jaro6985 quite well actually, since I use 54mm tires and small xpedo pedals. I rode it quite hard on mtb trails and haven't clipped a pedal or chainring.

[@jaro6985]

@@michaelmechex Interesting, guess I need bigger tires.

[@henrikerdland578]

According to lowering the bottom bracket I totally agree with you. Focus Izalco max has a very low bottom bracket. In my opinion this has to be one of the most aerodynamic bikes when including the rider.

[@imrevadasz1086]

Gorgeous frame. The aluminum lugs contribute a lot to the classic look. And at the same time truly a super-/hyper-bike.

[@CatManDoSocial]

That is very impressive. I don't usually care for the mixed materials on a frame but that is stunning. I also love that it's not 3D printed. I do not like that look and what John has done with the machining is lovely. Congratulations, Alex. That is one amazing frameset. I will put Framework on my short dream list.

[@PeakTorque]

Lets see how it rides first and stands up to the winter of corrosion 😮

[@CatManDoSocial]

@@PeakTorque You make a fair point. Pragmatic as usual. That's why I'm here.

[@ianwatkins890]

Absolutely Gorgeous, looking forward to more coverage on this gem

[@elbowspeak]

One day I will own one of these bikes. When I first saw John show off one of his bike at MADE in PDX last year, I was hooked ❤

[@joaojuliomello6223]

Man, his work has been my dream come true for a while now, I follow ALL of his posts on Instagram, it's a shame that his level of precision isn't the industry standard.

[@davidward4329]

Impressive bike frame builder . Now about seat post angles , I am totally on the same page . So I got my frame builder to coverts my track bike to a road . Had to take both seat and chain stay out . And put new in . Was happy with the original stays . Only runs 25 mm tire. Sweet as . Swap the straight Track fork to early tcr fork . Also 180 mm cranks . Most rider over looks center of gravity . . Canadian know there Bikes. Enjoy your videos 👍

[@global_nomad.]

looking forward to seeing more of this...had looked a lot at Bastion a few years ago including seeing one with the uk agent. 3d printed titanium lugs and custom carbon tubes. We have become so conditioned to what big brands do to generate consumption and profit, that it is often difficult to step back and absorb things which have been created from re-evaluating starting principles as you've done with this frame.

[@Antoine_Frs]

Ok, this is nuts. If your interview with Jon hasn’t been recorded yet, I’d love a focus on how he tunes the frame to get the right rigidity for each customer. Does it mainly come from the lugs size, or are there other tricks like carbon layup or joint size ? I’ve been following the channel for quite few years now, and appreciate how special this frame would be for you. Enjoy that bike Alex !

[@PeakTorque]

Not interviewed yet. Same concerns i had. He added some 0 deg manually to these tubes manually to up the stiffness for me as im heavier rider.

[@martinkroutil]

Absolutely love it. Silver and black is the best colour scheme for bike :).

[@patrickarchibald6787]

I completely agree with your comments about seat tube angle, on nearly every bike I've owned the seatube angle seems too slack, and I have to buy a zero setback seatpost and even then I have to slam the seat as far forward as it will go. For example, my latest bike, a 2022 Revolt advanced, I had to do this. Being so far behind the bottom bracket means you use your hamstrings more and can cause tightening up of the lower back muscles. Being further forward I am using my quads more and seem to be able to produce more power. It just seems like a more natural position.

[@derx6666]

I so like my 2024 BMC Roadmachine with the 74.2 degree seattube and 75mm BB drop. I know it's heavy (but so am I, so relatively speaking is not that big of a deal). But it's the nicest bike I've ever tried.

[@swites]

Looks a great frame. Love the stem and the recessed top bolts! Looks incredible. Being 5ft11 with a 6ft3 armspan and legs to match can relate with the usual bike geo. Hard getting anything that feels right. I'm a fan of steep seat tubes,inline seatposts with rails all the way forward and I hate layback posts! Now I know why.

[@rudyardroxas4586]

Immaculate bottom bracket shell.

[@deepanjanghoshcalcutta]

I'm currently riding a custom bike with a 74.5° STA, 70° HTA and 80mm BB drop. Rides better than any off the shelf bike I've been on.

[@ultraromance]

fav stuff going on right now --- bonkers --- can't wait to see your build!

[@zkampyman]

I am very excited for you. I love the low bottom bracket.

[@eugenedreyer4805]

Absolutely gorgeous, but what really appeals is that individual bits can be replaced if damaged, so no need to ditch the whole frame if something unfortunate occurs.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

If they're in business which is a huge risk with small builders. That said, most damage will be reperable vs needing replacement tubes

[@eugenedreyer4805]

@@veganpotterthevegan Yes, always risky dealing with small companies, but I personally wouldn’t risk riding a repaired monocoque CF frame.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@eugenedreyer4805 I had no idea what I was doing outside of experience laying fiberglass. But the first bike I repaired was crashed by a customer. He left it with the shop. I repaired it and put 10 miles on it. The person I sold it to has put over 150k miles on it and he's about 230lbs. I bought my Cervelo P5 broken. I've put about 20k on it since the repair and I'm a 190lb cat1. No fear of breaking this bike either. It had a huge crack in the downtube that was a lot worse once I stripped the paint.

[@eugenedreyer4805]

@@veganpotterthevegan Well done!

[@larisonjohnson]

Beautiful Frame! Love the simple, vintage looking lines, lugs, and that dull metal finish. $8K is still a little dear, but it is an amazing option for those with 💰.

[@davekashuba4730]

Regarding slack seat tube angles, some of us actually benefit from having a slack seat tube angle. I personally wind up with sore knees and overworked quads if I have my saddle's fore-aft position centered on a bike with a 73.5 degree seat tube angle + 20mm offset seatpost. My hamstrings aren't engaged at all. As soon as I move the saddle back about 10 - 15 mm, my leg muscles feel more "balanced", my power goes up, and I'm more efficient.

[@Tantewillieja]

100% the same

[@JohnnyRabbitQC]

Same here, i'm 185cm long femurs and short torso and need more setback than average. I ride a with SMP Blaster on a 25mm offset seatpost, 165mm cranks.

[@Laundry_Hamper]

Seatposts with setback are abundant and increase comfort because they let the post flex more, but seatposts which can be rotated and used to set the saddle forward are rare and decrease comfort. Steep seat tube bikes are so rare - I'm using a MTB frame in a road build because of this exact reason

[@PeakTorque]

Im actually not changing anything here vs my TCR. the seat position relative to the BB is the same but will be clamped in the center of the rails rather than being slammed forward

[@Owwliv]

Hilariously, I have the opposite problem: long torso, short legs & I ride a 52 usually. The seat tube angles are usually 74, 75 or even 76. What I really need is a 72- and some bikes have that, but it's a problem of off the peg bikes for sure. can be a hassle to get a long enough lay-back seatpost. Looking forward to seeing this come together.

[@Megadeth6633]

The amount of trust that man has in you to make that investment talks miles. What a beautiful piece of hardware, make the most out of it.

[@PeakTorque]

Will do my best. Cheers for the kind words.

[@ChrisJohnson-ez5jq]

AMEN on seat tube angles. 6’6 here with (even) longer legs and a shorter torso. Also have my saddle slammed forwards, such that I can’t fix a saddle bag. Very annoying.

[@jakubklouda2474]

Love this approach. CG to such nice work

[@MickeyMeritGear]

Oh ma god! It's here😳. The seat- and steerer tube are round! Absolute winner

[@MatthewLister]

Wow! Very interesting, looking forward to seeing the build.

[@WowRixter]

Stunning bike. Congratulations!

[@morrisizing]

It does look like a thing of beauty. It reminds me of some of the titanium companies mtb's in the 90's with the lugs and carbon tubes like Seven.

[@ScottVanHorne]

Cool to see Framework make it on here, they're local to me and have done multiple open house events.

[@Baggellyh]

These are inspiring and are the best proof for why more women in cycling makes everyone's days on the bike more rewarding.

[@jeffcarrol4263]

Small world we live in. This guy is half an hour away from me in my old town. Now I want to meet him!

[@ivarbrouwer197]

I’m not as tal as Peak Torque, but apparently I have similar proportions, I can’t stand bikes with set back seat posts and am always doubting between what frame size is should pick as my leg length says I could ride a 56 but my torso wants no bigger then a 52, as such I always run a relatively short stem on a frame that’s something in between. It might also explain why I like climbing out of the saddle… This story sort of shows how a fully custom frame could be a better solution compared to pre defined frame sizes, but how to rest this out without doing the investment?

[@warayupay84]

A bike fit?

[@valiantabello]

I am so happy for you. This is an amazing bike.

[@williamsylvia3962]

That is a beautiful bike, but it will be interesting to hear how it actually rides since you basically designed it from theory. When ever I do something something like this, I find that is doesn’t work very well without some tweaking so it will be interesting to hear weather or not you hit the nail on the head.

[@m.talley1660]

Wow, Peak Torque is again in agreement with my thinking. 80mm BB drop, yes- I would add besides the shorter crank trend, BB heights were established back when pedals were at their worst for cornering. Big believer in positioning with focus on forearms parallel to the ground and PT has the data proof on that. Seat angle would likely work for my moderately tall 6'2". Here's the funny thing - I have a frame handmade in 2007 - lugged steel with a some of these designs. When it was made there was nobody would have guessed the competitive gravel cycling world trend towards this bike. It can even take 32mm tires and has the same head tube angle as that FW. I've compared it to modern gravel/all road designs and it's always close. Some of this design has been hiding in the audux (randonneur - sport touring) world. It's also close to what was stage raced before bikes began getting popped out of molds.

[@CreativeFishDesignsCharlotte]

thats truly one of the nices frames I have ever seen ,

[@frazmars]

Can’t wait to see the built bike!

[@rosomak8244]

I sum it up for you: this frame is the oceangate of bikes.

[@PeakTorque]

Please explain?

[@rosomak8244]

@@PeakTorque Composites interfacing with metals. I know that it's a long stretch to compare it with a submarine.

[@gur262]

​@@rosomak8244i mean. There's a lot of things about ocean gate that were questionable and questioned they were but. I mean. The answer to everything isn't that it's a bad idea. Didn't they find the failure point was the carbon fibre rather than the bonding due to carbon fibre just being a bad idea for deep sea vessel+ possibly manufacturring issues?

[@rosomak8244]

@@gur262 Yes they did. It was the bonding that failed.

[@Kelvin_c]

And you're not bringing this bike down into the Mariana Trench, soooooo?

[@merckxy54]

Beautiful looking frame!

[@micc1000]

How are the parts bonded together? Did you talk with the builder about the different thermal expansion rates of carbon fiber and aluminum and eventual joint fatigue?

[@fotmheki]

I've similar body proportion, but I'm shorter then you, and I agree 100% on all. Steeper seat tube angle are needed in order to avoid having the saddle all the way forward also because most seatpost have a negative offset of 20 mm, those two combined are a mess with our body type. Also the BB drop, as I use 165 mm crack and big tyres (34 mm minimum) there should be higher drops in order to lower the centre of gravity, as you told. Last but not least, I have always toe overlap and it's very annoying. As I started touring this year now I see all those issues together, plus the fact that eyelet are so fragile. In November I'll do a bike design & construction course and I'm thinking of building my own bike

[@BikeGremlinUS]

Does that stem cutout (for pinching handlebars) act as a stress riser when placed near the steerer, instead of at the front (forward) section of the stem?

[@chrisvanbuggenum871]

Beautiful bike mate, congrats.

[@thecatsonholiday5932]

That's a lovely looking frameset. ❤

[@szechaunfishsoup]

geo is really similar to a ritchey montebello. great design.

[@phil_d]

I always thought lugs and carbon tubes were the best way to build a bike, ala Colnago.

[@rsmiii]

Check out the Seven 622

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

lugged frames look so nice, its been great to see the comeback of lugged frames

[@jazzcatjohn]

If it was full titanium, I'd be all in.

[@slowcyclist4324]

I won’t lie, been considering a full Ti custom bike as my next purchase. But this does look good

[@gerardcooney791]

I often enjoy reading the comments on KZbin vids as much as the vids themselves and this is one such example. However a small few of the comments incl replies up to this point have been rude and insulting. Fair play to Alex for not censoring these and allowing a free discourse on here. I understand why some content makers disable comments altogether. You need a thick skin to be a KZbinr

[@PeakTorque]

Nice to hear, thanks. It take a shed load of time to make videos, which everyone reaps for free, and then a minority slag you off every single time you upload 😃all while its a probably loss making hobby when you consider the time-cost involved making the relationships, creating the videos, voiceovers, editing etc 😂

[@PeakTorque]

@@MrAntiShill i do not do paid advertisements on this channel. Free products to test.

[@paulwebster4499]

Wow he could manufacture after market headset bearing/cable routing sections and make a fortune. They look incredible

[@kindjalkazad]

There was another frame that offered the 75+ seat tube angle. I have the exact same problem as you as a tall rider (1,87cm tall with 92cm inseam) in the end, I bought a 795 blade RS from Look in 2021. It has a really forward seat tube with a 75,8 degrees seat tube angle. It really suits my body :)

[@PeakTorque]

@@kindjalkazad yep i remember that one. The tt and road bike in one. Shame no one really supported it

[@kindjalkazad]

@@PeakTorque totally agree with you. I’m really glad I bought one when I could

[@PeakTorque]

I was close to buying it but at the time i couldn’t find one to import to HK. And now they’re hard to find.

[@glennoc8585]

On first glance have to say that stem looks great

[@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589]

Sorry, I have bad memories of working with Trek Carbon-Al bonded frames, and never want to see them again. Yes, I know this is Ti-Al, but any time there is a metal glued to a CF composite, galvanic corrosion is always a possibility.

[@ericsimonson3128]

His lugs are all Al. The lugs and tubes cannot touch because of microscopic glass beads inside the bonding cement, so no galvanic corrosion.

[@Al.2]

Giant Contend AR 1 comes to mind as a bike that has 80 mm BB drop. And the Revolt line too.

[@OutThere42]

Specialized Diverge (I got the base alloy). Seat tube angle 73.75, BB drop 80

[@sergerasklad]

It is marvelous!

[@kurtleitch5240]

That stem.... beautiful!

[@cipo36an203]

Its IG is a daily stop for me. As a mech Eng it’s refreshing to see things done properly.

[@PeakTorque]

Top quality engineering ig feed!

[@TheWoogeroo]

Same height, also ride an XL TCR, but very different body proportions and massive feet have meant I didn’t struggle with the setback at all, with normal saddles anyway. Sadly switching to SMP saddles means I now have the same requirements as you, and ride with my saddle slammed forward… I think it might be cheaper to get a metalworker to make me custom saddle rails of a better layout than to get custom framesets produced.

[@valmorell]

Engineering meets art. Beautiful.

[@dusty_hoods]

Now this is engineering. The frame is so beautiful though.

[@brockjennings]

This is what happens when an early 1990s Specialized Allez Epic is put into a time machine and the dial is set to 2024

[@impaledface7694]

Yeah I was getting early 90's/mid 80's carbon+lugged road bike vibes. Neat to see it come back.

[@splashpit]

Still riding my Alan from the 80s built like this

[@FredShredBikes]

gorgeous product... wish ride one of them

[@Ian-Saxon]

It looks like a 90s Look or ALAN frame. Lovely craftsmanship. Eye candy. Will last a lifetime I bet. Better than that Tavelo 5 bar gate from the other week. Keep the pigs out, not in 👍

[@natursyndk]

Very nice looking frame! What's the advantage of this custom made frame with carbon tubing & machined aluminium joints as opposed to a custom made Ti frame that could be configured with a similar geometry?

[@PeakTorque]

Within reason, the Cf tubes are infinitely adjustable in terms of stiffness and layup and weight. The ti tubes are off the shelf so have a finite number of options.

[@thetinusnl8834]

Regarding the Seat Tube Angle. I'm also 194cm, long legs, TCR (gen 9) XL owner and also struggle with saddle placement with hip impingement in particular. Looking to replace my TCR next year (for more reasons). Any recommendations, frame wise, you came across before going this custom-route? Looking for an "aero" bike but only most "endurance" bikes (e.g. Scultura Endurance, Roubaix, Endurace) have >=73,5 STA rather than aerobikes, which is strange to me because I would expect aerobikes to have slacker STA allowing agressive positions. So far only found the Aeroad with 73,5, but which is brand-wise a no-no for me.

[@PeakTorque]

@@thetinusnl8834 exactly. Its the long femur and set back seat that really does not help hip angle, it makes it so closed.

[@suisinghoraceho2403]

BB drop doesn’t reduce your frontal areas, it moves it closer to the ground.

[@hill160881]

Actually it will increase frontal area without the same drop in the handlebars.

[@garagesale5948]

Aluminum and Carbon Fiber = battery?

[@seanmccuen6970]

epoxy is 'prolly insulating the interfaces.

[@kollegekool]

John from Framework could explain this in more detail, but on his Bikes the Carbon Tubes and Aluminium Lugs are never in contact with each other

[@Metal-Possum]

Aluminium and carbon in the aerospace industry are usually isolated with a layer of stuff referred to as "tissue"

[@rosomak8244]

@@seanmccuen6970 It does until it doesn't. All adhesive interfaces between dissimilar materials rather sooner than later will disintegrate. Basic physics. There is a reason real bike manufacturers dropped this kind of hybrid constructions altogether. I'm old enough to remember how those bikes first appeared and then later vanished completely. I have seen enthusiasts having them and later cursing them due to cropping up issues.

[@PeakTorque]

All good points. Looking forward to a winter of heavy corrosive testing!

[@Metal-Possum]

There's a few brands doing additive manufactured lugs with carbon tubes... Once upon a time it was considered the only way to mass produce a carbon frame before we figured out other ways to do it. I know exactly how it benefits a smaller manufacturer in regards to prototyping etc, but I've never understood how any of these "bespoke" options benefit the consumer. The titanium lugs on an Atherton mountain bike don't mean a thing if you're still buying the same bike everyone else is getting, and if a brand were to offer custom geometry for every bike, it can be a sign that they have little confidence in any one particularly frame, or they can pass the blame onto the consumer if the lengths and angles weren't from their own stash of recommended values. At the end of the day, it's all just the same load of bicycle w*nk, but coming out of a different knob. Some of us geek out far too much about stuff that doesn't actually matter a whole lot. Have a bike, enjoy riding it, don't worry too much about anything else.

[@Kelvin_c]

Stop it, you're being knob