Joe Rogan, Liver King Exposed & Derek's WORST Steroid Cycles

Coach ZT and Derek from More Plates More Dats sit down for a full,
uncensored discussion on a huge range of topics,
including Joe Rogan, the Liver King, Derek's Cycle history, UFC vs USADA
and drug use in CrossFit.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
01:25 - Marek Health
03:05 - Meeting Joe Rogan
06:22 - The Liver King Emails
09:07 - Derek & Steroids
16:43 - Celebrities & Alcohol
20:00 - Derek's Worst Cycles
29:23 - Fake Information is Everywhere
33:39 - The Balco Scandal Drugs
40:37 - UFC Removing USADA
44:11 - Drug Use In CrossFit

[@zacktelander]

I realize I misspoke and that Andrew Hiller talks about steroids. In my experience (outside of Hiller) people in the space almost completely DO NOT talk about them. This ranges from large KZbin Channels to massive athletes and everything in between.

[@GoodWillRacing]

Have Hiller on brotha! 😎

[@BIGEARL240]

Zach the type of guy to stub his toe on the platform and say "YOWZA!!!"

[@samharris9559]

Turkey Tom the type of guy to stand on his friend's shoulders while wearing a trench coat and fake mustanche to pretend to be Zach Telander

[@zacktelander]

The type of guy to say “he’s standing right behind me isn’t he” when talking about a scary monster to his friends

[@chadliampolley6991]

🤣

[@JakeSemeniuk]

Zack is the type of guy to have MPMD on his podcast and not was what his top 10 most optimal exercises for hypertrophy is

[@JohnnyWooh]

Of all things he could have said, Derek saying he prefers Juice to Alcohol is such a great clip 😂

[@brianmeen2158]

But what would Derek look like had he never taken a steroid? Would he have the sizable audience he does now…?

[@ericibaugh8231]

@@brianmeen2158 Obviously not, the majority of his content is based around PEDs, pharmacology, and good safety practices when doing said PEDs. I doubt most people would respect his opinions on those things had he not had first hand experience with them.

[@nicholaskoenig3106]

Im so used to 3hr conversations...this one could have EASily lasted as long. I forget you 2 are as tight as you are. Every topic was so interesting! Bravo.

[@coltonkosto98]

Zach the type of guy to hit a PR, drop the bar and say "im not a big fan of carrots" 😂

[@JC-ji1hp]

Constantly festering

[@ptadalan]

You really tip toed around that CrossFit + Steroid use topic and woulda loved to hear your hot take on it. Usage, possible cover ups, timing around the games season, possibility of usage in camps… if no one even talks about it, would have liked to hear your personal speculation with a disclaimer of opinion.

[@patrickl5290]

Love zack and hope he has Derek on again soon! Hopefully he chills with asking unnecessary clarifying questions and interruption’s

[@drip369]

Got my ZT shirt yesterday, I'm glad you started printing those again

[@Real28]

I got the no excuses giraffe one from Barbell, awesome t shirt. Same one he's wearing.

[@drip369]

​@@Real28I thought about it, just like I've thought about the other giraffe design shirt but the one with the barbell overhead is just the best. It's classic it's timeless it's totally Telander

[@J3susChrist]

is it me or is the video quality super crisp? it looks so nice!! :D

[@michaelbarton7929]

Interesting convo fellas. Just wanted to mention that Andrew Hiller is a significant name in the CrossFit space that talks about gear and openly took TRT himself and documented his journey. He’s done great work on Tia Clair Toomey being not natural and why. He reps the CF space in terms of gear call outs. Great work here

[@thebard20]

liver king era reminds me of kony 2012, just seemed to take over the internet for six months for reasons that no one quite understood

[@user-tm6ml4cu8q]

Is this not put out as a podcast?

[@H.UN.K.]

Derek saying “How about some juice or something…” is what I am always thinking about when people want a beer after doing some hard work lol.

[@nizzie16]

Being forced to be on trt for the rest of your life is the single best argument against going enhanced.

[@rodb66]

There you go. By taking PEDs, these people jack up their bodies natural body functions.

[@bobbysweeney5377]

I was on trt for years and then went to ugl and did one blast, then back down to trt dose but I'd stopped taking hcg or gonadorelin. Then my balls started shrinking because of the lack of either of those, and THEN my test hook-up fell off, so i said eff it and stopped everything naturally. Not fun... I think it was probably 8 months before i was like, "wait, im horny? Holly ish thats right! I loved pussy-cat! I wonder if its still out there!" Zero sex drive that whole time, was a bitch, grouchy, literally hated life, and much more. I cant really swing just going and getting an extensive blood panel right now to know, but im sure it turned back on. Not a waterfall, but the waters on at least.

[@Jmpayn3]

Enhanced Olympics sounds fun to watch, but I feel like we’re going to see some really gruesome injuries

[@JimLakes]

any shot this is going to spotify?

[@zacktelander]

I pulled my podcast from Spotify bc I wasn’t able to upload consistently and book guests. Now I just post this type of content to my KZbin as it reaches a more consistent audience and fits nicer into my posting schedule here.

[@cobaltss50]

I'm on a few message boards, and we have an awesome community with bodybuilding and other aspects. They are definitely alive and well in 2024.

[@TwanDeezy]

Almost having gyno develop is enough to make me NEVER EVER cycle gear.

[@tielvandenheuvel5168]

Zach the type of guy to not talk about Joe Rogan and steroid use in a video about Joe Rogan and steroid use.

[@brianmeen2158]

I’d love to know how different Rogans life would be if it weren’t for steroid/gh use? I have to believe it would be markedly different and he’d feel much worse.. I mean, on top of the performance enhancers he is constantly on other supplements that improve brain and muscle performance

[@deez3063]

isn't rogan only on trt? and a ton of hard work? trt's nothing close to steroids or gh, even on high doses. trust me

[@coffee.3.4]

⁠​⁠@@deez3063I mean it literally is steroids just on an extremely low scale .All you would have to do to turn it into a full blown cycle is up the dose .Idk what you think trt means .

[@g.o.6379]

having enhance games would not only lead to breaking new records, but probably increase the revenue of steroids and research.

[@bryanfrombuffalo7685]

U guys need to put a fez on

[@ross9804]

Zack the type to grind out an RPE 10 lift and then say “Nice”

[@zacktelander]

Typa guy to float through a scent to get to a pie

[@elwoodblues1377]

The games start at 1:00 PM

[@alterkid]

40mg of cialis, damn.

[@__-wm9lu]

Reupload?

[@zacktelander]

Nope!

[@__-wm9lu]

@@zacktelander how have I seen this entire thing then

[@jamesguacamole3246]

hell yeah - kick start with dbol - duhhh???!!!

[@JeoJetsonmusic]

Football game at 11am never happened

[@jacobwilhide1189]

Is this a repost?

[@zacktelander]

No

[@zakklade]

Barry Bonds was easily a Hall of Famer pre juice.

[@cltmck]

He was an inner circle Hall of Famer clean. He was the greatest player who ever lived by far enhanced.

[@GoodWillRacing]

Hiller is in CrossFit, Hiller talks about steroids 😂

[@HistoricFitness]

🦇🦇🦇

[@miguelluismusic4181]

Know it all Derek ego checked himself unknowingly because their are numerous pubmed acticles about T4 gut conversion.... Lets see if he can handle this drama

[@scottessery100]

Can you imagine giving a 12 yr old gymnast weight lifter shotputter or swimmer steroids 😢 well done East Germany Simply child abuse

[@hayesdelezene4590]

So true man, I just can’t imagine depriving my kids of their chance to achieve athletic greatness. People these days, amiright?

[@LeoHanchen]

Lol what do you expect from a comunist regime

[@RossKempOnYourMum01]

East German female sprinters were insane

[@mattysquizzato7094]

I'm pretty sure that was far from the worst child abuse committed by the E. Germans. Sadly. :(

[@markpozsar5785]

​@@RossKempOnYourMum01yeah great mustaches on them

[@dontbetreadin4777]

What's up with the Re-upload?!?!

[@zacktelander]

There is no re upload

[@dontbetreadin4777]

@@zacktelander where have I seen this?!

[@zacktelander]

look through my videos for a 52 min podcast with Derek. I did one last year. This is a new one.

[@dontbetreadin4777]

@@zacktelander haha gotya dude! My bad that's it

[@drip369]

🥈

[@jamesgrinham818]

actually first omfg

[@drip369]

Factual factoid 🥇

[@bawseeeee602]

good job beta

[@drip369]

​@@bawseeeee602projection is a female behavior. Regardless, all he was doing was boosting the algorithm 🤦

[@bawseeeee602]

@@drip369 i project my semen onto your mothers face

[@bigguy4u989]

@@drip369boosting le heckin algorino🤓🤓🤓

[@THEEStickyxbootz]

I should have been lifting when I was on birth control pills. What a missed opportunity lol.

[@zakklade]

Lance Armstrong was never caught. He admitted.

[@BB-ni8vy]

52:00 “my channel is the most time consuming” my guy you never release videos anymore lmfao

[@Adam053ify1]

Rogan inserted into title for attention ✅️

[@nikhilkumar-bm8ic]

Derek looking like a Lumberjack

[@bathtubrenew]

He’s Canadian.

[@meganbaumann9430]

@hillerfit is talking about steroids in crossfit all the time, so you can’t so that no one talks about it.

[@zacktelander]

Yeah I should have been better with my words. I thought of him right when we posted this

[@meganbaumann9430]

Good show though. I appreciate your content! Should have opened with that! 😆

[@artistxulemmlemmenskurt1915]

Is that lippgloss? 😁😎

[@VernCrisler]

Derek, when it comes to alcohol, people drink for EFFECT, not for taste. Same rationale for anabolic steroids. [BTW, the issue of a drug's half-life doesn't really have much to do with how long the drug stays in your system. It has more to do with how long the drug is still in the therapeutic range. So the drug may take weeks to get out of your body, but its therapeutic value was at the ineffective level after only a few days.]

[@traaaaan]

Maybe for SOME. I aint drinking callico jack when i can sip on patron. just like how im not going to down a box of $10 wine when i can sip on a tastier $30 bottle. Could it be possible people take drugs for different reasons?!

[@samharris9559]

I take steroids for the taste

[@VernCrisler]

@@traaaaan Maybe, but I don't think anyone smokes dope or does steroids for anything other than effect. As regards cheap wine, I think the context is about young people going out and drinking because they think they can get cute chicks that way. They couldn't tell the difference between a 10 dollar wine and a 30 dollar wine. It's of course not the same for wine aficionados or experienced drinkers. They drink for taste as well as for effect, but if they had to choose.....

[@VernCrisler]

@@samharris9559 Injecting in the tongue are we?😇

[@watgoatse]

I drink 1-2 beers every 30-60 days. For me it's purely taste. I enjoy beer but never want to be drunk.

[@doktor3196]

LeBron. So So obvious

[@buttneked3963]

Safe to say the show host is not Heterosexual !?!

[@aduantas]

lmao

[@BurninatorTheTrogdor]

Lies. Derelictmyballs doesn't make videos anymore. I miss the double wide or sauna or whatever the fuck that was.

[@newnewmee44]

i am surprised more plates more dates is still alive and kicking. He is one of the lucky steroids users.

[@GGWP-nx3kn]

His dosages do match. He‘s self-evidently not using open bodybuilding dosages range.

[@magsvro6668]

Lol. Even during his self-proclaimed “stupidest” cycles he wasn’t even doing half the dangerous shit that the dudes you see at your local gym are doing. Being surprised that he’s alive is like being surprised that the sky is blue 😂

[@waynesmith5471]

Dry dismal boring crap

[@summumbonum1619]

This guy try’s so hard, is it obvious to anyone else? And because of it he’s very annoying and fake.🧐