"PEP CHANGED FOOTBALL!"🔥 - Goldstein & Bent DEBATE Whether Pep Or Fergie Is A BETTER Manager?! 💢😤

Andy Goldstein & Darren Bent discuss if Pep Or Fergie is a better manager after Roy Keane says Pep is better.
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[@GIBBO4182]

The guy has won 12 league titles in 16 years of management! Including 2 trebles…the best managers manage the best teams, and the best players

[@spinnach2896]

15years, not 16. He was on sabbatical for one year..

[@David-zl9qw]

Well said mate

[@planetebeautecali4485]

The best Managers can Manage any Team that's why Mourinho was not afraid of Managing Roma or Carlo with Everton and Napoli, Fergie Aberdeen..Pep would never dare manage a Team that can't guarantee him a checkbook.

[@planetebeautecali4485]

​@@David-zl9qwPep has managed Clubs that are expected to win the Champions League. He would struggle anywhere else.

[@KINGKING10109]

He was overwhelmingly favourites to win every one of those titles tho mate

[@lordmill4572]

Sir Alex stayed for 27 years at united, and won 2 champions leagues and lossed 2 finals(to pep) and 13 epl. if pep is to stay 27 years at city, he wins at least 5 UCLs, and 20 epl. he legit can win 10 epl in a row tbh

[@JamesEvans-uh7nu]

Pep goes to clubs with big money

[@thatsplenty1]

Lost

[@mikem8211]

They're legit getting charged this season 😂

[@betrthnu3413]

@@JamesEvans-uh7nu Clubs with big money want Pep.

[@Ghost-tx4ft]

Pep has won 1 UCL in 9 years, if thats the math you are using it means 2 UCL in 18 years and 3 in 27 if he wins them all.

[@batman1980]

I said this the other day. Pep 6 leagues in 8 is unreal. A 75% win.

[@planetebeautecali4485]

It's not unreal when you have 115 charges.

[@AGE_97]

​@planetebeautecali4485 where was 115 at Barça and Bayern? Bro is the best.

[@Photosoflife]

Bent made a great point about distinguishing between manager and coach. Sir Alex’s man management was incredible but Pep is far and away the better coach. A lot of people forget Sir Alex was not coaching United for many years before his retirement. He had taken on more of a general manager role and outsourced the actual coaching to his staff. Which was very smart on his part. But Pep blows Sir Alex out of the water when it comes to coaching every day of the week.

[@yippeeki-yay1691]

People gloss over what Ferguson did at Aberdeen as well.

[@thefirst8482]

No , Bent said Pep is by far a better coach but then said as for Manager he he doesnt know who is better. That tells you he is a biased fool

[@kierancasey1436]

Manchester Citys average age was 31.4 when pep took over with 15 of the overall squad 0f 25 over 30 and 9 of those were starting 11 players. Pep built City from the ground up. That's why they only finished 3rd in his first season.

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

The ground up lol, he had Kompany, Fernandinho, Toure, De Bruyne, Silva, Sterling and Aguero when he first took over lol

[@michaelelah8106]

​@@ItsAv3rageGamer Toure didn't play for Pep until Pep's second season

[@handsolo1209]

@@ItsAv3rageGamer He also had Hart, Kolarov, Clichy, Sagna, Zabaleta, Delph, Fernando, Caballero, Navas, all but one of whom were gone the next season, so he did a total rebuild of that team.

[@planetebeautecali4485]

Yeah and that cost Money at Man UTD or Liverpool he wouldn't have transformed the Squad that fast.

[@planetebeautecali4485]

​@@michaelelah8106He still had quality players who had already won the League.

[@sandeshmishra1205]

Pep has broken every record that sir Alex fergison had and pep is better then sir Alex 💙

[@pjoseph5950]

Grow up!

[@ryannaylor1925]

Fergue's always been head and shoulders above everyone for me but you can't deny what peps doing. Think pep will finish as the best. Both great managers so who cares really

[@simthembilemalusi8670]

Arguing with Andy is like arguing with a child

[@Rodney231]

Pep literally had Fergie shaking in his seat..... Everyone is copying Pep...the better manager by some distance is Pep

[@andreassilver6281]

lmao, no he didnt he just had the best team ever, Luis Enrique won the treble in his first season with a worse team than Pep.

[@Rodney231]

@@andreassilver6281 Pep took over a Team that finished 4th in La Liga , ended the season trophyless, playing so badly ...Barca fired their manager Rijkard...Pep took that Team and brought them to a level where now most persons considered themto be the best ever...He got rid of established players like Ronaldinho and Deco and implemented players he was using in Barcelona B (Busquets,Pedro and Thiago Alcantara) to the first Team, while taking Xavi from being a bench player to a starter after getting rid of Deco...

[@Rodney231]

@@andreassilver6281 Pep took a Team that should have been in a transitional period to the heights of greatness....Enrique had peak Neymar which is obviously better than a wash up Henry, peak Suarez is also better than Etod, and Messi under Pep was a young player that was just given the mantle from Ronaldinho with 0 Balon Dor...Under Enrique's Tenure Messi had already broken ridiculous records, winning like 3 balding dors and plenty golden boots and was now at the peak of his abilities.... Enquire had Ter Stegan in goal and Pep had Victor Valdes......The mere fact you need to tell lies shows that Pep is truly the GOAT

[@nickfox4766]

Pep is on the training pitch every day coaching the team, Fergie didn’t coach his teams he left that for McLaren and Quiros to do. For me Pep is number 1 🔥

[@TacitusKilgore165]

Guardiola runs circles around Fergie tactically but SAF was a great motivator and leader of men who could get the best out of his lads

[@docholiday-lm4vf]

Peps style all came from cryuff. And pep is the first to admit that

[@rrjgpl]

@@docholiday-lm4vf, Pep took the lessons he learnt from Cruyff and adapted it in modern football to play against any team. As soon as some team finds a way to beat his system, he tweaks his system just enough to continue winning. He might borrow a tactic or 2 from other managers, but he knows to adapt brilliantly. That’s why he has longevity in modern football and someone as good as Mourinho has not progressed beyond his past successes.

[@cozzy9208]

“Could he have done what Arteta did” I’m sorry? WHAT 🤣🤣🤣

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

Turn over an entire squad like Arteta has done is what they mean. We had virtually nothing when Arteta first took over.

[@KrisKTBFFH]

@@ItsAv3rageGamerstill have nothing. Haven’t done anything of significance.

[@cozzy9208]

@@ItsAv3rageGamer I’m sorry but that is one of the funniest and most clueless things I’ve ever heard

[@planetebeautecali4485]

What don't you get? Like the whole reason Pep signed for Man City is because he was guaranteed total control and financial backing, Man City had already won the League and was expected to do so again. Pep would have miserably failed at Arsenal, Liverpool or Man UTD.

[@cozzy9208]

@@planetebeautecali4485 well for one what is it that Arteta has done? 🤣 pep’s achievements completely dwarf Arteta’s whole life’s achievements and it’s such a myth about the money. Arteta has spent more on transfers than Pep since he joined Arsenal 🤔

[@FlailheadGaming]

Pep is miles ahead. Innovative, trailblazing, influential on a global scale, different leagues, trophies, brand of football,etc. It's not even close.

[@peptalk7658]

Pep dusts Fergie. Fourmidables, Domestic Treble, The Treble, Centurions. There is nothing Ferguson has done that Pep has not. Theres plenty Pep has done that Ferguson never has. And before you bring 13PL/25 seasons, Pep has 12 League Titles/15 seasons. Ferguson didnt have what it takes to conquer other leagues bcoz he got all the media/ref favoritism in England, which he knew he wouldn't get abroad, and he would have been found out. Pep turned the PL into a farmers league. Fergie doesn't even show up to derbies anymore, he that ashamed. "Not in my lifetime. NOW IT'S EVERYTIME. " End of

[@Blaze26909]

FAILED WHEN HE CANT CHEAT WITH BAYERN WHILE THE GOAT WON A EUROPEN CUP WITH ABERDEEN😂😂😂😂END OF COPE HARDER😂😂😂

[@Thetinybudos]

​​@@Blaze26909 if Aberdeen is the big achievement then Mourinho is the goat due to Porto.

[@roystondacosta1712]

People forget that pep had to replace legend like Yaya, Aguero, David Silva, Kompany, Fernandino etc from the old guard. Managers struggle to replace 1 legendry player but Pep has successfully replaced them all. The biggest example is Klopp's Liverpool still have not replaced Gini Wijnaldum where gini is not even a legendary player

[@russellward4624]

City werent "riding high". Theyd finished 4th on GD.

[@GermanChickenwing]

The question should be who will win more if both have the same budget to spend on players ? No coach will win more than Pep..Prime Fergie will struggle with Pep right now

[@alansouthall8221]

pep is way ahead of everyone.

[@CalvinHobbs-eb6fj]

Yes, I agree. Pep is the best coach there is. Mou couldn't keep up with him. Klopp is the only one that we could say is at that level but he is leaving for a sabbatical. Kloop will be back next year.

[@mikem8211]

Yeah in terms of budget he's clear 😂

[@alansouthall8221]

@@mikem8211 he is regularly outspent. he makes do with his 2nd or 3rd choice transfer targets. fanously he won a league without a striker as they couldn't meet spurs asking price 5th in terms of wage bill over the last 5 years 4th in terms of net spend Liverpool beat him to van dyk, chelsea to cucurello, arsenal to rice, united to sanchez, fred, mcguire etc

[@mikem8211]

@alansouthall8221 Mate Man City started by signing half of Arsenal's first team. They may be legit now but the fact what's happening now was built on the foundations of fraud how can they be respected. Man City are financially doped to the eyeballs. You can not go from a yo yo team to the highest revenue earners in 15 years not even Chelsea had the audacity to try and claim that. You're obviously younger mate to all older fan's we know what City are no question they're cheating gits

[@lonelyboy1977]

Guardiola is simply following the blueprint laid out by Rinus Michels.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

It's really funny how much of a problem Goldstein has when it comes to saying a person or team is better than man utd, plus he's being unfair on himself, saying he's slightly biased, because he's hugely biased 😂😂

[@eL--RaL]

Pep is MILES clear of any Manager in history.. It's a disgrace they're even debating over this.. Fergi is nowhere close to him

[@kadiummusic]

Don't be a silly Billy. Do you not know what Brian Clough did with Nottingham Forest? If you don't go and have a look. Unequaled by any other manager and will never be done again.

[@eL--RaL]

@@kadiummusic English people are hilarious asf.. Can't ever accept reality of managers and players being better than theirs Pep is MILES clear! Your Brian Clough can't even touch him Pep changed football and won major trophies more than that Clough could ever dream of

[@Blaze26909]

@@eL--RaL i know fergie is miles ahead fraudiola couldnt even win a european cup with bayern let alone aberdeen 🤣, "Changed football"😂😂😂0 ball knowledge He copied cruyff style and failed when he cant cheat 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣cope in your call centre kiddo😂😂😂😂😂

[@malachifullerton3042]

How you work that out ? A man who takes over 3 of the already best winning richest powerhouse clubs at the time of taking them ? No credit in that ... What's easier to do ? Pick up a failing business and make it profitable Or Take over an already profitable business and keep it profitable ke

[@Blaze26909]

@@malachifullerton3042 facts that the delusional shortbus special likes to ignore🤣

[@el_gringo9211]

How were city riding high in 2016 they finished with 66 points and qualified for the ucl they had the oldest squad in the league his second season he had to get rid of the old guard sagna zabaleta kolarov clichy joe hart Fernando nasri jesus navas mangala but before he did that he had to put down his philosophy then bring in new players ederson walker mendy laporte bernado silva sane gundogan then do his thing.....this man united is just salty because they aint going back to where they were

[@MinisterManDan]

It’s so close. Pep is 100000x above Fergie as a tactician/strategy guy, but Fergie was still in my opinion the best ever at picking a player and knowing when to cut one loose.

[@BiggestBirdonMars]

Everytime pep send a player away that player usually struggles to reach the form at city And he still wins without him

[@MinisterManDan]

@@BiggestBirdonMars I think that’s why if you held a gun to my head I take Pep because I don’t think the gap between Fergie and him on roster management is as big as the gap between Pep and Fergie in tactics. But Fergie was willing to cut loose stars, and he was almost never wrong.

[@Epsilon04]

Pep is levels ahead of Fergie, he ran him out of town when he destroyed him in both those finals. No coincidence that Fergie was never the same after and retired only 2 years later. He was petrified City would appoint him in 2013 and knew he wouldn't be able to match him, so walked away whilst he had the chance.

[@chrisprud7688]

😂😂😂behave ffs

[@Blaze26909]

🤣🤣🤣🤣failed with bayern while the goat won a european cup with aberdeen🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@michaelelah8106]

​@Blaze26909 3 consecutive semi final loss was a failure?😅

[@handsolo1209]

@@Blaze26909 Ferguson won the CUP WINNERS CUP with Aberdeen. It is also the era where Aston Villa won the (actual) European Cup, and then never challenged for the league again.

[@Bambo699]

these 2 have this debate once a week

[@stevenjohnson7442]

Ahahahaha😆 So true.

[@lakesstan1917]

Pep's first job was Barcelona B and he got them promoted

[@daboy7354]

Ppl always forget about tht .

[@charlestonfloro2602]

And pep change Barcelona started with the b team and was elevated to first team and he brought a lot of the players he was coaching from the b team and change the team so stop giving out false info and do your facts check

[@shaheryarmallick6459]

Don't talk such facts mate. People don't like it. They think Pep was given a team at Barca and all he did was told them to do whatever they want to on the pitch and they won. It was that easy. They won't say that he promoted 13-15 players from Barca B when he took over. They won't say that he started around 8 players from the academy to win leagues, cups and 2 CL. But when Fergie got the talents from their Class of 92, then people say that he built the team as if those players were mediocre and he coached them to become better. Pep bringing La Masia players after players into the first team is looked at him being "lucky" to have a squad like that.

[@BiggestBirdonMars]

UCL 2011 final was the first UCL final i ever watched and it was the most entertaining football i had seen I just loved how much of a strangle hold they had on united that day The passing was so precise and smoth Since that day i knew i loved possession football It always leaves me dumbfounded when people say its boring cuz it doesnt give the opposition a chance when Thats beauty of it Its not easy to exert that level of control and dominance on a match

[@nishchaychauhan8814]

We can argue fergie left knowing that pep is arriving in the PL.. he stood no chance

[@saifchowdhury3581]

Sir Alex 3 UCL in 30+ years, Pep Guardiola 3 UCL in 16 years. That's the difference.

[@shaheryarmallick6459]

Fergie won 2 CL and not 3.

[@mikem8211]

Man U hadn't won the league for 26 years. Man City just signed half of Arsenal's starting XI & already won it twice ffs

[@louiespage]

when pep came to city it was a very old team and he had to completely re-build it and get in younger players who could play the way he wanted them to..........

[@gruber1650]

Fergie was on his way out at Utd till Mark Hughes took a swipe at that ball over his shoulder against Oldham, still don't think you should compare them.

[@mack983]

If you know football you know not any manager is winning what Man City have won last few years with the same team. He’s the difference.

[@TacitusKilgore165]

Also he's a major part of the reason why City have those players they're there because they wanna play for him.

[@mack983]

@@TacitusKilgore165 Not a city fan but there recruitment is different level.

[@TacitusKilgore165]

@mack983 Oh no question Txiki and Soriano have been invaluable to Guardiola throughout his career as a manager

[@luke7834]

Every time someone challenged SAF financial dominance he lost to them, Blackburn, Chelsea, City. The only manager that beat him without outspending him was Wenger. It's a bit of a daft debate anyway, they both achieved an incredible amount, the answer will come down to personal bias.

[@Rodney231]

Taking over a winning Team is a much harder proposition....when Pep leaves the manager that comes in trying to fill the void of Pep will be under tremendous pressure....to take a good Team and make them even is a much harder task than taking an average Team and making them good

[@alexalexalex797]

As far as influence. Its Guardiola. 1000% His style of play changed the entire football world. Fergie is a legendary manager but he didn’t re-invent the wheel.

[@handsolo1209]

Ferguson arrived in 1986, Man Utd's last title was in 1967, so how does that make it 25 years? Also, under Ron Atkinson, they won 2 FA cups, so it wasn't like they went trophyless for decades. Ferguson took 3 1/2 years to win his first FA cup, 6 1/2 to win the first title. It also coincided with the beginning of the PL, and Sky TV (who owned 10% of the club) made them the poster boys, giving them more TV money than anyone else. It is not cut and dried at all. Also, Aberdeen never won the European Cup. It was the Cup Winners Cup. A total lie to claim otherwise. Pep has won 12 titles, 3 CLs , 6 domestic cups and 4 league cups in 15 seasons of management. If the guy manages until he is 60, he will be miles ahead of anyone. Ferguson was a great manager, one of the best ever. Pep is the greatest the game has ever seen.

[@bluemoon1716]

Pep is a better tactician and fergie was a better man manager

[@spyentertainment]

If they give newcastle to Pep now and give Pep 3 seasons, he will win the premier league with them. It took nine years for Fergie to win anything. But he already said he will be biased before talking

[@sahandsamavti3682]

Most influential doesn't necessarily mean being the best

[@lukehandley7930]

Their different managers at different times in football but i think the real tie-breaker to split these two legends is the fact pep guardiola made SAF's man united side between 2009-2011 twice look like stoke city in 2 UCL finals where lets be real united didn't get near barcelona but i think the most telling argument is pep's influence on football everywhere up and down the country wether your in chorley or carlisle people are inspired and are playing CB's at full back and are playing the inverted full backs into midfield this is because of pep guardiola he's inspired a generation not just in catalonia but all over the world and i mean no disrespect but SAF just didn't have that aura that transcended the sport people in lonely obscure parts of the world nobody 20 years ago was talking about SAF tactics or his new invented positions i think therefore this is the biggest complement and legacy of guardiola and why in my opinion he's the premier league's greatest coach/manager

[@jamjam2833]

Ferguson wasn’t a coach😂he was a great manager. Pep is a fantastic coach.

[@danybayor]

Goldstien usually talks a load of biased nonsense, but he is bang on the money with this one.

[@artminusme]

Pep matched 3 in a row & the treble United did (WITH A WORLD CUP IN BETWEEN WHICH EVERYONE FORGETS!) 100+ centurion season win which no ones done in the league and the 4 in a row which also no one else has ever done Outside of City Pep dominated La Liga & Bundesliga, Sir Alex stayed in Scotland and England C’mon guys Pep > Sir Alex “bUt aBeErDeen!.” guys Pep also beat Sir Alex in his prime in 2 finals “bUt mEsSi.” weak argument bro, with that you can say but Ronaldo but Tevez but Rooney, Pep > everybody

[@user-xc7nr4we7k]

Perform a social experiment to settle this: Show a non-football follower (but someone who least knows basics of the game obviously!) best plays of both manager, Pep's team and Fergie's team. Ask them which one is visually better and pleasant. If that person says its Fergie's team, then recommend an optician 🤷‍♂

[@markwjwwhufc1244]

Fergie didnt change football, pep has changed english football, almost every prem team now attempts to play his style of football!

[@platnumj]

Didn't Moyes take over a ManUnited team that just won the league the season before?? Didnt Chelsea win the league the same season Pep came with Conte I think?? so why didnt following managers kick on?? Didnt Leicester win the league the year before Pep arrived?? where are they now?? lol The argument he took over a team that recently won the league is a moot point to me.

[@rrjgpl]

I don’t know why people always forget that Pep managed Barca B and got them promoted in the lower divisions. That’s how he earned that Barca job. Maybe because it conveniently does not fit their narrative.

[@cmac4657]

So Goldstein says Fergie better for taking an average team to winners rather than pep having it already. However when Klopp takes an average team winners and to the title after 30 years it's not a thing. Absolute melon

[@shaunjenkinson5089]

Pep obviously. Innovator like no other

[@lonelyboy1977]

LOL!!! By innovator, you mean Guardiola is simply following the blueprint laid out by Rinus Michels in the 1970s. It's hilarious how people are trying to re-write history. If not for the influence Rinus Michels had when he became the manager of Barcelona in the 70s and instilled his philosophy into the club's DNA, Pep would not be the coach he is today.

[@shaunjenkinson5089]

@@lonelyboy1977 Michels managed in a far different time. And Barcelona were a wilderness team for years after he left. Didn’t win the league for over a decade

[@lonelyboy1977]

@@shaunjenkinson5089 Exactly! Rinus Michels managed during an era where there were *LOTS* of other great coaches working all over Europe, unlike Guardiola whose competition has mostly been average coaches (who are overhyped by the media, like Thomas Tuchel). Which modern day coaches that Pep has faced during his coaching career are on the same level as people like: Ernst Happel, Valeriy Lobanovskyi, Leo Beenhakker, Vaclav Jezek, Stefan Kovacs, Tomislav Ivic, Bill Shankly, Udo Lattek, Bob Paisley, Helenio Herrera, Brian Clough etc.?

[@JTB-di8yj]

You forgot about Jose at.Chelsea, hadn't won the league in 60 years 😳

[@finbarrcorcoran9342]

Pep put the best club side in history together.

[@raymondbutler834]

No mention of the Miracles Fergie worked with Aberdeen which would be the equivalent of modern day Tottenham, Aston Villa or Brighton winning multiple Premier Leagues or a Champions League. Pep can win whatever he wants at Man City but his overall achievements will ultimately NEVER be as impressive as Fergie's. For those who think Pep is a better manager than Fergie better pray that City crumble whenever Pep leaves them otherwise they haven't got a leg to stand on in this debate.

[@rhino_twozero326]

Could he do what Arteta did?? Benty 😂😂😂😂😂

[@batman1980]

This debate has the potential to be like Messi v Ronaldo.....only people who don't understand football or biased Utd/Real fans go for Ronaldo.

[@BiggestBirdonMars]

If you built the best squad you could ever assemble and find a coach to win you everything you're picking pep cuz he has proven he can take good players and make them world class And not just world class , he'll make them world beaters Pep is just all around better coach than fergie And peoople will try to discredit his time at Barcelona with the fact he had top players but he made those players as good as they were That was a squad trophyless for 2 seasons and he came in and convinced xavi who wasnt anyhwere revered as he is now back then to stay He brought in busquets even tho people thought he wasnt a good enough Made messi an absolute menace Elevated the most beautiful style of football to watch while delivering trophies And that was his first professional job as a coach and coaching barca aint no easy fit Yet he won every tophy available in his first season No coach is ever do that ina club of that stature He made Fergie lose his mind on the touchline Since Pep has been coaching he's only not won the league 3 times Thats insane bro Every side that pep has coach has been insanely dominant and thats no coincidence City were a mediocre side in europe till pep made them favourites I could be here all day listing his accomplishments and i still wouldnt be done When it comes to winning,knowing the game Improving players,his man management is also very underrated cuz hes not pumping his fist like jurgen klopp people dont see it but the way the city players talk about him you'd know he really treats them well And his career is relatively young compared to the greats of coaching hes compared to so he's still learning new things and if uou follow city you would see it

[@johnwoolveridge699]

Fergie was the last great Football Manager there will never be another like him but I think clubs have realized that giving one man all the power at the club isn't the best recipe for continued success look at what has happened to united. In terms of coaching I think Pep is probably the best ever but the game is in a constant state of flux. The demands on a manager/coach shift constantly its hard to quantify who is best I mean how to compare clough with Klopp Busby with Ancelotti.

[@andyhello23]

Without non lethal weapons both have used to win, neither of these managers would of been what you remember

[@andreassilver6281]

Pep's never had a challenge, he managed the best team ever and the best player ever and dominated, when any manager would have. Luis Enrique had managed 82 senior games before joining Barca but once he joined Barca he won the treble in his first season with a worse team than what Pep had...Enrique also had a 4% higher win rate than Pep did whilst managing Barcelona and managed only 70 games less than Pep... He then went to Bayern who win the league as a given almost every year and didn't win the Champions League... And then to City who were already the best team in the league with unlimited money...who were winning leagues before he came with the best squad and who had been continually developing their squad since 2008... Pep's a great manager but he isn't on Fergies level... I would argue Klopp is a better manager than Pep what he turned Liverpool into is a bigger achievement than what Pep has done with City. Jose won the CL with Porto the treble with Inter... Other managers have done way more with much less.

[@sirbarrie9175]

Bent is thick. Andy's right for once!!

[@terryomara9403]

Wenger changed football far more than anyone klopp and then Pep took it up again great managers all its been really interesting i watch xavi messi era at the nou camp they were unbelievable

[@handsolo1209]

Yes, the original financial doper. Managed moneybags Monaco, then had Danny Fizman's diamond money to buy Henry, Vieira, Pires, etc. He did not see it, of course! I guess when you win a massive 3 titles in 22 seasons, that makes you a game changer...

[@debopamchatterjee501]

Hope doesn't that long at city, or man utd would be only for history book pages

[@nanakwameamoah2555]

I don't know why they are only using the premier league to count pep league titles. he has won 12 league titles already. Fergie is no near close Pep even if Pep retires today

[@SHEK110]

For once i actually think Goldstein has a point

[@hongkongner2026]

Did Fergie's coaching and playing style lead other football teams to follow his playing style whereas Pep's tactics and playing style have been copied by other teams in the world? - the most crucial question that Pep's doubters have to ask themselves

[@kadiummusic]

Stupid argument as they worked in totally different times, Arsene Wenger changed English football more than Fergie or Pep and neither of them is an Invincible, and what Brian Clough did with Nottingham Forest is unequaled by anyone.

[@handsolo1209]

Wenger lost 3/4 trophies in his "invincible" season, so LOL, and he changed English football more than Pep? When did this happen?

[@michaelthompson7022]

I'm a Gooner the only thing Wenger changed was the way players trained and their diet these things were already happening in Europe pep changed the way teams looked at the game on the pitch

[@RomeoKambouCAN98]

You’re saying Fergi built the team before getting success but the thing is nowadays you don’t get this king of time to build a team

[@handsolo1209]

Ferguson's first trophy winning teams at United were a mix of the old Atkinson players and his own. The first real Ferguson team was after Robson had gone.

[@melusishange3471]

Treble is 7 years.. 4 -in-a -row in 7 years.

[@firesi]

Love these arguments, Pep took over a machine but everyone can't wait for him to go.

[@srockerboy1]

“Not in my Lifetime “

[@jamesgibson3598]

People in and around utd always say fergie was never around training..it was the likes of Brian Kidd ..Steve McClaren and Carlos Quiros fergie was more hands on at match day ..

[@paultaylor9498]

No he didnt Venger was playing a great style of football long before pep came on the scene. So was fergerson

[@Azzi196]

He changed the premier league, not football

[@asc4135]

I like jose but pep is better than saf....if saf , pep , jose had coached 3 top clubs in the premier league at the same time for same period i don't think anyone would today here about saf.

[@JulioTr95]

lol bro this guy has the nerve to mention Arteta in the same sentence than pep

[@Lovelydropp]

Well Goldstein has the nerve to claim fergie is better than pep😂

[@platnumj]

You can split it down the middle and say SAF was the better manager but Pep was more influential. If that makes sense lol. That way all the fan boys get a piece of the "goat" pie and it's a stance most neutrals can live with. lol win win

[@platnumj]

Also, Peps first job was Barca B/kids team NOT the first team.

[@Cedisdead]

Peps first job was Barca B, these guys are clowns

[@Ernest_Thesiger]

Pep shouldn't be regarded as the best manager in the world or the best manager ever until he overachieves at a club. Given the tools he's been handed, there's no way you can say Pep has overachieved at any of the clubs he's managed! What has Pep done that compares to what Fergie did at Aberdeen or what he did at United between 2006-11? People go on about City winning four titles in a row but United would've won five titles in a row but for an offside goal for Chelsea. United also got to three CL finals in four seasons with some squad players who wouldn't look out of place at Rotherham! Pep is clearly a great manager but let's see what he can do when he hasn't been given the best squad of players in world football!

[@handsolo1209]

Yeah, Ferguson at Man Utd breaking the transfer record a dozen times, outspending every other club in the league 10 fold. What an underachiever!!!!!!

[@paulmclaughlin8038]

Aberdeen and Manchester United were not winning prior to Fergie, or after Fergie. Can Pep say the same about his teams?

[@michaelthompson7022]

Well barca have won after he left so did bayern and who won the games in the champions league's finals between pep.and fergie

[@nhlakaniphomkhize108]

Yes he can

[@eL--RaL]

Yeah he spent like hell in those 2 teams..Stop acting like he spent £100, 000 in his career 😂

[@nhlakaniphomkhize108]

@@eL--RaL so did Fergie at united

[@michaelthompson7022]

@@eL--RaL messi iniesta xavi cost nothing

[@bossbod3163]

For me football back in the day was much more header ! I had tougher players better players, and it was more physical! I sir Alex is better! I but I do like pep top manger

[@eL--RaL]

Pep MILES clear

[@bluemoon1716]

Fergie didn't have to deal with VAR or ffp

[@charlestonfloro2602]

Pep head to head against furgason

[@snookerstones]

Fergie didn’t even take training sessions lol

[@gregwilson7540]

Pep’ ripped Cruyff off!

[@Blaze26909]

facts

[@dman9152]

Sir alex would still be mr ferguson in this era.

[@njoythecollapse]

Pep needs to be made a Sir if Ferguson deserved it, Pep deserves it four times more.

[@melusishange3471]

Fergie stayed 27 years in Man United..

[@lonelyboy1977]

LOL!!! English pundits and their hyperbole. Guardiola didn't change football, he's simply following the blueprint laid out by Rinus Michels.

[@cryogenixoldskool5803]

Johan Cryuff changed football, everything Pep does comes from Cryuff

[@Photosoflife]

@cryogenixoldskool5803 That’s how life works in general. Original ideas are adapted and made into something new. Which then evolves and becomes something new. And on and on and on.

[@eL--RaL]

And everything Fergi won came from Sky Sports money and PMGOL

[@MCFCTheMadHatter]

But most of what Cryuff learned came from Michels…

[@larnx1692]

Pep destroyed our beautiful game, should be locked up

[@paulmclaughlin8038]

Pep takes over readymades, and signs readymades. Love to see him take on a real challenge.

[@handsolo1209]

Exactly!!! Sane was the best in the world for a decade when Pep signed him, Ederson too! Akanji and Ake were the best in the world, easily better than VVD and Maldini! Alvarez and Gabriel Jesus were better than Pele, Maradona, Messi already. Ortega was probably the first billion dollar GK. Gundogan cost 100000000000000000000 dollars and my goodness, Zinchenko had 1000 ballon d'ors before Pep got hold of him! Rico Lewis, I mean, how they spent 1 trillion dollars to steal him from Barcelona, Madrid, Chelsea and Utd's academy was disgusting! Foden? Not as good as Saka anyway. KDB? Nah, Gerrard and Scholes miles better. A ginger fraud! Bernardo Silva? Have you guys seen Bruno? Pep ONLY signs ready mades. Let's see him take on a real challenge like win something with Chelsea or United's 1b dollar squads!

[@vibereceptor6675]

Fergie out-spent every other club for over a decade

[@youngen_1239]

Yeah pep changed football and made it boring to watch with 500 passes YAWNNNN

[@lukehandley7930]

Only cuz rival fans know nobody can get near his teams in their prime

[@bowbutter7608]

The man United & Arsenal show

[@legendaltair2733]

Pep is the best. He made this league a farmers league.. All pundits now say that if some other manager needs to win a league then pep has to leave.. Wenger has gone toe to toe with fergie for 7 years.

[@bossbod3163]

Pep couldn’t do it Munich?

[@Fmfcg]

He broke basically every record there was at Bayern

[@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON.]

@@FmfcgYh but he took over a treble winning side. Not disputing league dominance cause he was unreal there. But not winning a UCL there is a knock against him

[@Fmfcg]

@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON. Only 3 managers in their history had one the European cup until that point it's not like they're expecting to win

[@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON.]

@@Fmfcg it’s the fine margins at the level we’re talking about. I have to nitpick at this level. He should’ve at least got to the final in 2016

[@eL--RaL]

​@@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON.Fergi couldn't lace his boots

[@mohammedaj08]

pep was not gifted the side of players he had in barcelona , he got rid of many great players there and got players from the academy and developed them. the greatest barcelona team of the guardiola era was built by him from the ground up.

[@jamiebishop2928]

He took over barca with xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Toure...oh yeah and some guy called Messi 😂

[@MrBillyboyroge]

Where do you think Ferguson got Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Neville, Neville & Butt from?!

[@jamiebishop2928]

@@MrBillyboyroge thr comment I've replied to stated that Pep took over with nothing and built the entire barca team from scratch. Never mentioned the class of 92. Keep up chief. I can explain it to you but I can't undertand it for you 😂

[@Rmc_______01]

They should call it the 115 approach. A system of financial doping that gets you better players than everyone else

[@ivanbravo4536]

🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂

[@bluemoon1716]

The charges were only up until 2018. Pep was barely there

[@federalgaming267]

Put a pep team agianst a fergie team in a league format, peps team would wipe a**. Obviously football has evolutionised but was watching a game of united of 2007/08 vs everton, there was no structure and mostly hoofball.

[@docholiday-lm4vf]

He literally copied cruyff. How can they not know this. Even pep says it

[@matthewsheridan9399]

Paisley won a lot in 9 years why doesn’t he ever get a mention

[@handsolo1209]

Firstly, since the PL was formed, a lot of old records get ignored, and as good as Paisley was, Ferguson and Guardiola are the 2 managers who have dominated the PL (19 titles between the two (and add 6 more if you count what Guardiola did in Spain and Germany). Paisley's record is up there, but Pep and Alex are the only two to win the treble, so direct comparisons can be made.

[@jimbo1480]

Pep is a great manager as long as he has 1 billion to spend, inherits world class players or part of a club that breaks 115 rules.

[@stevenjohnson7442]

Pep,spend the least among of money over the last couple of years compared to the big 5/6.... FACT! The charges, they haven't been found guilty of anything!! So let's just wait and see.

[@jimbo1480]

@stevenjohnson7442 you are changing the time period to suit your narrative that pep hasn't spent the most. Obviously you need to factor in the entire time he has been at man city, you can't just ignore the first few years. That's plain ridiculous and idiotic way of thinking.

[@eL--RaL]

​@@jimbo1480Pep is MILES clear of Fergi.. it's not even up for a debate Fergi spent like hell if you compare it to this era He even had Sky Sports money and spies in PGMOL

[@stevenjohnson7442]

​@@jimbo1480pep has spent the least amount of money compared to the top 5/6...FACT! As for charges,they haven't even been found guilty and you're behaving as if they have. Unbelievable!

[@ainthubertsvlog610]

​@@stevenjohnson7442 you can't argue with a fool just chil mate