Penuel The Black Pen In Conversation Penson Mlotshwa, Marriage, Modern Dating, Being a Deputy Mom.

[@konvo_za]

THE PENUEL SHOW WITH PENSON MLOTSHWA 00:00 - INTRO 04:10 - Dating scene in 2024 12:40 - Male struggles, societal conditioning 20:30 - Telling ordinary stories 22:00 - Fatherlessness, absent father's 30:00 - Dating & marriage 40:20 - What would you do differently 43:00 - Body count 51:20 - Marriage 1:00:55 - Our mothers, loyalty & infidelity 1:04:35 - Jada Smith , Red table 1:07:30 - Relationship age gaps, mental health 1:18:50 - Is Jada an alpha 1:20:50 - Minnie Dlamini 1:29:35 - Fatherhood 1:37:34 - Polygamy, Polyandry 1:42:45 - Honesty 1:46:55 - Closing comments 1:52:55 - ENDS

[@meshacksivhidzho1091]

IMAGINE HAVING A BROTHER YOU CAN CONVERSE WITH, ON THIS LEVEL..

[@omphemetsechake2839]

We don't have...😅

[@PCWP]

I have a sibling I can converse kanje

[@MyMystery9]

i have one

[@meshacksivhidzho1091]

@MyMystery9 you are blessed, bro. 🙌

[@siziwethela6705]

Dope

[@godpenuel]

I hope to one day get my son back... Zulu Mlotshwa. I tried everything I could within the law to gain access to him & failed. All I hope for now, is for him to grow up & come to me... knowing that he may hate me, based on what he's been mis-taught about me. We stay fighting. The world hates good men.

[@Drawingboredi]

How did you lose him? If you were there nothing anyone tells him would show him otherwise because you would be there to show him for real. That's why I ask how did you lose him? Have you become a good man now? If you have always been then how did you lose him?

[@petergarrett4385]

It's so sad I wonder what led to the fights between you and her Mom maybe we will learn from that development.

[@godpenuel]

@@Drawingboredi I'd prefer to not answer this currently. I've made lots of videos about my journey in the past. And am not keen to unpack it right now. I hope that's okay 🙏🏽

[@thembisamakhoba1606]

Kuzolunga my brother we feel your pain

[@mzwaneledlamini2053]

On the topic of ordinary stories and relationships… including that of ur son. I’d love for u to go watch a movie called Fences by Denzel Washington - I believe it’s a beautiful story about manhood and fatherhood that isn’t told very often. Idk about u but that movie brought me to tears

[@sizwegabela1655]

The problem with Penuel is that he is not interviewing Penson but debating him. We understand he is your brother but have some respect and keep it professional

[@meriamkamati-nkoshi3273]

This relationship is at another level- the authenticity!!! Give us at least one talk every week. You have no idea how much we learn from you. You are both talented. Thank you Penson for re- empathizing on how important it is to keep your family issues under wraps. It’s not for public consumption. Thank you from 🇳🇦🇳🇦🇳🇦

[@nompumeleloskhosana816]

I dont care what people say about you guys, you are our black success story. Siyabonga - kukhanye njalo

[@KAIZERCHIEFSCORNER]

I love Podcast & Chill but today when their episode was premiering I actually stopped watching after 5 minutes and came here and I was hooked, you guys conversate about real issues that affects us Men and Women, big up!!

[@laviniashiponeni1]

Say it again!!

[@boipelomosoetsa9450]

Penuel, its already established at this point that you're a smart and knowledgeable guy but maybe try to just listen when your guest is speaking instead of constantly interrupting. Watching from that point when Penson was listing/describing the dynamics in popular sitcoms so that he can build on his point, you kept interrupting as if to show that you know as much or more about what he's saying. Relax a little next but overall, great podcast.

[@toolzntoolz9857]

Penuel we understand Pesnon is your young brother, but please next time respect him more, allow him to speak like you allow other reputable speakers. Thanks man

[@lifeofkhutso.7001]

Eish , he cuts his sentences with questions before he finishes his points

[@WhatsinterestigToday]

That's how most siblings are though. It's not scripted. It shouldn't be. Unless you and your siblings have a different style of banter and deep reflections, I think you are asking for too much. Sorry

[@WhatsinterestigToday]

Penson is great. He understands how this relationship works. They get each other. Where are your siblings?

[@siyabongadlamini2904]

Personally i think the convo was perfect 🥰

[@nkaliphomkhize2702]

@toolzntoolz9857 Relax bro,they get each other

[@tintswalobaloyi8540]

That loud Sip @45:26 was legit a younger brother trying the most to irritate the older brother...... They do this to me all the time😂😂😂

[@godpenuel]

So YT deleted my comment... ok. My point was: there are topics that this platform don't want us to discuss. They demonetize & throttle the reach. I won't mention those words here coz they might be the reason my comment was deleted. R@p3, su1c1d3, h0m0f0b1a and other such words. So we then rely on you guys to share the content on your platforms & donate directly to us for those episodes. Very sad, but the platform is @mer1c@n and has it's own @gendas. Sad, but ke...

[@themakerofmagic]

I have a friend that works for YT SA, we can try to make a case to have it reviewed. A lot of it is the AI working at scale and its not 100% accurate which they know so a human can change the decision upon review if it's reported internally

[@B.A95]

Hello Pen, First of all thanks for bringing up the conversations that matter,you doing good in all ways in my opinion, we could also improve on giving our guests room to construct their conversation, their statement, the point they are trying to make before an interruption, its not necessarily happening often, but jusy enough to kinda f up the conversations in some way, i noticed it too on Vusi, a number of times he would say "sorry" , professional for "let me finish", i think there could be an improvement there ...Thank you again

[@Mongezi_mdzoyi]

With looks and physique Penson looks older but when they both open their mouths you realise Penuel is older cause he’s more eloquent and smarter than Penson otherwise great intellectual stimulating conversation gents keep it up!

[@SylerSyd]

I kind of always hate how God pen makes penson sound so average

[@SimonAtVolkswagen]

I just discovered your brother, damn he good. But you handled him as a young brother and that’s what made it interesting for me.

[@maneli3769]

This would be very educational; informative and ground-shifting if there was a panel to give their views. Get an older & younger male and an older & younger female; people we already know and respect to be on the panel to have the conversation.

[@HighlyFav]

Yho, don’t fight me. I’m just adding my input into this conversation. You don’t have to agree with it. A pure woman should be with a pure man. Explain why a woman should keep herself pure only to settle down with a man that’s been around several times. People should date each other based on their level of purity.

[@Drawingboredi]

Simple and klar!this one isn't even offering to settle. He doesn't want marriage so who must stay pure to get picked by him 😂😂 for what, just to be made an additional baby mama ? The nerve 😤

[@nthabisengmasia8988]

100%

[@MsRoriT]

That last sentence was so funny! 😂😂😂

[@Drawingboredi]

We've become a selfish society. The other thing is over exposure. We know too much about too many people, unfortunately that means being exposed to things which make us feel like certain things are no longer worth it. As a result people have decided on short-term enjoyment.😮

[@MbalzzM]

Let your brother SPEAK!!! Yoh…😢 liked his perspectives.

[@abeltembe6179]

HE LOOKS DOWN ON HIM FOR SOME REASON, HE DOESNT SEE HIM AS AN EQUAL

[@SimangelePula]

27:36 I hear Penson. Mom and dad are both needed for a child, it helps with balance.

[@enhle.chonco]

The blueprint for healthy relationships babu Penson is in the holy bible

[@marcelxn1chi]

wisdom in plain sight

[@skhumalo3971]

Amen 🙏

[@matshidisophaladi6935]

Amazing conversation... Deep, enlightening, this conversation actually challenges my mind at another level seeing you guys unpacking these necessary topics which are society norms.

[@MangoLimuwon]

Pen& pen conversions always slaps 🔥✌🏾 no hand shake here 😂😂😂thanks

[@philakahlencwane8764]

Aaaahh. Penson getting emotional talking about how people will never know Penuel and the pain of him not being able to access his son. That was a deep moment for him.

[@DarkBerry101]

I love how they get along as brothers ❤❤ great show

[@7_E_4-7-O_B_4_Y]

The Tate brothers in the making......!!! Dankie boys 🙏

[@nalamaq7586]

Penson recently said ive come to realise that my brother Penuel is a striker and i Penson am a defender and my role is to defend and pass him the ball so he can score for US(family) damn bro...that takes another level of respect and and and....

[@clipzovid99]

Bathong Penuel can you just learn to back down and let your guest speaker finish their point...gosh i almost clicked off because its so annoying trying to listen to him while you're constantly interjecting and derailing his point which has so much wisdom. Or you are scared he might outshine you with wisdom....you might be factually intelligent but he is definitely wiser....so listen to him more you might learn a lot.

[@GIINJAFLAME]

😂😂ishu!

[@SindiZondi]

Seconds in. Imani wasebaba kangaka uPenson ✅ looking after your health really pays off ❤❤❤❤❤

[@PCWP]

He is such a good looking man

[@kagisholeshilo2686]

That trauma introduction is true because, when i push through a challenge or bad circumstance, it takes changing my perspective, and improving my conversation skills with myself and others to become the person who will fully overcome my adversity.

[@thulanimanda6113]

Those "What", "Huh" moments are priceless. The real in the conversations you have is so appreciated.

[@thetopicvortex7157]

Lol that brother dynamic is full of chemistry, I'm here for it. I hope this isn't the last we see of this in the african space.

[@Wyt_Rabbit]

Penson is hot that time thanks for the chat.

[@serofoennierakgogo5363]

Way too Hot 🔥🔥❤

[@pinkblushdee]

Penuel is so rude. Penson isn't given the chance to make his point and I want to hear it

[@tintswalobaloyi8540]

Penson Loud sipping his tea at 45:26🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MmampsN]

If there's a need for you to know my body count, there's also going to be a need for me to see your 3 months banks statement Sir. Sprinkle Sprinkle!!

[@underpressure8250]

Penson is fkn funny! "Oh you think I dig dig. I DiDig" 🤣 clown! Thanks guys.

[@siphenkosifiltane4200]

As I was listening to this dating and multiple partners segment, Penuel was struggling to listen, defensive because the points were hitting home. But he was not attacking him but clarifying his belief.

[@nduduzosithole1584]

I enjoy your conversations guys, I understand Penson more futhi if ekhuluma with his brother, he asks him questions that channel him to answer kahle

[@nompumeleloskhosana816]

1:23:10 Ezinye izinto, they not for the world - facts

[@ellesunshyn]

Penuel please can you allow your brother to complete his thoughts without interrupting him. Would have liked for this to be a conversation not you debating and challenging most of what your brother was saying. Great dialogue nevertheless.

[@bhutmalumz]

I always enjoy listening to Penuel & Penson unpack. Their differing opinions are very eye-opening.

[@kwamboka1470]

Penson....a voice of reason....reality not fake social media.

[@NgcangcaSiya]

Thank you for the real conversation… love person

[@khomotsoemmanuelmothata9150]

Great conversation. Stop talking over him though.

[@nthabelengkubeka5073]

Yoh thank you for introducing us to pension mlotshwa- he’s candy for the eye

[@fortunetshabalala534]

Where's the "gay handshake" Bros...👋🏽👋😂 I know this is gonna be a dope conversation

[@JongikhayaMhlontlo]

I agree with My Wife and Kids and Blackish comparison but you also don't mention Everybody Hates Chris.

[@boipelommileng]

The day I get to sit with Penuel🤐 These conversations make me feel like an anomoly and I know Im not.

[@siyabongaradebe4186]

Something about these two, makes envy the brother relationship that i wish i had with my own brother🙇🏾

[@RoxcyV]

Penuel you have so many interruptions where you alter the focus with immature humor that a teenager. Like it’s ok to add humor but it’s an adult conversation and that discipline to maintain that level of professionalism even with a younger brother. Keep putting up content for those of us in USA

[@WhatsinterestigToday]

If you change during the relationship, let me know before you act on it

[@NomsaBaloyi-e5h]

What the conversation but Buti Penson has opinions based on social media point of view

[@bernettemabasa3759]

Life is Tough... And a picture can only capture but a moment or an instant... It cant tell a story... Most peoples instagrams are lies well maybe not even lies but creations of moments to paint a picture of how they want others to see their lives because the truth is ugly.. Its filled with sad days, loneliness, anxiety, fights, stress and struggle... I have seen the extent that some bullshit themselves to and its sad.. Reality is no one really expects anything from you, no one really cares about you so rather live in your truth... You may not get as many likes but you wont feel the need to hide and maybe others can learn the actual cost of your life... Stop making everything seem sexy, it isnt.. Most shit is just hard...

[@NomsaBaloyi-e5h]

I as a woman my observation about being a in a society you are expected to behave in a certain ways by public eyes,we are not allowed to express ourselves as we choose too

[@Millenial_Wallets]

But then why should you care? why should society dictate how you should be? no one is holding you by the neck end of the day.. i personally advice you to be yourself and avail yourself to whomever that will appreciate you for who you are. the world is already full of puppets trying to fit into society that's toxic already.

[@NomsaBaloyi-e5h]

@@Millenial_Wallets hi ,I don't hold my self I to experience everything

[@Millenial_Wallets]

@@NomsaBaloyi-e5h fair enough, may this nasty society not affect you. it has done its damage already.

[@fabianbooysen3718]

I support Pensyls view that dating multiple people shift the heart from its original place which is the centre of the chest. The mere fact that so much being invested in each other to everytime find yourself on a kickstart is senseless. Investments meaning emotional, financial etc. Your identity is not locked up in someone who would hopefully come by someday. Multiple relationships does not increase in value😂😂

[@ThePhilosophicalZombie]

Penuel asked questions that represent some of the ideas that the people who may disagree with Penson. It does not necessarily mean he disturbed/disagreed with Penson just because he is his young brother!!!

[@nompumeleloskhosana816]

now this- slaps

[@AM-yk1vt]

I had to stop watching when I realised I needed to know all types of series and movies to get the conversation. Can people not make their point without referencing something else. Maybe I'm wired because I never was into TV like that and the ones I did watch I have forgotten everything about it.

[@boipelomosoetsa9450]

But referencing popular media, whether its books or series or movies, has always been a great way of building onto a point you're trying to make. Great conversationalists do that all the time because it also puts a better and clearer context or description to what is being discussed. Look at all the best talk show hosts like Seth Meyers or Trevor Noah. They do it all the time and for good reasons. The more you know (in general), the more references you're able to pull to add onto a conversation, especially when describing certain situations or circumstances.

[@ThePhilosophicalZombie]

For the longest of times it use to bother me that I wasn't familiar with a lot of the things being referenced from back in the days. I've learnt that it is not a bad thing to go back and learn or research on the "point of reference"

[@TheBlaqPill]

I Like This Penwell . Keep pushing Penson to the ropes . Big up guys 😂

[@kagisholeshilo2686]

My mom and dad never highlighted the challenges or marriage. that knowledge usually came from my personal mistakes and sources outside our home.

[@WhatsinterestigToday]

Let’s sign up for open cards. From the beginning not along the way. Secrecy has no upsides

[@Marsh_Mel]

This guest is so draining… he lost the plot when he started contradicting himself with gender roles in the home “a present father doesn’t have to be there physically”🧐 Then it was downhill from there😅

[@LamlaTame]

Penuel please shut up some times and let your guests complete their sentences😢

[@MatshepoMokgomo]

As for “like a dog with that lil pink thing out” 🤣🤣 Jeewzzz! This is infinitely one of my favourite subjects. Let’s keep having these conversations please - they are necessary and they can help us fix a lot ❤🖤 Thank you gents. Keep up the good work 😉

[@sebastianpillay8113]

And please have guest speak louder it's the 3rd time I saw certain guest speaks very slow or not sure if it is the mic on the guest side

[@zanelemagagula4110]

I loved the conversation OMG Nina nobabili amadoda alamanayo axoxe kanje lovely❤….you kid’s especially sons must be proud to have ubabomkhulu nobabomncane ofana nani….please bring him back 🌸🙏😍

[@innocentc.3521]

Clearly, the younger one has more depth

[@getforex72]

Please next time allow your brother to speak more at length. Please

[@blackmomchronicles2077]

An incredible conversation. Please invite Hakeem Anderson Lesolang, one of the dopest black therapists in this country and incredibly insightful. We need more of these, please 🙏🏽

[@NomsaBaloyi-e5h]

There's so much that is expected from us based on the ideology of others about our sexual lifestyle, behaviour, dating, marriage choice, expression age,tbased on the societal conditions of others often judged if you wanna express yourself according to how i wabe my self that i can be independent,strong,who to date,when to sexually preferences according to me, and when to committee

[@felixmkhwanazi6802]

You guys make a great show 😂

[@KeamoMlangeni]

Women not females...

[@skgsinc1833]

Same thing

[@nthabelengkubeka5073]

Speaking from experience, why do older siblings always feel the need to prove a point when the younger one does better than? This interview was full of interjections from the interviewer to the interviewed. 😢 I stopped watching

[@ruudbwoy404]

Patiently waiting 👑🎈

[@AlandeBabi]

Wait, am I the only lady jumping up n down apha uyarhabula......am with your brother, Women can kill me on this Bayaxoka... we are very deceitful beautiful :-) creatures....

[@thatofloyd2054]

Penson's sense of humor is out of this world 😂

[@gcinukuthulamashele4544]

I agree that things need to be kept within the family... however, I think grace needs to be extended for when someone was wronged, like cheated on. Being cheated on is a traumatic experience. In a situation like that, the person is not sane. The person would quite literally act in a way they would have never acted had that not happened. Enhle acted in a way she's never acted before, and I knew she would recollect herself. She had devoted her whole life to him, and at that point, the pain, grief, and loss was immense. At times, that public outcry is a trauma response... it's what you think you need to do to survive that ordeal. At that point, you are literally trying to survive the trauma, and saving face is the last thing on your mind. So we can't expect sanity from someone who is literally going crazy... eventually, they will gather themselves, but at that point they are trying to survive.

[@sjozana]

Being a present father has nothing to do with are you married to this woman. I have an uncle who, like Penuel, has multiple kids with multiple women. In fact, none of his kids share a mother except the 2 sets of twins who each have their own mother. So they only share a mother because they are twins. My uncle is not a rich man, a teacher in fact. Lived elokshini with his mom all his life. But he was a present father. He had great relationships with all his children, his children knew and cared for each other and they have close relationships with his extended family. Being present as a father is not necessarily about being deputy mom or marrying the first and every other woman you get pregnant, it's about being responsible for and loving the life you brought into the world period. Even if you got no money, be there. Do your best. But we live in RSA where lack of personal responsibility is the trend so ... ya.

[@nomynoms1969]

Team Bekezela: I as a sister, I find it hard how in a partnership of us agreeing to walk a journey together I must now bekezela while you creating different paths trying to get away from what we BOTH agreed to do… This is the reason why we are so different from our mothers who “Bekezelad” through everything bebalaka iHlazo or staying loyal to nonsense… Why must I bekezela what you wouldn’t bekezela? Moreover if you facing challenges why are you not letting me in on them& let’s tackle them together instead of “Shaya-shaying” me as your partner but I must bekezela for the sake of what we building together, yet you dribbling the one you should be building with. Ekubekezeleni , let’s bekezela situation that come our way not me bekezelaring your dribbles.. Weeeh🙄🤦🏾‍♀️🤣 angeke.

[@khwezimagwaza1299]

Love the interview ayi but ke was defeated when my brother says he dowsnt understand marriage. Awoa. Marriage is the foundation of building healthy families, which feeds into creating a healthier society. Have a life partner if you have no intention of having kids.

[@luthoskweyiya8403]

Pen, please stop asking them questions bro. Just prob and let him speak, we cant be sitting here for two hours.

[@mansoomsulaiman6030]

Both Penuel and Penson speak very intelligently.

[@961638mzi]

Ndilinde ngomonde. I always learn something from of your interviews.

[@mzothulezulu1998]

Bro i love this relationship.

[@Rhenadhis]

Your relationship is soooo good, i loved watching these two intelligent brains go at it and watching the unmatched chemistry

[@herkonke6774]

Ever heard of Adsense

[@lifepillars4u]

Looking forward to this one!

[@mlungisiedwin2052]

Next episode with your brother and let him speak we want to hear him hauw

[@MandisaManci]

Penson you are crazy, your terms are obsurd. #tolly!!🤣🤣🤣

[@MandisaManci]

WE WANT A MUFASA, that's real facts!

[@herkonke6774]

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[@vuyanimas3845]

dial a what 😂😂😂😂 dial a Ohhh....

[@charmainemhlongo7483]

Yho the rare commodities that are also losers 😂😂😂

[@sihle1930]

Penelope keeps interrupting this guy yeses hai

[@Drawingboredi]

Buthi oMcinci kaPenual is mixing alot of things. Being of service to your child is not the role of a mom. Reading a book to a child is an act anyone can do. We are no longer playing these roles you've defined. You're comparing showing a child to ride a bike (4lessons at most) to reading to a child to put them to sleep, something which has to be done daily. Men cry because they didn't connect with their fathers and you say nurturing belong to a woman and men must show tough love? We might be redefining what our roles now are as a society but what you're breaking down is not it. Men can nurture. Yes the role of a man should not be erased but tasks/services provided to raise a child do not have to be gendered nor is showing kindness so uthini Buthi? The one who can must do what needs to be done. The one who can't must learn what needs to be done. End of the day, what must be done, must be done and yes in a nurturing way. Nurturing is not without tough love. Ask God.

[@KD11GAMING]

❤

[@sinovuyomkupa4158]

HAHAHAHA UYADIKA UPENSON

[@FoodLovesSosa]

Lol i can tell who the younger brother is

[@juliusjose8476]

Beautiful 🎉❤

[@PoocheszMay]

Penson raised some really good points , statistics and well thought out , objective opinions and arguments. 🇿🇦

[@Nondzaba]

These two things came to mind listening to you gents discuss The Smiths🤣: - Psychologist on The Real Talk Show on SABC 3 said "in general relationships have a duration of 20-25 years." Now let's think about that statement. The behaviour of partners are bound to get better or worse. - Will and Jayda are self-employed so "do what you gotta do for income". Business mindset: If the world loves a subject you provide then releasing a book wouldn't be a bad decision.

[@AlandeBabi]

Penuel disown your brother hahahahaha sahleki yhooooo mxm Love you two