In search of the MODERN AUDIENCE 2.

[@kendrom]

Storytelling has gone from, “What kind of story are we gonna tell?” to “What kind of story are we allowed to tell?”

[@chasehedges6775]

Sooooo true

[@chasehedges6775]

What a sad world we live in

[@chasehedges6775]

From good storytelling to making products

[@8bitneslife1985]

THIS

[@oriongear2499]

If I were a writer in this day and age, I'd tell the most "problematic" story possible to troll these woke weirdos.

[@gilgamecha]

Whether this is push or pull is a good question. I think "modem writers" are just projecting their own views onto the "modern audience". Wrongly.

[@eba9121]

Is it a shock that most are single women in their late 20s or 30 something who have no problem bashing men because they ain’t got one?

[@gilgamecha]

@@eba9121 nope.

[@Gundam4]

​@@eba9121no

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

Yep... and not just the writers, but the directors and showrunners, too.

[@clogs4956]

Of course! Preaching Chastity was once suggested as a means of Reducing the Surplus Population. Since that’d not work today, extending the period where the two sexes hate each other from childhood into middle-age should serve instead.

[@shamancredible8632]

They think I'm part of their modern audience, what they don't realize is that I still have testosterone.

[@KAZVorpal]

They're terrified of sexual relationships because of the horrific environment of their school systems, which teach them that sexuality is a minefield of new taboos, guilt, and the idea that every healthy drive their body conveys to them is somehow wrong and dangerous. They can't engage in normal courtship, because it's stalking. They are required to explicitly ask for permission to hold a hand or kiss, which is even more terrifying to an adolescent than just trying it...which we can recognize from our own teenage qualms about asking a girl to the dance, or a non-date to dance. They are rewarded for divergence, not normal and healthy drives and sexual interests. In fact, they're told those aren't normal. They are told that boys and men are bad...unless they have vaginas.This will make both males and females uncomfortable with their natural, hetero sex impulses. And then there's the lack of satisfaction that tends to come from dating apps. That will just reinforce the problem. ALSO: This applies to the destruction wrought by the Me-Too movement, as well. That leaves both Hollywood bureaucrats and children who gullibly took that nonsense seriously terrified of anything sexual or romantic.

[@kevinkorenke3569]

Or, hear me out. Today's audience simply has moved on from 80 and 90s style gratuitous sex scenes for entirely different reasons. In my youth, the news that I was about to be a parent usually meant that we were simply going to have to update our plans, change our lifestyles a bit to accommodate a child and so on. Today an announcement like that can be earth-shattering as now you have to figure out where in the hell you're going to live because you can barely afford the apartment you are in in the first place, is your kid going to be involved in a school shooting, looking around and seeing the messed up world that kid is going to inherit and you start to see that intimacy and procreation end up having more baggage than benefit.

[@Jhunta]

​@kevinkorenke3569 no. that's a weak take from a weak mindset. maybe genZ is sexless cuz they have earth shattering low T and are inundated w infinite streaming hardcore pron. meanwhile it's kewl to have some bizarre fetish kink n straight males are constantly told they are toxic n if they make a mistake, their lives can be ruined. females are told they don't need a man n men are dangerous. genZ is sexless cuz they are a guillable, propagandized, weak, coddled trophy generation addicted to staring at black mirrors all day.

[@kathycoleman4648]

@@kevinkorenke3569 If it was merely a kick back against sex I might agree with you. But it's not asexual, it's aromantic, which is on a completely other level.

[@dennisrounds1996]

💯

[@KAZVorpal]

@@kevinkorenke3569 That is no more true today than it was back then. You are conflating your own individual experience with society at large. YOU happened to be in a situation where a kid wasn't a disaster, but all along plenty of others were in the opposite setting.

[@speedycerviche2380]

I would interpret this as, kids being tired of weird sexual fetishes, constantly pushed on them as relationships.

[@denkerbosu3551]

This. Hook up culture ruined sex for most.

[@spencerbookman2523]

The obvious flippant response is, "Don't knock it till you've tried it!" Though, I would submit that what is "weird" for some relationships might be less strange, let's say, for others. Given all that, I probably would enjoy a well-written platonic relationship just as much, if not more so, than the "will they/won't they" sexual tension in a lot of TV from my adolescence. There doesn't seem to be a lot of good writing in pop-culture programming these days, however. I think that's the point.

[@DoctorInk20]

Agreed. Honestly, I foresee a desire for classical romance and sustainable, long-term relationships. That and not needing to plaster it everywhere. Pretty positive, if you ask me.

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@DoctorInk20 oh, that desire is there, but not in the youth. The boys gave it up and the girls won't want that until they hit 38 a d are "ready to have a child" Yes, a child when almost all her eggs are gone.

[@cmbjive]

I can attest to this view personally. When I was talking about Barbie with my daughter and my wife, I said it would have been much better if Barbie and Ken reconciled and fell in love again. My daughter and wife scoffed and said the movie didn't need that. I countered that it did as a lot of modern movies are lacking a showing of traditional heterosexual relationships and are oversaturated with homosexual ones. They thought I was wrong, and I asked them to name some movies or TV shows which really depicted heterosexual relationships. They both fell silent (my daughter tried to mention Disney, and I said don't even go there). A lot of GenZers are confused about human sexuality, which is precisely the intended result the LGBT movement wanted.

[@CallMeChato]

Right on

[@RERM001]

I don't know what is going on in Amerimuttland, but elsewhere people, and specially teenagers, aren't that abnegated or ostricised in terms of sexual development. The only ones that are more or less like that are some asian or africa puritan groups, but even they are somewhat of a loud minority. From my point of view, I think that the real issue in the US is that there are a lot of confusing messages to teenagers about what sexuality really is. Sure, it is very useful to understand the basics of consent, especially given how often some teens might get confused by the pornographic depictions seen on some parts of the internet. But that is just how you start! These teenagers probably don't understand that while it is necessary to get consent from your sexual partner, it is also necessary to be open about your own needs. It is a straight forward relationship, not some wicked SM relationship, you can also tell your significant other that you need more attention in that regard. Here in Mexico, specially in urban areas, sex is seen as a social necessity since procreation is highly regarded in society, and let's just say that there isn't any better way of creating more humans than, you know, sex. Sure, in more traditional, rural areas, there is less of an acceptance to said things, but even there they understand it and act according to their beliefs and experiences. Knowing better recently released two videos in which he explains how a bunch of insane vegans created this abnegated nonsense, something that was later claimed by the usual suspects in christian fundamentalism, but regardless, it seems like the puritan inheritance of the US clearly has kept it somewhat isolated from the real sexual needs of the people. So, in the end, I really doubt that the LGBT community (a very big thing right now) is to blame here. This is clearly a swiss cheese problem where misplaced moralities and historical issues regarding sexuality are to blame. The solution? Well, just talk to kids and make them learn the reason for why sex is needed in life, specially since there are a lot of issues in modern internet sites which basically allow for the endless abuse of kids in search for slightly bigger profit margins.

[@md_vandenberg]

@@RERM001 Was the use of "Amerimuttland" needed? There are sane people in this country. Call out the freaks, don't lump us all together.

[@sarahrobertson4629]

Barbie was never in love with Ken to begin with. She basically ignored him. And Ken had no life of his own. Most of the other Barbies were in hetero relationships and remained in them, as was the woman in the real world who was giving Barbie an existential crisis. Barbie and Ken decided in the end to focus on growing up rather than being with someone in their current state, which is hardly anti-relationship. So I'm not sure why you think Barbie was lacking in heterosexuality. It wasn't about heterosexual relationships. It was about growing up. Maybe you weren't the target audience. (I don't watch much, but there were plenty of heterosexual relationships in Shadow and Bone and in The Witcher along with the gratuitous homosexuality and BDSM. There were plenty of heterosexual relationships in Game of Thrones, too, along with the gratuitous stuff. Maybe you just notice the homosexuality more. It can be quite exhibitionist. Look at us! We're ticking boxes! So annoying. I don't blame you for not liking it.)

[@RERM001]

@@md_vandenberg Ok, fine, maybe it was too harsh. On second thought, no, I didn't went far enough. The US has recently shown to the world that it has deep societal issues. Sure, they may say it's only a few bad apples, but they do spoil the rest in everyone's world view. I am not a wumao or vatnik to say that those sh!thole countries are better, 'cause god knows they truly aren't, but to say that the EU or the US, the supposedly better countries in this world aren't failing to their societies would definitively be an understatement. I mean, Mexico may be quite the hell hole, but everyone here has been admitting it since as far as I can remember. I just said something true, don't get mad at me for that.

[@mattshuey1]

The desire to downplay any romantic angle is just as goofy as trying to play it up too much. Modern characters rarely act like people now. Sabine and Ezra is a perfect example, their reunion was so devoid of passion of any kind that it made them look broken somehow. It becomes hard to relate to characters that don't act remotely human.

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

And when they don't act human... or when they aren't relatively consistent with their own established character... then the movie/show becomes actually bad. Which is one of the reasons that woke shows = bad shows.

[@leedunning1825]

Agreed. They didn't even act like good friends who hadn't seen each other in ages. You don't have to be sexually involved to find delight in being reunited with a cherished friend. A hug isn't innately sexual. A few tears to discover someone is alive and well isn't out of place. Hell, Vulcans from old Trek, who purposely suppress their emotions, convey feelings in a more believable manner.

[@ihaveterriblerolls9531]

I find the claim that my generation wants more platonic relationships and friendships between characters humorous. Because I remember loads of that stuff in media growing up. Frodo and Sam, as well as Spock and Kirk, come to mind. What happened to these sorts of relationships. A bunch of weirdos declared they were "clearly" gay.

[@ShaggyRogers1]

Yeah, I truly wonder where they are getting their info from when there are entire online communities dedicating to "shipping" certain characters together as a relationship. It isn't that they hate the idea of relationships on screen, they hate that they can't self insert into said relationships.

[@als3022]

Honestly I saw recently them making all friendships between men into gay relationships. Annoyingly.

[@HanakoSeishin]

Kirk had a new girlfriend every other episode, so that had both kinds of relationships.

[@georgeb7756]

Someone on twitter said they are gay. Oh my God that means that everybody thinks that.

[@Green-HairedAnti-Liberal]

Me: *casually takes drink of coffee while listening* Chato: "At least give him a blow job..." Me: *barely holds back from spitting coffee out while laughing* 🤣🤣🤣 Lol thanks for your entertaining insights!

[@timothy6936]

That was hilarious

[@Honeychama]

I was howling 😂😂

[@justinrodriguez5957]

Me when I heard that: "Let me get this straight, this woman looks at a recording of this man often, essentially sells out the galaxy and leaves her master for dead to see him again, and you're going to tell me that was purely on platonic emotion? Hell not even platonic as Sabine in Ashoka doesn't have emotion. You are telling me she does ALL OF THIS and the first thing she does not do is jump said man and make such a show right in front of the crab people they move from the sight and sounds of it? I call sooo much bullshit and the persons who wrote that have no idea on how human relationships work."

[@IndyDefense]

​ @Tracchofyre Yes! I expected him to drop to his knees and eat that thing like a Hollow-cost survivor at a buffet, resulting in what's known as subspace levels of pleasure on Sabine's part.

[@noahheninger]

In all fairness, she did most of the work. He should have to go down on her.

[@dennisrounds1996]

“They’re not looking for True Love or to be saved by the Prince but to becoming the leader their Father told them they could be be if they were :honest, fair , brave and true….” 😂

[@robertbeisert3315]

The same words in every Disney film, too.

[@lekhaclam87]

Weird, weird, super weird.

[@JonoFunk]

I can boil it down to a simple truth: Miserable people hate seeing others happy. Portrayals of traditional romance is a reminder of what they are missing. 🤣 There's a beautiful anime called "My Happy Marriage" that my GF and I absolutely loved watching together on the couch.

[@stevesamuals2651]

Ahh yes, because it's much less toxic to have a women beat, overachieve, gloat, and punch down a man in a money only relationship, then a man and women mutually finding affection in each other till they die in an embrace

[@jstoffer111]

I have said for some time now that years of Nihilism out of Hollywood has made audiences hungry for sincere depictions of love and romance. The first studio who figures this out will run away with the box office.

[@knightheaven8992]

Absolutely

[@denkerbosu3551]

Depends on how much the modern female audience will delude itself into thinking they deserve it, or how much the male audience will want to off themselves for knowing they won't get it.

[@Pulmonox]

It's not that they're trying to 'convert' us... they just thought that their way of thinking was VASTLY more popular than it actually is because they've done nothing but hang around like-minded individuals for the better part of the last 15 years. They thought 'the general audience' was actually just like them, and would appreciate their way of writing and doing things because all the fanfiction they wrote as a teenager was always so well received! Of course everyone else is going to like it! The annoying people who think otherwise would go away but the majority of the populace would stick around and reveal themselves to be in perfect alignment with these ideals. The fact that they are discovering that not only do the majority of people NOT see things their way, but actually align a lot closer to the group that they've been screaming are hateful, ignorant bigots. This thought chafes them like a cheese grater in your underpants.

[@AAjax]

I disagree. They hate the general audiences and are giddy to "subvert expectations". The "updated for modern audiences" line they throw out is newspeak for "this isn't going to be the thing you troglodytes liked." Whenever they say "this property failed because of the awful *ists and *phobes", the unspoken subtext is "the majority of the general audience are *ists and *phobes." Don't kid yourself. They don't identify with general audiences one bit.

[@evanflynn4680]

They forget to look outside their bubble. As you said, when everyone they interact with agrees with them, it skews their views on what is actually the "normal" view. This isn't even a left/right issue. Because there are a hell of a lot of people on the left who would agree with them on political and social views, but actually want entertaining content in their movies and shows, instead of trying to be sold a message wrapped in a poorly written script. I'm one of them. Mostly because the political system has skewed right so far that being on the political left is pretty much centrist. Wanting affordable healthcare, an increase in the minimum wage to a liveable wage and a government that isn't completely in the pockets of corporations and special interest groups? That's not exactly calling for communism and the end of capitalism.

[@silentrob668]

oh wow that is a simile of the ages right there.

[@kuna129]

:) Depends whom you are calling "they." Slut-brains definitely not - they just repeat what is written on the current card inserted in the slut it their brains. Those who sponsor the destruction of Western culture? They don't want to convert you, they want you gone. Like Hitler did, except he wanted it to happen in his lifetime. Current hitlers are good if your population would have 10-20% less children in the next generation.

[@robertpearson8798]

The new Puritans is a very accurate way of putting it. The woke movement has started to remind me of the French Revolution and the Reign of Terror that followed, albeit in a far more bloodless form. A movement that began in order to change many things that were ripe for and deserved to be changed transformed into a mob mentality with a thirst for punishment for even the smallest perceptions of misdeed. Fortunately the guillotine has been replaced with the much less bloodless cancel culture.

[@als3022]

Oh they still use violence and still blood, just less of it because the new Puritans are more cowardly and go for easier victims.

[@The_Ballo]

I've always called them leftist prigs, although I'm coming to realize that they're no different than the right wing prigs that wanted the Simpsons off the air.

[@guyincognito959]

@@The_Ballo Yep, it is a comparable mindset. The exaggeration of their own person. Of course, that seems like a necessity when you watch others talk about things publicly (online) all day...

[@noahheninger]

Bloodless for now.

[@jeff-crankyxer1931]

MeToo being a good example. What was born out of a deserved change in dealing with big execs is now used as a weapon by women especially in the workplace. And the funny thing is these same women then start asking "Why won't men approach me?" 🙄

[@jlovebirch]

Since the 50s, each new generation of teenagers has been bitterly criticized for being overly promiscuous and wild. So ironic that today it's the opposite.

[@n.d.m.515]

The very opposite actually. The Millennial and Gen Z Hookup culture is the very height of promiscuous. What this is describing has to do with the mixed signals of be wild while at the same time men are evil and should follow strict social rules just to have a 50/50 chance not getting in social or legal trouble. It represents confusion rather than morality.

[@pyorre2441]

And to me that is kinda a bad thing, as teenage years are when your sexuality starts to manifest itself. But it seems the current generation got convinced some where down the line that their budding sexuality is a bad thing, especially if it is towards the opposite sex.

[@Sekir80]

Yet, if I watch street interview content I see the opposite. Maybe the study was just biased with basement dwellers? So fishy.

[@JGL841]

If you've ever watched an old movie from the 1930s to the early 1960s, you'll see that sex was usually implied instead of displayed. The audience sensibilities back then were far more puritan than the period that followed and yet the implied sex was still effectivly conveyed to the audience without taking away from the storytelling. When heterosexual relationships are allowed back into popular storytelling in the west, I hope it goes back to the masterful and tasteful portrayals of love and affection of the past.

[@poorwotan]

Actually, those movies were forced to be filmed that way due to the Hayes Code. The Code was instituted in the early 30's (just as talkies came up) because, yes, a moral movement in the US basically demanded it in main street films as films started appearing with a lot of "sex and deviant behavior". It regulated everything from sex (I think kisses couldn't be longer than 3 seconds let alone nudity), to what could be shown on screen (old movies: no blood for example), "proper" relationships (notice that the cheating party never ends up with that person), and even outcomes (e.g. the "bad" guy is not allowed to win - even if it's a sympathetic character). Filmmakers would push the boundaries of the code as much as possible (think of Hitchcock's shower/murder scene in Psycho;, just about all 60's Bond films, or the whole Sword & Sandal category at the time). In the mid 60's you had European films come up that went way beyond anything Hollywood was ALLOWED to produce under the Code and foreign sales began to seriously dip. This led to the scrapping of the Code to be replaced by the first iteration of the Ratings we have today.

[@srichael2713]

​@@poorwotanThe welcoming of more liberal foreign movies to the detriment of local cinema sounds familiar...

[@poorwotan]

@@srichael2713 ​ @srichael2713 I just wanted to convey the historical background in relation to OP's comment. Many (younger) people are just not aware of this history. I myself was born into the ratings era and learned of the code much later. Only then could I understand the before/after "look/feel" of older films vs more modern ones. Film is considered art and art, whether we like it or not, evolves. Personally, I only like paintings from the High Italian Renaissance plus a few one-offs since then as an example. So film must also evolve and at some point, playing within a constricting defined set of rules (which themselves were interpreted by people) I can easily understand why US filmmakers wanted the Code gone. But I would like to say that, from my POV, the Code was repealed more due to economic reasons (i.e. international films making more money internationally) than morals changing in the US. Obviously, the society of the late 60's was different than the one from the 30's when the Code was created. I'm neither a film historian nor uber-enthusiast so I really don't have skin in this game. Actually, I happen to enjoy both Code and non-Code films. Come to think of it, an episode on the Hayes Code and it's influence in Canada by @CallMeChato would actually be very interesting for those of us sitting in the US. While his background is TV, it's in the same industry and Canada, I imagine, would have dual influences (US/UK) while trying to also do its own thing.

[@custos3249]

The reality that gen z wants more platonic friendships depicted and less love isn't just because they aren't getting laid, they also have no real friends. Exactly as they live their lives on tiktok where Mr. Beast is their bestie, they want to experience it vicariously, i.e. undangerously because you can't turn off a real person who said something you don't like (though they still try once they have a screen back in front of them). After all, if they can't even navigate real friendships, what use is something more complex like romance?

[@robertbeisert3315]

I'm a younger Millennial with Gen Z siblings. It's not so much that they don't want seggs as that they DO want genuine relationships. They want men who are deep and true friends, women who want to nurture and protect, and couples that love one another. They see the absolute hollowness of modern media "ships", and they want something true and meaningful to grab onto.

[@Sekir80]

Which means modern media produces stuff that is so unrealistic even young folks can't suspend their disbelief. Well...

[@bryan81584]

Sounds like universal things that everyone wants in movies. It is probably why the new Godzilla Minus One is doing so well, it has those elements. It makes you...feel emotions. So hard to find in any movies these days.

[@roccosfondo8748]

This

[@Arrix949]

GenZ doesn't even know what gender they are. How could they possibly think about sex then.

[@robertbeisert3315]

Remember, gender confusion wasn't their idea any more than taking on debt for ultimately useless degrees was. Children reflect their elders.

[@EIA-Observer]

The moderm audience is liberal Uni students, but you just can't be "modern" enough for them. Also, as a Gen Z, these don't speak for me. As for tik-tok, I watch 2 hour long Elder Scrolls lore videos, the short form has no hold on me.

[@Zhtrik]

Replace Elder Scrolls, with FromSoft lore videos games and we’re one and the same.

[@EIA-Observer]

@Zhtrik OH yeah, I've spent a few hours on that too. Never cared much for 40k, but I recently found a channel "Scholar's Lore," he has a fairly entertaining narration style, worth taking a look at.

[@robertbeisert3315]

Not even university students, but extremely sheltered Gen X writers' perceptions of those same university students. People like Mindy Kaling have never so much as met a teenager working minimum wage.

[@jhoughjr1]

40K lore is some powerful shit.

[@jhoughjr1]

@@EIA-Observeroculus imperialis is good also as is Baldemort

[@pedroares6562]

I love this. Of the 68 millions gen Z, 1500 can tell us exactly how all of them feel. And the idea of romance was always popular, but not for them. I think they are just trying to justify their decisions, but are as believable as Bob Iger when he says Disney will change their way.

[@pyorre2441]

1500-2000 persons example groups are usually big enough that adding more does not change the overall results in any meaningful degree. If the study is actually done impartially. The problem with this study seems to be, that the company doing the study had allready decided what result they wanted and rigged the study to get that. There are multiple ways how to do it. Simplest way to do it is making the questions asked from the group leading, ie making them answer the questions certain way. Another one is making the group too wide of a group, in this case it seems to be the age difference. 10 year olds will answer differently to the same questions than 24 year olds. In a real study they would have separated the ages. For example 10-14 years olds in their own group, 15 to 19 in their own and so on.

[@pedroares6562]

@@pyorre2441 I agree, but depend on how you chose the sample. There are ~68 million Z Gen people in USA. These 1500 are a sample between 14 and 25 from a diverse group (I understand they mean race, gender, and sexual preference) So even if randomized, the % of error is big. As you say if the sample is really repesentative, the answers would be right, but I think they asked with a bias to get the answers they want.

[@nolongeramused8135]

Ezra and Sabine not immediately having sex upon reuniting is one of the things that made the show so unbelievable in its character development. In a realistic show about people in their 30s who sacrifice so much of their lives to reunite they would have been a romantically involved couple to start with.

[@yankee1376]

They cut the scene where Ezra asks Sabine awkwardly ; " Didn't you used to be a chick?"

[@DragonLandlord]

It's hard to believe someone would spend 20some years searching galaxies for someone they're barely friends with.

[@pyorre2441]

When I heard that they didn't even hug when finally met again. I was confused as hell as that didn't sound like Sabine from Rebels who had pretty much no self control when it came to expressing her feelings. Ezra I can see being akward about he situation as he was like that in previous series aswell but atleast he had feelings towards Sabine aswell, he just expressed them diffrently. If this had been scene from Rebels you would have seen Sabine jump Ezra and give him a hug of lifetime and Ezra going "Hi...Sabine, nice to see you too."

[@knightheaven8992]

Its not even about having sex, its just there was no emotion or passion or a freaking hug at all... it simply isnt how human beings act at all.

[@JoFa876]

@@knightheaven8992 Disney doesn't know how to do normal human beings. They only know how to do freaks and deviants.

[@brettbeyer73]

I'm guessing modern writers look at love scenes as post-modern science fiction.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

10-24 is an extremely vast demographic. That's childhood to past college age, and people tend to go through a lot of growing up and life experiences in this time so I'm not sure why they're being treated as one demographic. Their views on friendship, sx, and adult content is bound to be dissimilar. Thanks for the video!

[@dennismoore1116]

Yes, I wonder if they picked the age to get some form of what they wanted. 15-24 would make more sense. Suppose you did this survey with only 10 year olds and only 24 year olds. That would in effect be meaningless. You would come up with some numbers and averages, but useful information about either age would be zero.

[@Saeronor]

Hell, a significant part of 10-year olds would consider sex-scenes icky on principle. Along with even ickier things like kissing and hand-holding. It's hilarious to even imagine their methodology for sorting answers out. Or, more likely, lack of it.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

@@dennismoore1116 exactly! Very well-explained!

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

@@Saeronor yes!! That is how I felt at 10, but not at 24 lol If 10-24 is their idea of 1 demographic, their methodology is bound to be very sloppy. Practically guaranteed to give the results they want to have. 😂

[@kevinsampson8099]

"We can be thankful they won't be reproducing in significant numbers" AMEN, BROTHER!!

[@brentharrington9235]

I work with a lot of "good" gen Z young men. Smart, motivated young engineers. The lack of girlfriends is astounding to me. With the excess of P-Ron and a total lack of social skills, they are completely unprepared and unmotivated to create traditional relationships. If you have no ONE to care about, then why would you ever care about THING?

[@nothanks3236]

I'm sure they'd like to have girlfriends, but all the age-appropriate girls in their group are looking for the top 1% men, and those guys are a good 20 years older than these young men.

[@Capt.Safety]

while P-Ron as you put it has a bit to do with it, have you looked at the state of the age appropriate "women" that the young men might have access to? from what I've seen being single with P-Ron and video games is a much better option.

[@nicholashodges201]

You need to see it from their perspective. They have literally been told their entire lives that asking girls out virtually anywhere is tantamount to r@p€. They don't get turned down, they get reported to somebody and it effects their schooling and careers. Online doesn't work because they're competing with the top 1% of men for 90% of the women on those sites. And when they DO get a date it's with a girl literally just doing it for the free food/night out or similar "catch". Beyond that they know very few people of any age who have stayed in lasting relationships and the breakups which typically leaves the male financially destroyed. They grew up in a world where talking to the wrong girl *once* is harassment and you're blaming dirty pictures and a "LaCk Of SoCiAl SkIlLs". You ever thought about trying to help one of them out? Maybe try introducing them to somebody? No, you're just going to criticize them online

[@brentharrington9235]

@@Capt.Safety it's always easy to blame others. More often than not success can be achieved by fixing yourself instead of worrying about others.

[@Saeronor]

@@brentharrington9235 it's impossible not to be blaming others in this scenario, because both of those groups are "others". In fact, your suggestion one group should "fix themselves" is also "putting the blame on others", as you insinuate there is something to fix on their side. If the first part of your comment is to be taken seriously, you are equally wrong for the same reason.

[@jvin248]

I do find there remains an overwhelming continued use of sharing feelings talking to psychologists and AA meetings in shows - Hollywood writers are writing what they know?

[@Draconic.]

For people claiming to want no romance, shipping sure seems to be prevalent...

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

*Paul: **_"At least give him a bl*w-job."_* The show's ratings would have been MUCH HIGHER...🤭

[@MrXiphoid1]

I lost it when you mentioned a movie about the Titanic featuring only the ship sinking. 😆😂😅🤣

[@Lonovavir]

That would be a boring film.

[@n.d.m.515]

@@Lonovavir That was the only part I liked about the movie . . . so, there is that.

[@robertbeisert3315]

​@Lonovavir you don't remember the golden age of documentaries, I see.

[@thelivingdripunal2513]

That was the best part of the movie though it's hard not to think about the real tragic event about to happen while Rose and Jack's love affair is going on more people are focused on that than wanting to see them get together because that isn't going to happen in a movie about hundreds of people dying in the middle of the Atlantic

[@ignacius8466]

Gen X here. Let me be blunt and say I don't give a flying f*ck what the younger generations think is correct. We need to listen to people that have actual life experince. They need to stfu and learn as they go like the rest of us did.

[@md_vandenberg]

You should care what the younger generations think: so you can understand their struggles and teach them. Gen X, once again proving they're the petulant children they believe Millenials and Zoomers are.

[@garysprandel1817]

Ayy-fllippin-men

[@coath514]

Shocked how sterilized this generation is

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

Sterilized? Or traumatized?

[@robertbeisert3315]

​@@Nyet-Zdyesunderrated sentiment. They've been fearmongered and socially isolated from one another their whole lives, even when in the same room.

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

@@robertbeisert3315 Fearmongered most especially, I think. To start with, boys are demonized simply for "having dangly bits"... unless they identify as part of the rainbow. The girls... are *told*, by a certain group who *pretends* to support them, that they'll never be allowed to make the same wage, that there's a glass ceiling... that there's a certain kind of "culture" on campus... and that all men are bad and/or worthless... and that the "evil patriarchy" is out to oppress them. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

[@andrewthorpe3219]

The modern audience is not who or what the writers, directors, or producers are trying to find. It is THEMSELVES. They are making the story with THEM as the character.

[@RERM001]

Man, I don't know where did this study found their teenagers, but most of the teenagers I see now are way more rad than my generation. These 13 to 17 year olds already vape, drink, get overdosed and pregnant, some not even for the first time.

[@giancarloszayas7197]

The modern audience are the loud voices that are tourists in every region to tell others how to spend their time and enjoy themselves without actually partaking in the hobbies they're commenting on.

[@andyandreson3989]

Many teenagers today do very little face to face socializing. I have seen a group’s of teens all come over and all they do is watch their phones. Most of my kids teachers and other parents are dumbfounded how we don’t get our children phones. Guess who’s kids go fishing, ride their bikes all over, go to the library still and actually play outside….this guys. And it’s rare to see unfortunately.

[@nco_gets_it]

Yes...yes, I want to go golfing on Saturday...LOL

[@TheBerk01]

Titanic with nothing but the ship sinking? To be honest, that sounds like a movie id gladly buy a cinema ticket for

[@ssjwes]

Are people still running across the deck screaming while it sinks?

[@thelivingdripunal2513]

That already exists there was a Titanic movie in the 1950s that was purely about the historical event, in real life there was no love story just people tragically loosing their lives

[@pigeonpoo1823]

46% were happy....... No. No they are not. They've never been happy

[@tobree1]

You’re a funny funny man! I’m more entertained watching your videos than I have been from 10 years of Disney dross. Bravo!

[@Deridus]

You can't teach what you don't know. If you've never seen a healthy relationship, you can't show. Seeing how Passport Bros are a thing now, well... Reality speaks for itself from time to time.

[@AlfnCrafts]

It's a very good prospect that this Zombie Generation no longer breeds more zombies that don't move when the light is green because they are looking and typing on a phone.

[@cyntogia]

I'm Gen X. I'm good with implied sex and no sex scenes. Relationships are fine without having to watch yet another poorly written sex scene, with uncomfortable actors pretending to have sex. Plus I don't want to see two men on screen.

[@BoojayDeeth]

Greetings fellow X'er. The silhouette humping/sweaty back, sex scene set to music in mainstream movies comes from a time when pornography was much harder to come by (ha ha just noticed the pun). So for many, such scenes were welcome titillation. I always found them rather eyerolling and unnecessary. In the internet age of course they could not be more redundant (most Z's could watch hardcore porn the moment they were first left alone with a screen.) I suppose the point remains that today increasingly there is no implied sex either.

[@norwegianblue2017]

I'm fine with no obligatory and overly pornographic sex scenes in TV and movies. But I do enjoy a good sexy script and a little cheesecake. I think Mad Men is one of the sexiest shows ever released. When did we become such prudes when it came to simple nudity in films? Half the comedies in the 80s had random boobies and we were no worse for it.

[@drgordo112]

Those in the friend zone want to see the friend zone on the big screen!

[@nolongeramused8135]

Misery loves company.

[@burstangel]

This has been happening since the 90's. It got weird when people start thinking that any form of physical contact means "your gay". Started watching people getting weirder since. Right now, over saturation of LGBTQ+ content makes friendships confusing to the young.

[@maboelnreads]

As a member of Gen X, I have zero problems with films and movies no longer having totally unnecessary porn in the middle of a story. A lot of the rubbish sex scenes which had no real place in nineties+ movies just made me press fast forward. I don’t think the lack of sex scenes is the problem with modern movies. It’s being told what I should think and feel, rather than being given things to think and feel about. I’ve never, in real life, had a conversation about pronouns, even when breakfasting with people on the LGBTetc spectrum. But if you really want an example of how sex is no longer a good thing for modern writers to focus on, compare SITC with its rubbish follow up, And Just Like That… Nope. Keep the sex out of it since they clearly have no idea what’s going on in the real world and I don’t want to see what they THINK is going on…

[@Mr_J1984]

You are fundamentally correct, but these Neo Puritans have gone the other way so far as to be ridiculous. It's a religious cult that seeks to impose their twisted morals on all of planet earth. The secret lies in balance. We don't need sex scenes in every movie, but we also don't need to remove them from ALL films for the rest of time. You can have sex scenes and still be tasteful and not porn.

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

I'm also Gen X... and have zero interest in romance, so I prefer not to watch it on TV or in movies, either. "Fast forward".

[@Vaelosh466]

I have this feeling as well, I think in general the kind of sex or eye candy that is allowed to be added to mainstream media is so tame compared to what's easily accessible on the Internet it just seems like a waste of screen time. I can only think of one or two movies where a sex scene was actually entertaining or necessary to the plot, including Team America.

[@NightimeInDeepSpace]

@@Nyet-Zdyes Lol me too. There's nothing wrong with having romance focused movies like The Notebook or whatever but a romance in the middle of a sci fi movie just ruins it for me

[@treelineresearch3387]

It was always really awkward when I was around 10 and be watching an otherwise completely family friendly movie like Top Gun with my parents when the obligatory couple minutes of soft po rn came on. I never really found it added anything over just implying some smashing happened.

[@JKPippa]

Does this mean Hallmark romcoms are our last line of defense?? 😂😂

[@ssjwes]

Haven't you heard? Thats gone as well. Switch to Great American Media. Most of the sane normal Hallmark employees already went there. Family friendly romcoms, basically what you think of when you think "Hallmark". Hallmark is not what you think it is today.

[@ssjwes]

GAM also picked up some of the shows HM cancelled after one season.

[@JKPippa]

@@ssjwes I only watch Hallmark movies with Erin Cahill in them, she's my favorite actress. I don't even like romcoms and I don't watch them unless she's in them 🤣🤣🤣

[@domm6812]

I got some genuine laughs out of this vid 😂. As a gen Xer, sarcasm is my bread and butter. But also, if that's what gen Z really believes and wants, it explains a lot.

[@slamtilt01]

I was just thinking about the old Gerry Anderson “Supermarianation” tv shows like Thunderbirds, and Captain Scarlet & the Mysterons. They were basically all that of the survey, but with no sex. Heck, they didn’t even have people in them. We had to wait over 30 years before we got any puppet sex in Team America.😂

[@Lord_Baphomet_]

I’m 22 and I agree with pretty much everything you said… it’s not all of us.

[@DingbatToast]

Excellent commentary

[@NightimeInDeepSpace]

I'm not genz but I was always uncomfortable with sex scenes in movies just shoehorned in. And I always hated that every interaction between a male and female had to have some sexual undercurrent. So I actually agree with gen z on that point. Gen z is either hyper sexual or puritanical and that comes from the former generations making porn so readily accessible to kids which is messed up

[@llywyllngryffyn8053]

You took the words right out of my mouth, Paul. At least we won't have to worry about thier kids learning this crap from them. We can just cclone ourselves and skip their generation entirely.

[@PCPAyLOAD]

Absolutely LOVE your channel man! Glad I found it. I just dim my lights a little, no need to turn them completely off as hideous as I am ;)

[@edwardbloecher4563]

Brother I saw 2 commercials last week. One featured an heterosexual black couple the other was an heterosexual white couple. I was appalled! Lol not really but was shocked. It's the first time in awhile I saw an ad that didn't have 2 dads! Lol . Happy Holidays up there eh? Later Sir! Eddie Out P.S. I grew up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan where we say eh every other word. 😊

[@robertbeisert3315]

You saw a white couple in an ad? Did you buy a lottery ticket, too?

[@edwardbloecher4563]

@@robertbeisert3315 I thought about it Robert! Lol

[@charlesjmouse]

Well said, and as always entreatingly put. "Lies, damn lies, and statistics." If one wants to make a dishonest point publish a survey where the respondents and questions have been carefully chosen. Idle curiosity: Isn't something like 50% of all internet traffic porn-related? Surely as a 55 year old I can't be responsible for all of it..?

[@charlie81dbz]

Honestly I had a different take. Sex is everywhere all the damn time and you almost can't get away from it anymore. And having movies with real, true friendships with a member of the same sex without the characters being gay or lesbian is few and far between. I think the younger gen is starving for the normalcy and connection they don't have in their own lives and it's honestly a sad thing society has fallen so far. I recently started watching a lot of 80s action flicks I hadn't seen and one thing that stood out to me was all these big burly guys doing big burly guy things and having such strong bonds they'd literally die to help each other, even if they'd not seen each other in years. Yeah it's just a movie, but people actually used to have friendships like that.

[@qZbGmYjS4QusYqv5]

That article is woefully misleading. As a GenXer I can surmise that GenZs don't need sex scenes in the movies because they can easily get free porn on any device. (And funnily enough, the level of writing and acting in those videos would be much better then in the modern mainstream movies). Also, the idea of romance itself was thoroughly destroyed by the cynical postmodernist media. So, I gather, GenZs just wish to get in the movies what they lack IRL because they're really lonely and have no offline friends

[@kathycoleman4648]

Yes. In an online society, having a true and real friend is as fantastical as getting to walk on the moon.

[@robertbeisert3315]

​@@kathycoleman4648moreso, because they know what walking is like

[@chasehedges6775]

I’m a Gen Z 2001 kid and I think this mindset is utterly rediculous

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

Glad to hear it!

[@hehhehheh4588]

It's utterly Redditiculous.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@hehhehheh4588 💯

[@chris9206]

This is true for the must part. Clownfish TV covered this around the time this polling came out.

[@kerravon4159]

Best. Video. Title. Ever.

[@jswets5007]

Honestly, the study being from Stanford right now makes its legitimacy highly dubious, even before you see the preposterous questions and answers. 😂

[@edwardpaddock2528]

Wait a tick!!! Gen WHAT ers?? What to try that one again sonny Jim??

[@Vixen522]

You, sir, just got yourself a subscriber 🎉

[@fauxpukka]

When the X-files came out in the 90s it was lauded for depicting it’s male and female leads, who both were young and attractive, as partners in a platonic working relationship. But in that case there was still an undercurrent of potential or sexual tension. I think there was also a similar undercurrent in the show Xena, but between the female leads

[@salerio4876]

5:10 "Gonads. That is a bingo!" Col. Hans Gruber. ("You know, you know the one." Joe said Joe said.)

[@SocalSamStokes]

Gosh. Just watched a few Perry Mason shows from the 50s. No sex. Just freaking good stories.

[@wherami]

Oh back to back Paul lol

[@bogdan78pop]

When Harry met Sally...it's platonic (but fun ) for the most of the movie...then the Biology takes over...!!!!!!!!!!

[@GartheKnightReturns]

For a moment there Chato you sounded like the Master Control Program. And if so is frightening appropriate. Those of you who know the reference, then you know.

[@CallMeChato]

Don't you TRON me boy.

[@elmarakovideo]

It's TRONING Time! Disney's Tron 3 in 2025?!@@CallMeChato

[@Inug4mi]

As a millennial who’s also sick of online dating and dating apps, I get how they feel about that. I, too, would rather clean all the toilets than go on another online date. 😅

[@jakeviolet2195]

Sad that abstinence and online dating have become the only options. Do young people ever try to pick each other up in person anymore? Surely men and women must still come in contact occasionally in the real world? What is to prevent you from striking up a conversation with the similarly aged humanoid life forms within speaking distance of yourself?

[@kathycoleman4648]

@@jakeviolet2195 Have you seen the Gilette ad, the me too movement, or 12 hours as a woman in New York? The Brett Kavanaugh situation in 2018, Aziz Ansari's bad date, the destructiveness of mattress girl, or what's happening to fathers or men in general within divorce courts? None of this should be surprising, and much of it is likely by design.

[@Inug4mi]

@@jakeviolet2195 The simplest answer I can give is not having enough time. I was also never really into pick-up culture either. If I was to ever attempt it again it might be through a hobby but again it’s hard when you have no time.

[@Sekir80]

@@jakeviolet2195 Maybe those young people are busy picking each other up and not watching long form content platform's 50 year old white dudes.

[@andyklapper8484]

I have to say, Gen Z's lives suck. Really, based on this survey they are a generation of losers. I suspect this is due to their being raised by their overprotective parents, but still, I feel sorry for their lack of an authentic life.

[@JJSS-vg1qs]

No Hard Feelings was SO funny!

[@Ifness]

I have an appliance store and I do a survey about which appliance families prefer and I find that the one that people most need is stoves and the least are refrigerators, my store is in Egypt and the survey was done in Greenland, I don't understand has gone wrong, I can't sell a single stove and people only ask about acs and freezers that I don't have, damn them, they don't stop lying in the surveys. 😡

[@michaelthompson8616]

Great commentary. I miss the 70s cinema, thank God 4 foreign cinema.

[@tombombadill22]

Spot on! 😂 😢

[@garysprandel1817]

Literally Twitter weirdos lost their collective shyte a few months ago over a series of anime McDonald's ads McDonald's did for their Japanese market over an ad that showed young parents with their young daughter at McDonald's. Their concerns were about the " problematic " interaction between the father and the daughter. Absolutely normal interaction if you aren't some terminally online blue hair oddball but makes you kind of wonder about people that see a normal parent/child interaction their first reaction is to go directly to that.

[@Xiy114]

EXACTLY AND INSIGHTFUL!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA

[@richgollner6633]

I'm a boomer and know some younger people in family. The ones who find girl/boy friends seem happy enough. The ones who don't have partners are not rejecting the idea, they just have trouble finding someone.

[@paulinegauthier1867]

TikTok is authentic!! 😂😂😂

[@oddbod4442]

Gens have certainly plumbed the depths

[@Mitchcraft.]

I love this format of videos from you they are great

[@johnallen4030]

I grew up with Tom Hanks in Bachelor Party and Porkys and Bo Derek movies. Eunuch seem to have arose among us

[@luniz4209]

Beavis and Butthead was too aspirational for modern audiences

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

I want to see a remake of *TITANIC* in which the oceanliner stays afloat and THE ICEBERG SINKS...😉

[@Stalinfalcon]

I’d be very interested in a study done of the browser histories of these same 1,500 polled.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

"1,500 adolescents (ages *10* to *24*)" So, when I'd graduated university with a BSc *and then again* with an MSc, I was an adolescent? Jesus. Fucking. Wept.

[@chrisw6164]

Ten year olds have nothing to base an informed opinion on. And 24 year olds are “adolescents”? WTF

[@josephfisher426]

A lot of them ACT like adolescents.

[@n.d.m.515]

Apparently "science" has shown no one is an adult until age 25. I am serious. That is what a much quoted science study said.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

@@n.d.m.515 It's not what it said, it's just how many people interpet it to explain why they're 25 and still don't want to take responsibility for themselves.

[@robertbeisert3315]

​@@f0rth3l0v30fchr15tif you don't train them to be adults in their adolescence, don't be surprised when they fail to suddenly transmogrify on their 25th birthday.

[@emanym]

Human male instinct is more powerful than culture, and it will win as it always does. Passion is a fire that burns away lies.

[@OutOfElmo]

You can afford The Gap? Everything I have is from Walmart…

[@Clockwork0nions]

I’m a millennial, and even I am ok with less weird and seemingly random sex scenes. There were a few movies I saw in the early to mid-2000’s that were almost completely ruined by these, same goes for TV shows on places like HBO and Cinemax.

[@chrisw6164]

I agree that was a problem in the early 2000s. The pendulum has swung too far in a weird direction however. The same generation who bases their entire existence on their “sexuality” also have no idea how to depict romance or intimate relationships in a story.

[@eba9121]

But you gotta remember that it seems everyone who identifies as part of the abc group on social media is also the same group that is being taught about the abc group in school or want the attention on social media.

[@sempercompellis]

even you ...a millenial....get out, that generation that is still living at home and has had %.000001 more relationships than a zoomer--um this all started with and becaue of you. Even I ..a millenial...lol are you fucking kidding me

[@jakeviolet2195]

There is nothing weird or random about sex. It is one of our strongest biological imperatives. Cable channels like "Skinemax" only existed to show softcore pornography in a world where hardcore pornography was not as readily available as it is now. It was never about the story or the romance. A Skinemax movie without sex is like a cocktail with no liquor.

[@lunarmodule6419]

I find "gore" to be all over and random.

[@drgordo112]

I just watched the trailer for the new Sydney Sweeny Rom Com. Now I'm curious to read a Gen Z review of it!

[@Torviticus]

I'm reminded of a song by Wilson Phillips.

[@colorin81colorado]

Someone in the chat pointed out many things wrong with these people (elements, ideas and idiologies) of our modern society. He pointed out many true facts but concluded that the solution was to "just don't have children! While I agreed with all his facts I did not agree with his concylusion and I want to share with you my response to him (so I don't have to repeat myself again here!). ​​"I agreed with your statement right up to the very last line when you really got it all wrong (though 99% of your thinking is perfect, sound and true!). Your conclusion of not having children as the final answer to today's problems is my issue here with what you said and I hope you are not offended by my reasons why! First of all, nothing here is new, when you look into history (and we don't even have a good and faithful account of real history) you will see that the struggle for "power by the few over the many" has been happening since the beginning of time. The instrument players change in the orchestra but the tune is the same as always! You can pick any time period in history and I will show you the good and the bad in that period (every time, it repeats and repeats) and yes there were many casualties along the way but out of these struggles goodness has always prevailed! The key is not stop having children but having as many children as you and your wife are able to welcome into your home and then teaching them righteous life principals that will allow them to conquer all the hurdles of life... It can be done and it "must" be done... That's how we (the majority who lives in the middle of the political and social landscape) have won, time after time after time!" I'm not saying every old idea or person is right and every young person or new idea is wrong but history teachs us the patterns that have worked and the patterns that have not... Time after time, after time... Everytime! (That maybe one of the readins why today's Woke, try to re-writte history all the time... So we can not see the patterns and its outcomes!)

[@BoSmith7045]

I think unlimited Internet porn is screwing a lot of kids up. When I was a little kid seeing something like Adrienne Barbeau's boobs in Swamp Thing was a rare thing that reinforced my interest in girls. Kids now can look up stuff that would make the Marquis De Sade ( sp?) blush while waiting for the school bus on their phones. If I were over exposed to such unrealistic depictions of sex at a early age I would probably end up being avoidant towards it too. Not to mention all the creepy adults trying to say I am the wrong gender and I can "consent" to anything and keeping secrets is good. Just like we are sick of politics in our media they are probably feeling the same way about sex in their media because of the same weirdos. IMHO.

[@ssjwes]

Good point.

[@markmunroe-hz8rf]

When I was a kid and saw scenes in movies by chance, aI didn't bat an eyelash.

[@gyorgyor7765]

feminism guilting men for finding beautiful women attractive, all this sexual objectifation BS has stunted male sexuality by extreme guillt and shaming.

[@Patoni2012]

That whole survey really has the vibe of, “well I didn’t want to be invited anyway, I’m happy not going. In fact it was probably gonna be lame anyway.”

[@admthrawnuru]

Your wife is right, they do want to convert... Just not you and me. We're lost causes, but our children aren't. It's our children they want to convert, and if the stats you showed are acurate, it suggests they have been at least partially successful.

[@reaganmabry9809]

Let's see. Beowulf updated for the modern audience: Beowulf will be played by a STRONG, diverse, bisexual female character. King Hrothgar will of course be played by a STRONG, diverse female character. Grendel will be played by a white, cisgender man. We well all get to see this strong, diverse female character Mary Sue her way across an ethnicity diverse 7th century Scandinavia, as she smashes the patriarchy, and realizes her only weakness is being held back by men around her. Can't wait for the Amazon show.

[@otakubullfrog1665]

At least Anakin insisted that he got laid before he put the entire galaxy in peril for the sake of one person.