Persona 2: Innocent Sin Analysis (Part 2) - Ultimate Persona Compendium

[@JohneAwesome]

Your interpretation of Kaneko's cameo as the demon painter was brilliant script writing, the video as a whole was great but that segment was my favorite

[@SnicketySlice]

Y'know, it occured to me later that he also vanished as well, just like the demon painter!

[@Oznerock]

Jonheee, you really are everywhere Megaten can be found in, huh?

[@ryanthered2060]

SnicketySlice By the way when you’re done with persona 2 are you going to do persona 3

[@jakebaker1051]

Ryan Thurston he’s doing em all, he said it in his P1 videos. 😁

[@jackiecozzie4803]

Johne I know I'm late to reply to this comment but PLEASE do a playthrough of either one of the Persona 2 games at some point!! That would be friggin awesome

[@karimhill7993]

Persona 2 Innocent Sin is set in 1999. The same year when: The Kirijo Group was trying to bring forth The Fall Aigis was created Yukari's father's sacrificed himself in order to prevent (or halt) The Fall Makoto Yuki/Minato Arisato's parents were killed Aigis sealed Death (Ryoji) in Makoto/Minato The Dark Hour and Tartarus were formed

[@maallos334mi8]

That timeline reset though....

[@alienalchemist]

It's also the year when Jotaro goes to Morioh to meet Josuke.

[@karimhill7993]

@@maallos334mi8 P2 EP was also set in 1999.

[@mattf.868]

@@maallos334mi8 the same events should still occur in EP, so it doesn't really matter

[@battlinjoe2592]

@Maallos334 Mi What do you mean, timeline reset? All the games are still in the same universe, the only events which were reset involved the original Masked Circle and the Ayala Shrine arson case, which now never happened. Eternal Punishment is still in the year 1999, and the backstory of Persona 3 is still happening. In fact, if you take Nanjo’s route in Eternal Punishment, he discovers research papers authored by Kandori on how to artificially induce Persona into people. It’s entirely possible Nanjo held onto those papers, but they slipped through the cracks in the company and ended up in the hands of Kirijo group members, as both the Nanjo and Kirijo group were originally one and the same. Small world, once you really think about it...

[@Metetron]

Ah yes, Cooler Führer, my favorite Megaten character.

[@lunarfloure]

The 90s hit hitler real hard

[@alienalchemist]

He do be lookin' kinda fresh doe

[@nissedood8013]

@@lunarfloure It feels more like the "censor" made him look more badass. Because if you put on sunglasses you mean serious buisness.

[@AkatsukiBoss13]

Persona 2 Eternal Punishment Compendium Episode, Coming Q4 2021!

[@granzedora]

For real?!

[@TailsGuy72]

ehh, that's the japanese release date, the west gets it in Q3 2022

[@trueaegisform6811]

Q4 2020

[@carenc.hortensia3458]

Can’t wait for the Eternal Punishment Compendiums

[@SnicketySlice]

There will most likely only be 1 part on EP since I already covered the mechanics here and they don't change much.

[@carenc.hortensia3458]

Oh. I see. Well can't wait for it then!

[@ShadowBaofu]

@@SnicketySlice Only one part for a story that includes best character? For shame.

[@neveroddoreven6597]

ShadowBaofu You mean Maya, of course!

[@fakegrant]

Spelunking For Pasta no he means Eriko

[@Zubatticus]

Really impressed how well the choices and mechanics tie in together. And when will ratings boards learn that giving Hitler aviators just makes him look cooler

[@dencheq]

Game has bad writting and story. Most fans like this game bc of cast, beginning and ending. Those things don't save this game in 2023.

[@nikiardo]

​@@dencheqThe story is amazing in my opinion.

[@dencheq]

@@nikiardo The story is ok until Jun and Maya backstory. After that everything breaks apart and whole plot becomes chaotic. In-game presentation of Jun's story is the worst and confusing. Whole Jun's story and motivation can be described as brainwash. We all know that Maya is alive and Tatsuya didn't burn her. Lisa knows that 100% so she should have told that back in the days when they were hiding their masks.

[@atld1414]

The only way to find out which version is best is which tatsuya’s nyoooms are the best

[@Sonamy5673]

I really like persona 2 portraits they’re more expressive especially Lisa

[@paulasalaburu6180]

Lisa's shadow's expressions are one of the best I have ever seen. She looks absolutely crazy/mad. So amazing.

[@Reilly-K]

I know, right? The Persona 2 portraits are beautiful! Somewhat pixelated, yes... but still beautiful. ^^

[@magicmanthegeez330]

@@Reilly-K they're way better then Persona 3 portraits in my opinion

[@Reilly-K]

@@magicmanthegeez330 An opinion that I share. Though, I still do like the Persona 3 portraits in their own right.

[@magicmanthegeez330]

@@Reilly-K I personally don't. The line work is incompetent, the colors are ugly, impression are weak and just everything about it is horrendous. I enjoy persona 3 but definitely the worst artwork in the series

[@nekotorin]

When you talked about Evil Maya, I just realized after so many years that Evil Maya's eyes have a slightly different hue that Real Maya. Wow.

[@SnicketySlice]

You also can't see her eyes in her sprite either.

[@nekotorin]

@@SnicketySlice my mind is officially blown. And I call myself a P2 megafan xD I learn something new everyday~

[@percher4824]

Blind.

[@percher4824]

@Cringy Persona Fan Someone's feeling a bit spicy today.

[@kornaes]

@@percher4824 yeah, you

[@breloompauncher5593]

I believe it was actually mentioned that if a rumor is too good such as good quality and high buy back, people won't believe it and it won't spread. That also leads me to believe that spreading too many rumors will just muddy the process and nothing will have an effect anymore.

[@sarafontanini7051]

plus Nyarlothetep migth think i's cheating in his cool apocalypse game

[@TheRezro]

Yup. I wanted to say same thing! Rumormongering isn't about talking some Star Wars hater nonsense. It is about making rumor's believable.

[@voltmcvolt1751]

>TFW we will never have Super Persona Maker on the west

[@ShadowBaofu]

I legit want to learn how to use it.

[@Alabaster-White]

Look no further than your latest version of rpg maker.

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Mixing in writing goodness in such a (on the surface) arduous and easily hand waveable mechanic like the Fool Arcana cards WHY IS THIS GAME'S WRITING SO POWERFUL

[@Fearless_Jay]

You know, coming from someone who holds P2 as the golden standard for the entire franchise in term of storywriting, you made me realize a lot I completely missed so I wanted to thank you for it, I can't wait for you to cover Eternal Punishment haha

[@midnight-fox7456]

Holy s*it, you've been working on this series for 2 years now? Dude, that's some dedication, respect.

[@em0cia]

I love that you cover almost every single aspect of the games in each analysis. Especially when it's those trivial nuances between the original and remake, like the sounds and graphics. I had no idea the Fool cards were that hard to get. Brilliant video.

[@ShadowBaofu]

That was why it took a while for P3 and the like to grow on me. Like this blue haired brat is supposed to be a Wild Card? That needed some time to gestate.

[@TH-li7lj]

I swear nothing is better than a good JRPG soundtrack. Sets the moods perfectly and can vibe to it.

[@ChristheDowned]

I binged all your P1/2 vods and really appreciate them since I never played P1 or the P2s. I never had them recommended due to the flaws present in the PSP ports or the aged PS1 mechanics. Definitely will give them a try soon.

[@makhyusnimakhyusni401]

These P1 cameo really give passing torch feel kinda wish modern persona have interaction between older cast and new cast beside spinoff

[@Alabaster-White]

Primarily why the P1 cast is my favorite. Literally gets two games (one with two stories) for it's characters.

[@TheNivek22]

I didn't know about the Japanese exclusive dlc in the psp version, dammit. No one is gonna translate those sadly considering that the base game is already in English and i'm still waiting for a translation of the psp version of Eternal Punishment.

[@DeadChristmasTreebythehighway]

Hey that should be a hint that you should learn Japanese

[@TheNivek22]

@@DeadChristmasTreebythehighway Not a bad idea but my laziness it's stronger.

[@cruelcumber5317]

@@DeadChristmasTreebythehighway There's a certain threshold of relevance for any given person's life to justify learning Japanese as a non native speaker. Learning a language is hard by default, and Japanese is far from an easy one, so if the only reason they'd learn it is to play Eternal Punishment PSP, it's almost certainly not worth the time and effort.

[@DeadChristmasTreebythehighway]

@@cruelcumber5317 idiot did you not read their response?? Babbling about how difficult it is to learn a language doesn't make you better at it and I never mentioned that learning a language was easy. That dude is probably interested in a lot of Japanese stuff so it could be worth learning it just that they mentioned that they were "too lazy" to bother. Idiot

[@TheGeoXWar]

Priscilla Uribe Blame the fanbase for being too incompetent to translate it.

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Ill forever hate Kudan. Brought the ranks of my equipped Personas back to 1. Im so glad I had save states lol

[@PrimeBukkIT]

Same.

[@WhisperingPersona]

I wish I did that. Spent all that time grinding my ultimate personas to max only for it to be taken away lmao. That was in October and it is now March, I never recovered from that hahah but now I’m gonna play it again and try again.

[@neonayse8803]

24:53 you didn't mention the fact that Lisa begs Reiji to give away his gloves and the fact that he was technically broke at that time. 8/10

[@Narlaw1199]

The limitations on the rumor system are due to rumors having to already exist in order to be modified and spread.

[@ZDH513]

The battle system complaints feel like such a non-issue tbh when I did several playthroughs of the PSP ver. Idk if its really as bad as you describe it.

[@lawtonaaj]

honestly the reason i think they did it was how unpopular ff 13s auto battle system was.

[@ShadowBaofu]

@@lawtonaaj It can be a little clunky for a lot of recent Persona fans who are used to the streamlined system P3 onwards had. If you never grew up with the series like some people did before it was popular, you might or might not like the battle system the older games had.

[@lemonov3031]

I just beat it, yes it is that bad. I felt such relief when EP Portable didn't have that. Also the game is so slow it's unplayable without emulator speed up.

[@parkouremaster]

Finally, i was really waiting for this since the first part

[@nagi159]

These videos are some of the most well thought out, written and most entertaining videos on the Persona franchise I've even seen. The original Persona trilogy especially doesn't get as much love as it deserves in my opinion. Persona 2 (both of them) are personally my favourite games in the franchise and I can't wait for the Eternal Punishment episode now. ^^

[@AkhKhetSahRenBaKaIbShutSekhem]

Fantastic video, my man. You make the best Persona content.

[@SnicketySlice]

Thanks!

[@nitinanku]

35:28 Green for Persona 3? That’s got to be a mistake

[@crazybananagurl1999]

That bothered me, too! Persona 3's color is clearly blue. The menus, the opening song, even the PC's hair are all blue.

[@GuitarrAssassin]

Might be referring to the Dark Hour being green? Still, the color pallet still utilizes various shades of blue.

[@luckypikachu4892]

Maybe Slice is colorblind?

[@Alabaster-White]

In Persona 3 FES the start screen and main menus are green. Usually, persona games 4 and onward will have their representative color for the start screen. During gameplay menus are blue and the orignal version and male side of the psp version are blue.

[@Junior305able]

March 13, 2020 Friday The 13th. I see what you did there.

[@annoyedPikachu]

Please talk forever

[@PlatinumDustVA]

I can't agree more

[@BBWahoo]

Please moan too

[@anaskashim4952]

That sounded weird ^^

[@TheBandoBandito]

They said it'd never happen.. They said I was crazy.

[@Sadefin]

This comment applies to every single of your Persona Analysis Compendium videos but it would be redundant to post it under every single video so I'll just post it under the most recent video to date. Maaan, seriously, the amount of detail and work you put into these videos and how you split every aspect of the games into different sections is astounding and I have huuuge respect for what you're doing. Every single video is so informative and detailed, I'm having a blast watching them and hope that the next part comes out soon cause I'm used to having 6 vids I can watch back to back and having to wait now is weird but don't mind me, take your time to make another masterpiece 😂😂 So yea that's mostly all I wanted to say and praising you more would be the same compliment over and over again at some point so I'll cut it short here and will say one final thank you for these amazing videos

[@Istiden1]

I love these videos, they are so high effort and very interesting to watch. Thank you for making them! Looking forward to the next one!

[@dannyd4339]

High effort? Half of this video is literally copied from part one.

[@TheCHRILLCAST]

SnicketySlice, you have been favorite Persona Content on ALL OF KZbin. Every time you drop one of these, everything else goes on pause for me so I can set aside time to watch these.

[@Sabasanosiss]

Wow, I subbed just a few days ago cause I found this series and wondered when it would be updated again. Glad it was...now.

[@luizmello7888]

I'm a simple man. I see snickety, I like.

[@rotten2thebit221]

tho i disagree with your complaints about the psp versions of p1 and p2 I think your videos are pretty rad overall YAY THE ALGORITHM WORKED FOR ONCE!

[@IceQueen975]

Yeeeeeeesssss. I just LOVE these videos SO much. I know they take a long-ass time to make so I'm always thrilled when I see you've made another.

[@smartmouthriveria]

That Erie 80’s creepy background music is perfect. It sets the mood of the game

[@joshacei7725]

Thank you so so so so much for allowing me to have a comprehensive Persona 2 experience structured in such a detailed and intelligent way, I can really appreciate the sophistication of this series thanks to you. AWESOME work

[@kevain684]

the last weekend i was replaying P2:IS, this time around the ps1 ver. and just the other day i was rewatching the first part of your analysis, pretty good timing, loved the video and your channel, waiting for the Eternal Punishment one!

[@Outis634]

I love this video series! Thanks for the info and keep up the good work!

[@Witheredleaflet]

Always immensely impressed by the amount of research that goes into these videos, Kudos man, great job as always. Looking forward to Eternal punishment and whatever else you have planned!

[@Mitsuru14]

So glad you updated this series. You do such a good job with it and deserve more views.

[@midnight-fox7456]

I'm so excited for the video about Eternal Punishment, this series is amazing.

[@WrenchNinja]

You have such a soothing and calming voice. Im just now going through these P2 videos, theyre incredibly thorough and well made. Great work!

[@SageofLight777]

*rubs my hands together in anticipation* Oooooh, this is gonna be GOOD.

[@Nebula427]

Great video as always. Thanks for all the time and work you but into each installment. I really enjoy them. You even inspired me to do my own Persona history panel at a con last year.

[@hummingwires]

Yeah boi, I was waiting for your take on p2, love the atmosphere of the first 2 persona games.

[@WhisperingPersona]

I just love your persona 2 content. I listen to them while I’m at work. Awesome for covering the Kudan rumor. A few months ago I ran into him while trying to get the legendary quest, and he stole all my ultimate persona levels. Not gonna lie ever since that happened I took a hiatus. But I was fascinated by the concept! I never even knew there were other rumors throughout the game. I missed a ton! But I loved hearing about them!

[@DylantheKnightOwl]

Another great video man, very thorough and well paced with great editing. I also loved the cameos of my fan art and our great powerful wizard St2ka! Lmao.

[@kamatovsky5694]

My biggest disappointment with the PSP version is the difficulty nerf. Only the final boss and Alice were challenging (I'm playing on "hard" difficulty btw) Still prefer the PSP version any day, mostly cause I don't have to listen to those japanese animu voices and that bland 90's menu design... just to prehistoric for me, man

[@SnicketySlice]

The Japanese voices are superior though.

[@Nobe616]

Thanks Snickety for taking the time to put together such a great analysis of the OG Persona games. Rumor has your subscriber count will go through the roof

[@argosfe7445]

So much work behind those videos. Very interesting!

[@CompletelyInadequate]

loving these videos man, can't wait for this on Persona 3 and Persona 4, keep it up

[@wille9915]

Very good work on this series keep it up

[@SuperWasabiking]

The quality of these videos is amazing!

[@daemon7013]

You, Nyarly, and Fither are the next gen of Persona/SMT channels. Thank god these old gems can live on through you all. I am truly grateful and gleeful.

[@spoopyghost815]

This deserves so many more views! You just got a sub! :D Keep up the awesome work!

[@manuelblack3743]

Great video dude. Persona 1 and 2 have unique charm, thing that the latest games don't have.

[@Alabaster-White]

Calling the older persona games dated and any game that is the easy way out. No piece of art just poofed into existence without some thought behind it. All mechanics of the older games were designed with the rest of the game in mind. Does it always make for the most pleasant experience that respects your time? No, but I like rpgs where the main appeal of the game is the battle system and finding different ways to fight enemies with characters. More and more games now have convenience in mind that it hampers a game having a learning curve or challenge. Quality of life designs while intuitive start to feel like they are shortchanging the game. Persona 5 gives you confidants that unlock perks the higher your bond with them, but to me they just felt like upgrades that reduced challenge in gameplay rather than making me more powerful to meet the next challenge. Also if your going to make me automatically skip battles against weak enemies why make me run into them in the first place? If I want to avoid fighting weak foes I will use an Estoma or a repel. Skipping battles just makes me feel like the game doesn't want me to play in the first place. I'm conflicted on this, but what's the end goal of the whole idea that a game has to be modern in design to be good? At this rate, it feels like the next decade games will just play themselves and any input by the player will feel "dated." I get that learning an older system is not everyone's cup of tea, but atleast acknowledge it's merits. You don't have to like it to do that.

[@nicola47]

i agree with you. i generally love more older games than the new one. i love persona 1 and persona 2 duology and i think that people should try playing their original version on ps1. i hate that the psp remake of persona 1 changed all the soundtracks and menu system. i find the original version more enjoyable with its unique art design and combact system witch isn't bad although the encounter rate is very high and became frustrating

[@percher4824]

This was definitely worth waiting half a year for.

[@00r99]

Damn bro your videos are so underated! Possibly the best videos ive found on the persona series!! Hope you can continue this awesome work!

[@LongIslandIcedChi]

This is fantastic! Such a well put together video.

[@FarelForever]

I've spend all of today with watching your videos, and my head starts to hurt from rethinking everything about these games!

[@goosetheboss1655]

Man this morning I was thinking how I really missed the ultimate persona compendium. You’re doing GREAT work.

[@caveirasemnomecomsobrenome4122]

eu estou 100% de PAUDURASSO valeu pelo vídeo cara

[@dralakba-dusk31]

ok...... ta bom né............

[@Trash-ramen]

Please keep making these i love them

[@SAVERIX27]

Awesome series! Can't wait for the other persona analysis ❤️

[@ironicpolis7798]

There will never be games like persona 2 innocent sin and eternal punishment.

[@lssjgaming1599]

I wish Atlus would make an Hd rerelease of the Psp version with the Japanese exclusive content but I know that’s unlikely which stinks as Persona 2 is my favorite game in the series

[@BBWahoo]

Based trantran

[@Imdippinout]

I actually kind of like Hitler with sunglasses. It sort of emphasizes just how silly the idea of Hitler being a villain is. Which also supports the plot of the game, because Hitler returning to a Mayan space ship due to paranoid rumors is depicted as being silly.

[@jouheikisaragi6075]

Also, obscuring his eyes like Kandori in EP. EP Kandori has a black void for eyes cause he's revived by rumors, the Fuhrer may have that now under the shades. It's honestly cooler that way when you realize most of the lategame you're fighting literal rumors, not demons summoned by them, not people affected by them, raw rumors tsking form because the world is so fucked up

[@sirwolfy9372]

I love the play1 distortion ost, but the psp made it MAGNIFICENT, both versions are excellent, the game that will test the time

[@dianybethvazquez1652]

Great work as always! I love seeing your persona videos. You put so much work and effort into making them and it really shines through.

[@killjoy516]

_"Let's go through all of them"_ Is a strangely intimidating phrase to hear.

[@LadyMisalein]

.. i just binged all those videos wtf.... ......... ............... Time to wait for more

[@ILUVDIS123]

Loved the video, just thought you were being so nitpicky about the changes like holy smoly

[@redhood7778]

We need more of these videos

[@bloodycrow01]

Ahhh, loved your analysis, as having played the first personas as well felt it is so on point it´s scary, from the psychological perspective to the more let's say fantasy aspects of it I agreed on everything you mentioned, always felt and thought that the initial persona games had a more darker side to them than persona 3 onwards or maybe it was just the ambience they created, hope when they end up releasing persona 6 they at least give a shot at going back a bit to that (though highly unlikely)

[@pablocastillo8667]

Thats a lot of info, great work

[@Messiah_Abel]

I'm loving this Ultimate Persona Compendium series!! Keep it up!

[@minh7320]

Now that I see this, I see a very similarity of P5 and P2 both in term of mechanic and story wise.

[@mado8153]

The battle system rework is hardly an issue for people who played the Super Famicom versions of SMT I and II by the sound of it.

[@Chocibunny]

This one felt so fast wow O: I could listen to you forever

[@tavynmay]

Yes bro I almost forgot about this series but I’m super glad it’s back

[@MagillanicaLouM]

WAIT I NEEDA BUY SHADES TOO

[@omegabolt2003]

Great video series thus far! Really excited for the Eternal Punishment Story Analysis video!

[@chainedmimic]

I know this video came out just a month ago, but I've subbed, just to make sure I don't miss the next part. I can't wait. I personally feel that you explain these very well. So I appreciate the hard work you do!

[@judgeeyejay2869]

The perfect thing for me to watch 100 times cus of the lockdown

[@PixelNeoGamerPlays]

I've been listening to your persona series in loop while playing persona 5 and persona 5 royal jp version.

[@Imdippinout]

Personally I think all of the nice little visual and audio updates make the PSP version better, even if it is at the cost of a slightly more clunky menu. Also hitler with sunglasses is cool and my mind cant be changed.

[@InsideSmoke]

I've been enjoying your videos and this one has helped me to decide which version to play and now i wont have that nagging feeling that i'm not playing the definitive version. Thanks for the very insightful videos.

[@gabrieldevoogel6225]

There should’ve been a Rumor Demon of Jun’s Father appearing as a malevolent ghost that’s a super boss only killable by first talking to him with Jun and lowering his guard

[@ChiefMedicPururu]

I do admit I love that it now has its own title screen music.

[@daehan8227]

Now honestly? I love Personas 1+2 the duology more than 3-5+Tokyo Mirage Session (lets face it: its more Persona x FE) Though I would love to see Persona 1 get something next year, the 25 anniversary of P1 is coming up. I would love to see a remake or a spin off at the very least albeit if its a metroidvania based on 1 or 2, Q3 with the casts of 1+2, anything. Just as long as Atlus give us something for Persona 1+2

[@CountXDracula]

Gonna be honest, I like the simple aesthetic of the menus in the original Playstation version of Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment more than what they did with the PSP versions. Also it seems like the special effects in battle on the PSP version look way worse and less impactful than the original version, like the original version the machine gun muzzle flash on Eikichi's weapon looks almost nonexistent in the PSP version if I'm not mistaken.

[@ils4844]

2000 was the end of the millennium, not 1999 but I digress.

[@jokerofthewildcardarcana1139]

soon my friends, eternal punishment shall hit us all

[@goosetheboss1655]

So ready for part 3! I know you’re busy but any time soon?

[@montyawol]

These are great, I can't wait for the next entry.

[@OldEnemy1]

As for the defense spamming exploit you mentioned when comparing the two versions you said it was so ingrained into the combat system that it couldn’t be removed but you couldn’t you just remove defending entirely. Sure Persona is a series that has defending as a option but I think this would remove the exploit. Although like you said it’s possible the developers intended the player to always use this tactic I thought it necessary to mention this in case it wasn’t.