PED Use From The 80s to Now

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[@akaRegan]

guys honestly, the content on this channel is of unbelievable quality. i can't thank you both enough for putting this out there for free. no over-exaggeration when i say you have completely shifted my perspective when it comes to training/sports and i am someone that is just your average gym-goer. i have been here since the "why it can't always be 5x5" theory of training video. you're highly HIGHLY overlooked and i wish you all the best. i am also now a huge fan of olympic weightlifting and that's entirely down to you. enjoy the evening lads, thank you for all the knowledge.

[@sikastrength]

Thanks Regan!

[@Sea7201]

Broderick once said "I honestly wish every natural would just die", and then smiled. Thoughts on this statement? Could it be added to the constitution of Sikastan?

[@ClayTJohnson]

More Plates, No Dates. crying laughing face

[@sikastrength]

It's super critical to read the laughing face

[@stevenhewes1990]

@@sikastrength 😎

[@westril4952]

Rick Bugez has a 500lb bench and he's only on garlic

[@moistmayonese1205]

There is really no way to tell whether he is on drugs or not. He does have the incentive, his numbers are also up there, but possibly naturally achievable. But in the ”UV radiation = Gains” video he comes up with such weird theory, I am not entirely convinced he would be able to come up with that just to hide his use. He obviously would not be thinking testosterone levels so much if he used exogenous hormones.

[@kblkbl]

@@moistmayonese1205 Dude's in WWE. There's literally no reason not to.

[@tylerjpitt3388]

And honey

[@adeelliftsstuff]

@@kblkbl their testing allows them to have under a 10:1 T to E ratio. You can be on high test

[@Flyingsquirrel69420]

I am a random guy commenting on youtube. I benched 145kgs after training naturally for 12 years at 91kgs bodyweight. I've been on 250mg of test e for 7 months. My bench press has gone up to 165kgs. This comment is meaningless.

[@wendell3610]

I've never really cared about using gear, or people that are using gear, but by the time I was in highschool there were so many guys, with 3 months training experience, taking gear that it actually turned me off of gear completely.

[@joys8634]

experience doesn't really matter if you have a plan. a 5x5 squat program is gonna stay the same while increasing the weights/volume faster. Nutrition will also stay the same. None of the greats ever wait to juice up. Most start in high school which a trainer if they are looking to get to the next level

[@sanchezperformancesystems]

I know many who have bench pressed 400+ naturally, Including myself. However I was 285 when I hit 435 😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@Procharmo]

I really enjoyed this discussion. Makes me realise that I'm special and one of a few!. I have never taken PEDs and started training at 17yrs old at about 140 pounds. At 45yrs old 190lbs I bench pressed 180KG, did it again at 49yrs and again recently at 58yrs 200lbs. If I had taken PEDs at 17yrs I potentially could have been a 550lbs or even 600lbs bencher... Or more likely dead by now!!!!

[@xmikexthexwizardx]

200 CJ unattainable as a natural, huh? Eoin 190 CJ = suspicious haha

[@redpanda7327]

@@skmotorcycles8123 the guy in the video ain’t gonna believe that🤣

[@javiersanz29]

@@skmotorcycles8123 Bro, they've just said they don't know anybody who has C&J 200kg drug free. Do you really believe Clarence C&J 205 off drugs? Be realistic. Still, much more stronger than an average person.

[@TheSnakemaniac567]

I benched 425 without drugs and can confirm I am a ginormous human being

[@gagisha2437]

Do a reaction video on Karlos Nasar

[@ruibraga1705]

Why?! A WR in the Clean and Jerk at 17 it's pretty atteinable 🙄

[@alejandromagnobarrasa9244]

Yeah this and what happens to the Bulgarian lifters they come up fast and leave fast too. After a certain group of lifters all Bulgarians only stay on the scene for a couple of years and leave. Ivan Markov had such beautiful technique just like his older brother and I haven’t seen him competing recently even though he was top tier a few years back.

[@HM-qe9pd]

@@alejandromagnobarrasa9244 it’s because they get popped and the next one comes through

[@hamiltonblair7934]

Best videos on the internet. I could listen to you three go back & fourth all day. Many thanks guys 💪🏼

[@albupavel]

Eric Bugenhagen did a 405 decline touch and go benchpress a while back when i think he was still natty at 220-230 bodyweight. Now he's around 260-270 and seems to have taken something 1-2 years ago, after which he got a ~475 benchpress. Chase Lindley got a 405 press, but he's diabetic and takes insulin for it, that might've had an effect on his development. Plus it was more like a standing benchpress, but it was amazing nonetheless.

[@kblkbl]

> and seems to have taken something 1-2 years ago Heh. You're literally talking about a dude whose dream, current, job literally involves juicing and has absolutely zero constraints in regards to it. That's like saying a Strongmen who wants to get in WSM wasn't juicing until he got into WSM. There's literally no reason not to, only adding an arbitrary obstacle that could probably keep you away from your goal.

[@albupavel]

@@kblkbl i said it like that because i dont remember the exact timeline and details to his big weight gain. He obviously is on something now.

[@scottbrodersen6819]

I remember watching Charlie Francis testify at the Dublin Inquiry in Canada. He described how he began taking steroids to learn an understanding of their effect, which he thought was important to do since he was giving them to Ben. I remember him describing his astonishment at how quickly his bench press increased. I wonder what impact his testimony had outside of Canada. For us, he blew the covers off and revealed the rampant drug use in track and field, something I'll never forget.

[@beauchamphuberville1355]

Algostrol

[@drewhunkins7192]

I remember being a teen in the mid/late 1980s. I'd see the guys in "Muscle & Fitness" who were obviously on 'roids and I always wondered how in the heck they were able to acquire such copious amounts of steroids. How did they get their hands on such a huge and consistent supply?

[@utkarsh2746]

Just get a prescription. You'd be surprised how many prescriptions doctors are willing to hand out when they aren't a heart surgeon or in some very lucrative field. Talk to a young doctor who won't treat you like a child.

[@jarettmeyer4929]

Nice new intro. Great video as well

[@noobclips1570]

my younger brother benched 400lbs (he was 24 at the time) without drugs 4 months into strength training at a very good Olympic lifting gym (we have to define that it is a gym that coaches the Olympic lifts in Canada unfortunately) that did strength classes for regular people but like you said he is a very big person naturally clocking in at 290lbs (131kg) at 6 foot 2 inches.

[@jk_0047]

This is gold.

[@doncoates100]

Dosages were definitely less in the late 70’s and early 80’s, unless you were a crazy Bulgarian eg Valentin Khristov story at Montreal Olympics. Geoff Capes, at one of the AAA champs in the late 70’s, roared “steroids” as he made every put. Sir Arthur Gold, president of AAA and early anti doper was watching 🤣

[@TheGudeGym]

I know plenty of throwers (not necessarily olympians) who yes are big people 220lbs plus that have benched 400lbs naturally. On a side note I don’t know why people think being over 100kg is hard you just need to eat more and lift big weight.

[@EGC444]

Love how transparent and Broderick is he is the 1% you will never find in the fitness industry

[@ImHerbert-moon]

I bench more than 350 and weight 159. Hopefully 400 one day under 175.

[@lukasdubb]

I grew chest hair after migrating to Sikastan

[@nickps2251]

Tren twins benched 405 natural and 500 enhanced

[@johnrussell519]

What about Harrison Maurus, I believe his best is 201. If he was doping at all I would imagine he would have gotten caught by USADA. Maybe I am wrong.

[@johnrussell519]

​@@22448824 Id imagine it would be European because WADA isn't the control freaks like America's USADA. Maurus apparently is tested monthly. So please elaborate how you are positive?

[@Bombsuitsandkilts]

Maybe it's naive but I think most people are capable of a 2x bodyweight bench press if they specialize and avoid injury

[@SornGeorge]

Next time you go to the gym count how many guys even bench press their own body weight, and you will see that the majority lift less than 1x body weight. Those guys would never do a 2x body weight bench press no matter what (unless they took PEDs)

[@Bombsuitsandkilts]

@@SornGeorge I respectfully disagree, I am in the military and I work with a constant stream of skinny high school kids who after a few years of training can all bench at least 225, there isn't a guy in my unit who can't bench 275, and the lightest guy is around 180. Sure they could all be secretly saucing, but the fact that we are forced to work out 5 days a week and nobody wants to run every day, shows how far a little consistancy can go. I think if those same guys who are a pretty average selection of the gene pool, focus strictly on benching 2X bodyweight and had some more intelligent programming they could do it. I bench about 385 bench at 260 bodyweight and my goal is to try and hit/maintain 400 and then try and slowly cut down to 200 BW. I'll never know until I try.

[@alejandromagnobarrasa9244]

Uuuugh no one said that my pants weren’t gonna fit after squatting, so I do think it’s possible to to get too big. I didn’t notice until I had to wear church clothes, but work out clothes still fit at least. I don’t squat what these guys do I don’t know what they all do for dress pants. I guess buy a size up. Or maybe it’s just america with that ridiculous skinny jeans stuff that made all pants thinner in the legs and butt region, but I don’t think girls would mind having bigger legs and bigger butt. I have to wear my dads pants and only like one pair of jeans fit me and just barely.

[@peterwilson9330]

Dude get one of those elasticated button things pregnant ladies use on their jeans, top tip!🤓

[@topemeister3000]

Buy a size up and then get your jeans tailored. Very simple.

[@MrSallesTeachesEnglish]

If you’re ambivalent or persuaded by PEDs, you’ll definitely be predisposed to set a cap on what natural lifters can do. I was able to lift over 400 lbs for most of my 20s and 30s, topping out at 435lbs. Ironically, a pectoral tear stopped this when I started taking the only supplement I ever tried - Creatine, which my sports physio told me had led to dehydration and this in turn led to the tear. Had I trained more seriously, I’m sure as a natural athlete I could have lifted more. I would imagine I am one in a few thousand, rather than one in a few million. When I took up rowing on the Concept 2, I found much world ranking at the marathon (106th) was far superior to my ranking at the 2000m - so my power does not seem to have been out of the ordinary.

[@thepeatboggy]

Old comment but the 2k test is 85% aerobic, and incredibly hard to “muscle”, rowing federations usually use 100m 500m 6k and 30min tests to accurately track an athletes power profile, your 2k is incredibly dependent on your relative 6k/30min times rather than your 100/500 times

[@MrSallesTeachesEnglish]

@@thepeatboggy Thanks, that totally makes sense. But the marathon would be even more aerobic so, as a power athlete, you’d imagine I’d be worse at this than the 2000m.

[@rul1175]

This guy is full of himself.

[@Catabolicmuscle]

Where is the full podcast????

[@tomchurchill6958]

Do we think Nathan Damron is natural ?

[@toximan2008]

Probably not.

[@plantybara]

Bing bong - recent 208 kg clean and jerk record for 81 kg lol

[@skude3]

I think he's underestimating the natural capabilities. 400 pound bench is not THAT huge. CnJ is tho.

[@kblkbl]

He's talking about a 400lbs OHP, tho. He just mentioned that the notion that a 400lbs bench is mundane is a consequence of juiced athletes setting the standard.

[@nealb1a]

My impression is that he's talking about the extent to which online comments suggest it's the standard for anyone serious about training, not that it can't be done without drugs. It happens, but as he says, the people who do it tend to be large-framed and heavy to start. Moreover, a lot of folks claiming 400 lbs benches leave out the part where the spotter essentially deadlifted the bar off their chests; they figure that if their hands are still on the bar and it's moving, they get credit for it. Similar to the guys who have "squatted" 500 failing to mention that they barely bent their knees and moved the bar maybe 4 inches.

[@andriihavryliuk1276]

where can i find the full video?

[@imosbroderA]

start training when i was 23 now 25 i do 5reps with 150kg(330lbs) bench .overhead press120kg(265lbs). 3reps 250kg(550lbs) deadlift. squated 4reps ass to grass with 200kg. was 118kg 260lbs now 132kg 290lbs im 178cm 5.10 cause I like food^^ listen to this make me feel special ^^ thx

[@yahyakahya5326]

A natty standards video, maybe?

[@Franktharabbit]

Kind of ironic that Broderick talks about people having a skewed perspective on what's possible (or likely) without drugs, then claims that a 400lb bench press natty is some super rare occurrence for people weighing under 100kg-120kg (before they even started lifting!), or that 'USAPL assholes' are claiming their athletes to be benching 700lbs (simply not true.) Feels to me like his perspective on what actually happens in the 'natural' lifting world is skewed, from being so heavily involved in the drug side of things. 400lb bench press admittedly is a huge achievement for any lifter, drug free or not, but absolutely does and CAN happen for natural lifters, probably far more commonly than he thinks.

[@ev1bl]

I wish there was something to legitimize this guy for me, but his way of speaking just makes him seem less credible. Ill also add that as someone who has been in and around strength sport for 14 years now I do think the "everyones on drugs" thing sometimes comes off as a bit lazy. In weightlifting its obviously a shit show and theres plenty of evidence to base that on. In powerlifting, I dont think its nearly as bad as some people claim. With the USAPL lifters as an example. What is holding the conspiracy together? I dont see all these young guys being in a conspiracy without a real threat of consequence.

[@beauchamphuberville1355]

Every one is on gear. Certainly in the UK. Not illegal in the same way as in the states.

[@ev1bl]

@@beauchamphuberville1355 Im sure its rampant among the general gym goers if its not criminalized. I dont see the same incentives or mechanisms for using in drug tested powerlifting as you can see in weightlifting though. Geopolitical warfare, governmental support for bribes and tampering with drug tests and so on

[@NotLuigi]

The "everyone is on drugs" narrative is really more of a "Everyone competing at the highest level is on drugs" which is a much more accurate statement

[@weightedsumwl]

noice

[@Mylada]

Crossfitters have to have very good understanding of exercise. They need more skills, the programming is harder etc

[@Mylada]

And that too! Much more complicated than powerlifting e.g.

[@kblkbl]

​@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 Why not? All relevant factors in performance. What makes it harder to program is the concurrency between disciplines, and the same applies to the "benefits" of steroids.

[@weightedsumwl]

That's why you see incredible results from the averages crossfitter

[@kblkbl]

@@weightedsumwl The average crossfitter isn't interested in performance results, tho. Weak sauce. The vast majority of people do Crossfit to get lean or just to exercise. The average Crossfit "athlete" does display surprisingly good results given the concurrency of the disciplines applied to the sport.

[@weightedsumwl]

@@kblkbl I would argue against your claim surprisingly good results, just look at the data, top crossfitters are very far away from the top of the each modalities crossfit takes their movements from

[@dmanzawsome]

Alphadestiny is the only man i believe is natural with a 400+ lb bench. He had to modifiy his training very much and totally prioritize the bench to achieve it but I do think he was natural.

[@Failsafeman100]

The IPF has strict drug testing and routinely (like every meet) has guys benching over 200kg

[@stevenhewes1990]

@@Failsafeman100 those tests are very easy to circumvent. If people are passing WADA level testing then you better beleive people are easily passing IPF level testing.

[@kblkbl]

@@Failsafeman100 Sure, Olympic athletes are passing WADA tests all the time while pissing hot but IPF's backyard tournaments are the golden standard. lol

[@inlimboed91]

Love the channel and the content, but the 400lbs bench press point irked me a bit. I bench 420lbs at 220lbs (and my "untrained" weight before I ever went into a gym would be 185lbs tops). I'm totally natural and don't even have a particularly strict diet or supplement intake. Just eat in a calorie surplus and train hard, smart and seriously. I understand the point that most average gym goers won't get anywhere near pushing that weight (and many don't want to), but I also don't think I'm a total genetic freak or huge outlier either. This kind of point annoys me because it just gives confirmation bias to all the gym bros who either half ass it, train like idiots or are just not genetically gifted to immediately go down the "it's sTerOIds" route any time they see somebody putting up impressive numbers on a lift. Again, I know it was only pointed out as an example as part of a wider discussion, but this kind of blanket statement discourages people from really pushing themselves to see what's attainable, as well as giving dedicated lifters less motivation to stay off PEDs as everyone will just presume they're juicing anyway. Cheers

[@Second247]

The fact that he works with roided athletes makes steroids his hammer and everything other looks like nails. He's quite open about not being interested in natural athletes so how does he know what naturals can achieve? Even Sika bois themselves have opted out at least once when they are saying that you can't reach X by being natty, while soon they themselves find some sort of beast from their own circle of people who has done the X natty. And it's funnily common that people have that one in a million talent in their closed small circles :) I think Broderic is one of the few exceptions who don't know some "beast" who has done the impossible while being natty... but then again he doesn't work with natural athletes and as he has said he is not interested of them at all.

[@jawee6144]

I believe the guys started by talking about 400lb overhead lifts my man, it might have been a mix-up. That said a 400lb bench is near enough elite no matter how you slice it, especially under 220lb. Me and my mum think you're a strapping young lad, don't seek your confirmation from gym bros.

[@inlimboed91]

@@jawee6144 No, bro. He used it as an example because it was more relatable. He was clearly talking about the bench when he said you'd have to be at least 220lbs before ever touching a weight to bench 400lbs natural. Anyway, it's not about confirmation. I see this "you can't get a 400lbs bench natty" point quite a lot and don't really bother with it, but as I actually respect this channel and the viewers seem to generally be smart, I thought I'd share my perspective on how these kind of blanket statements can be unhelpful. Have a nice day.

[@peterwilson9330]

First 😎

[@alejandromagnobarrasa9244]

Damn you beat me

[@Bmm65]

I bench 405 at 200lbs natty it’s not that hard lol