Simple tips for lowering calorie intake and losing fat | Peter Attia and Derek MPMD

[@Hasmiral]

I am a 51 year old female in the middle of menopause, I succeed in eating protein first, at least 150g within 3 meals throughout the day. Saving calories turned out not very effective for me. I concentrate on clean whole foods, lots of salads, vegetables, potatoes, rice, chicken, some white meat and salmon. I go for the full fat yogurt and cottage cheese, burrata, to get satiated and it works well. I eat olive oil self pressed from Sardinia, daily walnuts and pistachios for iron. I only drink water and black coffee. No sweeteners, no sugar, if fruit, only berries, only whole wheat baked goods (and limited). Nothing processed at all except for whey. I reduced 10% bodyfat in 4 months only with heavy lifting 3-4 times (I did this all my life), walking 10.000steps and my nutrition. So it is possible to change body composition within menopause.

[@thinking-ape6483]

Dr. Attia; if you had said, I am wealthy so I have no idea what a cost-effective way of getting lean red meat is, I am sure many of us would have at least respected your honesty. After many years of listening to you the most important thing I have learnt is that health and longevity is the province of the wealthy and your frankly, asinine answer about hunting, to Derek's simple question, fully validated that view.

[@billking8843]

I started off thinking Attia and Huberman were good but familiarity breeds contempt. Derek I have respect for which is why I clicked.

[@billking8843]

@@johnman559 donkey-like.

[@jg5555]

Lol....for all his brilliance, Peter is a little bit disconnected from reality.

[@Themata]

​@@johnman559very stupid (also means you're a bit of an ass)

[@Yarniac]

I don't know where he lives but it could make sense in some contexts. When I was 7-8 years old, we were seven people living in a two-bedroom duplex in eastern Montana and we ate deer and antelope that my dad shot.

[@ihamburgerz]

A couple considerations from a farmer that raises both organic and nonorganic crops while also raising livestock for meat. Wild game is great, but you can't qualify if as organic as the wild game often eats crops right after they've been sprayed with active chemical. The crops themselves are often GMO as well. Nonorganically raised animals have grazing restrictions on crops that have been sprayed(often a week or even months), while wild animals often have access to fields while they are being sprayed. In such a case, nonorganic beef would probably be less risky than wild game even. Grassfed and Organic grassfed beef is a person's best bet as the food sources for the latter option are quality controlled to not have any GMOs or chemical exposure. After the costs of hunting and processing are considered along with the exposure I mentioned, I think that locally raised grassfed beef would be a person's best red meat option as it's cheaper than organic while also having at least some minimal grazing restrictions on chemically treated crops.

[@ihamburgerz]

Rather long-winded comment, but I hope it informs some folks that haven't considered this before as most people don't necessarily have direct knowledge of food production and/or sourcing of wild game. Granted, Dr. Attia may be referring to wild game in the Western U.S. with less crop production in the area(Wyoming, etc.), most US population centers where people hunt are near areas with arable farmland that is farmed conventionally(nonorganically). Thus, the herbicide and GMO exposure considerations are even more valid.

[@davidhollosi6115]

Right..I’m heading out to the streets of London tonight to hunt some elk…wish me luck

[@jedrzejkrawczyk9391]

Richmond Park non-ironically

[@joshualambert8346]

Trees don't require protein.

[@BrainGrapes]

Sitting in a flat in east London looking out my window for any elk… nothing yet, I’ll keep you updated

[@stevelegg9901]

😂😂😂…. That’s what I thought…

[@stevelegg9901]

@@BrainGrapes😂😂😂😂😂

[@M.Maximchuk]

Most people that hunt these days do not do it to save money. If you sum up the rifle/bow, ammo, training, all the gear you need, meat processing and storing - even Whole Foods bought meat sounds like a bargain 😂

[@brocklastname6682]

It's a huge time sink. and you may come home empty handed.

[@EdOConnor]

This 100%. This is such outrageous and ridiculous advice, like it's coming from Joe Rogan instead of Dr. Attia.

[@Art--Deco]

@@EdOConnor It's the Joe Roganization of all things podcasty. I am seeing this problem grow exponentially on social media, where it's become like a Feudal system of have's and have not's. You got regular folk supporting these guys by subscribing to them, making them famous by watching everything they do, donating their meager means, superchatting and patreon dollars, and then we watch as they tell us about their $5000 full body red light machine or $8000 infa-red sauna, which we lazy bastards could afford if we just learned to save a little better and dig through the couch cushions for change.🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@tihruytssgjjvsavcxtbvhj3429]

80% of people in rural areas already have the things needed for hunting. Our family was extremely poor, and we would get about 200lb of meat per year for about $100 in gas.

[@rileystanek]

Yeah, that suggestion seemed kind of dumb 😄

[@rachaelalbanese1851]

Great conversation guys! Regarding the lean red meats/game, I am so grateful to have been raised with a family of hunters. Venison was a staple in my family growing up. I’m one of 5 children and that’s how we rolled on a budget. “Where there is a will, there is a way.”- (my late Mama’s favorite quote 😉) Keep up the great work you both do in this health & wellness space Dr Attia & Derek. I appreciate you both ❤

[@farmersdotter7]

Budget friendly protein: “Just go hunting”. Please. You need a pickup truck at a minimum, maybe a quad too, the right outdoor clothing and equipment, the guns, the tags, the skill to take an animal and do the butchery yourself or pay an abbatoir to cut and wrap which isn’t cheap, the capacity to store the frozen meat, not to mention the capacity to take time off and also afford to travel to where the resources are. Nice to be able to have the $$$ and ability to harvest your own game but there’s millions of people who live in virtual food deserts who don’t even have decent public transportation to get to a decent store. You know what’s nauseating? It isn’t chicken, it’s privilege. Besides, even if everyone could hunt, you’d be fighting over the last cow elk because there wouldn’t be any left.

[@gocsa]

Me watching this, while eating my chicken and rice: "Well f*** you Peter"

[@farmersdotter7]

⁠@@gocsaRight? I’m Canadian, live on a farm in a very rural area. I grew up with hunting in the family and culture, I have the means and ability to grow my own food and have access to clean game, organic bison, chicken and pork etc. and and feel very fortunate. I found this advice to be tone deaf beyond belief. I’m actually turned off of this kind of content from people who are pathologically obsessed with longevity, mostly for their own benefit and have lost touch with the reality of the majority of people who could only dream of the kind of lifestyle he purports and absolutely couldn’t afford him as a physician. Living a joyless life through deprivation and daily micromanaging of every morsel compounded with punishing exercise to eke out a few extra years is (to me) ridiculous. There’s a happy medium where you’re not becoming a desperate freak trying to stave off the inevitable. It’s extreme, elitist and attainable for only the few who want to live in a sauna, chug back rapamycin and become unhealthily proscriptive with their diets to the point that they become a social pariah. Same with Rhonda Patrick, intelligent people who I’ve watched slowly lose their marbles worrying about losing their marbles and dying. I’m done with this noise.

[@tihruytssgjjvsavcxtbvhj3429]

Fake news. 90% of people in rural areas already have the things you mention for hunting. Our family was extremely poor, and we would get about 200lb of meat per year for about $100 in gas.

[@LifeThroughLizziesLens]

I tend to agree, just shows how out of touch these guys are with the people they claim to want to help. The initial point about food swapping was valid, but it devolved pretty quickly from there.

[@JGComments]

It's actually very budget friendly, assuming you already own a truck. Everything else is super cheap when you consider the amount of meat you get, and also that most of the things you mentioned only need to be purchased once. Lots of people hunt deer and elk and have them processed for personal use in rural areas, they are not rich by any means. Butchering requires skill and is time intensive but plenty of people do that themselves too.

[@dorknerd]

Going hunting isn't exactly everyone's cup of tea. Also you need an incredibly large deep freezer to store that stuff. Good food for though (see what I did there?) but I didn't feel like this was connected to strategy and prioritization. I did take away the initial suggestion that you simply replace things with lighter options that don't tip the scale to a different extreme

[@squashduos1258]

Scale that argument if everyone followed that advise…

[@LaughinLoneStar]

And most elk meat cuts taste like shite.

[@gocsa]

"Just go kill an elk and eat it bro" seems like a very out of touch recommendation lol.

[@The_Bri_Cli]

​@@gocsaagreed

[@tsiebertz1]

He doesn't actually expect people to go hunting, he is an investor in a company that sells venison sticks.

[@MD_COLO]

Hunting is not a cheap way to get your protein! Hunting does not guarantee harvesting. Public lands have been saturated with new hunters in the last 10 years, especially out west. This pressure has had a significant impact on success rates. Severe winters have drastically reduced the number of available tags, which is compounded by the number of people applying for tags. If hunting is your source for fun and recreation, then you can almost discount the time invested. To be successful each year takes a tremendous amount of time and research (planning, scouting, etc.). For someone that hasn’t ever hunted there’s a considerable amount of time you need to invest before you can even go in the field. You need to get your hunter education. You’ll need to get proficient with the weapon you choose to hunt with (bow, rifle, muzzle loader, etc.). This mean time spent at the range. I haven’t even gotten to the equipment one would need to be comfortable and safe in the wilderness. Now, let’s say you do put something on the ground. You need to know how to field dress the animal, or quarter it out if you plan on hiking any distance. Then, you need to process the meat. If you do this yourself, expect this to take a considerable amount of time too. If you take it to a game processor, then the cost can almost be as much as buying meat in the store. Again, hunting is not cheap, and it’s not a cheap method of sourcing your protein. People like Joe Rogan, Jocko, and a slew of social media influencers have created a big push of new hunters into the wilderness. Most of them have no clue what they’re doing. Many are unsafe and lack etiquette. Peter’s blasé and unconcerned messaging on this only perpetuates this idea that everyone and anyone should go hunt. It’s easy! Just do it! It’s not easy, and don’t just do it. For anyone interested in hunting. I welcome you. Do it respectfully and responsibly.

[@ClarkKent71]

Just stop eating processed crap. I swear these internet experts make things so more complicated than necessary. And as for going hunting that is the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard. These "experts" are becoming delusional.

[@Thegentlegoon]

The question was literally “how would you as a budget friendly person go about your protein with the most lean cuts” he answered with “one option…” i dunno why people are getting upset at his honest answer. There’s affordable rifles and cheap ammo to practice with. harvesting a cow is much easier than a bull.

[@ClarkKent71]

@@Thegentlegoon Where does a person with a small apartment in a city store the carcass? It's a ridiculous idea for 99.9% of the population.

[@Thegentlegoon]

@@ClarkKent71congrats you just proved you can’t comprehend the English language. I’m done with you.

[@ClarkKent71]

@@Thegentlegoon What a hero you are. You will be missed. 🤡

[@RoyalPurpleStar]

Totally agree!!! Couldn’t believe what I was hearing!

[@khanager2814]

Hunting is an interesting talking point but I really would have loved to see him answer the question for people who aren't going hunting regularly. Hopefully Peter can look at the comments here and take it onboard and have a real think about the most cost-effective way via a supermarket to get close to wild game (granted, it may still be more expensive, but it would be great to get an answer). I'm a big hunting fan in theory, I love the idea of being connected to the cycle of nature and having that respect for the meat you eat if you are an omnivore.

[@timoalger131]

Purchase from a meat processor.

[@rustinpeace7466]

One large (whitetail) deer will not feed a family for a year. My wife and I only eat venison and we go through about 2.5-3 fair sized deer a year. Elk and elk hunting is not widespread enough in the states to be a reliable source for most people.

[@justinhogue9861]

Elk are like 5 times the size of the whitetail in my area. With a doe you got enough meat for some interesting stuff like jerky and sausage. And some side hamburger meat. 100lb doe doesn't go far.

[@I3lindMan]

I'm not sure that I can agree with Dr. Attia on hunting being cost effective vs. commercial meat supply. If and only if you have access to a public or free place to hunt, and have all of the equipment and skills can it sort of get close to break even. That's assuming you're lucky enough to down an animal on that one trip. If you're travelling a long distance, the cost of fuel alone can offset the price of commercial meat. Hunt for the quality of meat and the connectedness to your food and what God has made for you, not to save money.

[@mlmoreno75]

Squils and rabbits

[@TR-zf6io]

“Hunting”. Attia is completely out of touch with reality for the overwhelmingly VAST majority of every day people on that one. ESPECIALLY people who are already struggling financially. If the goal is for a few thousand (maybe even a few dozen thousand) people to get high quality lean wild game, sure, go hunting. To facilitate TENS AND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people to have access to high quality lean meat REQUIRES factory farming. And that’s not even factoring in the cost.

[@thinking-ape6483]

@@TR-zf6io 100% The same with Rhonda Patrick and her personal sauna and coach that follows her around everywhere. What these people are really telling us is that health is the province of the wealthy and rich and the rest of us shlumps have to make do with decreased health and longevity. I almost could not believe Peter said that. He should have just been honest and said, I'm wealthy so I don't think about stuff like that, would have had more respect for that.

[@jakubchrobry3701]

Then we will get Dr. Attia and others use strawman arguments and pedantic points to criticize films like The Game Changers or You Are What You Eat, while they're suggesting that the general population should buy venison or hunt. Maybe someone can invest in deer and elk factory farms to feed the masses. Would factory farmed deer still be lean?

[@ClarkKent71]

@@thinking-ape6483 What they really want is for people to believe they need their "expert" opinions and products in order to be healthy. Its about their bank account and nothing else.

[@GailHarrell-mt9vw]

There is an elk herd that lives nearby and my hay supplier also raises angus cattle-all natural and no grain. The beef is nearly as lean as the elk meat. We are very fortunate!

[@michaelcullen1111]

Derek is right. Venison is dear.

[@Marcus-fu4xe]

This is such an unobtainable reality for like 99% of Americans lol can’t imagine watching this and not even living in North America.

[@Themata]

Let them hunt cake

[@MegaKrupo]

nice

[@RoyalPurpleStar]

😂

[@dhldt1021]

True 😂😂😂

[@joegoodwill5313]

You just go hunting! Does he have a clue how incredibly elitist that sounds? I love this guy but it took me a month to find the funds to buy his book! Hunting requires a vehicle, ammo, guns, bow! Many Americans live in food deserts. We are not sitting around deciding if we should drive our new jeep to the nearest Trader Joe's or the nearest jungle populated by elk!

[@Jinxo-md2jl]

I agree with this. For example I can't afford steaks so I have to buy chicken. It works out bc it has less calories. But I think we need to give him a pass, he's not trying to sound elitist

[@bush3636]

You sound pathetic.

[@bjarmas]

Well he’s a doctor for the super wealthy. He’s rich as hell now. He still provides valuable content, but yes he now comes off increasingly as elistist and out of touch with the reality of 99 percent of Americans. He now lives within a 1% echo chamber and can’t help but reflect his immense privilege.

[@KimberlyGilbertDC]

.....This video seems like it was supposed to drop on April 1st.

[@roykropp155]

Most of this chat is not "Simple tips for lowering calorie intake and losing fat." Not very useful "advice."

[@aamirnshah]

Clearly, nobody on the comments section has actually successfully lost weight. I did most of these on my last cut and lost 25 lbs.

[@Gref75]

40 kg/~80 lbs weight lost in 18 months. No calory counting, only low carb/keto. Cheers bruh.

[@anotherjewishsharpnicholas9425]

I've lost a lot of fat in the last several months, while also gaining a lot of muscle. Speak for yourself.

[@Themata]

Losing weight is easy, I've lost the same 20kg many times

[@unknownKnownunknowns]

I dropped and have kept off about 18lbs Since 2019 all by eliminating added sugar. 181lbs to 163lbs. Sugar is in everything - bread, sauces, etc. Course I have occasional birthday cake when the time comes, but no more cookies and brownies and all that crap. Plenty of no sugar bread at a bakery. Only plain yogurt. Also cut out honey and maple syrup.

[@xX_dash_Xx]

Saying you lost 25 lbs is meaningless unless you state how long that took you. 2 weeks? 2 years?

[@stevenyesrre3145]

Some of the best information tid bits and advice.

[@noli-timere-crede-tantum]

My wife doesn't believe me when I say that I need to buy a rifle because Dr. Attia told me it'd help me lose weight :(

[@johnlambert9447]

It is not cost effective for most people to hunt elk. Hunting is expensive. Unless you live where there is a lot of elk. Furthermore, there are not enough elk to feed a lot of people. They are a very limited resource. Come to Texas. We've got an all you can eat special on wild feral hogs. Plenty to go around.

[@timothygood5317]

Absolutely loved the idea of hunting! I would encourage all to take a firearm safety course and learn. Not only is hunting fun and rewarding, but it is great exercise as well. A few years ago I had an archery bull elk tag and for most of the 2 week hunt I was hiking 10+ miles per day at over 9000' elevation, and wound up bringing home a couple hundred pounds of grass-fed lean meat. I love teaching new hunters the ropes.

[@hobbyfarmer1452]

My father lived to 97. He was a math teacher for decades. Standing a lot was a feature of that profession. He never lifted weights, never jogged. He ate mostly plant based diet. He did not like snacks and sweets. He walked 2-3 times a day, 20 minutes per walk. Learned to use computer at age 80. Stayed current on world affairs. He was walking around the neighborhood ten days before he died. The only non-negotiable thing for him was the afternoon nap and going to bed at 9:00 pm everyday.

[@thinking-ape6483]

Longevity mostly comes down to genetics at the end of the day. Your father won the genetic lottery. We can only all hope to be so lucky.

[@jakubchrobry3701]

@@thinking-ape6483 To age 97 and older, yes. To age 85, longevity has more to do with your lifestyle. The average person shouldn't look at the extreme ends of the genetic distribution to make lifestyle choices.

[@brocklastname6682]

I'm curious what you father did for work. Did he have a physical job?

[@hobbyfarmer1452]

@@brocklastname6682 my father was a math teacher. He loved to use his brain, analyzing current affairs, learning new things.

[@nichtsistkostenlos6565]

Why would I assume the following?: 1. You're telling the truth 2. Your father wasn't just lucky (genetics, other factors) 3. That your father wouldn't have lived longer if he had lifted weights or did more cardio 4. That this matters and would be applicable to me personally I have never understood why people share their second or third-hand anecdotes on internet comment sections as if anybody is supposed to do anything with that information.

[@ReadingDave]

Does it make sense for the body to become adapted to a lower amount of calories under the regular maintence level of calories in order to get the benifits of lower calorie intake? Is the benifit from absolute amount of lower calories or is it relative to NEAT calories to benifit from the lower calorie benifit of longevity?

[@Anglo-EgyptianMan]

I live in a big city in a country where guns (even for hunting) are very very restricted, pretty much illegal. Where tf am I going to go hunting??

[@AussieGem]

The suite of tools for lowering calorie intake was interesting, thank you. But the comments section here is on fire! 😂 - the comedy has me giggling 😂The visuals of sitting by my city apartment window with binoculars, waiting for Elk to walk below. In peak traffic in Sydney. Time to get some kangaroo steaks from Coles!

[@JohnSmith-fn3hm]

anyone have the link to the video they were talking about?

[@disposable_hero2748]

Budget friendly wild meat! Yes! My bow is $3000, arrows $500 and my clothes were $1200. Not counting the hunting stand 😂 I did get two button bucks and have meat for the rest of the year. Idk if it evens out tho 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@drichi07]

A $3000 bow? Gotta say I have never hunted with one like that. I find those at around $300 work just fine.

[@disposable_hero2748]

@@drichi07 you can definitely do it without spending that much for sure. My first bow was a diamond edge max. Ready to shoot out the box for about $450. I only upgraded after this last season because I knew right away it was something I wanted to invest a lot of time in. I just got a Hoyt VTM 34 and mounted a garmin a1i pro on it. Such a fun bow to shoot!

[@nathanh4237]

Where tf are you buying that shit hahaha

[@dobcsek]

Also buying a house big enough to store a years worth of meat lol

[@Hyperbog]

Hunting was quite literally the opposite answer of a budget friendly solution. Unrealistic for most people to do. It's expensive to buy guns, bullets, the gear you need, have to usually drive long distances to go to hunting grounds, etc... You're not even guaranteed you'll get anything when you go. Poor answer to that question. Try answering that with examples from a supermarket or local farmers market or local fruit and vegetable patches.

[@dallas1love]

Attia lives in a bubble and only people of substantial means( including time) live there. At the end of the day, the downfall of his methods, is the time investment and $$$$ required.

[@thinking-ape6483]

@@dallas1love He certainly does and he has been basically advertising that health and longevity carry a price tag with themselves. If he had just said, I am wealthy so I have no idea I would have had much more respect for him.

[@dallas1love]

@@thinking-ape6483 I didn't mean to imply that I do not respect him. Quite the contrary, I respect him immensely. He has invested an awful lot of time researching and testing his methods, albeit in a way few of us could have. I also find him to be a highly reliable source of information. He is not crazy, and he is intellectually honest. He is not trying to sell anything he is not( thus I feel he is entirely genuine) Nevertheless, let the listener incorporate the ideas that he expounds that are practical and doable within their lifestyle and means.

[@dobcsek]

This! Also most people are working 40-50 hours per week and they are trying to optimise the weekend for spending time with family, rather than driving long hours to go on a hunt. And don’t even get met started on how much space you need to store meat for an entire year.

[@bradygrapentine139]

It would be interesting to hear Peter's thoughts about CWD in cervids. I've eliminated beef due to hyperlipidemia. It seems like cervids/wild game would be a good alternative for people with hyperlipidemia.

[@iblisthemage]

Triglycerides drive cholesterol a lot more and a lot more unhealthily than meat and the fats in them. Go below 20 g carbs a day, and your TG will drop, driving down IDL and VLDL, which are the real killers. Then add rosuvastatin on top, and get your body fat percentage belo 15% (male), or 24% (female). Do hard resistance training twice a week, one session of some form of high intensity interval training, and some low intensity stuff (walking etc). Your risk of CVD will drop massively. LDL correlates with CVD because of the Standard American Diet, but there is solid science showing that remnant cholesterol (IDL, VLDL, etc) is the culprit, and that LDL only is an indicater of this because it is high together with the larger particles on a SAD. Also important to get your hba1c in check, get blood sugar below 5% if possible. That might require lower body fat percentage, medicin, etc etc. But it is important.

[@Highcaloriegrappling]

Hunting is not budget friendly. Unless you're a skilled butcher. And even then barely.

[@dl1662]

Cow elk are not as easy to get tags for compared to bulls. However, if you do get a cow tag, they are easier and more abundant to hunt. This is by design since it takes only one bull to get a whole herd of cows pregnant, thus bulls are more expendable than cows, thus you are not allowed to hunt cows as much as bulls. At least in areas with population declines.

[@MrRobworrell]

Peter is obviously not a bunter

[@neontreefrog1]

Hunting making a comeback!! Who would have thought my dad and gramps knew what was best for ya.

[@mrawesomnable]

As a hunter, most deer would last a family 6 months.

[@infiniteworfare5089]

no it wouldnt.

[@mrawesomnable]

I'm leaning towards a larger deer since that is what he said but yeah most would be less. @@infiniteworfare5089

[@PoorlySoup]

The only thing that was exchanged here was eat less calorie dense food and learn to hunt.

[@magpiegirl3783]

👍🏻

[@coderlicious6565]

I tried replacing ground beef or steak with chicken breast, but then started suffering constipation from the insufficient fat amount. I think I need to cut calories in the carb area rather than trying to eat less calorie-expensive protein sources.

[@OurFamilyInMotion]

Several studies have shown that diet sodas actually increase daily caloric intake likely because they increase appetite. And recommending hunting as a "practical strategy" is a bit bizarre as hunting isn't the least bit practical for most people.

[@aamirnshah]

Please link any human studies. Most human studies show neutral or weight loss when comparing to water

[@bumpdaddyus]

That's not true but many people appear to make the same faulty assumption you are making. The studies that often show weight gain or fat gain associated with higher diet soda consumption are only showing a correlation but not causation. The overwhelming research shows that the reason for this correlation is that overweight people are more likely to drink diet soda than non-overweight people but it isn't the diet soda that is causing them to be overweight. It's their overall calorie consumption and expenditure (calories in, calories out). The diets and calories are not controlled for in these studies. When controls for calories are applied in studies, the actual data shows that people who drink diet soda are at least as likely to lose weight as those who drink water, and in some cases, it shows that those who drink diet soda actually lose more weight. Here's a video by Layne Norton that goes over some of this (he has several others) - kzbin.info/www/bejne/apfLc3Vsi7eLjs0

[@OurFamilyInMotion]

@@bumpdaddyusInteresting idea. I'll check out Layne's video.

[@dashroundaustralia]

Randomised human control trials . Note the human part . Diet soda does not cause you to eat more . Absolute keto carnivore bs

[@unknownKnownunknowns]

Yep I was gonna call out that diet soda, agree with you

[@chrisbell8418]

Switch to Certified Piedmontese beef. Some of it is leaner than chicken. They only use Piedmontese cattle which lack the myostatin gene. Many of their steaks and lean ground beef have between 0 and 16 grams of fat per lb. It’s not much more expensive than regular beef especially if you use a discount code. Mine is Boar 🐗 and I do not get paid a cent from them. I have been sponsored by them for 5 years and do it for the free meat…oh yeah it’s much more tender than prime beef because of its double muscling. 🥩

[@synthesizerneil]

Stupidest thing ever. Animal fats are not only incredibly satiating but they are incredibly healthy and full of nourishment your body *NEEDS*. You don't need to crazy stuff like only buy a genetically inferior bred cow. Just reduce your calories by restricting the time you eat - aka intermittent fasting. I genuinely do not understand why people avoid simple things that work, instead choosing to eat gross simulacrum. It's as dumb as vegans eating fake meat made from gmo soy.

[@The_Bri_Cli]

If you don't have money to buy lean cuts of meat, go hunt........... people that don't have the money to buy lean cuts of meat, don't have the time to go hunt and dress their game....

[@crystalprosise6647]

Agree Dr Attia! I have to eat chicken like in a stir fry. Mixed with something

[@bisquiteentrisket3518]

Nice Xbox ❤ Just picked and set up my Xbox Series X in preparation for the Elden Ring DLC. Thank you for the pro tips!

[@BartoniGaming]

It's a great idea peter but this isn't viable for most. Cheapest way is probably lean ground beef and eggs.

[@028fn48dne]

You got through eight and a half minutes and didn't mention FISH? Tilapia is cheap, very low calorie per gram of protein, and takes flavors well.

[@scottpashby881]

Noticing some really tense knee jerk responses and comments here fellas...take a deep breath..separate the wheat from the shaft and move on...both these Fellas have solid good info to pass along...inefficient tactic for most? Probably and lifestyle dependant. When blessed with the ability to choose..many of us determine that you cant hunt money...meaning we choose to live a lifestyle of self sufficiency..yes at a cost less expensive than sitting in yer cubicle over time but go broke buying hunting land..some of us being lucky enuff to build or dream home and farm and hunt the land and raise our Families to value those skill sets and calming connection to the actual world..and thats ok 2 rite...venison is our Families primary redmeat source..it binds us 2 the land..the season and one another every yr that we are capable and were blessed to grow and hunt together..and this gift of a short life is well..a limited time offer...lets have some deference..remember..the kind yer folks were tryin to teach u as children..be gracious and strong..God Bless

[@kondurutharun]

What’s that watch picture on the wall?

[@cle_roknn3742]

Hunting is not cheap. First you have to take a hunters safety course, then buy the license, then the large game tags. If your from out of state the price triples. Then get a firearm appropriate to the animal you need to hunt and the appropriate ammunition. Once that's taken care of you'll need range time to get proficient because you want to kill the animal not wound or miss it entirely. Then comes the fun of finding a place to hunt with a sufficient amount of game and without overwhelming pressure from other hunters. Private property is the easiest, most expensive way to do it, so a hunting lease which can run from several hundred to thousands of dollars a day or year. If you cheap out and try public land your now competing with just about every hunter in the area for the same animals and sometimes the locals can be highly territorial, which is a serious risk. On average a hunters in the US spend $2,000-$3,000 per year. If you kill one decent sized cow elk that's about 350 pounds of meat. That comes out to be about $7.14/pound and I'm assuming your going to butcher it yourself. Grass fed 93/7 ground beef is currently running 7.34/pound and all you have do was pick the package up from the store. Plus your going to have to store it so freeze it or salt preservation. The salt route is cheap, but definitely not healthy. The freezer is going to cost you more in electricity. I hunted for 2 decades, it was neighter cheap nor easy.

[@739jep]

What about getting your own egg laying chickens?

[@Thegentlegoon]

I used to eat Costco rotes sire chicken weekly and after i stopped for a few years i couldn’t even swallow it when tried again. Weird.

[@anotherjewishsharpnicholas9425]

I get 93% grass fed ground beef sometimes. That's very lean.

[@la998-t2w]

💯

[@JWB671]

93% beef has over 40% of its calories as fat.

[@anotherjewishsharpnicholas9425]

@@JWB671If you don't overeat, then it's ok. The fat will be used as energy.

[@Thegentlegoon]

The question was literally “how would you as a budget friendly person go about your protein with the most lean cuts” he answered with “one option…” i dunno why people are getting upset at his honest answer. There’s affordable rifles and cheap ammo to practice with. harvesting a cow is much easier than a bull. Anything worth doing will have a level degree of difficulty but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be properly attempted.

[@devilsadvocate7389]

Dr Peter Attia is so out of touch it’s not even funny… this is ridiculous segment.

[@synthesizerneil]

It's weird how he compares drinking diet soda VS eating some big dessert to avoid cravings. You shouldn't eat a big sweet dessert period first of all. But what's strange is how he talks about diet soda as if it's a totally proven totally fine thing to drink to help curb a craving. In reality, artificial sweeteners mess with your brain and your hunger, increasing your hunger overall and leading to more cravings. They've shown this in well designed randomized control studies. Not to mention how many of the artificial sweeteners are linked to cancer and banned in many other countries. The better suggestion is just flavored sparkling water. Diet soda is trash for people who think they can get something for nothing. Second of all, everything he mentioned as far as "tricks" to lose weight are unnecessary. All you have to do intermittent fast, compress your eating window. None of this eating terrible tasteless processed food with the fat content removed - the fat being one of the most satiating parts of the food. Eat real food that actually contains all the macros you actually need to feel full and well nourished. People are calling this bro science but it's worse. It's science from the 90s that's been debunked.

[@Brandon-el4bz]

Omg I did not watch this video just to hear you say go hunting as if every person lives in a place where they can hunt. Most people live in cities and have to work. People like you are so out of touch to be giving advice like this.

[@erikbakken5062]

One large deer feeds our family for one month. The whole vid is suspect. Whats up with this?

[@sultanulbaiazid]

Hunting is the best cause the animals are less stressed. Sure, they are only stressed by predators and hunters, every day

[@jimmytehgeek]

Peter does 8 2-hour workouts per WEEK. When does he find time to hunt elk?

[@AndrzejBMF]

Dont forget about 30 min meditation on the morning, reading in the morning, getting sunlight into your eyes and balls. 30 min bow and arrow in the mornign, then some rest, then maybe 1 h of work....

[@als239]

Love this, balance is the name of the game and red meat is not the end all, most is such poor quality its disgusting.

[@StoicJason]

People will spend hundreds of dollars on meat subscriptions for their family but not consider hunting or raising cattle their own. It would require moving away from the city conveniences.

[@calibby85]

True and that's not feasible for everyone due to jobs, schools, etc

[@WebDesignSocal]

Eat less, move more. Duh!

[@eliciareynolds9027]

I watched this video to find good diet swaps, not talk shop about hunting! Lol An egg white is more 17 cal per egg. Be sure though that you do consume some yolk with with the egg whitest, as pure egg whites can spike insulin and decrease protein absorption.

[@christineford9329]

How did dietary tricks turn to hunting?

[@Joy80JJ]

Buying all the stuff you need to go hunting is quit expensive. As is buying grass fed beef. Most people can not afford this. I am disappointed Peter Attia. This is a ridulous interview.

[@dobcsek]

lol these health experts are so out of touch sometimes. Hunting is not something that is a viable option for most of us.

[@lawsofhumannature2049]

Diet soda? Wtf

[@michellem434]

Right!? It's horrible for you.

[@lawsofhumannature2049]

@@michellem434 compromised✅

[@timdisalvio3572]

What about the cost of butchering

[@YanevAtanas]

You go hunting? Are you out of your mind ?? You are disconnected from reality

[@calibby85]

That's many peoples reality, hunting. You're just ignorant.

[@micahdunleavy9227]

Hunting is incredibly expensive to get into,, then once you get into it then you really start spending money and the odds of normal ppl killing an animal is not good.. I think the percentage Chance of getting an elk is around 20%.. 10% of hunters kill 90% of the game most ppl aren’t just buying a rifle and going out and getting an elk dude and if they do they probably spend A LOT! Of money to make it happen

[@markstuber4731]

Wild animals are "completely unstressed"? Never mind the wolves and grizzly bears elk constantly worry about .

[@mikefoster282]

Elk hunting? Are you kidding? Is this an April Fool's episode?

[@drchristianhamilton-craig9186]

Kangaroo Steak! Dude I know I’m in Australia but Kangaroo meat is the cheapest leanest cut available

[@michellem434]

Red meat hurts my stomach. I hate eating it.

[@Johnnysaintrizz]

Why the hate on fats?

[@aaronbailey23]

These are tips on methods to lower calories. Fat is by far the most calorie dense macro, so you make a bigger dent by lowering consumption of it. It’s not inherently bad, just makes a big impact based on your goals.

[@vladimirhorowitz]

Don't murder animals for your bodybuilding goals. Nothing masculine about intentionally causing suffering for other creatures so you can have lean meals.

[@calibby85]

This isn't a vegan channel so why are you here? Or are you one of those meat eaters that are so removed from your meat and doesn't deserve it

[@ZulfiyaB]

Hunting? Really? It's 21 century, and someone supposedly smart promoting violence...so disappointed with Peter. Not only that but him talking about eating and affording high quality meat...well good for you of course but you mostly talking to an average American. He does have an arrogant attitide in general. Unsubscribe...

[@AndrzejBMF]

Hunting? Peter, you are completely out of touch with the reality. You became a snob elitist.

[@playgroundsTV]

amurican and guns...you should look over what they do in Switzerland or other places in the world. Get out more.

[@AndrzejBMF]

This is what happens when you are snob and you became wealthy.

[@nancywilkins5304]

PLEASE don’t tell me you’re pushing the “calories in- calories out” theory of weight loss. No no no. Our bodies are much more complex than thermodynamic machines.

[@04m6gto]

That's literally how it works. It's simple physics. A calorie deficit doesn't necessarily mean healthy, but it's physically impossible to lose weight without one.

[@adamsidebottom5023]

Oh i get it. Lots of rucking over uneven surfaces...i see what you did there Attia

[@adamsidebottom5023]

The book is great, but I guess when you do 10 video interviews a week eventually you're gonna say something stupid. Take this down Peter or you risk your whole body of work being reduced to a meme or ridiculed sound bite. "health expert says the best way to lose weight on a budget is to get a gun"

[@bobcarrera3858]

Very disappointing. Dr Attia let his macho hunter ego get in the way of practical ways to lower calorie intake and lose fat. This is the first time I've experienced one of his guests making more sense than he. Still a big Attia fan, but the first rule of public speaking and giving advice in general is know and speak to your audience. I doubt many of us are hunters, Dr. Attia.

[@thinking-ape6483]

It's not just that, it is the costs. Hunting is actually expensive but he proposes it as a cost effective way of getting lean red meat?

[@bobcarrera3858]

@@thinking-ape6483 Good point.

[@justinboudreau6544]

He knows his audience very well! Animals are delicious, keep your wokeness to yourself!

[@StoicJason]

I already have a deer rifle and ammo. What other cost is there?

[@AlohaAloha-f2v]

@@StoicJasonserious question? Labor? Not to mention the costs up front you paid for the rifle and ammo.

[@NextLevelFitness7]

Seriously …. I was on board until you mentioned hunting? Be for real

[@pauly2505]

Kangaroo steaks , 20gram protein and 1 gram fat for every 100grams

[@angelikakollin28]

An entire video filled with bad advices. I am watching the same Peter Atila that I consider a most important voice in longevity and health? Disappointing

[@ladev91]

What is bad about talking about ways to lower calories and becoming leaner?

[@nanox25x]

What is bad advice? Please enlighten us

[@Gref75]

I think I know what angelika means. As a Attia fanboy I have to admit he often talks weird things when it comes to nutrition. But he said himself that is not his main area of expertise. Focusing mainly on calories is one of those things. I lost 40kgs / 80lbs of fat and not even once have I counted calories. Why? Because with insulin resistance its not about quantity but quality. I lowered my carbs and RAISED my fats and protein and lost weight. Before that I could literally eat like a 200 grams of bread with cheese twice a day, excercise daiky and not loose a pound. Thats how insulin resistance works. You’ll eat but your body will starve because insulin is a key to your fat cells, its a sign to gain. I eat more calories than I have in years and I loose about a pound a week. Dont get me wrong, caloric restriction is a way to loose weight. Its just not the only one and most certainly not for everyone. Find me a diabetic or highly insulin resistant person and try to shred him with high carb low calory diet, you’ll see what I mean.

[@HmmmVeryCurious]

​@@Gref75what was your methodology beyond shifting macros?

[@Gref75]

@@HmmmVeryCurious to be honest I tried to loose weight for about 15 years, my whole life since middle school. When I was 22-24 I noticed I can eat less and less, excercise more and still not lose a pound. But when I ate something like pizza, sugars etc, I gained fat like crazy even week or two after I ate that. I learned about insulin resistance but undortunately I put all this to use in 2022 after I was so fat I basically couldnt ride a bike, not to mention running etc. I was 153kg, probably 300-310 pounds? Imagine people moving from you in a bus in the summer assuming you’re gonna stink... Low carb is the way for me. I dont care about calories, just macro. I eat about 20-70 carbs a day. Low carb, low cortisol. So no gym, just low heartrate excercise, but long. Effect? No more after-meal brain fog. No more cravings. No more eating for entertainment. No more eating to feel good. I cut out fastfood (except kebab, but I throw out the bread/tortilla and eat only meat and salad). Im still 113kg so its work in progress but its different life man. Actually I bought a mountain bike yesterday for the first time since I was 16 (now 32) As I said, Im an Attia fanboy. That man made me love excercise and I will love him for it for the rest of my life. Sorry for the edits, Im not native english speaker.

[@MrQuadcity]

The conversation between Peter Attia and Derek (More Plates More Dates) focuses on practical strategies for reducing calorie intake and losing fat, drawing from techniques used by bodybuilders. Here are the key takeaways: 1. **Bodybuilders' Approach to Dieting**: When bodybuilders aim to get very lean, they often employ extreme dietary strategies that may not focus on micronutrient density. Their goal is to maximize protein intake, ensure sufficient carbs to fuel training, and maintain enough fat to avoid hormone suppression. 2. **Calorie Restriction Tricks**: The discussion includes several tricks for appetite suppression and calorie restriction, useful for those looking to lose weight without adopting a full bodybuilder diet. These include: - Using diet soda as a low-calorie alternative to satisfy sweet cravings without the high calorie count of sugar-laden desserts or even some "keto-friendly" treats that may still be high in calories. - Substituting high-calorie foods with lower-calorie options while maintaining the same volume of food, such as choosing chicken breast over red meat, or opting for fat-free Greek yogurt over its full-fat counterpart. - Adjusting portions of specific food items, like mixing egg whites with whole eggs, to reduce overall calorie intake without significantly impacting taste or satisfaction. 3. **Lean Protein Sources**: The conversation also explores strategies for obtaining lean proteins in a budget-friendly manner. Hunting is suggested as an unconventional but effective way to obtain high-quality, lean meat like venison or elk, which can be more cost-effective and healthier than purchasing farmed meat. 4. **Health and Ethical Considerations of Hunting**: Hunting, particularly with a rifle, is presented as a humane method to obtain meat, assuming the hunter is skilled and can ensure a quick, humane kill. The discussion acknowledges the initial costs of hunting but argues that it may be economically favorable in the long run, considering the quantity and quality of meat obtained. 5. **Impact on Taste Preferences**: Both speakers note how shifting towards higher-quality, lean meats like wild game can alter taste preferences, making it difficult to return to lower-quality or farmed meats. In summary, the conversation covers a range of strategies for reducing calorie intake and sourcing lean proteins, drawing on practices from bodybuilding but adapted for a general audience. It highlights the importance of choosing lower-calorie alternatives, the potential of hunting as a source of lean meat, and the impact of dietary choices on taste preferences and health.

[@Marlowill44]

Folks said go hunting 😂

[@_baller]

I’m sure any keto “treats” are loaded with fake sure anyway

[@calibby85]

Ppl losing their minds from a SUGGESTION to hunt lol. Yes weknoww not everyone can easily access i, but some can , or know someone who can. Calm down seriously.

[@Bryant201]

Mpmd got famous by talking s*** about other people on his page. All he knows is bro science. Get real man.

[@AnnaLevesque74]

This is pretty ridiculous.

[@aftermathmotomxrc]

All 8 minutes?

[@gwwelch]

Why?

[@NickSwitzerMMM]

Not in the way I expected

[@timmygolfs]

Love your content but you lost me at hunting.

[@jerrybrazie3266]

Entitled much? The lack of self awareness here is brutal.

[@MemoryAmethyst]

Over the top stupid advice. Hunting is an expensive hobby. It’s time consuming . Stop eating so much by simply eating real food cooked without spices, sauces or enhancements. You will naturally stop eating when you are full because you won’t be enticed to overeat as much. Never eat at restaurants and chose organic over conventional. If it comes in a box it will put you in a box sooner.

[@rainforestblessed5031]

Always trying to reduce my youtube subscriptions. You do you peter. I'm unsubscribing. Happy hunting :)

[@personalsigh]

This is some of the worst advice I've ever heard. From drinking diet drinks that have been shown to increase sugar cravings because of their insane sweetness and absence of any resulting calories plus the damage they do to your gut microbiome and also blithely stating Elk hunting is a viable way to get cheap meat. Stupid all round

[@matiasalejogarcia1354]

What a ridiculous advice.

[@ananavarrete7218]

😢hunting 😢