Is Mind Distinct from Body?

In this introductory program on the mind-body problem from 1998, the relation between mind & body is discussed by various philosophers (including W. V. Quine, David Chalmers, Paul Churchland, Daniel Dennett, Hilary Putnam, Hubert Dreyfus, Charles Taylor, John Searle, & Nicholas Jolley). Among other things, they discuss Descartes' dualism, Thomas Hobbes' materialism, Gilbert Ryle's behaviorism, the Turing Test, the Chinese Room, & reductionism.
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[@thestoiccorneryt]

Philosophy Overdose, this video on the mind-body distinction was mind-bending. Your exploration of this timeless question left me pondering existence itself.

[@StevenDykstra-u3b]

I think Hitchens was perhaps most correct when saying, "We do not have bodies. We are bodies."

[@AEsECAGesDesDurE]

If you haven't already, you might be very interested in reading Merleau-Ponty's Phenomenology of Perception. He truly changed philosophy's perspective from one that starts from the mind as the first presupposition into that direction.

[@StevenDykstra-u3b]

@@AEsECAGesDesDurE Noted.

[@bonpsy]

Agreed, and "We do not have minds. Our bodies are aware."

[@StevenDykstra-u3b]

@@bonpsy But ubiquitoiusly in social comprehension remaining all but comatose.

[@Philusteen]

I look at it this way - if you could place yourself far enough away from earth, and capture all the information emanating from the earth, everything that's ever happened is still out there - traveling through the cosmos. Every action of everyone you've ever loved still exists out there somewhere. What happens to the information that consists of us? Regardless of whether or not consciousness could persist in some tangible form, every day's data is eternal in a way, and that's rather lovely.

[@MARDUK9]

Do we have to leave the earth to capture all this information? If we don't have any space or time constraints we should be able to access it where we currently are but if that's so we should be able to access anything at anytime anywhere.

[@Philusteen]

@@MARDUK9 well, it's not whether or not we could capture it; I'm simply making the point that all this information exists. So, if you wanted to see ancient Egypt, or Rome at its height, or Australopithecus walking across the savannah, or your mom calling you for supper when you were little - all of that information is in the universe somewhere, diffuse and light-years away of course, but it persists nonetheless.

[@Himanshu_Khichar]

​​​​@@PhilusteenThat information would have to be infinite in magnitude, and it exists in the Mind of God.

[@Philusteen]

@@Himanshu_Khichar Spinoza's god, perhaps. 🖖

[@jurgn]

Your assumptions are questionable, Philusteen. Yesterday is gone, no light remembers where you went to toilet.

[@jcc195]

the philosophy of mind bros are out tonight, keep your wits about you

[@simoneverodimarrow]

Descartes ❤😂 my second love affair whom I still arguing with ✨🦋

[@StevenDykstra-u3b]

@simoneverodimarrow You think, therefore, you are probably not going to vote for any presidential candidate in 2024. I chanelleled Descartes. Hip for being dead hundreds of years and living on another plane of existence.

[@AshokKumar-fc4es]

Hi

[@longcastle4863]

Are big teeth distinct from the body? Or large claws? Or flight? Or digestive systems? Or instincts? Or communication skills? Is having a sensory perceptual system that allows one-whether a parrot, a person or a porcupine-to be aware of one’s surroundings distinct from the body?

[@JensenAugustin]

Yes

[@CesarClouds]

Is this from the program From Socrates to Sartre?

[@MARDUK9]

What's your flavor? Eliminative Materialism, Noneliminative Materialism, Phenomenalism, Interactionism, Parallelism, or Epiphenomenalism.

[@Wildrover82]

The mind is a construct of the brain. No brain, no mind.🧠

[@JensenAugustin]

Lol

[@Himanshu_Khichar]

And without the mind, the brain is just matter incapble of bringing about any conscious experience.

[@Wildrover82]

@@Himanshu_Khichar the brain creates the mind. No mind exists without it.

[@MasoudJohnAzizi]

How do you know that is true? Thanks for sharing.

[@Himanshu_Khichar]

@@Wildrover82 When you say "the brain creates the mind" as opposed to something like "the brain is the mind", you implicity recognize the distinction between the brain and the mind. We aren't yet debating the origin of the mind, but you agree with me insofar as the distinction is concerned.

[@islaymmm]

What did Mary know?

[@lament22]

No.

[@user-zb9qk3ml9r]

Sever the head from the body and see if there is still a mind; alternatively, you could induce some sort of brain damage and see what happens.

[@casperdermetaphysiker]

The body is made of mind. The body is essentially mental.

[@MARDUK9]

"The All is Mind, The Universe is Mental" doctrine of the Kybalion.

[@Himanshu_Khichar]

The body is conspicuously non-mental.

[@genesises]

you mean the other way around? :)

[@casperdermetaphysiker]

@@genesises I said what I meant

[@longcastle4863]

The idea that all is mind has not resulted in a single scientific discovery. Meanwhile the scientific fruits of materialism are all around us.

[@thegroove2000]

Information is not stored locally in the brain.

[@thegroove2000]

The brain dies but the information is not lost. What if there are those a chosen few who can access such information from complete strangers even by touching the objects they once owned?

[@MARDUK9]

@@thegroove2000 Vibroturgy - perhaps the information field of the object has been imprinted with a person's unique information field.

[@thegroove2000]

@@MARDUK9Beyond the brain/mind in a place yet to be discovered.

[@longcastle4863]

We actually know the locations in the brain where a lot of information is stored-such as memories and word knowledge, etc. Just like we know the areas of the brain where emotions, reasoning and planning abilities are situated and the areas of the brain that control things like breathing and motor function. And we know that in traumatic brain injury to specific ares of the brain people can lose some of those memories, knowledge or abilities.

[@peterhovmand74]

And yet so wrong ...

[@MatthewMcRowan]

We'll find out after we're done with this material plane

[@Wildrover82]

I don't think we will. We'll be dead.🤷

[@lament22]

​@@Wildrover82😂

[@yonathanasefaw9001]

I think so.

[@longcastle4863]

No, you most likely won’t find out. And the bummer is you won’t be able to complain about it, either.

[@nowhereman6019]

No.