Twitch Chat Ruined His Life

[@cassiushellsin6243]

The fact that Chat was able to catch his message in the endless barrage that is Twitch Chat is incredible.

[@Aritis]

Speed readers fr

[@ymmoli2747]

@Dan Southwell your a nobody and always will be

[@DeltaDrifter2201]

Why do you think it had to be on a big streamers chat? You just assume it had to be on someone with a bunch of viewers? You must be a kid cause you clearly don't think about the possibilities before you make a statement. Its pretty obvious if its an unnamed streamers it could very well be a streamer with not too many people in the chat.

[@sentientcardboarddumpster7900]

Don't waste your time on my videos, Penguinzos videos are much better

[@coltclassic45]

I don’t even bother putting anything in chat. I figure no one can see it anyway.

[@ImNotPartofaCultNoReallyISwear]

There was a boy in my sister’s school making shooting threats. The police turned up at his house, and found that he had multiple guns, ammo, and a long hate letter to his classmates that proved he was ready to die carrying this out. It’s so hard to tell who’s making edgy jokes and who could actually be serious anymore.

[@cturtles9514]

that is absolutely terrifying, glad your sister and her classmates are safe.

[@JM-ot8ux]

The whole idea of "edgy" humor should be slapped down hard when it involves violence or threats.

[@ryandoucette5388]

@J M2064 I enjoy doing a ton of edgy humor but I have a strict line when following serious threats. I don't make threats outside of joking about slapping the shit of someone. I stick to drugs, screwing with my non-binary friends, (mostly just doing the incorrect pronouns, or the incorrect name. If their old name was Isabella, I recommend singing to them the Italian song "Bella Ciao.") and generally just screwing around with my friend by calling them various insults, and we all do that to eachother.

[@JM-ot8ux]

@@ryandoucette5388 Guys do that to each other. Women, less so. I do not understand the way guys constantly harass and tease each other in the name of "just horsing around, just giving him shit, just ragging on him, he knows we don't mean it, he knows that it's really a form of affection and a sign that you're accepted," and other minimizing statements. If someone were doing that to a very young child, it would be called bullying. But men seem to think constant verbal (and physical) punching at each other is, like, normal. I think it's weird. I know very few women who make sport of verbal violence toward each other. _Very_ few. Usually nothing more than calling each other bitch in a very mild context, i.e., "Bitch, I told that guy to fuck off, I tell you what." So tell me why it's so harmless when guys do it to each other. I have a feeling that guys aren't telling other guys what they don't like said to them. It's considered _sissy._

[@ryandoucette5388]

@J M2064 No, we don't consider it sissy, in fact if you say something like, "Hey, guys, I'm getting stressed, can we tone it down?" we say something like "Ah, crap sorry man, make sure to tell us if you're continuing to feel stressed. " We just never really take much seriously besides mental health. We mostly just say something like, "Hey, fuckface, mind throwing that Gatorade over here?" and the common practice would be to say "Yeah, sure," followed by another insult. However if we see someone is starting to get a little stressed or they say they are getting a little stressed, (our groups mainly consist of people with anxiety, autism, ADHD, so we stay mindful of eachother) we halt right away. Joking with each other is fine, but screwing with people till the point they are getting stressed out isn't. Of course this probably varies with different people of different cultures, but that's generally how I understand it to work.

[@lyras.9161]

Twitch chat didn't ruin his life, he ruined his life.

[@Icyy4406]

fr

[@jackbauer6543]

@@Icyy4406 Twitch chat saved lives by exposing this psycho.

[@Wwhdduendjdhhfmwosdn]

Gotta get them clicks 😔 /j

[@gaming_theswag2634]

@msmeggacha7701 this is the definition of "9+10=21"

[@samiam2003]

@MSMEG IX what

[@ArmDeepInPain]

1:27 "which mass shooter was that? Does anyone remember?" It's terrible that there's been so many of them that we lose track of which mass shooting you're talking about

[@AloraBernadotte]

Only in America 🤦‍♀️

[@AloraBernadotte]

@Bap-lt4ms USA, THE LAND OF THE MASS SHOOTERS AND GUNS!! 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🦅🦅🦅🦅🔫🔫🔫🔫

[@heyitsjustaz]

Basically monthly now

[@TheNobleShade]

Bravo to the twitch users for reporting him, I never expected chat as an entity to take that initiative.

[@TweekLudwig]

Sometimes chat can seem to be very annoying/crazy (from clips of some streamers I’ve seen), but this was amazing to hear about people come together to potentially save other people

[@piotrdworowy183]

WTF ,bravo for fake-accusation ,🤦‍♂️🤮

[@firstnamelastname503]

They gained a flake of intelligence after the ishowspeed crypto scam incident

[@dambigfoot6844]

Yes of course but a lot of twitch users are Autistic and perhaps wouldn’t understand sarcasm. Weaponized Autism saved the day because even if he wasn’t serious about his threat this is the type of guy to show up on Chris Hansen

[@GriffinZambia]

*Dont_Read_My_Names!* 😏......

[@theshadynorwegian6036]

Being able to say whatever you want is one thing, but finally we see someone get karma for literally threatening murder in a chat

[@SkiddatMidd]

More bots Than TF2 in 2020

[@Smoke.stardust]

@@SkiddatMidd fr, why hasn't KZbin done anything to stop this

[@CryoJnik]

@@Smoke.stardust They're too busy creating more avenues to screw over content creators and kiss up to corporations

[@Chiev]

lol

[@draktonaussiecat]

@msmeggacha7701your one of THOSE people huh by the looks of your content, clout grabber

[@pandahq8895]

Props to the people in twitch chat for reporting. I have absolutely no idea what I would even say or do to contact the right authorities and department to be taken seriously.

[@theboyfromcanada]

The FBI has a tip hotline you can call and report things to. Maybe they did that with the evidence attached.

[@dd867]

You can prob call your local police and they'll pass it through to the right authorities

[@sexygirlmax2019]

yeah usually they dont do shit unless you have their address

[@SnailHatan]

That’s because you don’t know how to do a basic internet search that my 8 year-old could.

[@pandahq8895]

@@SnailHatan Cool. Props to your 8 year old for caring enough and comprehending that concept, he's really smart. Unlike his father that likes to insult people on the internet 💀.

[@RoryStockton]

An actual 'perfect' example of be careful what you say online.

[@Spaethon]

On the Internet, everything's on the record, indefinitely.

[@imjustakid8528]

Fr

[@chriskirk9708]

@@Spaethon yet I still cant find where I lost my mind

[@notdipperpines6626]

Charlie is so accurate at the beginning. So many mass shooters and or murders, abusers etc... are KNOWN to the police and have a history of problems with law enforcement or authority figures and they just let them go. A woman was recently murdered in my town by her abusive ex after he was let out on bail after being arrested for assaulting her because she tried to get a restraining order against him but the judge decided he wasn't a threat to her, even though he had been in and out of jail for YEARS for aggravated assault. Like it leaves me baffled this happens so often.

[@danielchucho8198]

That judge should be fired for their incomptence.

[@kipter]

Its pretty crazy like the guy who ran those people over up north in minnesota i think it was. He was a convicted child rapist and had been arrested for assault and battery numerous times for his whole life. people like that should just be in jail for life if they demonstrate they cant stop doing it. Apparently some huge portion of crimes commited in nyc are by the same 1000 or so people.

[@freeflowconsciousness8243]

It's called corruption my friend.

[@Sheev_Palpatine93]

This isn’t the dark side

[@mjanny6330]

They'll let ones "slip through the cracks" if attacks on their chosen targets can be used to further their political goals.

[@AUser-t6n]

The hard truth is that law enforcement alone can't fix this. If you just lock them up for a few years for making threats, their mental health still won't be better once they leave prison.

[@johnedabz]

really good point, I just don’t get what a proper solution would look like.

[@beepityboopity]

Unfortunately in mental health, a factor of it is that the person genuinely wants to do the work and get better. You can force someone into a psychiatric facility, but if they don’t want to do the work, they’ll get out and go right back to where they were.

[@bunglebutts3163]

@@johnedabz having a robust mental health system that doesn't make you poor for trying to get help, would definitely help.

[@TherapyGel]

@@johnedabz Improved access to mental health services and a prison system that seeks to rehabilitate instead of punish. But be careful cause you'll be called a crazy socialist for suggesting that.

[@bunglebutts3163]

@@TherapyGel people will advocate for criminals to get the worst punishment possible and be treated less than human than get surprised when they re-offend. It's so frustrating to watch.

[@litterboxx2543]

Twitch chatters, discord mods, and redditors. The unholy trinity

[@maxl2778]

Chronic KZbin commenters are up there too

[@Oneiroi0]

And the devil, Twitter users.

[@H8crimesRGr8Crimes]

& then there’s 4chan, above all 3.

[@rain8767]

You forgot Tumblr, the birth mother.

[@Twizzyrih]

tdy ima kill

[@codyconnor6981]

I’m honestly surprised the FBI actually listened to concerned citizens rather then just writing their concerns off.

[@SnailHatan]

Yeah, you mean like those thousands of other times they listened? So shocking. I can’t believe law enforcement actually enforces laws. Absolutely incredible

[@dibel3669]

​@@SnailHatan well don't be surprised, its the same people who detained a clearly dangerous individual and then got surprised that they went on a shooting spree after setting the criminal free. It's the same people who know that every school shooter was detained at least once and had a criminal record of animal abuse.

[@crowdemon_archives]

@@SnailHatan it seems like USA police force is a hit or miss lol

[@wildfire9280]

@@dibel3669 Animal abuse isn’t taken nearly as seriously as it should when it reliably predicts the same for humans.

[@codyconnor6981]

@@crowdemon_archives Now you see why most Americans don’t trust the police, and are actively against any of the three letter organizations.

[@justjoshp8581]

im glad the fbi actually did something, usually they don't do jack when it comes to threats like this especially when its on a twitch chat where sick jokes could be easily made.

[@thegreatmomba]

@DONT READ MY PROFILE PICTURE ok i wont

[@dreadedTanker3173]

@MSMEG IX no it not

[@Maybe_Tom_Cruise]

@The Great Momba Don't do it God damnit I know you're tempted.

[@thegreatmomba]

@AquaUwU your parents must not be very proud of you.

[@Totallyfizzle]

To be fair, imagine how many reports the FBI gets every day, many of which are either pranks or the person in question had no means or real intent to carry out said threat.

[@nukiesduke6868]

I mean him being in a "dark place" and "going through some stuff" actually makes the possibility of him following through EVEN MORE VALID. Since you typically have to be off your rocker to do that and quite literally every single one was like this.

[@juniperbough7533]

Anonymous chats that move fast are prime grounds for people to admit some shady shit, because they don’t think they’ll be noticed. I’m glad a precedent was set

[@GriffinZambia]

*Dont_Read_My_Names!* 😏.....j

[@jayraybro6284]

Or to simply say whatever they think that will get a rise out of people.

[@ultx]

I be gay as shit

[@jayraybro6284]

@@ultx exactly, that can be used to bate homophobic people.

[@flarestorm9417]

Now I'm just imagining the What If scene where the Watcher keeps talking and doesn't realize Ultron-Vision can hear him until it's too late.

[@lumenjoslin4301]

"Which mass shooter was that?" is such a dystopian sentence

[@Bword17]

Something to point out, the fact that his answer was that he was “in a dark place” and not that it was just some stupid joke he made makes it seem he was more likely to go through with it if the FBI didn’t step in

[@randomtinypotatocried]

I noticed that as well

[@malevolentsnow9867]

As a person with depression, being in a dark place is a really shitty excuse for threatening to go on a shooting.

[@lawrenceking4144]

@Apocalypse As far as I remember, a "joke" is supposed to be funny. Where was the funny?

[@lawrenceking4144]

@Apocalypse Nor was it for the people who reported it or the FBI. Do you laugh at fatal car crashes?

[@ghostmelodyy]

@Alex talking openly about struggles with mental health helps to open the conversation about it and destigmatize it. :)

[@TheMilkMan8008]

Man really threatened to commit "mass murder soon" and then said he was going through a dark place and was under the influence. That makes the "prank" even more of a red flag

[@ShadowEclipse777]

The fact the FBI took immediate action I assume he was already on a watch list

[@TheMilkMan8008]

@@ShadowEclipse777 well didn't he say the guy was making those threats for a while? I mean "jokes".

[@explicit_dynamics]

Impostor, give my pfp back!

[@ShadowEclipse777]

@@explicit_dynamics when the Milkman is sus

[@mjanny6330]

@Higor Guedes it's a cringe attention beg one anyway lol.

[@0TheJigsawKiller0]

I'm so glad the chat actually did something about this. The large majority of the time everyone just shrugs it off as nothing but these threats are serious and need to be dealt with accordingly

[@dzhambulatnurmagomedov9001]

oh no! someone on the internet said something, quick get the FBI!!!!!! y'all are dumb....this is a one way road to authoritarian government. Except we are already there and you guys just gobble it up and love it. GG America. Literally thought crime at this point.

[@kapeecoffee]

Ofc in the right context and environment.

[@scazab6408]

What are the chances that someone is joking like thats possible as well

[@jaxsonm1808]

Calling twitch chat “lobotomy victims” Is so accurate and hilarious

[@The13thRonin]

They're not victims when they willingly did it to themselves.

[@Neillan]

Looking at this guy's mugshot and his messages, it doesn't look like he had many prospects in life to begin with. I like how he thought using his depression and grandfather's passing would assuage his culpability, when in reality it made the potential threat he posed even _more_ credible. Props to the fellow chatters for calling him out and reporting him.

[@GriffinZambia]

*Dont_Read_My_Names!* 😏.....w

[@dambigfoot6844]

He looks like a grandfather himself and if he is that messed up about a likely grandfather in his 90s to go into depression making threats then he is mentally ill.

[@prihaps]

Assuage, I just learned a new word and it’s a damn good one! Thanks friend 🙏🏼

[@notericforeman]

I agree!! Mental health struggles aren’t anything to be ashamed of, but they absolutely do not make him look any better, and saying he was drunk kinda makes him look worse too because it could be misconstrued as an admission of alcoholism.

[@martuuk8964]

It doesn’t make them more credible. You’re attaching even more of a stigma to mental illness. The vast vast vast majority of depressed people do not become murderers. There’s a special intersection of nihilism and accelerationism that has to occur for mass shooting to be a goal. Most depressed people just want to be left alone and leave others alone.

[@hondo8245]

I have gone thru the worst year of my life losing multiple family members including my dad so I get depressed sometimes but I've never felt the urge to do stupid stuff like this. I believe this is just him wanting to get attention so that people feel sorry for him. This guy needs help

[@less7651]

Sorry for your loss man, stay strong.

[@hondo8245]

@@less7651 thank you! not a pity post but I do appreciate the love!

[@serarose6876]

I’m sorry for your loss. I hope this is a much better year for you. Happy holidays!

[@Otto_K]

I'm sorry for your loss. My channel is better than MoistCriticals.

[@Neiroe]

@@Otto_K Time and place for everything, man.

[@Sneatt]

These threats of mass shooting 100% should be investigated and have the person charged. Sadly those threats aren't jokes anymore. There has been 611 Mass Shooting in 2022 alone, and the year isn't even over yet. The Twitch Chat did the right thing.

[@Same_Team_Farva]

Theres multiple mass shootings every weekend in chicago but i wonder why they dont report about it on the news.

[@borock5981]

Good job Mr wikipedia

[@Sneatt]

@@borock5981 Who are you?

[@borock5981]

@@Sneatt Mr. Encyclopedia Britannica

[@helpmegetto1k4channelnotab78]

Huh fr 💀

[@solo7209]

I once met a kid who made a bomb threat to a school just to have a longer weekend

[@shikitohno47]

W

[@nglidk]

I knew someone else who did it too and got expelled because that stuff serious

[@SunOfCinder]

Gigachad

[@ming2479]

the sentence "I can't remember which mass shooter it was" is insane

[@ardenlatham6463]

This is genuinely well-spoken and structured. I’m glad someone with such a platform like Charlie’s is speaking out about this issue in an intelligent and fair way because it’s becoming an increasingly prevalent issue lately. Thanks for the discussion, man.

[@penhuinz0]

Yeah Im glad they took action on this. I think folks in my age range have to realize that the internet isn't the place it was in the late 90s and early 2000s. You simply can't say the same type of shit even if it was just a "joke". The internet evolves faster than people change and I'm sure it will keep being a problem. On a similar note, I'm excited to see how these TikToker with fake disorders will fare in the next 10-20 years.

[@penhuinz0]

@Mr_Penguinz0 Bro you almost got me with that shit. I was excited for a good 3 - 5 seconds. I appreciate the squirt of serotonin nonetheless.

[@wufeiyan]

@@penhuinz0 How do you believe this shit lmfao

[@penhuinz0]

@@wufeiyan I mean, when I saw the notification on my phone I couldn't read the message so I thought Charlie just squirted his moist meter on me and I wanted a taste. As soon as I saw the actual message I knew it was b.s. Hence the 3 - 5 seconds.

[@kannedeen]

@TomTheDog nothing is truly anonymous on the internet in my opinion

[@INQU1Z1T0R]

@@tomthedog9188There’s a really fucked trend on TikTok of people faking mental and physical disorders for clout. The biggest one they’ve been faking is Tourette’s. It’s disgusting and leads people to accuse real people with these issues of being fakes.

[@afbriant]

The difference is a joke about fighting a friend and killing multiple people is so vast. And honestly one is inappropriate to the point of needing a response.

[@heidiiiiiiii]

You don't have to own a weapon at the time of the threat - many purchase right before they follow through with their threat.

[@TheR3dline]

There was no way this guy wasn't already a person of interest, and this was the tipping point

[@malevolentsnow9867]

Yeah I was shocked the FBI actually looked into it.

[@WtfPODIUM]

I don't understand why people think that there wont be consequences for what they do online. Just because its anonymous doesn't mean its suddenly ok to threaten people

[@panicattack8284]

They know it's not okay, it's because of the preconceived notion that there won't be consequences.

[@Jenna2k]

Because the cops don't care if it's online until looking for a motive for a shooting that already happened.

[@travywavy_au]

@MSMEG IX Fark upppp

[@flarestorm9417]

Because realistically the police can't and won't stop it all. For every story of someone being caught for something like this there are plenty that either got away or got off lightly. Sure, we all make jokes about being monitored by the FBI (heck, I think your internet service provider can see your internet activities to a point), but unless something is brought to their attention, you're a person of interest, or there's a strong red flag it's unlikely that something will happen to you. It's made much harder if there's a language and/or country barrier too.

[@gentlydown41]

"which mass shooter was that?" Real america moment Jesus Christ

[@mattfromwiisports4910]

In all fairness, good job to the fbi for actually stopping a mass shooting for once.

[@youtubesucks1821]

Most of the time they create them. The MK Ultra research did not go to waste

[@Konarcoffee]

They didn't, guy was arrested and literally said he had no intention of doing anything and had no weapons. So ready to lick the boot you don't even think

[@fetusman2248]

@@Konarcoffee Man who says "Bootlicker" Detected, Opionion Rejected.

[@lel2015]

Did you even watch the video?

[@Konarcoffee]

@@fetusman2248 You think law enforcement acting on TWITCH CHAT is a good thing?

[@drmonkeys852]

There's a difference between a pattern of behaviour hinting at violence, and making a joke one time. The reason why the fbi arrested him was cause he was already on their radar.

[@crowdemon_archives]

Yea, if you made a comment about murdering out of the blues, you most likely won't get arrested if you have no background supporting that sort of thing. 🤔

[@lunaangeleclipse9745]

If a person in a dark place/experiencing bereavement and their go-to reaction is to fantasise (however jokingly or abstractly) about mass murder, I think that person needs some kind of psychological help or intervention. Same goes for someone who fantasises about hurting themselves. Even if you don't actually do the act, fantasising about it is a cause for concern.

[@Lysergic_]

I partially disagree. I don't think it should just be outright ignored, but action taken shouldn't be forced. For instance, you could offer therapy in the situation where someone 'fantasizes' about self-harm, but it shouldn't be a requirement they go. In the situation where the example person does start to take actions to harm themselves, it changes and forced help is a good idea, but still not always right. Same for harming others. I can joke all day about killing the entire world because my package was late, but not act on it. However, if I were to make these jokes then go out and buy weapons, then at that point it should be addressed/intervened.

[@smithynoir9980]

@@Lysergic_ If you make those "jokes" anywhere but in private among friends, the police should absolutely be knocking in your door and taking the option, however slim, to do harm away from you. Probably also a sign to get help if you handle late packages by going straight to murder jokes, that's not healthy or okay.

[@hexkaze5849]

@@smithynoir9980 yeah pretty much this, when you go out on public platforms randomly talking about how you're gonna kill people or whatever, no one can tell if it's a shitpost. There have been dudes that made these "jokes" then actually did them. You really shouldn't be making any threats to people

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Most video games involve various forms of killing or harming others and most people don't do anything.

[@caitchri2426]

In most states is is illegal to make a public threat. And when the threat is published via interstate communication, it could then be considered a federal offense. Your example would not be considered a “legitimate threat.” When you make a large sweeping hyperbolized statement, it is usually not taken seriously, but you still shouldn’t use harmful aggressive language. Legally a threat meets certain requirements, like “targets a certain individual or group,” and “creates fear due to circumstances,” and other factors such as time, place, and past record. So yes, it is 100% legal and moral for the city, state, or federal government to step in and evaluate the situation or individual. Interviews and therapy are a part of the investigation and evaluation. Individual rights can be taken away if the lives of others are in danger. Whether that be short-term to make sure everything is okay- or long-term like prison sentencing.

[@JoshPillault]

My story was definitely a wild one but you and a few other KZbinrs are the ones who gave me the tools to turn it into a positive by helping shine light and giving me a chance to tell my side. I’ll always be grateful and you guys will ALWAYS have a friend in me. Beautifully worded - threats like these are NOT okay and MUST be investigated and are very much worth punishment for the distress caused. My case was simply overkill - and I am glad to see what happened to me isn’t happening again in this case. Thanks for the update and the shout out ❤

[@knashboi3914]

Ah you actually commented. Your story still fills me with rage, Hopefully you're doing well now my guy!

[@TimeBoogeyMan]

The viewer’s who called this in are low key heroes, they potentially stopped a tragedy. Just to clarify, this is in no way a comparison of what a hero is. I consider the actions these people took to be honourable and brave. It is not easy to report this behaviour and not everyone would. I do believe they deserve some praise.

[@iliveinyourwalls5193]

Damn the definition of hero has really been diluted then...

[@fartyturd4084]

@@iliveinyourwalls5193 a hero is a person who is admired for their courage. I’d say those chatters would be a hero in this case

[@iliveinyourwalls5193]

@@fartyturd4084 well then we have a whole bunch of useless heroes in this world. How can you put these people on the same level as actual heroes who put their lives in danger for others?

[@ConnorKrohnicles]

@@iliveinyourwalls5193 you don’t have to suffer or put yourself in the way of suffering to be considered a hero. Those who do garner immense respect and are on a different level than these other heroes. We need both types and while one seems more impactful, they are both incredibly important. I would rather chat be heroes for reporting this than a dude tackling the soon-to-be mass murderer mid shooting.

[@Mukul69420]

They didn’t stop a tragedy watch the video. The guy said he didn’t had any intention to kill and they even didn’t find any gins or shit on him

[@karma2220]

This should be titled twitch chat saves lives, mad respect for not letting something unhinged happen to innocents

[@andrewhate5925]

@MSMEG IX yes agreed

[@mush8353]

I think this is a good thing. People need to see that making threats like that is very serious, and not something to joke about. Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people who joke like that aren't serious at all. But there are enough of them who are serious and have followed through, as Charlie said. Seeing over and over in the news that a mass shooter or murderer or abuser was known to the authorities yet was still able to follow through with threats like that is so, so sad. Think of how many people might still be alive if someone's online threats were taken seriously.

[@boopyboops]

Kinda reminds me of suicide threats. Idk about calling the police over that, but people really shouldn't be threatening anybody. Even if it's a "joke". To me, especially if from somebody you don't know, there might be some truth or feelings to those kinds of threats. Why else wouldn't somebody say that, y'know?

[@CristySFM1234]

I saw this on reddit and some people came to his defense trying to push the idea people overreacted. Honestly good he was arrested and a small gleam of America finally getting some common sense and moving in to prevent future mass shootings

[@mezdemundi7115]

You are very ignorant if you believe nothings been done about it in the past. When will you people realize that the internet is not the world and so much more happens in real life than you want to believe.

[@CristySFM1234]

@@mezdemundi7115 oh yea a lot was done in the past just ask the students of columbine sandy hook and uvalde. Here's the difference between America and my homeland of Wales, my people know how to prevent preventable mass violence because we are more smarter then you Yankees. Btw I lived in America for about 4 years, 94-100 official mass shootings during my time there including the Vegas shooting the worst mass shooting in American history, compared to my time living in Wales (19-20 years) we had zero mass shootings within our boarder. My harshness is not ignorance it's knocking some common sense into a bunch of childish twits like a parent disciplining a child

[@purpleocity]

You’re a little ignorant if you won’t accept that the internet is a huge part of our daily lives now whether you like it or not. There’s plenty of things that go unnoticed online that shouldn’t. @mezdemundi

[@purpleocity]

@@mezdemundi7115 ^^

[@Sly-Moose]

Of course Reddit basement dwellers are gonna try to support another basement dweller 🙄

[@TSBJunkie]

"What are you in for?". "Oh, I just threatened to kill 20 people while watching a 13 year old speedrun Banjo Kazooie."

[@mjanny6330]

"Words I typed on a screen"

[@Muffin_Masher]

That neckbeard wouldn't have been watching a 13 year old. He likes them younger ;-)

[@jamesj.7750]

Holy shit, the FBI actually did their job!?

[@HakuZaku]

"Say the line, FBI!" "...he was on our radar" "YAAAAAAY"

[@The-Omega-Artist]

There was a man who threatened to shoot up my high school on the first day. He made an entire wattpad diary describing what he wanted to do, what guns he would use, why he wanted to kill us, it was horrifying. I couldn’t read past the second chapter. He didn’t attack the school; but he killed two people at a local grocery store. Online, it’s VERY important to take possible genuine threats seriously. Nobody took it seriously until blood was spilt. If you see something that sets off an alarm, act on it. Please. Stop it before it starts.

[@pronukespontaneous8090]

they really said: “This one right here officer!” *and meant it.*

[@alexxander966]

I see this the same as "dont yell fire in a theater if there is no fire". Don't make threats against people and expect no punishment

[@kimjunguny]

My problem is, who is he making a threat to? Because it sets a dangerous precedent to arrest someone who literally only said "im gonna kill a bunch of people." The difference between this story and the other story charlie talked about is that the kid stated when and where he was going to commit a mass shooting. The twitch chatter doesn't appear to have said any of that. But, according to the florida law, if I simply state, "I am going to cause serious bodly harm to someone, or I am going to commit a mass shooting/act of terrorism" then I am breaking the law. I don't believe you should be charged when you make baseless claims, that 1. dont threaten anyone specifically, and 2. dont say when, where or how youre going to commit the crime. The key thing is there is no distinction under the florida law between baseless threats, and threats that have some substance behind them. All threats are considered the same and dont allow for any nuance under the law. Its anti free speech and its wrong. (but threats that contain when/how/where yadda yadda, should be punishable, as it disrupts society.)

[@ManiacX1999]

@@kimjunguny So your telling me going around saying "I have a bomb and its about to go off" isn't a fucking problem? It's a threat, doesn't matter if it's true or not, a threat can cause real problems and most people don't wanna find out the hard way that a threat has merit behind it. It's called self preservation

[@kimjunguny]

@@ManiacX1999 The difference between saying something in person and on the internet is the one in person is actually threatening someone, aka the people around them. Just saying (ONLY saying)"I am going to kill ppl" online, is not threating ANYONE. Theres no basis behind it at all, its literally just words. But, if he said where/when etc then yes! That is a credible threat, and is exactly like your example, and should be punishable. But, from my understanding, his threats were baseless, they had no intent or meaning behind them, nothing to indicate what he was going to do. Therefore they were just words not actual threats of violence.

[@Cartel734]

@m It's only a criminal threat if it's both imminent and likely, seems like what this guy said was neither of those things.

[@chaost4544]

​@@kimjunguny the reasoning you're using is why his case might be thrown out in the higher court. You're technically right.

[@brookelynnwu8016]

This is the biggest W for twitch chat & the FBI.

[@evosteff]

L comment

[@wufeiyan]

@@evosteff Elaborate?

[@jussafineface4364]

The world is so disconnected, and even though the internet is a medium to mitigate that, it has placed many people on the fast track to a misguided life full of perhaps in-cognizant anguish.

[@chapteronefrog]

I think if, in Josh's case, it wouldn't be as corrupt if the police were consistent across the board and treated all threats of mass murder as seriously. But it could be a reaction to incidents where they didn't like Nicolas Cruise

[@bbrathizza2075]

Def read more into Josh’s case. I read the case and it’s clear that he’s not just some silly kid, but rather, a repeat offender. He had done drugs since he was 14. Both of his ex girlfriends said he was obsessed with columbine. And much more

[@aregulargenericname8794]

@@bbrathizza2075 but no solid proof of him actually doing it

[@bbrathizza2075]

@@aregulargenericname8794 well he def did what he did no question…

[@BottleRocketBosley]

This wasn't just a huge win for law enforcement, this also was more importantly an miraculous win for 20 people who are still alive today.

[@devizesolstice4617]

Thank you for covering this and stating what you did. I'm scared anymore of large places and gatherings because of the situation here. The city I work at is bad enough with crimes as is. It's not a very comfortable feeling to have now. It's sad anymore.

[@tatar_man8963]

If you let your life get controlled by randoms on a live chat, you’ve already lost control of your ability to make decisions consciously.

[@smiles9882]

Mate, you haven't even watched the video. Why are you already judging the people in it?

[@Beanpolr]

@@smiles9882 He could have already been a minute or two in, and you find out what it's about in the first minute. Perfectly valid to judge.

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

Tatar man? You from Tatar? I am from Kaliningrad, love to you, kind people, always a pleasure to meet

[@Mvgical]

All of these fucking accounts are bots talking to each other what the fuck

[@КГБКолДжорджКостанца]

There are people like that, mostly streamers who are junkies, can't keep a 9-5 job or incels like ip2

[@Imaproshaman7]

I'm glad they acted because I'd rather it be a false alarm than something serious happening. Good points and well said.

[@EthGemsnStuff]

Streamer: streaming Minecraft to three people NotTheFBI-69: "You are a poopoohead" Streamer: "I am going to blow up an airplane because of this insult!" NotTheFBI-69: "Jackpot"

[@wugiwugu]

lool underrated

[@wonderbread6100]

Glowposting fbi gooners

[@Slimeakku]

I jumped into this video thinking it was gonna be some tragic tale of people on the internet ganging up on an individual and driving them to insanity through Twitch Chat. I'm so glad that wasn't the case and it was justice being served.

[@Fathom15128]

Thank you, Charlie, for discussing this when no others did

[@dr.menyac6499]

they probably are, charlie is just to quick. right ontop of that ass before its sat down

[@Fathom15128]

@@dr.menyac6499 Lmao, true true

[@necknack12]

i think it's pretty easy to avoid making threats of terrorism

[@gongoozleblimp]

This is the greatest twitch chat of all time

[@Cunox582]

@@yeaman3214He doesn’t even post music.

[@g.rose26]

The bots on my comment are better

[@dreamman5588]

I love parry caravello live, he's one of the most raw streamers out there; I guarantee you'll enjoy your time there

[@TheHouse2281]

@@Cunox582 he actually does make music

[@bananaowner_real]

@@Cunox582 He has posted a few songs in the past (2019 guy, skynut, etc)

[@BlisaBLisa]

yeah the amount of times a shooter made these sorts of threats before the shooting and authorities knew about it and didnt do anything is insane. when i was in high school it seemed like every school shooting I saw on the news had such a story. hell someone at my own school made a shooting threat (with photos of his guns) and the school did nothing but call him to the deans office and scold him. he wasnt sent home or suspended and school wasnt closed the next day, most students just skipped school that day for obvious reasons, but we were all still expected to show up like normal. and this was close to the time a pretty big school shooting was on the news. its surreal how many people were so laid back about these kinds of threats when there was a new shooting on the news every month or so

[@SumoneAverage]

it’s hard for authorities to prevent crimes before hand to begin with, it’s good to see they’re taking online threats a bit more seriously because they are just as serious as yelling that in public and such reguardless if either or is entirely true, the threat is there

[@firestorm5371]

Even making the threat should be punished

[@Xx_BruhDog_xX]

If he was serious, one could see the comments as a cry for help. So it's a good thing they did something about it and took it seriously. If he was fucking around, he deserves everything coming to him. +1 for the FBI either way.

[@SonicMaster519]

@@LycanKai14 I suppose I'm unhinged now. I just find those kinda jokes funny but I'm pretty sure this guy wasn't joking. FBI was in the right here, no doubt about that.

[@Epic-so3ek]

what a stupid take. Like yeah let's give him life in prison for for a creepy joke, cause he deserves everything coming to him. Hell let's give him the death penalty.

[@SonicMaster519]

@@LycanKai14 My bad, I didn’t mean to say I joked about shooting up schools, that shit is actual insanity. I meant to say that I find jokes like “I may or may not go kill fifty people at Salt Lake City, Utah, at 3:34 PM” funny. Much different than what the guy was saying though, as here it is quite obvious it’s a joke.

[@primaluniverse8089]

@@SonicMaster519 I’m the same way, but I’ve had to change that especially online becuz a few years back I was like 15 or 16 I said something like that and then mentioned I was joking and I probably shouldn’t have said that. FBI came to my house and wanted to clarify and just basically check up on me. They do notice and make sure these things aren’t serious.

[@hoptoit5910]

Wow. The authorities actually acted on this. How many, many times have they been alerted about similar situations but absolutely nothing was done…..until it was too late.

[@TxRanks]

Love how Charlie can look at multiple view points with details to back both of them up

[@KennedyMister95]

I don't think he does at all

[@WalrusQuake]

@@KennedyMister95 I mean I think he did a pretty good job at presenting his take on the slippery slope argument and its validity

[@KennedyMister95]

@@WalrusQuake yeah that's presenting his point of view. He doesn't take a perspective of anyone else. He explains why he thinks this and that. That simple

[@WalrusQuake]

@@KennedyMister95 Right but he did so by presenting the viewpoint that the police response was a bad thing, and explained the valid reasons behind that thinking. His opinion on the matter is irrelevant, he still presented the argument and gave it a fair hearing and explanation through example and analogy.

[@KennedyMister95]

@@WalrusQuake he does. I'm sorry but that is still his point of view. I like Charlie becauae he is very specific about his point of view, he isn't vague; for example if he were to say that he likes dog, he would make it clear how much he likes it, why, give comparisons, add some real storie, the risks of dogs, how much care they need and so on. Maybe I'm not explaining myself clearly, sorry about that.

[@thetableoflegend9814]

Thank you to the twitch chatters and also to you for talking about how serious this is and why it’s important to take seriously I’m part of the generation who grew up with all these school shootings and now these mass shooting just anywhere. A kid in one of my middle school classes got busted with a gun and expelled. Another kids later on in highschool got arrested after posting multiple credible threats he was going to shoot up my school. I understand some people may say these things as a joke, that it’s “not serious” to some, but from my vantage point it’s just not worth it to make such jokes. I can barely walk across my campus without being hyper aware of every person.

[@meimmakoto3224]

I was a bit caught off gaurd I fully expected that twitch chat was gonna scrounge up old records and get this guy back in jail in a ruthless destruction of character thank goodness it's just him getting arrested by the fbi

[@mannymustard4787]

Major props to the people who caught that in the chat, people probably just saved 20 people from dying, big W

[@BlinksAwakening]

"Twitch Chat ruined his life"? Oh no, he ruined his own life.

[@AttackSpeed407]

The mask of anonymity is both a gift, and a curse.

[@username-fo2ov]

Facts. It truly is a double-edged sword

[@TheDeviIDogg]

I usually watch Twitch comps on youtube since people I watch don't stream when I'm awake but the few times I have or even in the comps, Twitch chat is like from another world. Like aliens intercept what we type and use it to communicate but don't understand human language well. I love Twitch chat, especially jerma's, for the ugly, disgusting, beautiful, vile thing it is

[@mackay700]

Even if he wasn't serious, you want to be really careful with what comes out of your mouth.

[@pengabob]

There may be reasons for acting like that but there's never an excuse for it.

[@StevenAcunaBG05]

Lots of Ws here W- they stopped a real murderer W- You reported on it W- didn't mention his name would have been better if you didn't show his face.

[@alexis8500]

Charlie is slowly becoming the only news source I trust

[@shay9864]

I’ve been wasted countless times and I don’t think I’ve ever even thought of making threats like that 🤷‍♀️

[@MickeyMouse-lm6zj]

0:47 shooters do warn they're going to do a shooting a lot of the time

[@kyle21843]

the youtuber you were thinking of earlier was Randy Stair. he thought he was going to die and then would be resurrected as an anime character or something

[@Nerdtendo6366]

It’s Twitch chat, I’m not shocked

[@softwaifu]

Twitch chat being more responsible than half of the teachers and therapists I've ever met 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@lazarosoberano2030]

I really appreciate you Charlie for being a KZbinr who not only entertains but also talks about serious topics and news at times like this one to spread awareness unlike a lot of KZbinrs who only provide videos for profit. I’m glad you’re one of the faster growing KZbinrs today, makes me a little more hopeful about people.

[@DawnOfTheOzz]

A better title for this would be "Twitch Chat Potentially Saved Lives."

[@matthememelord7829]

Police: give a kid a 6 year jail sentence for drunk edgy jokes Also police: gives Phil Lewis a 5 year jail sentence for manslauter and drunk driving and decrease in time because he acted well in a prison based theatre production

[@steppeprowler5414]

Better then sitting at walmart waiting to get stabbed while being paid shit just to cover your rent.

[@b-d3vil16]

“Absolutely steamed his ham” now those are words I’ve never heard used in combination

[@kristofize]

There are some great long video's on the runescapp thing. I believe the min reason why he was punished so harshly was because it was shortly after a big school shooting and they wanted to make a statement since the everyone was up in arms about it. They got all the info and context that showed it was an edgy joke but decided to ignore it.

[@madaemon]

Ah, that's what I figured, knowing nothing of the story beyond what Charlie said in the video. That kind of response has a very "he joked online about hijacking a plane a week after 9/11" feel to it. (Only just about every week is a week after a big school shooting now.)

[@kristofize]

@@madaemon Yeah, when he did it it was still something that shocked everyone and demanded a response and someone to blame. Nowadays it turns into the status qou with the same arguments pro and against any sort of solution and nothing happening in the end.

[@newuser689]

People get 6 years in prison for making edgy statements online. Meanwhile, there is a man in my area named 'The Werewolf Killer' who brutally stabbed a 65 year old man with a boxcutter 52 times and gouged both of his eyes out with a sharpie because he thought the old man was "turning into a werewolf". He also walked into a hotel and threatened to set the hotel on fire and kill everybody. He got 3 years in a mental institution and is now attending a college next to me and was spotted on dating apps.

[@thomaskelliher]

How do some of these judges sleep at night...

[@MMeltingButter]

thats life i guess.

[@username_pending1328]

I've heard of people getting kicked out of college because someone said that they smoked weed once when they were 15.

[@idrathernot_2]

Even better he is probably drowning in tail because that's just how the world works

[@Epic-so3ek]

maybe cause he's not criminally responsible? I don't know the individual case but it sounds like he did something not at all reflecting of who he is, that's why he got that sentence. Do you not realize that a crime committed while you're incapable of knowing right from wrong isn't a crime? It's not even immoral cause it's not something you have control of.

[@santiagosenoran1217]

Now I wish cops started acting upon stalkers

[@krisf4969]

They will never do that unless you are a high profile celebrity with outspoken left-wing political views.

[@atopaz05]

@@krisf4969 yikes. What are you gonna say next? That fauci is a lizzard or something lmao

[@justasmltwngir1732]

@@krisf4969 have there been any conservative celebs that had stalkers that were ignored?

[@Aflay1]

"He was in a dark place" That does not help. That is precisely the phrasing of a mass murderer.

[@KAKATCam]

This is a great thing, the less people threatening others and thinking that they are cool and edgy the better.

[@realsuperwolfes]

I'm Batu Khan

[@JayStCloud]

This right here is the complete definition of: “The more you fuck around, the more you’re gonna find out.”

[@FemboyKaiSaku]

everyone misses when you used to stretch your thumbnails Charlie

[@BillyBob-zm8to]

The determination of what threats get persecuted are the ones deemed as a terroristic one ie. Mass murders or even look up the kid who made a joke threat in a WOW chat and the fbi reacted.

[@SeekingTheTriple]

Charlie about the RuneScape guy, i read a reddit post that discussed details from the case and that he apparently had documents on his pc about how to make bombs and had searched about the super columbine massacre rpg game on youtube and that severely hurt his case. While i still think his sentence was harsh, the contents of his computer were concerning to say the least.

[@Blanch590]

For once, good job to the people who tipped off the FBI, and good job to the FBI for actually doing something about it.

[@dancingkitty81]

I'm convinced Charlie is going to snowball into founding a full fledged news reporting company

[@supaflyyowen]

He looks like H3H3’s competent brother and that’s still somewhat of an insult 😭💀

[@voranthevox]

just imagine if the fbi started monitoring League of Legends in-game chats, you'd have thousands of people getting arrested by the day lol

[@so6484]

Yes! And that not the LoL’s players fault. Some things just shouldn’t be taken seriously or at least as something to be legally punished for.

[@account-pending-deletion]

"Damn, good joke bro. You got the whole squad laughing. 😐😐😐"

[@jerombustillos8461]

Also with the idea of it being a slippery slope some sites won’t take your complaints if you have previous strikes against you. So it could lead to a bias that could be dangerous for everyone

[@_EightySix]

I just discovered Charlie a month or two ago, and as a 35 year old whose gaming experience is limited to GTA 5 offline and all the Far Cry games, I come here solely for his expert wordsmithing and commentary. Charlie's words twist the hooplah out of my titties.

[@repzgaming5]

4:19 And a certain female COD player doxxed a troll and got 5 days which was reduced to 5 hours.

[@ciphergacha9100]

Jesus fuck

[@jonacker6991]

This really is a "fuck around and find out" type of situation.