Peter Pan & Wendy: No Happy Little Thoughts⎮Review

[@TheXdante23]

I agree with most of the video. The only thing I don't agree it's the interpretation of the original Wendy. OW was not a sexist portrait of women, or the movie trying to say "women can only be mommys". It was trying to show the importance of a mother figure. OW was precisely a contrast to Peter Pan. Peter was wild, so Wendy more level head, she was more reasonable and more kind. Being more feminine and more delicate is not sign of weakness.

[@DanielWoike]

I agree. The main point of Wendy's character in relation to the lost boys was about Wendy taking on responsibility. It seems like they completely lost that point in the remake and just made Wendy an action girl.

[@viheart]

I hate the sentiment nowadays that you have to strip away every aspect of femininity to create a strong female character

[@RoseBaggins]

So, basically ... Peter Pan (2003) was the only live action worth having as it had the best of everything. Followed by Hook as a fun sequel.

[@angiecakes04]

yep I think 2003's version was close enough the OG Peter Pan story and Hook aswell but Hook is kinda like a sequel cause yea one question what IF peter pan grew up that pretty much spells out a sequel

[@lindabrewer7929]

I personally disagree with the original was sexist. The point of the lost boys was they were immature boys who never wanted to grow up. Wendy at the beginning didn’t want to grow up but slowly got more progressively annoyed of the immaturity of the boys and leaned into a more maternal role and slowly started to understand that growing up is a part of life and isn’t bad. This also had an effect of on the boys realising that having a loving maternal figure is great and they want to return home

[@chrisb.1214]

Agreed, this guy's modern viewpoint on it as being sexist is not right at all, it's not what the original story was doing.

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

this is a fantasy. it has just as realistic of an ending as cinderella. boys / man children do not want to grow up and you can't make them/ ''love'' them into growing up. what they really want is you to be barefoot pregnant and subservient to their every need their whole life, you know, like a mother. it puts all the responsibility on the woman. guess whos blamed if he abandons her and her child/ is a dead beat dad? she is because she choose the wrong man.

[@lindabrewer7929]

@@GotoMaki4Micah I guess you interpreted the original movie much differently from what I did. Different opinions I guess :/

[@OpticalSorcerer]

Honestly, Mulan is still the worst to me--no music, different love interests, underdeveloped or rushed characterization, etc. The only remake that could be worse is if Hercules wasn't a musical or if they remade Pocahontas.

[@hibikuokudan]

Disney has already stated that Pocahontas is the only animated film in their catalogue that they will never make a live action adaptation of, due to optics (I wish others could be spared in the same way), so you don't have to worry about that one. On the other hand, they've said they want to "tiktokify" Hercules (whatever that means), and honestly.. that sounds worse than removing the music IMO

[@OpticalSorcerer]

@@hibikuokudan I thought Alan Menken was the one who said "Pocahontas" couldn't be remade. In any case, it's a smart play: either you're accurate to history and it's a COMPLETELY different story, or you appease the fanbase and risk angering the NA community and historians. Plus I'm reserving judgement on what they mean by "tiktokify." Honestly, I hadn't expected any music at all, but it's a blessing they're keeping it; Greek mythology is a frequent subject in Hollywood, so a musical definitely stands out. Honestly, with how awful Mulan was, making it a musical could've helped significantly, in my eyes.

[@hibikuokudan]

@@OpticalSorcerer I may be misremembering what was said about Pocahontas, either way we can be glad at least one Disney classic is spared. Also, fair point. Whatever "tiktokify" means could either be insanely fun, or insanely cringe, and until we see it.. we can't be sure. I'm just leaning on the side of cringe because that's how the live action remakes tend to be lol

[@OpticalSorcerer]

@@hibikuokudan The ONLY reason I have any hope is because AiW, TJB, and Cinderella were great remakes--largely (in part) to the gap in years between the original and the remake and the faithfulness to the original.

[@hibikuokudan]

@@OpticalSorcererI have to admit, those three were actually pretty good, especially TJB (I actually did really like that one). With Disney's older properties, there's more room to update them while still respecting the original, and TJB, Cinderella, and AiW all did that. Most of them don't, but I understand your hopeful outlook. While I may not be so hopeful myself, I do truly hope I'm proven wrong. Hercules is one of my all time favorite Disney movies, and I want to see it done well.

[@CalvinKalisto]

Dude, you should review the 2015, "Pan" movie. Which is a darker retelling of Peter pan's origin story. It's honestly genuinely good. Even if the story is kinda weak at times, it's still very original. And man, hook looks awesome in it.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

Gotta agree. Not a huge fan of the PP franchise in general, but this was a solid film--save for the whitewashing with Tiger Lily.

[@GrimReaperNegi]

Sy-Fi made a 2 part mini series, called Neverland. Which I think was a better way to tell the story.

[@kikiwhite_creates]

Stopped watching the movie after the 30-40min mark. It was just so uninteresting and boring af. Every character’s personality was butchered. Pretty sad how Disney is losing its charm and quality of life in its movies nowadays.

[@orangemarissa50]

Nana in the original movie makes me cry because the dad was so mean to her and then later the Darling children just fly bye and she's all sad they are leaving without her 😢

[@ThePrincessCH]

I'd say the original Peter Pan is less sexist and more childish, which is the whole point of his character. Adult concepts like mothers are foreign to him Wendy is the one who has to explain it all to him, and Peter made her the "mother" because she told him that mothers tell stories (something he listened to when was sneaking around the Darling house), so he acts like one of those male siblings in media who teases their sister whenever he's around Tinkerbell or Wendy because he's a child without parents. He does as he pleases because Neverland is his playroom, and his world only starts falling apart after Wendy starts to have a change of heart because his childish game aren't fun to her and she's ready to grow up. If you ever read the books, the language they use is pretty simple, and straightforward; kind of how you expect an innocent, docile child to talk, or at least how it would have been interpreted in the era it was written.

[@KarahKat]

they not in neverland, peter just flew them to Wales.

[@willowingwhispers2612]

I'm not sure Peter's actor is to blame for how his character is portrayed in this awful movie. It's clear his character was watered down immensely so Wendy could take the spotlight because "girl power". I'm getting so tired of these remakes that try to follow an agenda instead of telling an actual good story.

[@3brenm]

It's so patronising and boring, and it often feels like they're just moving the worst shallow male stereotypes onto women instead of actually exploring characters and traits.

[@jayswifty25]

Thank you for your sacrifice. I had zero interest in this pile of crap and now this video makes me not watch it even more now

[@igormendonca4026]

when you think these Disney remakes can't go any lower, they just keep digging

[@hunterrousseau3770]

Honestly I say it's time to a halt and end to anymore of these Disney Live-action remakes in the works right now if you ask me

[@marcusclark1339]

gotta disagree on that start, even the natives in the old one while inaccurate in culture and language, are never seen as dated, insulted or undervalued in the story, just inaccurate in their portrayal besides iconography the entire story was bad - same to maternal, that's not negative or archiac or dated - the importance of it in the story is that they lost boys don't have that, they don't have another women character to know those things cause they grew up in neverland, it is important - and yeah identity politics ruin so much of it, cheap progressivisms by a cheap race swap which is ironic its the silent character they chose to make black, cause they couldn't get away with it being Wendy (u know they would of if they could) but her one line on "being heard" pretentiousness - Wendy entire arc is modern feminist rhetoric in a world she wouldn't have that in and shows in her happy thoughts being a "modern women" thats not about maternal or even dating anyone just alone and materialistic accomplishments, basically propaganda that the only things that matter are to societal praise (an influencer basically) - Hook was ruined, people say it was good depth but they like the idea of the contrast not the actual execution, as said it was poorly done and again goes back to lacking a mother/the maternal bond but has no purpose cause Wendy doesn't want that so there's no point in that contrast to wendy - peter pan not allowed to be a hero in his own story, constant devalued, insulted, downplayed as the leader of his own group and doesn't beat hook on his own - lost boys ruined, entire point is dumb and fell out of their cribs but now everyone's dumb together, ruins the whole point of Wendy being there if there are others - taking all the kids back home makes no sense and just forces the parents to deal with kids they don't want and have to send to a orphanage where there lives won't be great anyway, why did they even leave other than Wendy sue decided it for them

[@katiesanders9158]

Mattlin hatter of ever after high I believe I’m allergic to never land? Or was it, Pirates? Sounds like the epitome of this film

[@wendystar2871]

Personally I think to understand this film properly you have to watch the original. This one can’t stand on its own. Plus none of the characters look like the original. Other then John and Michelle, they look pretty good

[@Loreseeker909]

I hate to be this person, but in the original story of Peter Pan, Hook WAS a former Lost Boy. In fact in the story it's very clear that Pan is far more antagonistic and borderline sociopathic. I recommend it honestly, it's a much better story than the Disney version.

[@felicity1877]

but not in the novel? what is original for you? its a theory with hook established in one movie...

[@Loreseeker909]

@felicity1877 The book based on the 1904 play called "The boy who wouldn't grow up."

[@SproutsHumanDisguise]

Never land is the land of the fairies, why would it be so beige and lifeless? So dumb

[@Ivy_girl201]

For me, I thought it was ok. The actors brought me out of the moment at times, but in terms of the narrative, it was average, for me at least. I also wish Peter wasn't characterised as the bad guy in one way or another, since he got rid of Hook, but on the flipside, it gave more insight on Hook's character and personality. The writers just didn't convey it in the best way possible. There were a few bits that actually got me slightly emotional, however, I still think Pinocchio was the WORST. Just my opinion :)

[@felicity1877]

same, but i dont think that peter was too bad guy, he was rather less heroic. also wendy is first a brat, and both learn lessons through thr events. the ending was beautiful. it was much less woke than woke peter pan adaptions usually are...

[@Ivy_girl201]

@@felicity1877 So true.👍

[@Jai05]

“It’s worse than Pinocchio” alright let’s not reach into the sun…

[@Dave-el6rh]

This movie is a drinking game.

[@Football_Lover-y8e]

Disney have fallen off 😂😂. Every film they produced in the past year was absolute garbage. Woke culture

[@ericgeddes3353]

This is the worst Peter Pan I have ever seen

[@AdorianDelmore]

This Hurts so mush! This was my favorite movie as a kid. This was my favorite cartoon movie as a child. peter pan live action 2003 was my favorite in live action.

[@Aria_Dragonneel]

6:20 - i only understand wendy instantly changing after a cannonball because I have siblings and we'd do that too. Also, i loved Peter in this movie and I think the movie was okay. I think peter's actor did a good job, and i cant really express how. but i did feel like peter was the true villain and hook was the true underdog hero.

[@SherloxPro]

Man he strapped two kids to a rock to leave them to drown are you alright mate

[@liamwalker877]

Hook 1991 goat

[@evaundertale2247]

Haven't watched the film but if this Peter is seeming more like a villian its cause i think thats how he is in the book. Peter always has been mean applied that he killed the lost boys when they got to old and more but thats why i don't have that much an issue with him changing much cause Peter from what i know of is just a asshole. I feel like if they wanted to make the film less sexist is just have Wendy not have one liners and just show her being strong not saying it. Sorta like with the lost boys they didn't need to point out their were girls in the group they could have just had maybe one of Wendys siblings about to ask and she shushes them cause like it'd be acknowledging it but also not seeing it as an issue or something to point out. Personally think they should have cut out Tigarlily and the tribe as a whole or make her be one of the lostboys instead of trying and failing at saying look were not like thus anymore. Also if they didn't have Tigarlily they could just have used mermaids helping fight. For the canon scene i understand why Wendy wants to grow up and leave but i think how they could have done it is have one of her brothers look like they got injured and Peter or one of the lost boys saying it happens all the time jokingly and Wendy seeing the danger or seeing that they are reckless without things to protect or take something like that seriously which would make her resolve to go back make more sense to the vier. Lastly i think if they were gonna develop captain hook in a more serious way make him still have some charm with his crew when the kids aren't around or have when he has Wendy kidnapped they have a heart to heart him admitting he feels bad for the kids its one reason he came back. Even if its for Peter and him never truly understanding eachothers reasons like Peters for wanting child wonder and freedom and captain hook being the one to see the worse of Peter for wanting to go back to see his mother. Maybe they could have shown flashbacks to well the childhood of him and then switch to events he took out of context with Peters own flash backs maybe telling Wendy about it. And of course bring back Sassy Tinkerbell sure have her not try and kill Wendy but maybe still have envy mainly cause she's convinced shes the only one to truely understand Peter and Wendy is butting in.

[@felicity1877]

yes, right

[@chrisb.1214]

Sorry, but I don't see being a mother or cherishing having a maternal influence in your life as being sexist. Every child needs the balance of a mother and father, both feminine and masculine role model to learn from when growing up. This new version of Peter Pan is just the modern day feminist/leftist take on all these old stories and fairy tales which Disney is happily doing.

[@evaundertale2247]

@@chrisb.1214 I didn't say take out her motherly side I ment they should add that and more like it's not a bad thing to have that but if they wanted to add to her character they could have done more

[@chrisb.1214]

@@evaundertale2247 Well, they certainly did take out the maternal persona that was central to her original character, and in this version just made her the usual empowered girl boss which honestly kind of made her boring now. This movie was terrible.

[@evaundertale2247]

@@chrisb.1214 I'm not defending the movie my comment states what they could of done. Not that the movie is good or that they didn't miss on alot of the things.

[@StarDreamsStudios]

The original of Peter Pan is not sexist and the fact you think proves you have no understanding of the story to begin with.

[@BigSplenda1885]

Thumbs-up changed to Thumbs-down once you started on the dumb line of “It’s [1953 version] extremely racist, and sexist, making a mockery of Native American people, and trying to re-affirm that the role of women is a maternal figure, carer, or love interest”.... NONE of that is ‘racist’ or ‘sexist’.

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

Sexism is linked to beliefs around the fundamental nature of women and men and the roles they should play in society. the og story re-affirms its the woman's responsibility to be maternal/ have children. it also puts it on the woman to be responsible for the man maturing. no thanks. we expect her to make great mature men and then we get to blame her when the boys and or their husbands dont mature, dont amount to anything, when the man cheats on her, leaves her and or abandons the kids. bachelors, dead beat dads or men who abandon their children dont get any scorn. men are responsible for their own maturity and life choices same as woman. if a woman chooses an educated adventurous life with many partners over being a broodmare. that should be celebrated not being labeled a spinster. after all, we praise men who do the same.

[@ThePrincessCH]

@@GotoMaki4Micah I always thought it was less about Wendy being a woman, and more about her being older. The premise of "Peter Pan" basically revolves around the idea of children growing up, and next to Peter (and potentially Tinkerbell), Wendy is the oldest one in the group. Adult concepts like "mothers" are foreign to Peter, so he interprets as a sort of childish game. As I recall, he treated pretty much everything like a game because he only ever sees himself as a child and Neverland is his playroom. It isn't until Wendy starts wanting to go home that his playroom starts to fall apart: the Lost Boys start to leave, his home explodes, and he nearly lost Tinkerbell. Wendy, on the other hand, is stuck in the place between being a child and growing up, and for the most part Peter's "games" become more than she can handle, so she chooses growing up over being an eternal child.

[@chrisedwards8476]

Please review the book thief

[@zoereynolds3745]

Dude they were trying to take a bit of the story called Never Never from the villains series that Disney actually considers cannon to be in the film but I do agree that Disney did fail at making everything flow in this film it felt like everything was rushed and there were a whole lot of knots that need untangling. I have seen a lots of movies that do really good or just ok on the backstories and Disney made this one just flop and teleport from nothing

[@phylesenavidad5714]

While this is not my favorite version of the story, there were some things I liked in this movie: the scene where Peter asked what a kiss was and Wendy giving him a thimble was a nice callback to the 2003 movie, and Wendy's happy thought - being able to grow up - was a nice touch. Also, are there people who pair Wendy and Tiger Lily together? because it feels like the movie feeds into that

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

of course it plants seeds for the wendy and tiger lily pair. its trendy to be lgbtq+ right now. i they cant do anything with wendy the way it was in the story if they want to make her an independent woman. she would not have any interest in kisses or telling bedtime stories to kids or having to be saved by him several times. in this movie, they made her know the stories of neverland yet tell peter neverland ''isnt what i thought it would be.' and get mad at him for the danger of pirates its just full of contradictions. after telling her she must never leave and insulting her wanting to grow up she still picks up and wears his acorn kiss. makes no sense. it wouldve lent itself well to horror if he told her what really happened to hook and she has no choice but to stay. i never saw any kind of bond between her and peter in this movie. it was so forced. all she did was argue with him slap him, then he still makes it clear he wants here there, like why? lol she was so unlikable, not at all what he wants or needs and shouldve known that from all his creepy eves dropping lol . in pans first scene he reminded me of the 11th doctor or loki. i didnt even mind him being a bad guy because og pan killed lost boys who got too old and the lost boys wanted to force wendy to stay. i expected and wanted a dark side. i dont blame hook in this movie at all. i hated wendy so much, i wanted hook to have his revenge.

[@Blokewood3]

The kiss = thimble scene actually comes from the original play.

[@Kruku666]

another checkbox movie ;/

[@henrymockingbird9645]

Peter Pan and Wendy is so not the worst Disney remake not when compared to stuff like Tim burton Alice in wonderland movies maleficent Movies lion king 2019 dumbo 2019 and Pinocchio 2022 and the little mermaid 2023 remake

[@thatminari]

Mit just worst remake, worst movie in general. I was left in huge disappointment after I saw this horrible movie , the magic is gone, the plot is gone, they didn’t have to change everything, it could’ve been nice if they left out the racist and sexist aspects

[@youthfulcurmudgeon3627]

0:38-1:00 Oh, take your woke identity politics and sjw virtue signalling elsewhere.

[@deniseoates7147]

I for one, want ot reclaim my time back. I as being black applaud when there opportunity for our kids to see themselves in roles that we only got to see whites portray growing up, but they have to be able to bring the acting skills, charisma and facial expression to the role. I am a big Peter Pan fan of the unanimated version but this for me was horrible. I watched it yesterday (kept falling asleep) and will not watch it again nor would it be a movie suggestion. The only thing that I like about the movie is the back story on why there is such hatred between Hook and Peter Pan and there are racial inclusiveness (bad part is the actors that were picked). This movie tried too hard on the political correctness and girl power it just lost the whole magic behind this original time period story of Peter Pan love for Wendy (was this actress like 16?) and which kept him coming back for her again and again, and her willingness to go. I'm going to put the major blame on the casting and script. The scenery was so drab and dark, even Tink did not glow. Tinker Bell had 2 expressions bewilderment and anger, and for a character that had a major language barrier did not use any body language (I hated her costume, heck hated them all). This does not come close to the 2003 non-Disney version directed by Hogan (I have watched so many times and that just in April) with Peter Pan (Jeremy Sumpter) and Wendy (Rachel Hurd-Wood) and Tinker Bell (Ludivine Sagnier) and Hook/father (Jason Isaacs). This movie was soo bad I had to rewatch the original Disney cartoon and the 2003 movie to get the bad taste out of my head. I am disappointed that Disney is so much into putting celebrity in the roles that not meant for them (like Tom Hank in Pinocchio). Mr. Smee was played by a really good comedian, and they did nothing with it in the script. First time viewing video on this channel, it was really entertaining. Thanks for sharing and blessing to you and all in the days to come.

[@felicity1877]

that#s happening when a feminism activist is casted as Tink, not a talented actress, and this is how the movie is...

[@lalaland23lalaland]

She’s the better part of the film ??? I’m done thumbs down 👎🏽.