5 Times Survivor Winners Made Bad Moves That Didn’t Backfire

[@supermish8912]

Tyson saying “your seat is over there one of those” is so wild 😂

[@gameharmony8775]

I see Peridiam video - I watch peridiam video

[@TheLoserface45]

Yah, I don’t even know what the video is yet. I saw that it was just posted and I clicked.

[@pleasestop5164]

Only if it’s a survivor video 😬

[@LynarMatal]

I agree

[@Captain_Subpar]

Chris Underwood made the lowkey bad move of being voted out. Thankfully, it didn't backfire and he was still able to win the game! /s

[@C_white8]

Whose Chris? I think there was a Chip on that season.

[@corksauls9403]

He still played that very poorly. David and Devens wanted to blindside Wentworth and told him very clearly not to inform WarDog. When he does what he wasn’t supposed to do that’s when the tide shifts against him. I consider that the worst round of gameplay for a winner since it’s the only time it led to one being voted out

[@ashen_roses]

The sad thing is I bet a few commenters here agree

[@Khaleslie]

I don't see how choosing to get voted out and spend the entire game bonding with the jury before coming back is a bad move.

[@LM11116]

@@Khaleslie He didn't "choose" to get voted out lol. The players didn't even know what the Edge of Extinction was or that there'd be a chance to re-enter the game at that time. It ended up working out that he could bond with the jury but it was still awful to get voted out.

[@kimclaussen9413]

"He made Randy look like an idiot on national television." - ohhh, I think Randy did that to himself plenty of times before that episode, but your point is still valid. 😂😂

[@SmoothCriminal12]

Going back to Malcolm on Philippines, he made a huge mistake at final 5 by letting his idol expire instead of saving Abi and idoling Denise out. Even if he still loses final 4 immunity, Abi would've gladly tied up the votes to give him a shot at final 3.

[@XanderMatthews-nv9zf]

I don’t think there’s a chance that Abi would tie that vote in my opinion. She is a massively self interested player and it wouldn’t shock me if she came out swinging at final tribal council just for the chance to at least get 2nd

[@SmoothCriminal12]

@@XanderMatthews-nv9zf Considering how much Abi hated Lisa and especially Skupin, it's not at all implausible she'd help Malcolm get to the end, especially if he saves her at final 5.

[@randyw617]

Kim made a horrible move in One World where she didn't take Kat on that reward, leaving Kat to stew back at camp and poison the tribe against her and nearly costing Kim the hahahaha I couldn't even make it through that comment with a straight face. Kim was never in the remotest danger in One World.

[@aleczavala5010]

The only real competition she would’ve had was Colton if he hadn’t been evacuated, but even then he wouldn’t have been a threat to win, just a decent sized obstacle.

[@Ramboost007]

You had me at the first half not gonna lie

[@NYChica23]

@@aleczavala5010 Let's not throw Troyzan under the bus there, because he did try to get Kim, but can't do much when no one else realizes that keeping her is a stupid idea

[@princessleyley9166]

I agree with all these takes except Earl. Earl even said in the video himself that going with Boo would be the better option. Unfortunately, he just didn’t have the numbers. 1) Yau-Man didn’t have the hindsight that Dreamz would betray him, so he was keeping him around until final 4 no matter what. 2) Cassandra knew Dreamz was her best option to win the game (as everyone thought it would be a final 2). No way she was going to vote him out ever. 3) Dreamz ain’t Tyson, he’s not going to vote himself out 🤣. With all that in mind, it’s a bit unfair to say this was a bad move for Earl. His hands were tied.

[@DylanDickson2]

"1) Yau-Man didn’t have the hindsight that Dreamz would betray him, so he was keeping him around until final 4 no matter what." Idk we literally saw Yau-man ask Earl in this video if he thought Dreamz was serious about giving him immunity at the final 4, 12:26. Yau-Man says if he and Earl think Dreamz is not being serious that they should just vote him out right now at final 5. I think that means Earl can swing it whatever way he wants.

[@antoineharris2176]

Another issue is that Boo wouldn't have been a better option for Earl. There was no way Boo is taking Earl to a final 2. If they voted out Dreamz at 5, then either Earl or Yau Man are going at 4 and to be honest its probably Earl because Boo at least liked Yau Man and thought he deserved to win. Earl never trusted Boo even for a second.

[@antoineharris2176]

@@DylanDickson2 The mistake Boo made was promising BOTH Earl AND Yau Man that he'd take them to the final 2. You can't promise two people who are close that you'd take them both to the final 2. They're gonna compare notes and know you are lying to one of them. That's why they ultimately voted Boo out.

[@DylanDickson2]

@@antoineharris2176 Well said :) I think you're dead on

[@princessleyley9166]

@@DylanDickson2 Oh I see. I had the video on in the background and didn’t fully understand what Yau was saying. Seeing that Yau said he was willing to cut Dreamz, Earl could’ve played this round better by planting more seeds of doubt in Yau’s mind. However, once Yau found out about Boo’s pitches to him and Earl, he was sticking to Dreamz and their deal as in his mind, that was a safer bet. Backfired horribly, but he knew Boo was lying to either him or Earl, and he didn’t think Dreamz was lying to him.

[@feasible]

I think people often overlook how big a factor luck is in any competition. I think about this often in sports, but it applies here too. You can do everything right but things outside your control go against you, or, as in this case, you can make mistakes but things work out in spite of them.

[@jasondw2281]

Thank you for posting! Just got done binge watching your channel again a few days ago and was left with an empty feeling in my heart when it was over.

[@Julian-lz5pd]

I remember a time on Facebook where Artis was talking about how Denise beats Malcolm at FTC handily due to her storyline and better social game, and so many people started fighting him over it

[@Mendejito]

Lmao survivor fans are crazy sometimes

[@aleczavala5010]

@@MendejitoIKR! As if the people watching an edited version of the show know better than a guy who was actually there!

[@NYChica23]

@@aleczavala5010 Keep in mind we are talking about the same people who thought Adam only won MvGX because of a sob story, despite the jury themselves confirming that their minds were made up on voting Adam even before they knew about his mom

[@highheartwellness]

Great video! I'm sure you can do another video or two on this topic! A big blunder that sticks out for me is when Jenna M spilled all the beans about her tribe to Dave during the "youngest member" overnight meetup. In so many seasons, revealing info to that degree is usually part of someone's downfall and considered bad gameplay

[@NYChica23]

Although to be fair, we are talking about a season where voting blocks and jumping between alliances was unheard of until Rob Cesternino did it, so no one really knew how stupid it would be to spill that level of information

[@Ori_Kohav]

In Todd’s defense, he couldn’t be too reliant on James finding the Zhan Hu idol. Him tipping James for another idol would mean nothing if anyone from Zhan Hu had already found it, and there was a good chance they did, since Zhan Hu had already won a reward challenge (specifically on episode 3, that boat brawl), so in that case, James would be defenseless without the idol Todd gave him.

[@zachnolan1639]

To be fair to Todd, him not having the idol also lowered his threat level in the eyes of Amanda who had he had the idol could’ve been at risk of being blindsided by her.

[@Minkeyman42069]

If the JT HVV move worked out he would have a pretty good shot at winning the game… If JT was the first two time winner and then never played again he would be considered at LEAST a top 3 player

[@NYChica23]

I think people are a little hard on JT because they don't realize how easy it would be to jump to the same conclusions he did if we only had the limited information he had to go off of, because is it really that stupid to assume that Parvati would try the same strategy a second time that got her the win once already, especially when every single vote supports the theory of a girls alliance?

[@GamingFanactic911]

I will never stop laughing Randy getting blindsided in Gabon. Watching all the reactions try to hold in the laughter was golden. haha

[@XanderMatthews-nv9zf]

The other dumb move at the final 6 of BvW is Hayden, Katie, and Ciera’s decision to vote for Monica to force Tyson to draw a rock. I feel like Monica would have been way more likely to flip to avoid rocks since if Tyson flips all he’d have to do is win a handful of immunity challenges

[@ashen_roses]

He'd win the ICs... but not the Redemption Island duels... ok

[@nebulous798]

Why are people always forgetting that Tyson is really good at challenges?

[@simplebutpowerful]

Did they know Tyson had an idol? If so, that explains their choice to target Monica

[@XanderMatthews-nv9zf]

@simplebutpowerful Yes but if Tyson plays his idol they are screwed regardless since his entire alliance would be safe in case of deadlock.

[@felixvecchiarelli6458]

JT's move was the right move with what Intel he had. It was bad Intel, but he didn't know that. Had the Intel been good, we would still be talking about the amazing move JT made to likely win HvV.

[@christophersholes1377]

100% agree. He was certain Russel was on his way out in an all women alliance. He was the number they needed to take down the Villains tribe after merge. With what he thought he knew, it was an amazing move. He really should have paid attention to the fact that Russel was an unknown (as his season hasn't aired) and on the Villain tribe a bit more though. The move is obviously too risky in hindsight, but could have one the biggest strategy wins of all time if it panned out.

[@ashen_roses]

"If he made a good move he'd have won so even though it was bad it was good." Yeah. No. Y'all never use this logic for anyone else. Don't deny it. I know you'd be lying. If James didn't have to play one of his idols when he left he would have been a great player so I declare he's actually great for being voted out because it would have been good. See? I win!

[@janejones7638]

You're videos are a Masterclass in watching current Survivor.

[@AlexH274]

Peridiam, how can you put full blame on Earl for the Boo vote? Who would be the 3rd to vote Dreamz? Yau Man wants Dreamz at final 4 because of the deal, and Casandra is ride or die with Dreamz. The votes just aren't there.

[@roger_towny_jr]

Tony in Winners at War also made a move that almost torpedoed his game in the Final 5. Tony, at this point, wanted Michelle out, but if Michelle does go home in this round he's in a much worse situation at the final 4. Assuming Natalie still goes on to win final 4 immunity, but with Michelle gone, she's taking Sarah with her to the end instead, which means Tony is making fire against Ben, which he is going to get DESTROYED at. And then in a final three between Sarah Nat and Ben, Sarah probably wins. So yeah, Sarah's desire to make a move against Tony actually screwed her own game over, and was Tony's saving grace.

[@boomz2526]

I think Ben throws fire making to Tony. He knew the jury wouldn't respect him and wanted to help one of Tony or Sarah win the game. Even if he doesn't, it's still smarter to go for 2/3 people taking you to FTC if they win final immunity instead of 1/3. Tony didn't think he would win fire against anyone, so it made a lot more sense for him to maximize a scenario where he doesn't have to make fire

[@roger_towny_jr]

@@boomz2526 But he was more in favor of Sarah winning than Tony. If he knows that beating Tony at fire helps Sarah win, he's gonna do it.

[@mikenadj.j4355]

He has explained this. Sarah voting Ben out did work out perfectly in this scenario as Ben would have destroyed him in fire if Natalie still won immunity that round. It’s very easy to say this was a bad move in hindsight because Natalie won final immunity. He didn’t want to vote out Ben because of the pact he made and his personal relationship with him. If Michele is out and Ben is there, he has a 3/4 chance of being guaranteed to be in the final 3. He could win the challenge, Sarah would take him if she won, and Ben would take out Natalie himself if he won. That alliance would never voluntarily take each other or turn on each other except when Ben gives her permission. The math makes sense, if Michele is there he has a 50-50 shot of being in fire no matter what. It just happened to work as Natalie win immunity but those are the risks in the game that you can’t control sometimes. You have to remember that Natalie and Michele also voted out Ben who could have taken out Tony at fire if they won the last challenge. They just were terrified of going against him in fire if they don’t win. Natalie you can say in hindsight should have wanted out Michele given she wins the next challenge and could of have used Ben to take out Tony. This is all in hindsight, everybody’s decision in Final 5 makes sense for their game even though some of them could of went left instead of right and it would’ve turned out different. You can’t predict the future and people are not accounting for this when they talk about this round.

[@roger_towny_jr]

@mikenadj.j4355 I understand the logic behind his move. But the fact of the matter is neither Ben or Sarah had won a single immunity challenge up to that point. Banking on either he winning and endurance challenge against Natalie OR on one of them winning AND them taking him to the end over the first boot when he is clearly the top dog to win the whole game AND that Ben is closer to Sarah than he is with him so... Yeah taking out the biggest obstacle in the fire challenge was the optimal move at that point.

[@bencalebrod]

Completely disagree with Tyson's not playing the idol being outright bad, as 1) It was highly unlikely from his perspective that Ciera was flipping in the first place. She'd have to risk a 1 in 3 chance of being instantly eliminated just for a 1 in 3 chance of improving her position. No player since rocks were instituted 23 seasons ago was willing to take that kind of gamble. 2) With the way idol clues were given that season, if Tyson played his idol ANY of Hayden/Tina/Laura M. would've given their idol clue to Katie or Ciera and Tyson is probably idoled out the next round, especially if Ciera still wins immunity. Tyson needed that idol not to reenter circulation, and 3) By not playing his idol Tyson has a 2 in 3 shot of a VERY secure winning position, and given the 1 in 3 chance still gives him the safety net of Redemption Island and the aforementioned risk of an idol being played against him otherwise he hedged his bets the right way, especially given his challenge ability.

[@kangalotto]

But if tyson has any doubts about Ciera then he should play it on either him or Monica and it becomes impossible for any of his 3 to go home. Gervase has immunity so he doesn't draw. So if he plays the idol on Monica then Hayden goes home. If he plays the idol on himself then he is immune from Rocks and Monica is also as she was part of the tie. Then only Katie and Ciera would have to draw. In that case if Ciera is as smart as people think, she flips her vote on the revote back to Tysons side. It was zero risk if he played it, but a 33% chance of being rocked out if he didnt

[@NYChica23]

Only problem with point 3 is that it's not a for sure thing that Tyson wins the final duel to come back in the game, because while he is a strong challenge threat, the final duel was an endurance one, and in case anyone forgot how Australia went, Tina lasted 10 hours (yes, you read that right) in the endurance immunity then before throwing it to Keith, who was in more danger than she was, so she could very well have beaten Tyson in that duel, and he'd be screwed out of luck

[@jenna_soup]

Wouldn’t Tyson have to play his idol before the votes are read the first time? Do we think he would’ve suspected the rock draw that early on (just speculating)

[@TransparentEclipse]

The Fiji scenario is much more complicated than that because of the day 1 alliances that were made, there was absolutely no way earl wasn’t getting to the end of the game, the literal only person who wasn’t taking him to a final 2 was dreamz and even dreamz wasn’t sure. Cassandra has said post show she would’ve cut dreamz had he given up that necklace and of course yau takes earl. That’s why yau tries to take out Cassandra instead of earl at the final 4, because he knew Cassandra was never going to vote for earl and dreamz probably wouldn’t either. He had basically already won the game by the final 7, so it wasn’t that big of a deal that he cut boo at 5. Was it the best move? Maybe not. But by doing so he went from a 100% chance to win, to a 95% chance or so. So meh in terms of bad moves

[@nateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee4]

we don’t talk about h vs v jt around these parts

[@petern326]

He was playing w house money

[@teamsteed1]

​@@petern326Yep and it backfired on him.

[@nooby2907]

the cutoff at the start was crazy

[@aleczavala5010]

I’ve mentioned this in another Survivor channel, but Vecepia targeting Neleh at F4. She really lucked out when Paschal drew the purple rock because there’s no way she wins or even makes it to the end if anyone else does. Here’s what happens: Kathy draws the purple rock: Vee goes to F3 with an unbreakable duo and her only chance of getting to the end is winning immunity. Neleh draws the purple rock: Vee loses the only person she beats at FTC, so it really doesn’t matter if Kathy or Paschal decide to bring Vee to the end, because she loses to both by a landslide.

[@demonbadger86]

"That's your chair over there - one of those."

[@corksauls9403]

Some other poor moves by winners: -Mike’s F9. He knew Rodney and the alliance were turning on him but Backing out of the loved ones letter at the auction was a terrible look, and choosing to confront him while they were being read only solidified his standing on the bottom -Wendell giving up his loved ones visit. He pisses off half the remaining players (all women) to get an advantage for a challenge he didn’t even win. Had Domenick not gotten too cocky with his final tribal speech this move would probably be cited as a major reason why he could have lost Chris getting voted out-the original plan was for David and Devens to blindside Wentworth, and they told Chris not to tell WarDog. What does he do? He tells WarDog who flips the target onto him and the lack of trust from Chris caused David and Devens to go along with it. If not for the edge he’s remembered as a pre merge boot who created his own demise Dee at f5-Julie was considered a threat and yet Dee was so unwilling to vote for her despite being the biggest jury threat remaining. Though I can kinda give this a pass since even if Dee does vote Julie there could still be a tie between the two of them, with katurah and Jake having the advantage in a revote to get Dee out. The only way she survives is if katurah backs out which is what we got anyway, but Dee still doesn’t do what’s in her best interest here

[@lizfinkelstein1323]

Todd was such a crafty little munchkin.

[@iconicsurvivormoments]

That whole Todd move would’ve been very epic tho if it had worked. Shame we never got to see James use either of the idols

[@ajl9772]

Jenna giving the immunity necklace to Heidi in the Amazon.

[@NYChica23]

That wasn't a dumb move, because Jenna was intentionally forcing Rob's hand with that move to give him no option but to follow through on his plan to vote Christy out

[@bisexualizukumidoriya]

tbh i also was brimming with glee watching randy play that fake idol only to be humiliated. just can't bring myself to feel sorry for him on that front.

[@Nate9-9]

0:25 the winner of a season is rarely flawless, but I would argue they are the best player of the season and the most deserving. If there is a better player of a given season, they should be able to recognize the threat and get tgem out before FTC. As for most deserving. The jury is always objectively right in voting for one of the final 2 or 3 that make it to FTC. It doesn’t matter if we as the jury likes how the winner got to the end. If they have the jury management to get the votes that means they outplayed the player who was supposedly the best or most deserving player. This doesn’t mean the other players aren’t deserving. The way the winner made it to the end and how they worked the jury worked. Like it or not.

[@TheBorilla92]

The earl one has an asterisk because there was apparently a deal between the black players for all black final

[@Ori_Kohav]

Bob’s fake idol move makes his ftc speech look even worse, when he tried to paint himself as an angel. One of the fakest winners on the show

[@ThexJohnxSmithxShow]

With Tyson’s move you forgot to mention how it also didn’t even matter if he played his idol on himself or Monica. If he played it on the right one of the two of them Hayden is fooled out. If he’s wrong there is still a 3-3 tie except no one from his alliance draws a rock and it’s either Katie or Ciera. He truly was in a no lose scenario

[@petern326]

Marryanne revealing her advantages had me screaming at the tv

[@craigresendes2403]

Part of me thinks Tyson playing his idol would have actually screwed him more, and it’s crazy to think. It depends on who comes back in the game. If Tyson plays his idol on Monica, then Hayden gets idoled out. I think Tina actually loses the redemption duel, since the Jail Break challenge is a little bit strategic/carnival gamey, and Hayden probably could do well (it’s also been a challenge on Big Brother before). Ciera still wins immunity and I doubt Monica flips, so Katie goes. Laura beat Hayden in the last redemption duel so it comes down to Katie vs. Laura. Now if I remember correctly, Laura had ACL surgery in the past, so she was eventually going to give out, and Katie was decent at endurance. So it’s possible that Katie makes it further. Here’s how it probably plays out: Katie wins the duel, she just takes Tina’s spot as 4th place. Tyson doesn’t need to save Gervase with the idol because Monica won’t flip to work with Katie and Ciera (she didn’t have any bond with them from what I remember). Tyson still wins. Laura wins, now this time Laura and Ciera are together at the final 5. It’s hard to speculate who wins those last two challenges, but Laura potentially could win the Final 5 immunity, and with Tyson most likely not having an idol, there’s a world where Monica flips to Laura and Ciera here since Tyson’s wide-open. If Tyson wins immunity still, the flip is still likely especially if Tyson doesn’t have an idol to leverage, but then again Monica knows she’s fucked if Tyson wins at 4 (and Tyson probably knows he wins if both Laura and Ciera are in the Final 3 with him together because then those votes get split). With how much of a challenge beast Laura was, it is definitely possible that Tyson playing his idol would have caused him trouble. It comes down to if Laura can outlast Katie in the last redemption challenge, and if Laura can beat Tyson in the Final 5 immunity challenge. Also, if Tyson idols himself at 6, like everyone thinks he should, then Ciera votes out Hayden in the revote because only her and Katie would draw rocks. I don’t see Ciera risking that when she now has no chance to get Tyson or Monica out. Hell, Katie probably changes her vote to Hayden out of self-preservation. So, Tyson not playing the idol was bad because he relief on luck. It was a very results-oriented move that worked, but he had potentially worse odds without his idol.

[@simsnetworkstudios]

I want to be in that world where Susie is the winner of Survivor Gabon..

[@ajl9772]

Bob's move wasn't really bad. Bad for getting Randy's vote? Sure, but he was never gonna vote for anyone in the Fang alliance outside of Kenny or Matty unless Bob REALLY messed up his FTC. It ensured Randy would be sent home that night and not him. It also endeared him to the others so that they were willing to send Corrine home next. Bob was just trying to make sure it wasn't him. I doubt he thought he could go on a crazy immunity run. Also, it was something for him to be able to point to as playing the game. Bob even admits that it was one of his few strategic moves. It wasn't a great move, but I wouldn't call it bad. Todd's plan was another I wouldn't call bad. He didn't know for certain if the other idol was there or if it had already been found somehow. He considered James a close ally and wanted to ensure he was safe, otherwise the merge would have been even between the 2 original tribes. His plan by all means should have worked. James's tribe had just thrown the previous challenge to get rid of Aaron, he thought it was likely they'd try again (because it made sense for them to do so strategically) and with James trying to throw, it should have been a slam dunk! James would have had to burn 1 idol, meaning he'd only have 1 left to use at the merge. Really this had more to do with bad luck. Yes, Todd could have just thrown the challenge, but again, he thought the other tribe was trying to throw and the bigger threats were on the other tribe with James. I believe he also thought James was going to give him an idol back, but didn't want to confront him about it. I'm confused. What move did Denise make that was bad here? Considering taking someone is not a move. Seems clear she was more emotionally conflicted about it. Malcolm was her person the whole game. Also, Lisa wasn't a complete goat. Against anyone aside from Malcolm and Denise, she probally gets more votes and could even win in some scenarios. If I recall correctly, Skupin wanted to take Malcolm over her to end. In the end she made the right move. Yes, she offered to force a tie, but that's what you should do when you're a possibility to be voted out. You're making an assumption that Earl believed that Dreamz was going to keep his word. You even show the clip of him questioning it lol. I think everyone questioned it. Second, even if Dreamz did, it's possible Yau and Earl make a deal to go to final 2 together or just decide to help the other out, as it makes sense for them to do. They could just vote for Cassandra and beat her in fire easily. Both would know they had to win immunity in the final 3 otherwise. I think Earl actually beats Yau in a final tribal council. It was very similar Yul/Ozzy situation. Earl was viewed as the leader of the alliance. Boo was also a challenge threat and much bigger jury threat than Dreamz and Cassandra. Finally, why do we assume Earl could have gotten rid of Dreamz? That was Cassandra's final 2 plan and Yau would have wanted Dreamz around to increase his chances of getting immunity. I'm not a mathematician, but 3 out of 5 is the majority. Earl would have had to use his idol on him, but that's a scary thing to do at 5. I think he played the situation right. Tyson explained his logic about not playing it and it makes sense actually. First off, he didn't know for sure if Ciera was going to rocks. He had just wasted an idol the vote before. Second, he had a 2 in 3 chance of staying and keeping the numbers. Third, he had redemption island to get back in and he's really good at challenges. He wanted to save the idol for when redemption island wasn't in play. All the odds were in his favor. I think Tyson believed Monica and Gervase may have decided to flip on him at some point. Hayden had thrown a huge target on his back and playing another idol would likely magnify it. Not a move I like (I'd prefer to just guarantee I make it to the next vote with my allies having the numbers), but I get where he's coming from. I'd say there were far worse moves made by winners: Jenna giving immunity to Heidi, Parvati and Aras trying to take Cirie to the end. Mike taking Carolyn to the end are some examples.

[@CSManiac33]

Okay so with Tyson is it even possible to play an idol on revotes? Since he seemed very confident Ciera wasnt flipping originally. I dont remember Jeff asking again if anyone wanted to play an idol

[@bcks0071]

I've heard it's not possible, it has never happened.

[@itizzano8233]

I'muh play chess the best way I know how. So I'mma king me.

[@specstar8724]

So for Earl to vote out Dreamz not Boo he would've needed Cassandra. Yau & Dreamz are locked on Boo. If Cassandra was willing to vote out Dreamz over Boo then it's a reasonable assumption she would take Earl not Dreamz to 2.

[@scottgreen3699]

it’s not a bad move if it works!

[@Living_End]

I am not sure how bad of a play Bob’s actually was. Him telling everyone Randy was a free target made sure no one in his alliance was going home. It made sure no one tried to overplay the game.

[@aleczavala5010]

Plus Bob owned up to his mistake during Randy and Corrine’s jury speeches. It’s the only halfway decent thing he does at FTC

[@antoniomarcos2504]

I dont know if Bob giving a fake idol to randy was actually that bad. Because in a season of bad players and when compared to susie in the ftw (the jury was never voting for sugar) it could be made an argument that at least bob tryed to play the game with that move, and susie did instead nothing in their perspective, not even a fake idol

[@bencalebrod]

Also Bob using the fake idol that way agruably kept him in the game that round, as he was the clear biggest threat left of the Kotas at that point and had all else been equal it's very likely Kenny pushes for Bob to be the boot over Randy, but with the prospect of sending Randy out in THAT humiliating way the plan was more firmly in the direction of getting Randy out first.

[@antoniomarcos2504]

@@bencalebrod yeah, there's also that!!

[@BussinandDiscussin]

Let anyone talking crap about Gen X please recall our generation had a Final 4, 3 Black and 1 Asian and Black Unanimous Winner. :P

[@NYChica23]

And the season before, the F4 was 2 Koreans, 1 Jamaican, and 1 Mexican

[@shadowninja6689]

Peridiam, are you sure that Tyson could have played his idol on a revote? It's never happened in the show, and I don't recall Jeff ever asking if anyone wanted to play an advantage in a re-vote. If it's not allowed then Tyson's mistake was misreading the room and not realizing that it was going to be a 3-3 tie.

[@MrJesse11K]

That’s not what he said 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@Minkeyman42069]

Todd also could of just told James to get the idol from his camp and then throw the challenge… he probably would’ve listened and it costs Todd nothing. Obviously someone could’ve already found the idol at their camp but it beats giving him the idol.

[@ashen_roses]

I thought the reason James didn't throw was because he was against Denise and Denise literally actually could not.

[@XanderMatthews-nv9zf]

But then if James can’t get his idol, if it had been found before, then Zhan Hu would have in theory thrown the challenge again and voted out James evening the tribal numbers 5-5 Keeping James was more important than the threat of him having 2 idols, it’s not like he was immune at the final 9 or 8 so they weren’t lacking in options

[@johnmillholland6550]

Great opening shot - just sayin

[@berybluu6081]

Thanks johnmillholland6550!

[@willbrock1962]

How did todd’s idol play go from one of the best flashy moves by a winner to a bad move? Did your opinion change?

[@maxperdu4612]

this is such an oddly specific topic but i guess that’s what happens when you make weekly survivor videos for how many years lol

[@mr.underhill8151]

Dee was carried by Austin and Drew to the final, there's never been a survivor winner who had such an easy journey without any struggle or hardship.

[@eddiepwr1982]

Just not true. But believe what you want 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@BlamoFilmz]

Completely agree, Austin thought he had a GF but she manipulated him like crazy, made for an absolute cakewalk for Dee to the win.

[@BlamoFilmz]

@@eddiepwr1982 Dee is just an okay winner, and even that is giving her too much credit.

[@ashen_roses]

Women can't win without men aka The Good Players, I've heard it all before

[@BlamoFilmz]

@@ashen_roses not at all the point anyone here is making. Dee specifically is just okay, plenty of genuinely amazing women players.

[@AlexH274]

Denise's return at WAW proved she is at best a follower in Survivor.

[@ashen_roses]

It erased all of Philippines. But JT giving the idol to Russell doesn't erase Tocantins... 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@ajl9772]

I disagree with that assessment. WaW she broke down at the merge. Beforehand, she blindsided Sandra. I disagreed with the move, but it shows shes not just a follower. At some point during the merge, she just became exhausted and was done with the game. Maybe the elements were worse or her being older made it more difficult this time. She survived EVERY tribal her first season and won the game. You dont do that by being just a follower.

[@machoman1016]

​@@ashen_rosesif giving Russell an idol didn't erase Tocantins they his run in Game Changers should've.

[@roger_towny_jr]

DIsagree Hard. After the move to take Sandra out, Denise did EXACTLY what she should have: dissappear into the background and keep her eyes and ears open and her mouth shut. She won two individual immunities. Towards endgame she was able to talk openly about ther thoughts on players without it backfiring on her (like when she talked about Tony's win equity in front of Tony's biggest allies and Tony himself up in his spy nest, and they STILL targeted Nick over her, probably cuse in their heart of hearts, Ben and Sarah knew she was right) She also cultivated more fire tokens than any non edge in the game. It was just BS that while players on edge could use their tokens for Idols and advantages in challenges, but in game all she could do was buy more rice. 🤦‍♂️ And she was only voted out at the final six revote after FOUR of the six players were immune. I'd say she played just fine. And in another univers where the fire token system actually made sense and she did have another idol, and Sarah got advantagegeddoned at six, Michelle goes at five. Nat wins immunity at four, takes Denise and let's Ben crush Tony at fire, in a final three against Ben and Nat, I believe Denise DEFINITELY has a shot at the W.

[@ajl9772]

@@machoman1016 Giving the idol was a high risk high reward play. His concern was an all girls alliance. Amanda and Candice were tied to Parvati. If Parvati was gone and Russell was around, then it killed any chance of that happening. If he had been right, it would have been the best move of the season. Game Changers I can't defend. Telling Brad the plan in front of everyone was bad enough and him getting blindsided with the idol was inexcusable.

[@ethanluma6094]

This video makes no sense