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[@TEKITOcreations]

Shout out to the director of X-Men: Dark Phoenix, Simon Kinberg. When that movie flopped he didn’t blame the fans or made any excuses. He outright admitted he failed and apologized to the fans. He'll always have some of my respect for that.

[@Dont_Read_My_Picture]

Don't read my name!! .

[@quartdude]

NO WAY!, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin!!😱

[@l6ki]

I agree. When a director comes out and straight up says “yeah, I did a bad job. Sorry”, there is no reason for competent audiences to get upset. Also why are there 3 bots replying to this comment

[@Esitaro3670]

I like this type of people who admit their mistakes and try to do better...sure, they might have failed that at the start but at least in the end they admit their mistake

[@MadMike1]

Same with Joel Schumacher for Batman & Robin. He straight up apologized for disappointing so many people with that movie... even though I personally love it in a "so bad it's good" way. Adults should hold themselves accountable for failure.

[@kenobi-hi7qz]

For those saying Charlie isn't qualified to criticise film producers just remember this guy has an acting debut in Hunger Games where he gave a phenomenal performance

[@Nah-NoNeed_]

And the odds are forever in his favour!

[@ReplyReaper8617]

W55d

[@IAmLargecoom]

@@ReplyReaper8617🤤

[@lazyshadow5027]

And apparently the host from Press Your Luck was in there too. Every single one of the main cast did a fantastic job, despite the movie's ratings being somewhat mixed.

[@NopeihaveNoName]

Well, anyone is qualified to criticize film producers because it's their opinion.

[@x4thmessiahx]

Imagine being a chef, cooking shitty food, and being like, "oh its not my job to make your food appetizing and acceptable." My dude, that's your job.

[@viperrecords3288]

😂

[@diegobrando670]

Reminds of that one guy in a fallout game

[@SerfOfTheYear]

@@diegobrando670who? This this better not be about my guy Fantastic. 😂

[@coindog6336]

I disagree. After the apocalypse it's much more important to make the food non poisonous than it is appetizing

[@GalluZ]

True. The directors direct the movie/show/other media and they're NOT resposible for it??

[@phoenixjklin]

I find it so sad that The Witcher producers saw it as a positive in the beginning to have Henry Cavill on board because he knows the books and the games and would be valuable to have to get the details fans would appreciate, to only then fire him because he was "difficult to work with". I bet that they thought he was "difficult to work with" because he saw and was vocal about what they were doing to this beloved story. I genuinely think that's the reason, and I did when it first was announced that he was to leave the show, because he loves the world and story of the Witcher so much, and knowing Netflix I bet the producers didn't appreciate that an actor knew more than them and their writers.

[@ThatIdiotOmega]

Man, Henry Cavill just can't catch a break.

[@aussiegaming9097]

They could also cite Henry as being “difficult to work with” because he refused doubles. Not even HAND doubles were accepted to replace him. He was there on set for every scene which would’ve made filming increasingly slower than Netflix’s usual pump and dump philosophy. I see this as a win ofc; but in the eyes of a corporation this is a liability and a permanent setback slowing production down.

[@halfbakedhooligan]

He wasn’t fired. He willingly left of his own choice since the show runners wouldn’t follow the novels. Not only that but they were constantly bashing the novels and games, which Cavill loves. Cavill even said so himself when he was brought on as Geralt. He said that he’d play Geralt as long as the show runners stay true to the story that the novels present. They lied, he held up his end. He left cause they started butchering it. He even made a post about it months ago.

[@voxdraconia4035]

Beloved story? Which one? The one from the games, that the actual author has no love for? Or the one from the books, that is ... not great at all. It always amuses me when I read about Witcher and people act like the books are these masterworks of storytelling that the show botched. If at all, the show did what it could with the underwhelming source material. And the source material is NOT the games, which have their own problems by the way...

[@halfbakedhooligan]

@@voxdraconia4035 I’m talking about the books, only a fool thinks the games are canon/apart of the original story. The novels aren’t poorly written whatsoever. You’re entitled to dislike whatever you like, but maybe know the facts! If you actually read the Witcher novels, or at least showed interest, maybe you’d know that the English books are translated from Polish. Polish doesn’t actually translate to English very well. Anyone who read them can point out a flaw, cause nothing is perfect. As can be said of any work. Did I say the story is perfect? No, I just stated why Cavill left the show, so no need to get salty kiddo. Regardless, your argument is mute due to the fact that the Witcher novels are considered great among many people. Now likes and dislikes are objective, so you’re entitled to your opinion, but may I reiterate. The Witcher novels are widely and majorly considered to tell a great story. So maybe it’s not that the work is bad, but just not something you like🤷‍♂️ Just some fuel for thought for someone who seems very upset about me simply informing someone why Cavill left the show.🤷‍♂️

[@omfg322]

I hate living in a world where everyones ego is way too big while being as fragile as a glass house.

[@wildwyatxbox]

This is the best way I've seen it described. They didn't spend enough time in the insult thunderdome of COD

[@omfg322]

@@wildwyatxbox mw2 lobbies where boys became men

[@skiprockjr.6881]

It's called societal narcissism. Brought to you by the commies around 100 years ago. I can't get into who is behind communism because I can't afford another run-in with the ADL.

[@Hawishh]

Yeah, my egos just huge!

[@CoolKtt]

@@gunkhead dude your name is tootsie, pop that is the most fruity and lame name I’ve ever heard

[@atomicviking2497]

Directors: "Is it our job to fulfill expectations?" Audience: "Is it our job to pay you millions of dollars?"

[@nickstanton9480]

Part of a dialectical relationship; on one hand, audiences never wanting to see anything means no revenue, but complete submission to the whim of audiences means nothing bold or new ever gets made.

[@yippykiay13]

@@nickstanton9480agree with you there, except for cases like Marvel, Witcher, and pretty much most of these projects that are blaming the audience for failing. They in themselves are unoriginal. They’re being made solely because there is already a fan base out there with a desire to see it. It’s easy money for these big companies. I’m not saying they can’t go out of the box and be creative, but if what they did with an already well known franchise did not work, they need to quit blaming the audience and either put their time and resources into creating and promoting something new, or analyzing their failures and building on that to create a better product. At the level they are producing films at, this is, before anything else, a business, but for seemingly since the beginning it was a business the common folk idolized and held upon a pedestal so high, these people had no idea how clueless they actually were. Now they can hear us and I’m seeing a major attitude of, “You dare defy your god?!?!” Yeah, because people don’t care about the “art” your billion dollar mega corporation paid you an obscene amount to direct/act/whatever for. If I go to see a marvel movie, I’m not looking to have my entire world blown asunder and emerge anew, I just want to shut my brain off for a few hours since everything else in this world is already cramming everything down my throat at all times. If I do want something new and innovating, I’m not going to these massive cookie cutter corporate owned franchises to find it, but these people blaming the audience for their failures have their heads so far up their asses they can’t see that maybe, just maybe, that’s the problem, and if they really have a story they HAVE to tell, maybe they shouldn’t do it with a franchise that shares a toy isle in your local Walmart.

[@Evokai6419]

@@nickstanton9480 That's a fair point, but a lot of the people being mentioned are thinking that fans are brain dead because they didn't enjoy it, but you are right to a degree.

[@hell1942]

​@@nickstanton9480isn't the problem the opposite of that? Movies and shows are "too safe" and "generic", also "bland" and boring? like I understand your point, but it seems like the main thing people want is the "bold", "new" thing you are talking about People seem to be talking a lot about the same formula being used repeatedly

[@nickstanton9480]

@@hell1942 audiences don’t want bold or new. Otherwise, why would the biggest filmmakers continue to make safe films with reliable corporate formulas? People are buying tickets to these films, so there’s no need to deviate from that.

[@zazacitron]

Openheimer is a good proof that people can spend 3+h watching non-linear dialogue

[@user-ym9dz5uy2v]

LORD OF THE RINGS

[@blankslate7]

​@@user-ym9dz5uy2vno, Oppenheimer

[@underconstruction6436]

I've worked as a dishwasher and in food service before and if I said it wasn't my job to ensure a clean plate or edible food, I would've been fired on the spot and rightfully so.

[@PacoReer]

Your job is to clean plates, not to have people compliment how clean they are. You didn't ask people if they liked the clean plates either, because in all honesty who cares, you did your job

[@yourkneecapslackseasoning6658]

@@PacoReer their job is literally to satisfy the audience, as a guy in the comments said its like a chef making food and then when his customers say the food is bad he says that "its not my job to fulfill your expectations"

[@Thouartwithme3]

You know its serious when charles wears a black shirt

[@WeavyBoo]

A black tank top as well

[@Theguywhoasked903]

lol

[@Music_Medium]

real

[@canyougetthat507]

This is the comment I was waiting for

[@Nemenis]

@@Bannaboy69no shit just don’t reply to them. Replying/liking helps them avoid bans

[@redmoon4694]

Production companies after making the most safe and corporate movie ever and it absolutely tanks: “It was too controversial for our audience to handle”

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin!!😱

[@marymystery4427]

Lemme give you a comment thats not a bot rq lol So true tho

[@lasagna665]

​@@marymystery4427I'll double

[@redmoon4694]

@@marymystery4427 thanks for the real answer 🤣

[@ChaoticGoodPeasant23]

They're creatively bankrupt. They have been for 15 years now, people just tolerated it because Avengers.

[@Foxtrot518]

"We didn't make a bad film; the fans are just ignorant." I can't imagine why Hollywood is currently imploding.

[@sage-sama7273]

I find it funny how the Witcher producer said because our attention spans are so low and that we’re “dumb” they had to simplify the story. If they actually made a compelling and complex story like the books, our attention would be on the show and probably like it.

[@jaycehoward2771]

Honestly that show didn't even need complexity. They literally could have let Henry kill monsters with a simple story and plot that somewhat followed the games and books but with Henry being the Witcher doing witcher things lol but Henry instead was just eye candy and literally the third option on his show.

[@DinoRINO339]

I mean, the director isn’t wrong. You’re just an outlier in a world of idiocracy.

[@Adurite]

They could have ten million people straight up telling them "your show is terrible" and they'd still be in disbelief.

[@h3llosammanGamingRoblox]

Hi

[@Theguywhoasked903]

ok

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin!!😱

[@niko2239]

Already happens

[@maru-dy5ld]

didnt ask

[@NothingButWorms2]

I had a bunch of storytelling classes in my study and one thing that my teacher kept repeating is to never assume that your audience is dumb.

[@AsanpiCh]

Same! There's a whole psychology to it. Even in some of my game story writing classes we were told this. My professor was Evan Skolnick and he hammered in the idea that our audience isn't dumb, and doesn't like to feel dumb. Good writers and designers like to show and not tell, because it becomes an interactive experience that makes the audience feel clever.

[@Valcuda]

​​@@AsanpiChAlso make sure not to exclusively show. There's an example of someone incorrectly describing someones skin tone, so they're vomit green, when they could've just said the color, abd been over with it.

[@mahbuddykeith1124]

@@AsanpiChWhen it comes to roleplaying games, your players are invariably retarded. Yes, the giant demon making fun of a child is dangerous. Yes, it could kill the child with an errant flick if it felt like it, but it didn’t. Why is the child there? It’s waiting for its mother; the demon just happened to be passing by and now it’s chilling on top of a mountain. Now you threw a bottle of gasoline at it, mildly pissing it off and are about to commit child abduction in front of it without asking why the child was to wait for their mother in the middle of nowhere.

[@mechgouki7999]

Disney's approach is, never assume your audience has brains.

[@al112v4]

You're underestimating certain part of that audience (cough cough media literacy). But yeah, I still agree.

[@adrianacosta8868]

Directors will almost never take responsibility because if they awknowledge the job was bad it means they wont get funding again from that company or other companies, so its easier to blame the audience and pretend your work was good.

[@OkiSmokey]

I agree that the “people’s attention spans are shorter so we needed to dumb it down so they’d watch” narrative is stupid. We’re constantly bombarded with short form content that overstimulates our senses and everyone needs a break from that at some point, I personally LOVE hour long videos on KZbin, where they cover a topic in heaps of detail because I’m autistic and get sensory overload from so many internet/entertainment spaces nowadays

[@Nothing.Nugget]

Not only that but it isn't an excuse to dumb everything down. Your just ruining the story that could've been rich with plot and details and emotion and all of that, but they ruined it bc "Americans are stupid'

[@OkiSmokey]

@@Nothing.Nugget exactly! I love nuances and intricacies in storytelling when writers can show their talents

[@Goz969]

​@@Nothing.NuggetSounds a bit racist if you ask me.

[@Nothing.Nugget]

​​@@Goz969 I wasn't being racist, I was paraphrasing on what a Producer of The Witcher said here 7:46. If it came across the wrong way, then I'm sorry and I'll try to edit my comment to make it clearer even though I thought it already was

[@Goz969]

@@Nothing.Nugget No! I was calling the DIRECTOR racist for blaming Americans, not you. I was agreeing with what you said, you're fine. 👍

[@Skamux]

“It’s not my job to fulfil expectations” is something a director of an art house or Indi film would say. If you have been appointed to direct a film or tv show with millions of dollars and fans behind it, it absolutely is your job to fulfil some expectations. One of the main expectations being that it isn’t going to be trash.

[@TheScarletSlayer]

Everyone in Hollywood now has been replaced by entitled brats who are starting to turn on each other now that mom and dad aren't covering for them any more.

[@aarondavis8943]

So if their job isn't to fulfil expectations, then it's to disappoint people 😂 What a weird job.

[@SuussyBakka]

364 likes and 2 replies, let me fix that

[@MrWiskeytango]

I was looking for this take

[@Dont_Read_My_Picture]

Don't read my name !!'

[@jjakie07]

This reminds me of those Kitchen Nightmares episodes where the owners so blatantly disregard customers' feedback. Even go so far as to kick out customers that dont like their food.

[@Lordidude]

Great observation!

[@ricardozetino6907]

I remember at the end of one of those episodes that the owner of the restaurant had changes that improved their restaurant and LITERALLY undone ALL the changes that were made. Which resulted in their restaurant once again being a terrible place to eat at.

[@koftespiess]

Amy’s baking company?

[@weareone1575]

Narcissism. I think there is actually an epidemic of narcissism in this world. My wonder is: has it always been this way? I assume the answer is a resounding yes.

[@Ephicx]

@@ricardozetino6907 but they were bad changes, the owner didnt make them themself so very bad for ego. bad change. back to usual.

[@finalcut612]

I think a lot of people are missing the true villains of this story and that's studio executives. When writers and directors and actors say "It's not my job to satisfy fan expectations" it's because that's actually not their job, it's their job to satisfy executive expectations, expectations formed through AB testing and focus groups and test screenings and general arrogance. When a show is bad or safe or dissappointing, it's 99% of the time because the execs in charge aren't interested in making good art, they're interested in making good money, and good art is more difficult to market.

[@anthonyzullo]

This argument is broken if you remember Deadpool 1 and their marketing. They grabbed an audience that had NOTHING to do with the fans. Their marketing was fun, engaging and different. The general audience was introduced to the character and history simply through marketing so when the seats were filled the movie spent maybe 10 15 minutes on origin story and got right into the film. That alone proved that the audience and Hollywood is at a disconnect. Since 2018 and Hollywood filled their writer rooms production teams with woke women and fem bois. Then everything went downhill, every studio did it.

[@MajorWeedrow]

You both are wrong tbh. The biggest thing isnt marketing or executive producers though they are both garbage elements of the industry atm. It's that these writers have no backbone or principle to their writing. They are writing a big show so they must be hot shit when nah. Your success does not dictate quality. It's the writers job to write a good story and they just aren't. Though I suppose there is the element where good writers just aren't getting hired so for that reason it's true the executives are to blame but for hiring hacks, not for setting expectations poorly. That's the writers job to do and the execs to hire the ones who have the right priorities.

[@finalcut612]

@@MajorWeedrow What evidence do you have that these writers have 'no backbone'. Some of the best TV has come out in the last 4-5 years, multiple contenders for 'greatest film of all time' have been released in the same timeframe. Everyone always thinks the writers are 'weaker' than they were before, the same way everyone things art is 'worse now' when actually you're just suffering from recency bias. However, we know from shareholder meetings and insider info that executives ARE playing it safer and relying on reboots and franchises instead of trying to let writers' 'backbones' shine through. There are more writers than ever, just by raw statistics that means there must be more excellent writers than ever. The amount of CEOs, on the other hand, has shrunk, and the result has been the consolidation of media gatekeeper power into a near monopolistic hellhole. Writers who can barely make rent off their work aren't responsible for that.

[@lemonywater2979]

​@@anthonyzulloYou started off making sense and you ended it with your fear of woke demons. What even.

[@anthonyzullo]

@lemonywater2979 no, I WORK in the industry since I'm apart of SAG, that is exactly what happend. You can CLEARLY see the decline in not just content but viewership and the fans themselves saying what's happening. I am not fear mongering, I'm speaking facts.

[@Jawesome1Shazam]

Giovanni Bottesini, mid to late 1800s upright bass virtuoso, was the conductor of the Havanna Opera Company for a little bit of his career. He toured the US one time with the company and there are letters where he wrote to friends and family in Europe saying the production was trash and the singers were awful and the shows were wildly out of tune and he would trash the Americans' ear saying they are too dumb to understand music and was so surprised the concerts would sell out everywhere they performed. On the flipside of this story, Bottesini was known to play his bass during intermissions, improvising variations on the melodies in the opera that night. You can find newspaper articles from around the US where the company performed not talking about the opera and the performances, but talking about "The Great Bottesini" and how he's coming to play his bass. Americans literally went just to sit through the intermissions to hear JUST HIM play. If anything, that shows the resolve of the Americans of the time as they were willing to sit through trash performances just to hear some guy play a big, dumb instrument.

[@m1germsy784]

Dang the Americans are dumb stereotype has gone that far back? Sheesh.

[@doctorlegs1234]

A good example of the creators blaming the audience is the ending of GoT. The directors hit 'em with the "Not all endings are satisfying"

[@maru-dy5ld]

my balls hurt

[@SHAKE-S-PIERRE]

The actors didn’t even like it😂😂😂

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin!!😱

[@eq7161]

I mean it's true that not all endings are satisfying and they don't need to be

[@patriciamurfitt4590]

I've rewritten it several times in my mind 😅 mine is better

[@PossumReviews]

"It's not my job to fulfill your expectations." Yeah, actually, it quite literally is. If you're directing a show that's part of a major pre-established franchise with a huge fanbase, those fans are going to have expectations based on the standards set by previous entries into that franchise, and it's fair for them to expect those expectations to be fulfilled. If you go to McDonald's and order a burger, you're not gonna be happy if they give you soup.

[@tortillachips3911]

this!!!!

[@TimeTravelingAsshole]

I couldn’t have said it better myself

[@aarondavis8943]

I also love how _exceeding_ expectations isn't even considered to be a possibility. _Subverting_ expectations is another thing entirely, from another galaxy far, far away.

[@crustybomb115]

strange how this subsection of the entertainment industry says that entertaining the audience isnt the main goal...

[@keit99]

​@@crustybomb115well the Main Goal is Money These days.

[@saddlepiggy]

One thing I hate is knowing where the story is going to go after the first episode. For example, Mandalorian season 3. After episode 1 or 2 my friends and I discussed where the story could go and pretty much got it spot on because we knew Disney wouldn’t do anything even marginally different.

[@wjzav1971]

That's not a new problem. Big studios have often blamed audiences or at least claimed "They are not ready for our genius yet" when a film flopped.

[@dezzi8358]

I fully understand that Henry Cavill didn’t wanna play Geralt anymore. Good for him for standing by his beliefs of what the show should’ve been. If they actually continue without him I can’t imagine anyone’s gonna watch

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin!!😱

[@Dont_Read_My_Picture]

Don't read my name!!..

[@YraExalgaSkgs]

We won't.

[@reddagger3602]

fr, henry made that show great.

[@Flamingauss]

Tbh I feel super bad for Henry dude wass an amazing Superman they just tore the identity up. He gets to play badass Geralt, and the same thing. A guy with his hobbies in fantasy and nerd stuff this has to hurt mentally watching these ips just get handled so piss poorly.

[@Robin_Goodfellow]

Do you know why fanbases become "devoted, even rabid?" It's because once upon a time someone wrote a story that was really good, and people fell in love with it. If you paint over that story and pretend that yours is better, expect a negative response. If you claim that their responses don't matter, it just shows that you never understood the canvas you were painting on in the first place.

[@Hauntaku]

Fans have their own canon and the writers as well. My fanon is that Wreck-it Ralph: Ralph Breaks the Internet never happened. Vanellope is still in the Sugar Rush arcade machine enjoying racing.

[@tallesrodrigues5994]

​@@Hauntaku I really wanted the 2nd movie to be about "soulless sequels to famous games". It would be so cool to see Ralph fighting an updated version of himself and teaching his clone what he learned in the first movie.

[@JonnyBoi12]

​@tapp.on.my-pic78Bye, Bot!

[@mikadosannoji553]

@@tallesrodrigues5994 zamn the writers missed out, and they couldve appealed to the kids by making updated ralph dumb and bright coloured

[@VTWS]

Eh, season 1 was nice and decently reviewed. Went downhill after

[@elijahherstal776]

I'm not a creative storyteller, or any kind of 'arts' person- but I like to make a cheesecake every now and then. Actual cheesecake, from scratch. And I want people to enjoy it- but it hasn't always been very good; so I want people to tell me if they don't like it, and why they don't like it. Even if I thought I did well, what's important to me is the people who come over for dinner enjoy what I made. I'm not going to tell them their palate is unsophisticated, or their dessert preference is trash, or accuse them of secretly hating me. I figure if I was selling the cheesecake as a business, it'd be about the same- I'd wanna know why they didn't like it. A cheesecake is a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to make than a television show or a movie.

[@ryanjackson241]

I don't know why this spoke to me so much xD

[@justaregulardude895]

Professional artists have way more pride than your average home chef does. That's the problem here- pride. Directors and writers often don't want to work on pop culture powerhouse projects because there's no room to tell something different or do something the way they want without it causing backlash. They aren't fans of the pop culture material, they are fans of the medium of film. But that's no excuse- if you go to a tattoo artist who hates anime or a cook who hates asparagus, you'd still expect them to make your Naruto tat look awesome or your asparagus taste amazing. That's because there's a 1-to-1 relationship involved...and there isn't for film and TV. There are the middlemen of production companies, distributors, theaters, and streamers/broadcasters that all get in the way. So they have a shield to hide behind and a veil to put over their eyes, what we think is out of sight, out of mind. They were paid a job and did it like their bosses wanted and it sucked.

[@Adriethyl]

This reminds me that a bunch of food products (haven't checked if they still do) had a number you could call on the packaging to tell them about your experience/feedback to improve the product.

[@K-11609]

It also sucks when a studio tries to stick to their guns with a franchise and consider every story, whether good or bad to have an impact on what's to come. Worst example of this is Star Wars Ep 8 and 9. Those two films single-handedly made the future stories that revolved around past events worse because Disney attempts to use things like the comics and The Mandalorian to justify the terrible narrative elements (clone Sidious, Snoke and Exogol just to name a few) and not even acknowledge that those plot points may be bad. Like an Ostrich sticking it's head in the sand only instead of danger, Disney is doing so to ignore EVERYONE saying that they screwed up the story.

[@crypted9757]

it's weird how companies are simultaneously extremely boring and safe but also insultingly stupid and consumer-unfriendly

[@kinglewis6553]

I think they do that on purpose. They try to piss everyone off while pretending it's for a cause to get people to talk about them for extra engagement. Velma is a perfect example, they tried to piss everyone off while pretending it was due to some liberal agenda, but it only proved they weren't liberal at all. Meanwhile, everyone was too busy arguing with each other to notice. Once that starts they just pour on more gas to the fire

[@user-qz6nk1le5n]

It is not weird to be honest, when you realize that movies are made for the investors and not the public or the director

[@diatribeeverything]

Don't puss out Charlie. Call it what it is. They label audiences "sexist" and "racist" far more than "stupid".

[@junkolover9518]

We have a saying "If you run after two hares, you will catch neither.", and they're trying to run after all the hares at the same time.

[@tylergannon7398]

@@user-qz6nk1le5nI don’t think it’s that, movies have been made for a long time with plenty of investors involved and now they’re losing money anyway. A lot of these movies and shows are just flopping.

[@Anytth1ng]

A director saying its not their job to satisfy viewers is like a pornstar saying its not their job to make you have a happy ending

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin!!😱

[@TechnobladeNeverDies8592]

A director saying its not their job to satisfy viewers is just stupid

[@Dont_Read_My_Picture]

Don't read my name!!

[@kaniac_]

wild analogy 😭😭

[@wherethequietbeingsgo]

@@kaniac_fr lmao

[@sspectrolite]

I love how Charlie gives an example of an appropriate response to a situation that is 100% better than the responses people actually give to them

[@VerchielxKanda]

Thank you for talking about this, Charlie. I stopped watching The Witcher after season one, cause the lead actor started talking about how he didn't like the direction they were taking and many people said it started sucking. And the fact that they blame noodle-brain americans is really cheap. That's the thing, Charlie. All corporations only care about numbers and how they look good on their paychecks.

[@zeneck7387]

The two golden rules when writing something. - Don't give your audience what they want. But what they need. - DO NOT blame your audience.

[@Jumbleman5]

There needs to be an asterisk on that first one. If what you think they need is really far off than what they want, reconsider what you think they need.

[@crisantoe5057]

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[@jaredkino9258]

You should absolutely give them what they want, ESPECIALLY if it's an adaptation/sequel/reboot/etc. The amount of media these days that goes *painstakingly* out of it's way to insult the core audience is totally absurd. If a series is associated with goofy hijinks and over-the-top setpieces, that's *absolutely* what the audience should get! Not someone wagging their finger at how much they SHOULDN'T be enjoying any of this, and how dare they find it fun. If I'm a paying audience member, or a loyal fan, at least *half* of this project should be exactly what I expect of it and better. If the writer/director/creative team aren't positively THRILLED to do exactly this, they're in the wrong industry. I guess you should give people what they _need_ too, but that depends more on the story, I think. And also what _need_ even means. Who's to say you as the author even *know* what anyone needs? I feel the best route is to *honestly explore* a topic or condition, and let it be what it may. Let the project speak for itself. I think authenticity should be the ultimate goal. I hope I'm not coming off as an asshole or anything. Hard agree on the second point, but I pretty passionately disagree with the first one.

[@zeneck7387]

@@jaredkino9258 What i mean by the first point is that the majority of an audience aren't writters. They think they know what they want but in fact, they do not. I'm not saying to go agains't your audience, but that you don't need to catter to everything they says. Just focus on writting a good story. i don't care about what " loyal fans " want. They always seek the same shit over and over again and are too afraid to move on and accept that every fiction needs to end or at least change. I can think of many pieces of fiction that keeps giving what the average " fan " wants and they all became criminally boring and uninteresting. Be it movies, mangas, animes or video games.

[@jimmythe-gent]

Yeah I think that first one is the reason all of these movies/series are flopping. Assuming you know whats best for those silly poors... Its an elitist, classist mindset thats apparently costing them.

[@drewmendoza2041]

The weirdest thing about this trend is these people manage to make even the general audience mad when almost everything in this era is being made to appease the general audience at the expense of alienating the hardcore fans. If the general audience says it is bad then they just shit the bed really hard so bad.

[@alexiz0013]

Exactly, ffs 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@elijahherstal776]

You're not wrong about that. It also doesn't help when a regular person sees that liking or not liking a movie/show/game is basically 'choosing sides' in a culture war battle- it's just a lot less hassle for them to take a 'hard pass' on it.

[@SirDavid290]

So they made an Amber heard ?

[@KeitieKalopsia]

@@SirDavid290lol

[@sosmooth13]

I might be late to all this, but is that why it seems like directors or screen writers are ignoring the source material? Because I just assumed these people want their own creativity implemented into the content for their own egos.

[@treesaretasty]

This has been happening more and more since the 2016 Ghostbusters remake 🙄 sure is taking a long time for Hollywood to learn it's lesson...

[@mittaw]

Watched Secret Invasion, then watched The Bear season 2. My god secret invasion is a soulless show. I felt nothing. The Bear gave me anxiety, stress, depression, fulfilling happiness, wholesomeness and made me cry. All within 10 episodes.

[@NinjaMan47]

Just a reminder: Streaming companies will never release actual viewership numbers on their shows willingly. One huge reason is so they never have to own up to what shows objectively flopped and didn't attact viewers.

[@CyberRunner2077]

@@aidanfoley6463I think they were talking about streaming sites like Netflix or Disney plus. Not streamers like moistcritikal.

[@darianstarfrog]

​@@aidanfoley6463woops.. r/woosh moment

[@karakaaa3371]

Why would they need to own up for flops? Other than shareholders, who already have quarterly earnings reports.

[@Jo24689]

@@aidanfoley6463 The higher the viewership of the show meaning more subscribers.

[@asagoldsmith3328]

​@@CR-bm6vk the same logic applies to subscription based streaming services though

[@sombrashadow0013]

The most egregious case of this is when the live action Death Note movie came out. The director called anyone who hated it a troll and a crybaby, and when people came after him even harder, he just deleted all his social media and was never heard from again.

[@maninhu9837]

That's why you don't put your full name online

[@mrnonpoints7271]

Lol good

[@nukiesduke6868]

and people out here really think netflix is going to be able to handle One Piece. The anime with probably the most insane world building ever in an anime.

[@mahoganytrumpet]

i was thinking the same thinh

[@decarus834]

@@nukiesduke6868 tbf they are validated with the creator of one P is more hands on then most others but i doubt its gonna be that good, especially when there are "fans" out there that think theyre better them the creator of the IP.

[@ninjareskin4443]

Hollywood writers attacking their audience can be described by the quote “I didn’t loose, I merely failed to win.”

[@NeutralGloomBot]

I feel the only people afraid to read reviews of their own work are people that know they were going to fail from the get go for whatever reason.

[@Dimotai-Music]

This is actually a common attitude from influencers throughout the entire entertainment industry too. The combination of overall brand & image insecurity and feeling underappreciated in such a competitive industry brings this attitude and can be seen among a significant amount of artists, musicians, and other entertainers whatnot these days. The entertainment industry is hard. Deciding to work for your passion will not be easy. Expect hate and criticism - if you can't handle it, find another reputable source of income.

[@LuisSierra42]

Ridley Scott said the same thing when The Last Duel bombed, but that movie was good

[@eileenbrown_]

True words spoken here 💯

[@eileenbrown_]

@Susnation532 I think you're projecting

[@noxabellus]

-another-

[@swordsnorchids1997]

Some people are always gonna judge or dislike you or whatever you do so why even care it's not a big deal that's just the reality we live in.

[@Alteronx]

They simplified everything by overcomplicating the entire thing while going away from source material. Who else could pull such a genius move

[@EpicwinFTW27]

I have rarely seen a production team as pathetic, desperate, stupid, and fragile as the Witcher team. I feel bad for Cavill and everyone else on the crew who joined the show out of actual passion and respect for the source material. Netflix would rather give this IP to a bunch of weirdo leftists on their soapboxes than, I don't know, a team of Polish people who know and love the source material more than anyone else in the world.

[@alby7186]

💯

[@diatribeeverything]

Don't puss out Charlie. Call it what it is. They label audiences "sexist" and "racist" far more than "stupid".

[@yonghominale8884]

@@diatribeeverything Well it's true. Half the country still supports Trump even though he's been indicted 3 times.

[@titanmasterxd6329]

⁠​⁠@@yonghominale8884 Ah, yes, because Trump is the reason directors are right by calling audiences "racist" and "sexist". Get real, the directors are not correct and it has nothing to do with politics.

[@janagax]

As someone who makes short stories, the temptation is always there to blsme the audience when something isnt well received. You put your heart jnto a project and it goes nowhere, so you start to think "if only those idiots would understand!" Part of maturing though is getting past that and understanding that you failed, and if you'd have done your job better then the audience would have liked it. It's humbling, but you have to suck it up

[@SomberP]

When I have a conversation I also talk and then immediately tune out whatever the other person says

[@HawkTeevs]

I love how the director of Secret Invasion says "It's not my job to fulfill the fans' expectations" because given the source material, that's quite literally half his job

[@estinhewart]

👄 > 🐔🚫 , you eat 🌱 plants, not 🐄🐖 animals

[@Merble]

@@estinhewart The plant overlords are ashamed of your crimes. You will pay for your abuses of the herbaceous.

[@estinhewart]

@@Merble Vegans use the least plants compared to non vegans who pay for animals to be bred, raised and consume plants their whole life until they become a single meal.... so I wonder who the plant overlords would be more worried about 🤔 Also, plants aren't sentient and don't have a nervous system, unlike animals

[@levievil9220]

@@estinhewartthey breath they eat they die some even made themselves mouths just to survive if you mean by higher thinking like humans than technically all animals except for dolphins monkey and rats are allowed to be eaten with what you said in mind now if you mean something else I will listen and try to counter

[@Func710n3rr0r]

@@estinhewart Plants ARE sentient, and also release gas as if it was screaming in pain. We're omnivores for a reason, and carnivores eat other animals too. What's the issue?

[@redmoon4694]

“I didn’t read the reviews, so I don’t care” is the answer I’d expect from some jaded teenager after losing their phone 😂

[@Dont_Read_My_Picture]

Don't read my name!!

[@SussyRobloxLord]

I EXPOSED CHARLIE ON MY TIMELINE😂😂😂😂

[@acmx72]

love watching this type of videos, a very good-looking guy + nice voice + good takes/opinions it's like watching the news but i actually care

[@eddyram4932]

The best thing about the film industry nowadays is that it makes it so easy to save money😂

[@mVic8]

Me, as a modern-day writer or director: - I can’t (or won’t) make original content - Even though I have source material, I refuse to have knowledge (or respect) for it - I only care about telling the story that I want to tell - I don’t listen to feedback from my audience - I won’t take any personal responsibility for my lackluster performance - As long as my peers take the same stance as I do, there are no repercussions for my behavior

[@arkadiptabiswas2769]

They pretty much write their own fanfiction using the existing source material as props . Not talented enough to create their own world , so they butcher and make Frankenstein s monster out of someone else's .

[@toddchavez8274]

This reflects how the art of compromise is dead.

[@DarkNinjaCrede]

You forgot, also I'm irreplaceable, pay me more money to do less work

[@decarus834]

Dont forget that even the company (marvel) validates that the source should be ignored and and disrespected at any point possible, cause fuck the fanbase we bought out.

[@crustybomb115]

dont forget this: - I will literally go to ANY existing story and use it as a skinsuit for my own means

[@buddabudda]

It feels like a lot of people in entertainment media forget that they're not an essential service. Their ability to keep working is entirely dependent on the audience's desire for that work to exist.

[@estinhewart]

Just like animal agriculture is only sustained by people's purchases. Boycott animal products and their production decreases or stops. Go vegan to help save the environment, the animals, and people's health (including yours)

[@estinhewart]

Choose plant based to fight climate change

[@Hauntaku]

Bad writing is just as important as good writing. Everything can be improved and adapted upon.

[@windhamwood9030]

@@estinhewartBut what if I WANT the climate to change?

[@zac-1]

They targeted gamers. Gamers. We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did. We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun. We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second. Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded. Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights? These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex. Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.

[@yugshende3]

I like your story arc. just a year ago I saw you were making videos about only the trend itself but you wouldn’t add your own suggestions or comments. But this is a much better you. I didn’t follow you much but I still remember the Japanese Pokémon migraine video you had done. Hope you (and I both) keep growing as a person (I think we are about the same age if not a few years here and there). Cheers.

[@davidwhite5377]

It is always annoying when a program ends badly, I think I was about 6/7 when I learned that a story has a beginning, middle and end. Since then (I'm 39 now) a story isn't complete if anyone of them isn't done well.

[@gannondrums2741]

7:23 new reaction dropped

[@balintgyuri6555]

I love it when people I want to support start gaslighting me and making me feel bad because they are making bad decesions and I disagree with them! Such a loving response to actual and valid criticism!

[@ChaoticallyAnxious]

Reminds me of my childhood!

[@dylanshorrorchannel1378]

Who’s fault is that dot supporting these douchbags in the first place.

[@alexiz0013]

​@@ChaoticallyAnxious ...yooo... 💀😭

[@ultimaxkom8728]

@@ChaoticallyAnxious Childhood reminds me of my uncle.

[@kibasays]

If by “loving” you mean “defensive and insecure,” then yes lol

[@shailacastillo927]

As a survivor of SA, the stories that I do hear are unfortunate. News can be depressing, whether good or bad, but what does matter is the truth. When you aren’t honest with yourself, it can start a lot of issues. There have been times where I’ve felt guilt, shame, humility, but I’ve learned to live with my consequences. I’ve been with my boyfriend for about 2 years now and he has been an ultimate support system when it comes to managing my emotions. We’ve both been there with each other every step of the way to ensure that I do feel protected during hard times. Hurting others or staying silent does not help anyone learn, but only causes more confusion.

[@astamorgan-hill7785]

Get out of my head! LoL This is exactly what I was feeling, listening to Charlie. I used the story as an analogy to something going on in my life, currently. I'm so glad you have a supportive partner. Narcissistic people, who deny any blame can be very draining to a victim.

[@shadowmist9093]

It just makes them look worse not willing to accept responsibility

[@Camlling]

“We didn’t listen to anyone who cared about the source material for our show and we fired the most important member of the cast” Two seconds later: “Oh no why did it flop”

[@antonkirilenko3116]

*surprised Pikachu face*

[@Sai-ns9ky]

Who did they fire?

[@roseemoji1765]

@@Sai-ns9kyI think they’re talking ab the Witcher and Henry Cavill (who literally plays Geralt the Witcher). Cavill was a huge fan of the OG Witcher books/games. He left the show after season 3, most likely due to disagreements with show writers / directors over the direction it was going. Cavill said in an interview he’d do as many seasons as needed of the show as long as they stayed true to the source material, which they have not been doing at all.

[@nickynoodles88]

The sheer amount of contempt these companies have for the paying customer absolutely astounds me.

[@hearmth6618]

Many of them see their paying customers solely as their wallets 💰

[@plicketyplunk]

I see that happening more and more.

[@diatribeeverything]

Don't puss out Charlie. Call it what it is. They label audiences "sexist" and "racist" far more than "stupid".

[@abdou.the.heretic]

​@@diatribeeverythinggood luck proving that, things are so intermingled they amount to be collectively true. The system is made both for class and race, but to what extent is different from each ceo down to the blue collar downstairs.

[@mrguy561]

And don't forget the lethal amounts of cope they have with how they think they're capable of producing anything good.

[@TheSuckoShow]

"Is it our job to fulfill their expectations?" He's either being dishonest or he's in denial about MCU being the Mcdonald's of film.

[@jonathanbenoza8136]

You are right, thats the best response anyone could give, perhaps the ideal one, is to be humble. Problem is that ite easy to think of the most ideal way to do things when we are looking from this point of view. The people that would correctly havr been humble and put aside their pride on something they worked hard on would be one of the best people in the world. Ghandian levels of patience.

[@theantitroll]

Imagine having the audacity to blame other people for not wanting to see your bad movie/ tv show

[@theantitroll]

@@SussyRobloxLord You’ve just been visited by the Anti-Troll. Cease your trolling.

[@estinhewart]

What if I label you a troll?

[@estinhewart]

Maybe you will pick up some stones and throw them at me then. I guess that's the only way to tell a real troll

[@estinhewart]

🧌🪨

[@yunjin909]

She-Hulk writers:

[@Vonzercroft]

It's so wild seeing directors / producers / c-suite go with blaming the audience when it killed one of the biggest media franchises. Game of Thrones died almost overnight when they got bored and wanted to subvert expectations.

[@fedk5128]

Game of thrones viewership grew every year. It didn’t “die overnight”

[@JW-mb6tq]

Subvert expectations = do something random, political, pseudo intellectual because I am all out of ideas and bad at my job.

[@Bassium08]

@@JW-mb6tq Barry season 4 in a nut shell.

[@mysticmink5104]

@@fedk5128yea he’s saying the show being good grew it’s audience and then they literally killed everything they had built in almost one fell swoop w the dogshit final season, afterward nb cared about anything GoT until HOTD came out. it could be argued that HOTD would have an even larger audience and impact had they not ruined the og show

[@fedk5128]

@@mysticmink5104 how can you care about a show after it’s over? It’s ratings drastically dropped after season 5 (when they allegedly ran out of book material) but it just kept getting more viewers over the next 3 years. Didn’t HOTD also break viewing records in its first season? I just think GoT is a bad example because it’s viewership peaked in the last season.

[@trashcandave6448]

Same thing happened with the battlefield 2042 team. Claimed that the change from classes to specialist wasn’t well received bc players “didn’t understand how specialist worked”. They tried to change a core feature of battlefield for the sake of cosmetics and premium skins and instead of acknowledging they messed up they claimed the community just couldn’t understand the change

[@WingManFang1]

Agreed, I still can’t comprehend how people can’t follow what’s happening in many shows/movies and games. But that’s no reason to blame others for a bad production.

[@kanarokan6060]

Can't forget Cleopatra, when the director, Jada Smith and the lead actress presented with objective truths that they got wrong in their "documentary", they proceeded to shit over the audience they based the show on and painted critics as racists. Completely insane.

[@def3ndr887]

Those said racists were Egyptians themselves.

[@jayl5032]

"Diversity-washing" is a real thing. Revisionists get nothing and will not get a cent from me.

[@SGA2OKC]

@@def3ndr887 and they wouldn’t be racist for doing their job 💀

[@danhillenburg4487]

What's extra frustrating is that people have been saying this for several years now, and we were gaslighted over and over again. I guess it's good people are waking up. Better late than never.

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

I feel like I started to notice it was Kennedy calling Star Wars fans misogynists instead of addressing any criticism and that kind if gave a green light to everyone to be obnoxious assholes.

[@kaingates]

​@Aaron-kj8dv to be fair. Star wars fans were obnoxious assholes way before Kennedy hit the scene

[@DamienDarkside]

Literally since female Ghostbusters and Hollywood claiming misogyny, when everyone was complaining about CGI being worse than the original's practical effects. I even remember the Vine of that one loser doing that "I'm an adult virgin" mocking people hating the movie, and lo and behold it didn't make any money. Immediately they dropped the "female" thing for a new series in a few years. Can't wait to be called a fucking racist Nazi misogynist because I didn't like the dwarves-not-dwarves of Snow White that doesn't feature Snow White at all.

[@saskialolita]

@@DamienDarkside​​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠ lol well uhh if you do get called any of those things for not liking Snow White & the non-dwarf dwarves it might be bc you’ve already trashed it, written it off and claimed it “doesn’t [even] feature Snow White at all”, despite never having seen the movie cuz it doesn’t even come out til next year 🙄

[@iGotEggs]

Your profile picture brought back memories.

[@jamie2118]

This also connects to how the producers of The Little Mermaid accused East Asian countries of not appreciating their movie and blamed the "racist" minds of East Asian individuals for not supporting a black-lead main character. Truly disgusting how they blamed global audiences for their bad writing.

[@darealrylocke6531]

Don't forget how the people who worked on Netflixs Cleopatra called the entire country of Egypt racist because they didn't like their history being changed, and one of the most important people from their history being race swapped

[@jamie2118]

@@darealrylocke6531 Right, that was such a ridiculous instance as well.

[@DamienMcArthur]

It's ironic because they were racist to east asians for assuming that all east asians are like that

[@robertrealrosso237]

There's a saying in entertainment and performance that goes like "the audience is dumb" and that refers to how if you flub a line or mistake something exact, the audience most times can't tell. I think in film and TV they take that quote waaaay too far and think they can simplify and bastardize scripts and the audience will still intake the content. Kind of shameful

[@nigachad4031]

"its not our job to meet peoples expectations" said by the person whos exact job is to meet peoples expectations when it comes to writing.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

This is called entitlement. Their job is too craft whatever story they deem fit. It’s not about heading to masses or any individual.

[@hell1942]

​​@@Thanosdidtherighthingwell it flows both ways, craft a shitty story, and no one will be willing to support it, writers and directors alike aren't entitled to support Funny how you pointed that out so quickly while ignoring this

[@Zarkarin]

@@Thanosdidtherighthing It is not literally their job to meet people's expectations but when they produce something the audience does not like they don't make money, which means meeting or surpassing expectations so in the only way that matters, yes it is. They can make movies as a hobby but nobody is gonna throw a high budget at a project with no profit in mind. They have to entertain the audience, your argument is basically the same as saying a comedian's job is to tell jokes not make people laugh.

[@cantin8697]

​​​@@ThanosdidtherighthingNo it's not. The entitlement comes from expecting people to buy your movie and give you lovely reviews just because you want them to, not from the people who expect to enjoy a movie they paid for and are frustrated that the movie is bad. If you want to be successful, then people must enjoy your work - and it's not our job to like your work. I'm sorry, but creative jobs aren't exempt from the real world.

[@nigachad4031]

@@Thanosdidtherighthing failing to meet expectations = no money you cant make a crappy product and expect to make money off it

[@SSingh-nr8qz]

I have worked in the creative field for 40 years, and that's in TV and film, print, and 3d animation, as well as fine arts, and woodworking. Unless you are working on a personal art project, then the connection to the audience *IS* the reason you are creating something. You are trying to make a connection so you can educate, entertain, challenge, or other wise profit off of. Getting mad at the customer tells me you didn't know your customer in the first place.

[@jayl5032]

True. If you say: "I dont care what you want, I'm the one making the [item/product]." You'd be in hot water. If that was the case, you'd get no customers. Apparently big businesses just have no fucking clue anymore.

[@marmorad4319]

Huge creators these days are such babies, I don't know how they got where they are. It's like they never went through a professional critique in their lives. What gets me is that even IF large sections of consumers wanted braindead garbage, as an artist it's still the bitchboy crybaby move to then capitulate to that, fail to adhere to your vision, make bad art on purpose, then cry about it.

[@vsxbluskittlez]

this reminds me of the mr show bit on coupon the movie where they sued all of america for not watching the movie

[@ZA-mb5di]

10:38 hearing Charlie say cope was a welcome surprise

[@josiahtheawkward6008]

It’s crazy seeing these grown adults covering their ears and saying “lalalalala” whenever they hear criticism

[@SussyRobloxLord]

I EXPOSED CHARLIE ON MY TIMELINE😂😂😂😂

[@SussyRobloxLord]

I EXPOSED CHARLIE ON MY TIMELINE😂😂😂😂

[@DenLim123]

Because they rather promote the woke agenda, just look at Charlie, he never once mentioned the root cause of the issues with modern media, "inclusivity and wokeness"

[@dennydude]

​@@zogwort1522that is actually a mental illness, mental illness shouldn't be glorified. A 13 year old doesn't have a fully developed brain.

[@unboxing_legend7708]

POV: 99.9% of people across the world these days to literally anything people disagree on or dont like.

[@bblvrable]

It's one thing to attempt to "subvert audience expectations" when you're making an art-house movie. When you're making a show within a gigantic existing cinematic universe, *yeah* you're supposed to meet audience expectations. That's the entire point of a franchise and cinematic universe.

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

My favorite reply to "Well it subverted expectations" will always be "Yeah, I expected a good movie and it really subverted those expectations."

[@thesupergamer5894]

I wpuld like to point out, at 8:30 charlie mentions the books (idk if the article does ot not) but the writers and producers of this show have actively bragged about how they havent read or played the books or games

[@WFanatic502]

Some of my absolute favourite storylines are steeped in probably novels worth of lore. Or the characters are so well-rounded that you feel the struggles they feel, and their triumphs. They feel real. Im not in it to just maah the action figures together, though i love a good action scene... im in it for the story and the characters.

[@calebwolf6626]

So glad Hollywood is having all the issues they are now, they're so disconnected from the average person, hopefully the issues force them to also reflect on their audience blaming coping mechanism.

[@quartdude]

NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY KZbin!!😱

[@Dont_Read_My_Picture]

Don't read my name!!

[@hibarikyoya854]

This isn't even new it's just because social media has evolved so much that they can see the criticisms easier.

[@blackice214]

@@hibarikyoya854Na Hollywood made better movies in the 2000s and actually had decent stories and no wokeness …now it’s just mush of talking points and wannabe virtue 😂😂

[@user-wd8om1bs3t]

That’s what real funny about Hollywood the actors directors and writers who are some what normal humble people they are labeled an “ outcast” and “unsafe” to work with because they are connected to reality and call out terrible direction for whatever they are working on. We are seeing it with Henry Cavill rn dude should legit be in everything but nah let’s say he’s terrible to women on set that was a straight up attack on his life because he wanted to make a good show honestly not surprised there isn’t more people the him it takes balls to do what he did.

[@nightmarishcompositions4536]

The only reason The Witcher got greenlit for television in the first place is because there were already legions of fans who loved and understood the books and games. The books by the way are always far more intelligent, nuanced, complex and thought provoking than the poorly made adaptations. Rings of Power and Wheel of Time are great examples as well.

[@D_YellowMadness]

Not always. Stephen King is a gamble in that regard. Sometimes, the book is great & the movie is terrible. Sometimes, it's the other way around. Sometimes, both are great. Sometimes, Stephen King sees the dumb ending of an adaptation & wishes he'd ended the book that way. When Stephen King makes a show/movie based on his own book it's always awful.

[@jokerjamie8701]

I appreciate the fact that you brought up the Wheel of Time

[@nightmarishcompositions4536]

@@D_YellowMadness That’s totally fair. I’m a huge Stephen King fan that enjoys his novels more than the movies and series 90% of the time, but there are a couple of gems here and there. Stand By Me, Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile and 11/22/63 all have fantastic adaptations.

[@Benjamin_Aveyard]

the witcher show is still pretty good

[@goodtimesgivecancer1]

​@@Benjamin_Aveyardit really isnt. From someone who has only read the books, it's really bad.

[@jaq_frost]

When skibidi toilet have more complex narrative than these shows

[@margiela1k844]

7:26 has that woah yeah baby vibe

[@its_dey_mate]

The Witcher wasn't simplified, it was convoluted to the point of being unrecognizable. The complex and beautiful World of the Witcher was put into a crusher machine, then a hydralic press, then chewed, spat, eaten, puked and muddled with corporate boxes that needed to be checked. A writer dropped before after s2 and he said all the writers hate the source material.

[@estinhewart]

Choose plant based to fight climate change

[@asagoldsmith3328]

Isn't that why Cavill left

[@spikethepichu3445]

@@asagoldsmith3328 Yup. His one condition (as a huge Witcher fan) was that they don’t deviate from the source material. As soon as they went back on that, he split and got the rights to go buck wild with Warhammer content. Massive L for Netflix but a huge W for Warhammer fans

[@cobaltfog]

I thought it was being changed to target Young Adults to sell the show off into syndication. It seemed like the milquetoast stuff CW makes for that purpose.

[@xWhackoJacko]

for reals. my mom asked me to rewatch it with her because i read the books and played the games multiple times and knew i'd understand. No cap? It was fuckin hard even for me to keep it all straight. And trying to explain to her this shit was even more difficult, lmao. She's one of those 'will watch til the end' kind of viewers (she stuck out all of Walking Dead when that show is absolute trash as early as S2) - and even she won't watch S3. When I told her Henry wasnt coming back for S4, she was like "oh well now i'm REALLY not going to watch it. He's the best part!". Yea, no shit. He was supposed to be but they couldn't even do that right.

[@mysterion1899]

This has been happening for like 6 or 7 years at this point and it finally seems like normal people are actually catching onto it.

[@Checkpoint_King]

It’s been happening to video games for years. Gamergate. All of Ubisoft’s interactions with their player base since like 2015, saints row reboot, the list continues.

[@DenLim123]

But they have to be inclusive and progressive, otherwise prove won't watch the shows, 😂 Charlie intentionally omitted this aspect because he's afraid of the libtards

[@debatenothing5676]

​@@Checkpoint_Kingdon't forget tlou2

[@unboxing_legend7708]

define normal these days because nothing about 99.9% of people is at all close to normal anymore. their version of normal is idiocy, being snowflakes, karens, and having 0 common sense or standards or care for the world after being the same people who destroyed it and wont own up to being part of it XD.

[@captainobvious.29yearsago70]

it's been happening since the invention of stories

[@Nermeen.]

It's a global trend right now, I started to notice it in my country too "Egypt considered as Hollywood of the middle east".

[@stitch1318]

Fun fact: George R. R. Martin told HBO that GOT was supposed to be 10 seasons, but HBO said "nah fuck it"

[@aclosetweeb6901]

You know we live in a sad world when directors of big movies can’t accept responsibility while the DmC reboot developers can.

[@mumfordboydylan8450]

Didn't they run away?

[@CrocvsGator]

I thought Tameem Antoniades and Ninja Theory were fiercely defensive, though?

[@ronjonald660]

The dmc reboot is the 2nd best game in the series I’m gonna keep it real

[@CrocvsGator]

@@ronjonald660 Behind what?

[@mumfordboydylan8450]

@ronjonald660 4th best. Dmc345 are better. I still play it tho because it is extremely fun. All the hate was undeserved.

[@CornyJusters]

"Dark" a show in a foreign tongue with extremely complex storyline with multiple timelines which made absolutely no effort at all to hold the audience hand, was massively popular in the US.

[@estinhewart]

Choose plant based to fight climate change and help animalkind

[@warriorninjaz]

@@estinhewart Nah, I think I'll stick with my delicious meat.

[@jaylinsa]

Dark is a masterpiece

[@drysoup3017]

​@@warriorninjazcan you share your meat with me too?

[@RuthlessShinobi]

@@warriorninjaz pause

[@michaelwawryk4875]

“ I made a mistake. but now its you’re mistake for noticing I made a mistake. “

[@DestinyKiller]

Dumbing down plots has been an issue for awhile. We don't need our hands held throughout a movie or show. Twin Peaks was absolutely huge and it didn't hold the audiences' hand

[@marsOrBust7816]

It's funny because a very serious 3 hour biopic about a physicist was one of the biggest box office successes of the year in the US. There's a yearning for really good, complex cinema.

[@mistywww3199]

One of the things I think is great about oppenheimer is that they never actually go into the science, They talk about it in simple terms that most people would be able to understand while not dumbing down any of it.

[@alexiz0013]

Heh, perfect point. Saw it in a packed theater, late night on 2nd weekend. 🤷🏽‍♀️ Excuses, excuses. Never would've thought humankind could develop an even more widespread issue with fault avoidance... yet here we are, lol. Can't even watch shamelessly corporate-ized franchise media without writers and directors claiming, "Your constructive criticism disrespects my artistry." 😒

[@DCBiscuit]

To be 100% fair, a LOT of people only went to see Oppenheimer for the memes and Barbenheimer. I’m not saying that’s the only reason it did well financially, not at all. But to say that there’s nothing outside of the “desire for good cinema” is stretching it in this instance.

[@massivecowbreakout7555]

​@@DCBiscuit I think that most of the masses went to see Oppenheimer so eagerly because of Barbenheimer, big explosion, Christopher Nolan, and star power. If it didn't have those 4 things, it would have been largly the same movie, but would have flopped.

[@DCBiscuit]

@@massivecowbreakout7555 I don’t think it would have flopped, but Nolan’s name behind it was definitely a big deal. I heard about that before I heard what the movie was about.

[@cosmic_zoan]

The problem is that people are quick to accept praise when a show is a hit but if it flops - the blame is passed onto everyone else. IYou can't just take credit for the W's, you have to take credit for the L's too.

[@mrcliff3709]

Victory has a hundred fathers but defeat is a orphan

[@emalaw1329]

Andrew Lloyd Webber in a nutshell, deflecting blame for every flop and general PR goof since 1979

[@bladerunner3314]

I'm a translator, one time a customer wasn't happy with the result, saying he can't print that. I already got paid and instead of saying "Not my job to please you" I refunded him.

[@Goz969]

Very well said, could not have been said better.

[@SunnyTheSimp]

Watching this on my birthday is a different kind of vibe

[@FTWSamFisher]

Lack of accountability and general lack of respect for people who are probably smarter than them

[@gecho8848]

My favourite part is the claim that they made it suck on purpose because audiences are too dumb. Like even if you assume that is true, they were still wrong. People still didn't like it despite the dumbing down, so at the end of the day they just made something that sucks and straight up admitted it. I don't understand how these people have jobs, seems like some pretty major projection. Even their excuses are badly written.

[@hell1942]

​@SecretLunarLabyou have dyslexia or sm?

[@dooddoingstuff]

"Even their excuses are badly written" is a such a good goddamn roast

[@Sir0fficerNasty]

"Jokes on you! I was only pretending to be a rtard!"

[@gigitrix]

You can make things work for casual viewers and still have the depth too, so when they say that they are saying "we scoped this all wrong from the start and had to try and salvage it midway through"

[@normalname3623]

Made it bad on purpose is hilariously dumb cope. They just can't accept the fact that they are bad writer

[@MaximumMadnessStixon]

One of my favorite things was when M.J. Bassett, the director of _Silent Hill: Revelation,_ actually came right out and admitted that she did a bad job and the film was a mess. She basically said that she tried to appease the producers, the fans and general audiences at the same time, and that it just didn't work and turned into a giant clusterfuck. And she said she knew she had to act like the movie was great in interviews to remain professional, even though she knew it was anything but. It was actually really refreshing to read that, and gave me a lot of respect for her as an artist. (And to her credit, some of her other work is fantastic. She did the really fun, underrated _Solomon Kane_ movie, worked on _Ash VS Evil Dead,_ etc.) There's nothing wrong with admitting a mistake and using it to learn.

[@artisseriechicken]

Totally no shade or disrespect, you didn't need the parenthesis part at all (it's not necessary to explain what MJ's deadname was). Again, I know you mean well here and it wasn't done with ill intentions, just letting you know in case you have any trans friends irl so you know not to do that. That aside, I have mad respect for Ms Bassett for admitting that. As an illustrator, it fucking sucks having to admit that I've sometimes spent 7 hours on a garbage drawing, but acknowledging our mistakes helps us grow and learn as creators. I'm def gonna look up her other works!

[@wildwyatxbox]

@@artisseriechicken Who asked? (it's also not necessary to narc on him for trying)

[@jarktonsley4717]

Sounds like a pretty decent guy at least

[@r0yal_]

@@artisseriechicken nobody cares, michael is michael

[@artisseriechicken]

​@@wildwyatxboxyou're the kind of person who won't tell your friend they have spinach in their teeth because you want them to look bad in photos lmao

[@ltrashmouth3320]

me and my new puppy Nixon watched this together, he looked actually invested and spins when I put you on lol

[@kaingates]

I haven't seen Witcher 3 but I think they got feedback from Netflix that they wanted a less complicated story with only one timeline. Tbf theyre competing with Love Island and Vanderpumps Rules so I can understand they want it to hit mass appeal considering the costs.

[@gamingpriests]

Your literal job is to make something people want to watch, how can you openly say you "don't care" and not be fired?

[@dennydude]

Hollywood is truly the land of failing upward.

[@jakedizzle]

Probably the Union.

[@darkcrazy6]

He's an "artist" : P

[@phazix6529]

Charlie makes a good point that there has become this status quo for movie makers to get in fueds with its audience and thats crazy considering how the status quo used to be where movie makers put their hearts and souls into art and kind of followed the saying that the customers always right, so upside down now a days

[@zombieslayer02gjustzombies85]

Yeah they’ve started doing it in fast food as well just so slowly it’s not bad enough yet

[@jmbec62]

Yeah that's kinda a load of tripe...

[@19994able]

It's almost a contradiction cause it's as if they think they're listening to the customer by dumbing it down to appeal to the masses but at the same time they are not listening to the original core audience. I just don't get it cause who is coming in at season 3 who had't already watched the earlier seasons and liked it? It makes no sense. It's just more proof that a lot of business people at the top are dumb as fuck with big ego's and just got there with good social skills

[@megahertzarteest3478]

I mean times have changed with the customers too, some people were the reason all the newest Star Wars movies were able to get sequels, and if I was a director I’d assume I could get mad at them lol

[@Noah-Lach]

"The customer is always right" has never been true, doubly-so in the creative field.

[@immortalvelociraptor7810]

“We have the shortest attention span ever right now” me currently preferring to watch video essays that are at least three hours or longer right now, because anything shorter makes me anxious most of the time. 😂

[@comedyman4896]

I just don't understand how they can say "I don't read reviews" and "My project was unfairly negatively reviewed" and expect us to believe both.