Top 5 Worst Survivor Twists that Made a Season Better

[@Rictavio27]

I feel like the only reason that the bottle twist worked in any capacity is because of another bad twist, the mutiny. I feel like it was them trying to course correct after the mutiny happened

[@Rictavio27]

But also if the mutiny didn’t happen, the season would have been entirely different, so IDK if it would have been better

[@uglyaniimals]

i don't hate the mutiny tbh, if anyone takes the offer then that's on them

[@lexa_power]

The mutiny is stupid but was a fun character moment for Penner but was just a villainous moment for Candace that didn’t age well since she should have been on the villains tribe not heroes

[@chargestone96]

​@@lexa_powerapparently her and parvati were initially swapped and they wanted to avoid cirie, amanda and parvati on the same tribe

[@raheemfielder-bey998]

I all the twist that season and they were to hender a white person winning a season about race

[@theshoeman9182]

I think the super idol from both Cagayan and Kaoh Rong belongs on this list too. In Cagayan it led to some impressive gameplay from Tony, and in Kaoh Rong it led to a great moment in Scot’s elimination. The best part of this twist is that it’s never actually been used in its intended use lol

[@willcoleman1679]

I’m Cagayan no but in Koh Roang yes

[@lexa_power]

@@willcoleman1679the opposite for me lol

[@TheAckeePlant]

It’s fascinating how the threat of the super idol influenced the game so much and yet has never been played, I agree. I liked how it worked on Kaoh Rong and wouldn’t mind it coming back like that.

[@midnalazuli793]

I think the real impact the super idol has is that it removes any paranoia on the holder’s end. They basically have a get out of jail free card at their disposal. This is why I’ve never been fond of Yul as a winner. The reason he was always so calm and calculating is because he knew he couldn’t be touched, and that nobody wanted to be the stand-in who’d take the fall just to flush the idol out of the game.

[@vivahotbabe]

​@@midnalazuli793 Cao Boi was once a thorn in his throat though that was short lived

[@legendarysingh2173]

Hear me out, having the edge twist on winners at war. I feel like we were robbed of edge content considering there were so many interesting relationships that only existed on the secret scenes, but having people like Ethan, rob, Amber, Parvati, Yul and etc still exist in the game made it so nice to watch considering this was probably their last times playing.

[@arjunkishore4080]

I feel that within the constraints of the 60 minute episode, having the edge there was egregious. Initially because it took away screen time from the main game, but eventually, all my favorites bar tiny and Michele were on the edge, so I wanted to see the edge more than I did the main game

[@Hockeyhobo89]

Yep, edge worked well for WAW

[@lerdog]

@@arjunkishore4080 not Tiny 😭

[@Talk3rs]

TBH I hated it even there, mainly because the structure. It felt like they are wasting time on inconsequential fire tokens, doing challenges to get them, it did not have any real meaning. It was just mess, because those people could not vote people out, it was not really competition "worth" something, just to keep them on the screen. I understand why they did it (keep people invested even if their favs got voted out), but there could have been more screen time for main game without the tokens mess.

[@0mathgaming]

Absolutely not. EoE by itself had a chance to work, but when combined with fire tokens, it makes it to where the optimal strategy is to get voted out as early as possible, then come back at Final 6 with an idol and only need to win one immunity challenge and one fire-making challenge to get to the end and win thanks to the relationships you made while on the edge.

[@KlaviceGavin]

Xander's deadpan "No, but you can have this fake!" to Liana who's been trying to get him out all season was just hilarious. Say what you will about Canadians being allowed on the show but 41 and 42 produced two winning Canadian players.

[@meccalovett4616]

People had something to say about Canadians on the show?

[@lynxer3808]

Yeah but idc what anyone says Xander should have won by what we were shown in the edit. Not a single vote makes me think there was some rigging going on by the players or the producers rigged the vote so they didnt have a white male winner on a season about diversity.

[@1appletree]

@@meccalovett4616 I mean there aren't Australians on the show. They go to Australian Survivor. There aren't South African people on the show. They are on South African Survivor. There aren't Hungarians on the show. They have to go to Hungarian Survivor. This is US Survivor. Why can't Canada make their own version if they want to be in it so much? I personally don't have a problem with it at all, but if you view it through objective lens, it is technically unfair.

[@meccalovett4616]

@@1appletree I suppose, but to that I’d say it’s just a reality show. People from other countries compete in other country’s sports, reality shows, and competitions all the time. I think it’s just a weird thing to take a strong stance on in my opinion. It doesn’t really change much. Especially when most cast members are recruited anyway

[@frida.7831]

@@1appletree But that's not true. In AUS survivor they get people from southeast Asia and from the US even. What is aussie about Sandra and Nina?

[@rjtotal5912]

I'd argue that Redemption Island provided some of the more iconic moments of the 'dark ages' with Russell H losing, Matt's underdog run, Christine's Underdog run, Ozzy's two returns and last stands. And obviously Stacey Powell and the best speech of any pre-merger.

[@bigbuffguy9589]

Redemption Island and South Pacific were so bad that Redemption Island was more interesting than the actual game.

[@stephenchizook6206]

We need a video on Christine’s underdog run.

[@kendyll8483]

Hate the idol nullifier but that set the course for the entirety of DvG and I loved it

[@adampie4044]

Hot take: The Outcasts is not a bad twist. Assuming that all the voted out contestants are living under similar conditions as the players still in the game, the competition to get back into the game leaves the results in the hands of the players. Separately, the fact that they have to get voted back into the game makes the result closer to what survivor is all about. Outcasts is the best and fairest way to bring players back into the game. Far more than redemption island or edge of extinction.

[@totaldramatyler4484]

Also the Outcasts brought back 2 players who were a huge part of the season, in Burton and Lill. Burton made a great villainous sidekick to John, and

[@pogodziej]

Absolutely agreed. Edge of Extinction should've had people voted back in. And all those challenges/Fire tokens could've maybe given you some free votes with your name on them. Also the return of somebody at the Final 5, should NOT have been a surprise.

[@PineappleLiar]

It also helps that the Outcasts twist didn’t drop the two returnees right off at the endgame, unlike what could happen with RI and the Edge. Burton and Lil actually had to play the game for a while after their return, rather than just get chummy with everyone who’d eventually be on the jury, jump back in at the last minute, and do a little dance to at least have something to say at final tribal.

[@TheAckeePlant]

Agreed. Outcasts was the first and still the very best way to bring people back. No screen time wasted in duels or anything, they just come back, with 1 round immunity so they can’t just be picked off like what happened to the Redemption Island returnees. It was perfect.

[@chargestone96]

I feel like shaun woulda fulfilled the same role as burton but lil over osten is an easy W

[@ArmandoMan]

"And now Colton, you're crying"

[@midnalazuli793]

“What are YOU crying for?” 🤨

[@mattveslino252]

Knowledge Is Power is probably one of the best case scenarios of an advantage creating amazing television in spite of itself. It has never successfully worked in its iterations through 41-43, but I would argue it produced some of the best or funniest moments of the New Era: the Yase 3's quick thinking to counter Liana, Omar's maneuver of Mike's trust to orchestrate Drea's blindside, the 43 cast playing advantage hot potato leading to Jesse inadvertently stealing Jeanine's idol. It's an awful advantage on paper, but MAN has it produced excellent TV.

[@StickTrickDominoDude]

KIP is a way better mechanic for TV moments than I would ever care to admit. You didn't even mention the very existence of the twist is what prompts a player like Jesse to acquire 2 idols that he didn't find. It's weird that they created an advantage that is much more satisfying to be beaten than it is to see played correctly.

[@williamjones1419]

You're so right! KIP is a pure TV advantage and I love it. It also allows a whole other layer to the social game. Who do you tell and how do you use it? But it is purely for TV because you have to have so much dramatic irony as a viewer for anything revolving around KIP to make sense. I hope we see it again soon!

[@jeremydenis8023]

I would also argue the “fake” merge on Gabon made the end game better. If the Kota 4 just steamrolled it would be boring but by splitting the tribe in 2 and Susie flipping on Marcus we got a more messy yet unpredictable season.

[@ashen_roses]

Doesn't help that the great and powerful Marcus played things so badly in every aspect that it's downright questionable what happens in a world where they merge. Does he still brush Susie off? Does he still offer Susie up to Crystal in favor of sixth place. Doesn't help that generally all of the Onions were very stank very stale people and singlehandedly gave the win to a guy who was caught creeping on and perving on people because he was one of them and not one of The Evil Gang

[@hyp3ri6n58]

I think redemption island also makes SoPa better. Probably not to the same extent as BvW, but still. The season is generally not regarded well largely due to the post-merge being a big pagonging, but Ozzy coming back in at the end really shakes things up. We also get "for revenge, basically", Christine, and "chuck e the cheese jokes" which are all highlights of the season. Obviously, if ozzy had gone on to win it would've felt quite unfair, but... he didnt, and we're left with a very satisfying win from sophie who needed to beat him in the FIC to win.

[@lexa_power]

I think narratively i would have actually been a lot more satisfied as a viewer if Ozzy won. I really felt like i didn’t know Sophie at all and i find her win very unsatisfying to watch. However, i still enjoyed that season somewhat because i found watching Coach lose very satisfying. Wish it would have been to someone who i got to know more or wish Sophie had a bigger edit, which is why that’s a bottom tier season and not one i can ever stomach a rewatch of for pleasure. But certainly a lot of good character moments that season and a lot of arcs (just not really for the winner sadly).

[@midnalazuli793]

There’s so many things that make the outcast twist work. 1. It’s in the theme of the season. Pirates who were left for dead by their own crews coming back to enact their revenge. Ever notice how Redemption Island and Edge of Extinction are only implemented in seasons with returning players? Obviously they only exist to give alpha male faves like Rob, Ozzy, and Joe extended screen time in case they get voted out. 2. Nothing is guaranteed. Unlike Redemption Island and Edge of Extinction, no one is for sure coming back. If the outcasts came last in the challenge, none of them would come back. If they came second, only one of them would come back as opposed to two. 3. Incidentally, Burton and Lill added a lot to the season, and so would have any of the other four pre-jurors (can’t say the same for Sean and Osten). And it’s narratively satisfying seeing the most socially ostracized first six boots of any season come back and defeat the people who literally “outcasted” them, and it’s especially fitting that Savage, the worst offender, was most screwed over and met his downfall at the hands of the people he mistreated.

[@ASG-nm4cz]

Peak KIP is 42 because the only reason Jesse had that idol was because Cody was afraid somebody else had regained a KIP

[@mariellebosco]

if EoE only had one return point (where Devens came back) it would have been a top tier season. the cast was so good and we would've got more of Reem and other early vote outs shenanigans and Devens return and masterful gameplay without it being dragged out and getting whiplash from the winner

[@bigbuffguy9589]

Rick isn't actually that good of a player. And he also got voted out. Chris winning is better for me if it wasn't Victoria.

[@Hayden_Lummus]

@@bigbuffguy9589 By your logic though, Chris got voted out too...

[@Hayden_Lummus]

Devins honestly was having the best underdog about to win, given he barely had any alliances and everyone wanted to betray him as soon as they could. He did everything to survive till that BS of Chris being brought back, and handing his immunity over. None of those final three deserved that win and honestly, I wish the jury could've pulled a "screw you" to those final three and vote for Devins to win. Since rules don't mean shit apparently

[@Flying_V]

I've said this before and I'll say it a thousand times, the edge of extinction made winners at war a better season. As a viewer I waited 20 years for that season and I wanted to see as much of all of them as possible. It would have been a real disappointment to have all the old school players just get voted off and not have a chance to really put a bow on their time playing the game and to give them their flowers.

[@504ever4]

I think that the real reason why they introduced Edge of Extinction in season 38 is because they already wanted it to be a game mechanism by season 40.

[@MaximilliansHammer]

Yeah...I remember way back during All-Stars, it just felt really bad to see your favorites go home early and just disappear forever. WaW finding a way to keep those players in the show was so much more satisfying, and led to some great character moments, not to mention the emotion of the family visits for everyone which really brought home the feeling of the Survivor community having become like a true family. When even the Exile Island players got to see their families, it was like the producers giving all those legends a gift of appreciation. Such a genuine feel good moment, in a show that sometimes works a bit too hard to manufacture them.

[@drgamenstein3032]

The thing about the bottle twist is that, due to federal regulations on gameshows, it always had to have existed before the season began filming in order to have occurred. My guess is that based on the placement of the bottle at F11, and the fact that the Mutiny was offered twice before and only accepted once, the producers probably thought that Mutiny would be taken up more than just once and by more than just 2 people. Heck, looking at the starting 4 tribes, it was probably planned as a season where jumping ship multiple times was supposed to be encouraged, and the bottle just exists as a way to either even the playing field before the merge, or mercy kill the minority tribe after they had all their tribemates and supplies jump ship.

[@duckyofdoom710]

"Somebody I could HATE! Like Brad Culpepper."

[@tyfraserweeks9216]

The knowledge is power twist also lead to the epic reveal of Jessie ending up with Jeanine’s idol. Hard to say if we’ll see KIP again since it’s lead to some juicy moments but it’s also never worked as intended.

[@Quetzal00358]

I can never watch Survivor live so thank you Peridiam for filling that Survivor itch on my Wednesdays

[@aaronbentley6373]

27 had so many terrible twists but they seemed to all come together to make a great season. It had Redemption Island + half returnees + mixing legends (Tina, Rupert) with nobodies (Monica, Kat) + Day 1 elimination…and they all worked somehow.

[@midnalazuli793]

I feel like it’s obvious they only wanted Kat and Monica back because of their significant other.

[@coherentramblings7326]

Some of my picks. -The swap: China An incredibly unbalanced swap that should screwed over Aaron, James, and Todd, yet the latter two used this to their advantage to get possession of both idols. This also led to the most memorable moment in the season, which was James being blindsided with both idols in his pocket. -Idol Nullifier: David vs Goliath Normally a twist that can only hurt the underdogs and enable pagongings, yet the Davids actually found a way to use this to turn the tables. -Edge of Extinction: Winners at War An unbalanced twist that actually rewards being voted out early, but it also allowed almost every player to get a healthy chunk of screen time, which is especially great for a legands season like this. This twist would’ve been frustrating if it took away Tony’s win, but having Natalie present a challenge to him without ultimately winning did make the endgame more exciting, when it otherwise was starting to wind down. The Extortion: Winners at War An unfair burden that almost ruined the biggest move of the season, but the fact that Tony successfully paid the extortion was an extra feather in his cap and made his performance that episode all the more impressive.

[@dragonmawpoacher933]

No mention of the idol nullifier? I for sure expected to see that here.

[@ljzi1161]

Fun fact The bottle twist appeared in a season of Israeli survivor once in the post merge

[@BradsPitts.]

Imagine how Peridiam would talk about the Hunger Games if they were real 💀

[@HalfPintTelevision]

I 1000% agree that bad twists don't guarantee a bad season, I have had issues with a few of the twists in Season 45 but I'm still really enjoying the edit/show.

[@mooingAlong]

Jenny flipping the bird after being voted out is the same feeling I felt.

[@PokeInspired]

The amulet advantage on 45 is probably going to be the peak entertainment of that advantage.

[@JNDReacts]

13:07 Eh, I think without it we wouldn’t have gotten the only exciting moments of 43; Jesse wouldn’t have ended up with Jeanine’s idol, and iirc kip is also the reason he got Cody’s idol.

[@matthewhalsall9008]

I actually liked the consequence of KIP in 43. One of my favorite parts of the season was how Jesse got Jeanine's idol without her ever knowing. her reaction at 5 was great. I would limit it to just idols though. I don't want swapping of extra votes, steal a votes or other advantages.

[@Amsow97]

I think end of the day I don't love KIP being in the game but I love players being afraid KIP is in the game 😂

[@creative_commander4973]

I think a version from another country… the random individual immunity challenge back in the premerge of Aus Heroes vs Villains! The twist let us both see Simon and George stay and had some CRAZY fireworks go on that led to one of the greatest tribal councils of all time.

[@AsianFurey33]

Shocked you didn’t have the medallion of power in there absolute banger

[@rileyweida]

I think the knowledge is power worked for good tv when Jessie got that one girls idol and no one knew abt it not even her

[@erakfishfishfish]

While Redemption Island is a bad idea for a social game like Survivor, it’s an excellent idea for skill-based competition shows. Case in point: Last Chance Kitchen, which is Top Chef’s version of Redemption Island. On more than one occasion, not only did it redeem a chef, but the judges as well if they made the wrong choice.

[@TheLoserface45]

Oh I HATE Edge of Extinction. But when it was in Play for Winners at War and I can watch all of the bests still in the game, I welcomed it. The family visit for the edge was amazing. Which makes me think… what were they going to do if Rob and Amber were split up in the game? Like if one was still in and the other on the edge?

[@Andrew.170]

Very Surprised HvHvH fire making intro was not on this list

[@alvinlouispascua]

I still wonder where Rupert stand would if the day 0 vote offs in BvW didn't happen. Candice would still get first boot as she was the alternate, but I'm quite curious on if Rupert joins up with people, my guess with Tina since they have the history.

[@calebos268]

Now waiting for the top 5 best Survivor twists that made a season worse lol.

[@lerdog]

The idol nullifier was fun during DvG and had potential, but absolutely destroyed any chance of IoI being salvageable with a Janet win by taking her out at F5

[@roger_towny_jr]

One World, in concept, actually is a good twist that got mudded when they combined it with gender divided tribes. If the tribes started off on an even playing ground, the dynamics of all living together could be more interesting.

[@theanalysis27]

Keep in mind, if Raro goes into the merge with numbers in cook islands, Parvati probably wins that game.

[@erincummings5423]

Can you do a video on placement of survivor narrators :)

[@shadowninja6689]

Got to disagree on the bottle twist. All it did accomplished is giving us a boring reverse pagonging. Raro was a much more fractured tribe that might have actually torn itself apart before it finished the pagonging, so we definitely could have gotten a much more exciting merge without the twist.

[@horsewritter2000]

I would be interested to see redemption island with the new 90 minute episodes. I feel like it would flow better and not feel like it’s taking away from the “main” episode

[@HandsomeLongshanks]

I kept hearing some beeping undercutting the entire intro and was going to comment about how you need to check your recording for that stuff. Then i paused the video for a second and realized my smoke detectors were going off because my brother was frying bacon. Oops.

[@2InsertNameHere]

Will you be covering Survivor UK?

[@emilydinan533]

I also think the bottle twist could have had a different bottle if Auitui would have lost

[@andrepelser973]

I had the same thought rewatching the other day. I think the bottle twist and mutiny twist was created to cancel each other out and just cause more entertainment. If no one flipped during the mutiny that would probably not even have been aired and the bottle twist would not have been used (or the same idea would have been used in a later season).

[@spegat2000]

3 of the seasons in this video are in my top 5 lol.

[@guytonharvey9916]

I would also argue KIP made 43 better as fear about KIP allowed Jesse to acquire his 2 idols and make the defining moves of the season.

[@nvm9040]

Redemption island twist is better used in South Pacific And I honestly don’t mind the bottle twist bc it makes the season much more enjoyable plus it gives the aitu four much more of a underdog narrative Micronesia fans aren’t bad players and they have some good skills to maybe beat the favorites but still the favorites still have a huge advantage

[@johnsilver8682]

I feel like I’m one of the few that hated season 16. I didn’t finish it after Erik got voted out. I feel like everyone came off unlikeable except for Erik who was just too dumb

[@KingsNerdCave]

I think Edge of Extinction is stupid, but it definitely made Winner at War more exciting. A lot of the big personalities sadly get booted early, but we get more time with them and get to see more stories conclude with the Edge twist. But I had KIP, the fear of someone just stealing you advantage seems too cheap to me. Xander's play was great, but I want that twist gone.

[@unclesquirrelstache7431]

Wait. What if Julie (or Dee) gets knowledge is power and uses it on Austin? 🤔

[@JarinCOD]

KIP sounds terrible. I'm so happy 40 was my last season.

[@katereagon4299]

I was gonna say the whole ‘divided by race’ thing on Cook Islands but I think the season was good in spite of that, not because of it

[@andrepelser973]

I would say that twist was just a product of its time and really didn't play a factor after the first swap.

[@frida.7831]

Although Sandra, Rupert and Jon were the biggest stars from Pearl Island, that would never happen if Lil and Burton didn't come back. The number were tie in both tribes but in Morgan they were all aligned and in Drake only Krista, Rupert and Sandra were. That would have been a pagonging with our favorites going 10th, 7th and 6th probably (because Krista and Shawn were bigger physical threats) and with Ryan O winning. That sounds like a bottom season.

[@JDeeVis]

Was expecting s28 super idol!

[@musicguy713]

The ONLY reason Probst hated the outcast twist was because Lill came back and Savage was voted out, who’s one of his massive man crushes. Had Savage of stayed and another woman got voted off, he would’ve loved the outcast twist. It probably would have come back again in future seasons like Redemption Island and Edge of Extinction.

[@jodeboyd8386]

But will anyone ever "eat the rock" again?

[@kellydaunis]

Of the clips of seasons shown at all in this video, Redemption Island and 41 are in my top 20. Winners At War is in my top ten. The other seasons aren't even close to my top 20.

[@johnsilver8682]

Season 41 is one of the all time worst. Felt like a different show completely especially after how good 40 was

[@VintageGfunk]

Edge of Extinction sucks but it made Winners at War better

[@MPM23-m2g]

Knowledge is power still sucks!

[@Andrewno]

Cook islands being divided amongst racial lines... not very kosher... but it made the season 75% POC players

[@XanderMatthews-nv9zf]

Yeah but you could have split them up in literally any other way

[@ExodusDisciple]

Applebees

[@vinceb755]

I have never been a fan of anybody coming back into the game once they have been voted out of it. The votes should always mean something. That is the main reason I detest fire making at final 4. It negates the whole idea of voting someone out of your tribe. I really disliked Edge of Extinction the most. I think the only way I would have hated it less was if they had just devoted an entire episode to the players on the Edge while they competed in a mini fast paced version of the game. They could have had a series of group/individual challenges with immediate vote offs and the last person standing gets back in the game. This way it isn’t just people doing nothing for weeks on end. Plus, it would mean that the returning player would have some blood on their hands from people they voted off the Edge.

[@bigbuffguy9589]

The Outcast twist is definitely the best example. It's on theme, and Pearl Islands (a virtually perfect season) wouldn't be the same without it. I also liked the Edge of Extinction on its namesake season. While it was mostly a holding area for your favorite winners on Winners at War, I thought it was quite interesting from a psychological standpoint in Season 38. And while it's controversial for some, I think Chris winning was narratively satisfying in the same way that Ozzie winning South Pacific would have been.

[@chargestone96]

Chris winning to me wasnt narratively satisfying asche simply wasnt part of the narrative and it lead to most of the season feeling like a waste of time The edit in general was a big issue though like victoria was mist likely going to win without the twist but they spent no time on anyone outside of kelly/david and their lackeys lauren/wardog/devins due to being returnees so no ending would have felt correct once lauren dropped

[@bigbuffguy9589]

@@chargestone96 The theme of that season was the Edge of Extinction itself, so the winner spending a long time there is satisfying. I'm not saying you have to like it from a gameplay standpoint. That's a different discussion.

[@chargestone96]

@@bigbuffguy9589 thats not how that works, narratively he was irrelevant all season and suddenly popped out of nowhere and won, it is very narratively unsatisfying to make the whole season before the finale literally mean nothing You might have liked it but you dont need to act like it was not a narrative mess

[@MaximilliansHammer]

Yeah, to each his own, but to most people, this was one of the most unsatisfying endings in all of Survivor. That it was thematically relevant didn't make it good or satisfying. It just goes to show the fundamental flaw with the concept. Props to production for finding a way to make it feel a lot better in Winners at War, where it actually served the purpose of allowing us to spend more time with all those Survivor Legends who were very likely playing for the last time. But even then, if Natalie had won, it would have gone right back to feeling awful.

[@madison5822]

Does a video exist for "best seasons for beginners"? My bf has watched the last 3 seasons, but he won't commit to watching all 40+ seasons, so we're going to watch 'the best of the best' between new seasons and I can't decide!!!

[@rokeYouuer]

If you’re willing to watch seasons that were pre-HD, Pearl Island, Palau, and China are all really good. The more modern seasons that are really good for beginners are Millennials vs Gen X and Davids vs Goliaths. Then after you’ve watched several seasons and can appreciate the twists and turns, Heroes vs Villians and Cagayan are considered two of the overall best seasons

[@lexa_power]

Really good video! I was glad to not see the super idol from Cagayan here because that’s such a bottom tier season for me and I’m so confused how anyone likes that season. But I was surprised to see the super idol on Yul’s season not make the list. But i agree with everything you said. I actually did like redemption island tho especially on Russell’s season, i thought it was a good twist and i enjoyed Matt’s arc on redemption. He was able to turn his time on survivor into a successful acting career so I feel like it all worked out for him.

[@chargestone96]

Didnt make it better butvi still hate david v goliath asca casting twist and we are lucky the cast was so strong cause jeff trying to pretend the theme is worth bringing up constantly almost ruined it for me

[@jdot666x420]

Unpopular opinion I liked the outcast twist 🤷‍♂️

[@mnoradola210]

I respectfully disagree about the bottle twist. "The Aitu 4 were more likable." Because they were edited that way. If they had lost the bottle challenge, the Raros would have gotten better edits. "Without it, it would have just been another Panama." That's a bad thing? Being "another" of one of the best seasons the show has ever had? The bottle twist was unfair producer intervention and I 100% believe the conspiracy that if Aitu had lost, the bottle would have cancelled the tribal and merged them at 11.

[@cooperwilk4255]

first, what if eoe is here for the finale episode

[@upvotecomment2110]

Knowledge is power is a twist? Really bro? And it's not bad at all

[@slothmaster2524]

I think EoE on his first season was good. We had the Reem storyline, the comeback of Rick Devens who became a fan favorite and spiced the season when it was getting boring.. and honnestly : did the Chris win was legitimate ? no. Did his comeback provide the most epic end game of any season ? yes. For WaW, I think EoE was too much and don't provide as much entertaining story line as s38

[@a.jdeets5527]

Yeah no the Bottle Twist ruined Cook Islands for me. I highly doubt the producers would’ve given Aitu the bottle if they lost. And the Aitu 4 was one of the most boring and sanctimonious alliances of all time. It’s the most overrated season.

[@Drake_Dimes]

I have an idea for a Survivor twist. You have 2 tribes say Yellow buffs and Blue buffs. You have a tribal immunity challenge. Jeff says there's a twist that'll I'll share after the challenge (challenge is done around dusk). After the challenge, Jeff reads the note it's a tribe swap. The winning buff color wins immunity and everyone who draws the losing tribes buff color is a loser. With no time to talk Jeff says we are headed straight to tribal council giving no one time to scramble if they got swap screwed.

[@RecordsSam]

That's just similar to the hourglass thing in a way though. If a person won immunity they shouldn't have it taken away from them because of a twist they had no way to prepare for. It's just random then.

[@handsoaphandsoap]

Or, get this. It’s the merge except it’s not. We split into two tribes and run an immunity challenge, except two players don’t compete. After one team wins immunity, they choose to send one of the players that didn’t compete to exile. They then get the option to reverse the entire outcome by, I don’t know, smashing some kind of symbolic item (perhaps an hourglass). Now they’re safe as well as the losing team and the winning team is vulnerable for elimination.

[@tubagal13]

That's basically what happened in Survivor Fiji, which resulted in the swap screw to end all swap screws #bringbackmichelleyi

[@XanderMatthews-nv9zf]

I feel Pearl Islands would have been a bit more thematically appealing without the outcast twist, having Drake go down as the tribe that sunk after throwing a challenge and keeping an outsider in Shawn Morgan were the serious underdogs for the entire season, meanwhile Drake was insistent on crumbling at the seams, still a good season but still

[@bigbuffguy9589]

I couldn't disagree more. Pearl Islands is much better thematically because of the Outcast twist.

[@zachfunk167]

payback

[@jordanvance1657]

Please dont remind me of edge 😢

[@StripesZB]

This is one of the Survivor mysteries to me: why do I keep hearing that the Aitu Four were "so much more likeable than the other tribe"? Becky and Sundra were nice but didn't make fun TV and Ozzy was arrogant and spiteful. On the other side, there wasn't any big toxic villainy to write about either. I always thought Parvati, Candice and Penner were fun. I feel like we have this narrative of "underdogs = better" drilled into our heads in this case.

[@moviemaniac14]

I'm actually going out on a limb saying that Pearl Islands is one of the worst seasons BECAUSE of that outcast twist. I actually thought the season was going great until that stupid twist brought back Burton and Lil, which I could not stand either of them at all. I feel that the season would've been 10 times better had that twist never happened, and that's my true honest opinion.

[@a.jdeets5527]

It would’ve just been a boring Andrew Savage steamroll. Morgan was not a fun tribe to watch at all.

[@GerritCoulter]

You counted casting themes as twists, and also had a Cook Islands twist on the list, but you didn't include the racial casting of Cook Islands?

[@BigTasty66]

They really should have done redemption island for San Juan Del Sur. The “hero duels” were pretty lame