Penn Fierce & Fierce II 6000 basic maintenance and tune up

[@chepachii]

Hi from Australia Dennis, this is exactly how I service my reels. A couple of things on this reel I noticed when you disassembled /assembled it that I thought were strong features are... 2 screws on the rear of the shaft for stability.... The collar with 3 screws to hold the drag assembly in as opposed to the old retaining wire clip that on reels had a bad habit of flying off into the unknown... And finally that clip that holds the rotor nut on as opposed to the old little grub screw that sits next to it to stop it from moving, it worked but pretty fiddly. Cheers mate and subbed!

[@2ndChanceTackle]

James - thanks for watching and for the kind words. I appreciate the sub. I post frequently, so stay tuned for more Penn and other reels - Best wishes - Dennis

[@TCNix-xt7pt]

What a great teacher - thank you for sharing Dennis

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Thank you for the kind feedback and for watching - best wishes - Dennis

[@CJ77771]

I know you only have a couple hundred subscribers which is shocking to me. I have learned so much about reel repair just in the couple weeks I have discovered this channel. I hope you continue with it. This reel repair seems to be a dying art. Can't really find anyone who knows what their doing so had to revert to doing it myself. Thanks so much.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Thank you for the kind words. I am posting these in the hope that folks continue the "dying art". Unfortunately, many manufacturers are making disposable reels these days and without product support or replacement parts, they are conditioning buyers to replace with new. I m trying to show folks that the proper maintenance and repair can make the reel last a long time. - Dennis

[@hurcellwilson212]

Hello. I just found your channel sir and I am very pleased Sir. Thank you for this video, well done.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Welcome! Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis

[@wilbertbenjamin9928]

Beautiful reel the penn reels are my favourite reels thank you for the video on Maintenance on this reel I think I will bye one myself I live in Canada and can order them off eBay 😊

[@2ndChanceTackle]

It would be a good investment. The Penn reels are easy to maintain and worth the price paid

[@jessesanchez6300]

Thank you for letting me know and thank you for the video

[@DUK33Y]

Awesome video. My Fierce 2 LL has a sticky drag so hopefully I can use parts of this video to help me open it up to have a look

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Yes you can - go to about the 11 minute mark to see the drag service. These are felt drags and should be well oiled. You can also upgrade these drags to the carbontex hard washers if you find you are tearing up the felt ones. - Dennis

[@stevetutterow686]

@@2ndChanceTackle , do you oil or grease the carbontex washers if you go that route? Thanks for this video.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

No. Grease and oil are not recommended for this product. If you do use grease, just a light coat at most and be sure to wipe off all excess - Thanks for asking - Dennis

[@DanielTPeace]

Well done and amazing video. Thank you so much for sharing.

[@denniskuntz1368]

I will give it s try. Thanks for the suggestion - Dennis

[@smokster0604]

Awesome I got some reel cleaning coming up....thanks...

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Thank you - Good luck with the cleaning - These reels are built to last and will....when properly maintained - Dennis

[@ddaavvee68]

thank you for posting this! very helpful!

[@2ndChanceTackle]

You are welcome - Thanks for watching - Dennis

[@lazyakers]

Great video! It will serve me well next time I accidentally dunk one of my penn spinning reels

[@jondovkap]

Great job and thanks for showing your expertise in tuning up a reel. Good advice, good info, and recommendations. Look forward to viewing others. JK

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Thank you Jon. I post a few times a week and have over 100 videos on fishing reel tune ups on the site, so make sure you subscribe if you want to see the latest - Dennis

[@Shabaruzaman]

Thank you for the video. At least now I got a mutual teacher.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

You are welcome. Thank you for watching - Dennis

[@dawgvet7756]

I know this is an older video but I hope you still look for questions. I’m totally new to saltwater/surf fishing and unfortunately didn’t think about “after vacation” maintenance. Took a new Penn last year for surf fishing and just rinsed it off in fresh water afterwards. Went again this year and it was very difficult to reel but after gently moving spool it did ok. Needless to say one of the first things I’m doing now is cleaning and re-lubricating all my spin reels. So, thank you for a very clear instructional video. Getting ready to tackle 3 Penn reels. Question, do you add lubricant to any of the bail parts?

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Sure and thank you for the comments. Yes - you add oil to the line roller. You do not need oil on the pivots, they are springs, but you can spray with WD40 to flush any dirt from inbetwee the bail wire and body - Thanks for asking. Please subscribe as I am constantly posting new repair videos to my extensive library - Dennis

[@MegaDrFrost]

That really helps with my cleaning. Are you able to make a video on how to fix any problems with the bail spring?

[@2ndChanceTackle]

I will add the request to my list and try to get to in soon. Thank you for asking - Dennis

[@jasonholc4026]

Thanks for the video. Novice to the saltwater side of fishing and paying the price with not properly lubing the reel after a week of surf fishing. Hoping this video with help me dive inside the fierce 2 and figure out what’s going on. The spool seems to drop down all of a sudden as I’m reeling. I’m afraid i messed up the gears trying to turn it when I felt resistance.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

That spool drop is not normal. Check for a broken crosswind gear or missing teeth on the back of the main gear when you take the reel apart. These reels are normally very durable, but parts do break under heavy load - Thanks for watching - Dennis

[@jasonholc4026]

2nd Chance Tackle Thanks! I appreciate the help

[@jasonholc4026]

Found the problem. Main gear was missing a good chunk of teeth on smaller side. Also there’s a lot of grit inside. Can I soak all the parts in something before putting it back together?

[@nickdemeglio1410]

Do you have a video how to replace the bail spring? I can't figure out how the pivot goes. Thanks so much

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Watch the one I did on the Penn Captiva here kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3mlh5uhYppni9k. It is a similar set up to your Fierce - Dennis

[@nickdemeglio1410]

@@2ndChanceTackle thanks for the quick reply! I will give it a shot when I get time today.

[@bradcranford2264]

Great reels for the money. I own 6 of them.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

They are great price performers. I have not found a design flaw in these and have tune up quite a few, They are truly solid reels at a fair price

[@spartanares8327]

Hey, I have a bunch of Penn reels from my brother that were never maintained. All of them have made a recovery except the fierce 6000. The 6000 wasnt too bad except the felt washer and the shaft being stuck to the assembly. The drag will not function because of it. I can get the shaft to twist but it takes a hard clamping. I have tried soaking it in vinegar, CLR, and some WD-40 (seperatly not mixed) for about 4 days total. I'm not sure what to do next any advice is appreciated, thanks for the great videos!

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Can you get the spool off? That is the first thing to do. Next, remover the drag clip under the tension knob. Then take each washer out. You should be able to push them through from the back end if they don't come out easily from the top. It her are still stuck, get an awl, small screwdriver or another item and scrape them out to the spool. These will then need to be replaced. Send me a follow up if this doesn't help answer your question - Dennis

[@spartanares8327]

2nd Chance Tackle the spool comes off but the shaft is stuck on the assembly it only comes off when I unscrew it from the crosswind block. I have taken out the washers, but because the shaft is stuck my drag is very high. I have soaked it in liquids to try to get it free but no success.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

I think you may be trying to do something that can't be done. The spool shaft is an integral part of the axle and cannot be removed. Go to the schematic available through mystic parts.com and look at the piece. Search on penn parts, spinning reels and then the Fierce model that you have. Click the down arrow to get the menu and look at the diagram. If you get the part number, you can see a picture of it under the order parts drop down. The problem you are describing now sounds like you are missing the white teflon washer that sits on the axle shaft just below the spool. Check the schematic diagram to see how it all goes together and make sure you have all of the washers and that they are in the right sequence. Send me a note if this still does not answer your question - Dennis

[@justinjunior3600]

Can you tell me which way the star shaped metal washer type thing that sits on the spool shaft goes?i took my spool off and the white washer and metal washer were stuck to my spool and fell off so I’m not sure which way It goes because one side is more rounded than the other. It is Part no. 39. The schematic shows it all as one piece but the star shaped metal washer does come off the spool Shaft

[@2ndChanceTackle]

The rounded side faces up - Dennis

[@rustinmaglasang6746]

I am having difficulties with my Penn Fierce II 5000 reel and when attempting to service the spool shaft won't budge. I removed the two screws holding it into the reel but when trying to remove from the reel it won't move. I already attempted to use WD-40 to help loosen it up to no avail. Any ideas?

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Is the spool shaft stuck inside the pinion gear or the crosswind block. My bet is you have a bent axle shaft. Try this. Remove the screw from the crosswind block if you haven't done that yet. Remove the top end of the reel - the rotor. A/R. assembly and bearing tie down clamp. You should now be able to remove the pinion gear, bearing and axle shaft. Once you have it out, you may need to tap the axle shaft with a hammer while holding the pinion gear to free it. Since you don't know which side is jamming, try the top first and if it does not move, try tapping the bottom of the shaft to free it. If it is a bent axle shaft, you will need to replace it. Parts are available through Mysticparts.com a Penn Parts distributor - Dennis

[@motozixxer245]

So I have a fierce 3 and the drag can't be tightened all the way. I can turn the knob as tight as it will go but it never locks. Everytime I get a fish it's hard to reel it in because I'm losing line on the smaller fish. Should I just replace the drag discs?

[@2ndChanceTackle]

You don't say how long you have have the reel, but the Fierce 3 is not that old and you should not have worn out the HT100 drags already. Check to make sure the white teflon washer is on the axle shaft under the spool. If it is missing or worn, that may be your issue. Id this were the Fierce 1 or 2, I would suspect the washers were torn, as those were felt , not the newer Ht-100 on the current models. If you have the 1 or 2 version, go ahead and order the newer washers as they will make a big difference. At any rate, you need to remover the washers and check what is going on inside the spool - Dennis

[@motozixxer245]

@@2ndChanceTackle sorry I meant a pursuit 3. I'll pull it apart today and check. It does have the HT100 discs.

[@motozixxer245]

@@2ndChanceTackle I took it apart and it appears to be missing the rotor nut washer. I think this might be part of the problem

[@ZGADOW]

My new penn fierce 2 5000 got some sand it in on it's first use. I took it apart and removed the sand using your instructions which helped a lot, but after re-assembling it I am having issues with the spool being sloppy. The spool jiggles up/down and back and forth a few millimeters in all directions now, and the reel makes a faint squeaking noise when cranking the handle. I have dissassembled and reassembled it several times now looking for an issue but everything seems okay. Any idea why my spool is loose/wobbly or why the reel is squeaking faintly? I have fished it several more times and it still performs okay, but its not as smooth and quiet as It was when I got it, and the loose spool is driving me nuts.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Does the drag hold tight on your spool? If it does, then the play is coming from your crosswind block and gear. Hot much you can do about that other than to replace both and hope it resolves the problem. Take the side plate off and have a look at how and where the play is by pulling up and down on the spool while watching the axle shaft for movement. The squeak is probably due to you washing off all of the oils and grease while cleaning out the sane. Make sure that all moving parts, including the handle knob nd line roller are oiled or lubed again. Those are my best guesses - Dennis

[@ZGADOW]

@@2ndChanceTackle Thanks for your reply! the drag still functions perfectly. It must be the crosswind block. I'll take a closer look this afternoon

[@72armydad]

question. My drag is very tight even with the drag as loose as it can be. Thank you for your time.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Chances are that the drag washers are stuck to the metals. I think you need to take the drag assembly apart and clean and oil the washers to restore the function. When washers stick together, there is no variability in the tension. Try removing and cleaning these before you do anything else - Dennis

[@72armydad]

@@2ndChanceTackle Thank You and yes I did that but the spool is hard to take off and on. The seals look old even tho it is about a yr old. and i cleaned a bunch of what looked like crushed sand out also. still tight.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Sand is the absolute enemy of fishing reels. You may just want to by a new spool with drags. The microscopic sand dust can clog everything. I am assuming that the lower half of the reel works fine. At a minimum, you should clean the spool and replace the drags - Dennis

[@72armydad]

@@2ndChanceTackle yea everything else is good. Problem is new spool is like $30 plus shipping. Reel is only wort 80. Thank you for your help

[@StarLight-lt2tm]

My reel handle will spin won’t won’t disengage from the reel at all, it is making a grinding noise instead of unwinding, what can I do?

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Sounds like you have a broken gear inside or worn teeth. Please confirm that you are trying to remove the handle from the reel. I think auto-correct is changing a word or two

[@philpennacchio6691]

Thank you for the videos use them all to service my penns, lately ive been having a problem with the spool swelling to the brass shaft in the hot weather and rendering the drag useless. Have you heard of this before and maybe you have any tips?

[@nicstr28]

How in the world does your spool spread? Theres no way its because if heat unless you fish near lava

[@jessesanchez6300]

How big of a fish can the Penn fierce 2 6000 spinning reel handle with the carbontex drag washers

[@2ndChanceTackle]

It would handle a large 30-35 pound Striped bass or catfish if you put braid on it.

[@Goofyvan]

*First, I will say definitely get the Live Liner feature>>> **allabout.wiki/tbw4** I use it all the time. These seem to work as good as my more expensive Penn Spinfisher V 8500LL reels. I also have a Shimano Baitrunner 8000 and I wouldn't necessarily prefer it over any of the others. But I'm not an every day fisherman. In hindsight, I would have chose the fierce and saved the money. I use them to fish reefs around 70 ft or so and troll.*

[@2ndChanceTackle]

This is a great, economical alternative to the more pricey reels. Thanks for watching - Dennis

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Thank you for watching. Please subscribe and stay tuned for more to come

[@2ndChanceTackle]

I haven’t heard that before are you using braided line? That puts more pressure on the spool and may cause the swelling. Just a guess as I cannot say for certain- Dennis

[@paolosellan9445]

Hi Dennis, I am very new to this, but in all other reels, by removing the drag "cover" would allow me to separate the reel from the main body without removing any screws. With the Fierce 6000, this does not seem to work. Instead, I am forced to "unscrew" the whole spinning component from the main body in order to separate them. Is that normal?

[@2ndChanceTackle]

It is with this reel

[@joshuapearsonsr4106]

Hi Dennis, Josh here. I have a Penn Fierce 6000. I’m having a tough time figuring out where the 5 washers go. I have 3 brass colored, and 2 stainless washers. Any help is appreciated. Also, thanks for the videos! They’re a big help.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Here is the link yo the schematic for your reel. Locate the washers in question and you will see how and where they go. www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/frcii6000.pdf Thanks for asking - Dennis

[@worthdoss8043]

An upgrade to the Fierce II or the older Fierce is HT 100 drag washers from the older same size Penn Battle not the Battle II. There are an absolute ton of parts that interchange between the Fierce and the Battle.

[@adolfouresti7561]

mine feels shaky/loose what should I replace or tighten more?

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Try to tighten the rotor nut. That can come loose with vibration. It is located under the spool and on top of the rotor - Dennis

[@adolfouresti7561]

@@2ndChanceTackle thank you for the advice!! great videos you just gained another sub 👍🏻

[@levibenjamin3673]

I have the same reel but it has the live liner on it. Is that different

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Yes - it is very different. The live liner has two drag systems - top and bottom and it has a trip mechanism to switch between the two. If you haven’t worked on fishing reels, this is not the one to start with due to the added complexity of the bait feeder system - Dennis

[@fpsbro3160]

Hi Denis, recently got the Penn Fierce 2 6000, brand new. It was smooth when spooling. However, when i fished for the first time, it was an arm workout reeling in my 4oz weight. Help please

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Hmmm. First, take the reel off of the pole. After that, my first thing to do is to remove the spool and crank the reel to see if it is gear related or spool related. You may find line wrapped around the axle shaft under the spool. If the reel is hard to turn with the spool removed, then it would be mechanical and you would need to remove the side plates for a look inside. - Unfortunately, this could be caused by a lot of different things, including a bad guide on your pole (that is why I want you to remove the reel from the pole) so I have to be general in my response. Let me know what you find - Thank you.for asking - Dennis

[@Lukypie]

Cleaned and oiled my drag just how you did and my drag still pretty tight when I have it set pretty loose. Any suggestion on what it might be?

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Check the condition of the felt washers. If they are worn, torn, or buckling, then they would need to be replaced. I am assuming that you cleaned out the spool recess where the drag washes sit. That needs to be free of sand and grit as that would also cause the problem. I am also assuming that the metal washers are smooth and not pitted or corroded. If they are, you can usually clean them up with #0000 steel wool. A lot of folks are making the conversion on the Fierce reels from the felt washers to the Carbontex fabric washers. These add a few extra pounds of max drag, but the main reason they do this is because the Carbontex washes are much more durable. Carbontex washers are available online through smoothdrags.com and other sources. I think the washes run about $9 for a set of 3. You can reuse the metal washers if they are n good condition. Thanks for asking. Let me know if that solves the problem. - Dennis.

[@Lukypie]

2nd Chance Tackle thank! Very helpful!

[@xxdv03xx]

Hey I found two of my dad old penn reel and was wondering if u do mail in maintenance for the reels?

[@2ndChanceTackle]

I do mail order repairs for KZbin viewers. Please send me a note to [e-mail] and I will send you the particulars - Thanks for asking - Dennis

[@howardanby6157]

What type of oil and grease do you recommend? I have come across conflicting information on the web

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Penn Precision reel grease and oil. You can buy a combination pack online for around $12

[@howardanby6157]

Thanks

[@tbar5524]

why no service on the bail?

[@2ndChanceTackle]

The bail does not require service unless it is sticking - A drop of oil at best is all that is required - Dennis

[@justbrowsing8]

Hey Dennis. I was wondering if you can help me solve an issue. I have a Fierce 2 LL and I just cleaned and re-greased everything. (I did add a thinner layer of grease compared to the manufacturer.) When I go to crank the handle, it feels like and sounds like the main gear making contact with either the pinion gear or the crosswind gear causing a noise. The description might not make sense or be vague but what do you think is causing the noise? Thanks for your help.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Hi Andy - the first thought is that this is a case / side plate issue causing a mis-alignment, Assuming you put this back together according to the schematic and have located the shims where they should be on the main gear, and have the bait feeder trip reset properly, then the problem you are describing is usually that the case is not tightened down enough, or ironically, overtightened. One will cause misalignment, the other will cause a bind. Did the side plate easily snap into place when you reinstalled it? If not, something is not reinstalled properly and will affect the operation by causing a grind. It is not that you used less grease than the manufacturer. They overload the reels when the ship them. I suggest you recheck your work and pay particular attention to the side plate during reinstall. If you do not have the schematic, you can find it at Mysticparts.com, under the Penn Parts tab of the home page. - Let me know how you do. Thank you - Dennis

[@justbrowsing8]

@@2ndChanceTackle Thank you very much for the quick reply Dennis. I'll give you a follow up as soon as I can.

[@justbrowsing8]

I honestly do not know what it was (probably alignment and over tightening) but after I took it apart, double checked my work, and tighten it with less strength, it was all good. No more noise. Your video about servicing the shielded bearings came in handy as well. I realized that I had a bit of sand in one of the bearings that sits on the pinion gear. Cleared that up and everything is now great. Thank you very much Dennis for your help and time you put into these videos. I really appreciate it.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

Glad it's up and working - Good luck fishing!! Dennis

[@Spigola1-351]

Hey Denis, do you know the exact model # and amount of HT-100 washers I need for upgrading my 6000 Firece 2 ? I'd like to replace the felt washers to carbon. Thanks.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

I don't know the part number. Please contact either Mysticparts.com (formerly Pennparts.com) or Smoothdrag.com for the info. You can order from them as well. - Thanks for asking - Dennis

[@Spigola1-351]

@@2ndChanceTackle Hey Denis, no problem! I'll give them a call. Thank you.

[@Spigola1-351]

Good morning Denis, I just confirmed with Mystic Parts that the replacement felt washers for the Fierce 2 6000 is 56-CFT5000 and require 5 washers. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

You are welcome. Please stay tuned - Dennis

[@Spigola1-351]

Sorry guys. As per mystic parts the replacement felt washers for the carbon washers for Penn Fierce 2 6000 is part# 56-CFT5000. This part# does not fit the Fierce 2 6000. Will have to do some research to find the correct replacement carbon washers. Will repost when I get the correct part number.

[@worthdoss8043]

Oh yes one other thing do yourself a big favor and get CRC 2-26 in place of WD-40. It is a light weight plastic safe food grade mineral oil I have used for years on everything. 1000 times better than WD-40.

[@BryanGold]

You lost me at WD-40. And using common screwdriver on phillips screws.

[@2ndChanceTackle]

I'll bet! Thanks for watching - Dennis