Phone Conversation - Metal Gear Solid

[@shanethefox]

I remember my mom being glued to the screen as I was playing this game for the first time and when Ocelot said "Mr. President." She gasped so loudly lol

[@DKC_Returns]

That's really cool. Did she watch you play MGS2 or the others?

[@PASTELXENON]

Lucky

[@Vollification]

Same here. When my mother first saw this game she legit thought it was a movie.

[@beklopptervollidiot1706]

honestly sounds like you have a coll af mom. lucky you, mine was in the idiot camp of ViDeO gAmE vIoLeNcE

[@sonny9493]

Great memory

[@madjack1748]

I can just imagine Solidus on the other side of the phone babbling like spongebob.

[@jhonnymark7581]

BRMURNRNRRYURMRURUNRURNNRURENEURNRUNRUNUENRUNURYUNRYUENRURMR

[@patrickbarbosa426]

Hahahaha

[@DreadNawght]

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit

[@ilikepigeons6101]

XD

[@silverwindspirit]

Plot twist: spongebob is solidus :O!

[@CthulhuRogers]

Who woulda thought the cool cowboy boss fight man would be arguably the most important character in the franchise?

[@purplesamurai5205]

I find it so ironic that the "most important character" has been in pretty much every game besides the originals.

[@andrewparke1764]

That's something I also didn't expect at the time. I was confused because, to me, Ocelot was merely "the first boss" and thus expected to be the weakest and least important one. Games tended to have hierarchies whereby the later the boss, the more powerful and better connected to the final boss. Not so, here. Totally flipped that expectation on its head.

[@Vollification]

@@andrewparke1764 Right. But this game basically broke every other established rule about videogames back then. It starts out basic "kick the bad guys asses, save he hostages and the world. Standard stuff. Then it goes down and down the rabbit hole and you find out you are not the "hero", you aren't fighting to save the world or are "the worlds only hope" you are just a killer :( The base is owned and operated by Armstech and the only reason you are there is because this is the way to get Metal Gear back. If the government just wanted to "save the world" they would have just turned Shadow Moses into one big massive, radioactive crater, made up a cover story about "the most horrible nuclear accident in history since Chernobyl that shows me must really invest more money in safe disposal of nuclear weapon" and that would have been the end of it :(

[@blakknuckles76]

Christmas 1998. Man, this part gave me and my brothers goosebumps upon hearing the "...Mr. President" line. We were like: OHHHHHH SHITTTTTT!!!!!...SEQUEL!!!

[@TheBizarreMind]

same here!

[@timvillani82]

Same here!! Xmas 1998

[@Randolph_]

Well at the time, the 13 year old me played it alone at night with headphones connected to the tv for a more immersive experience. Suffice to say I got creeped out, alright :)

[@alexsilva28]

​@@Randolph_That was me playing MGS2 at night. That shit scared me

[@ThotdFan127]

This fucking game after all these plot twists had the fucking NERVE to throw this last one at us and destroy any feeling of closure we could have possibly had.

[@DRigg100]

that sound effect was eerie/scary when ocelot said ''Mr President''

[@Temmoie]

I could still remember how my mom came in as she heard the conversation, and gasped when Ocelot said Mr. President.

[@Brian6587]

Loved this scene and the “Mr. President” at the end such a great twist!

[@Vollification]

I think this was my first "0_0 WT actual F" moment when I was a kid playing this. Imagine movies like A Few Good Men "You can't handle the truth" scene and The Rock "Jesus Frank this is classified information!" scene cranked up to over 9000 "This is SECRET on such a high level that the term "Top Secret Black Ops" is as official and open as a saturday barbecue by comparison"

[@stonekold10x]

Its moments like this why I love MGS series

[@l0rdparzival954]

God I can’t imagine what it was like to experience this back in the day

[@schnubbel76]

It was amazing, this was a new experience. Games with such a complex and intriguing story and cinematic cutscenes were not common back then and this Mr. President-reveal.... goosebumps

[@frankjager2420]

Definitely a new experience, as the poster said above me. This I think was the first real theatric game with full voice recordings, some from well known voice actors. It was real hard to turn it off for the day because you want to get through the next gameplay, to see what happens next

[@thequestbro]

It was fucking crazy, even more so in the lead up to MGS2. The fan theories were going fucking crazy. No one could make heads or tails of MGS2 when it launched. It was too avant garde.

[@AQT187]

It was God damned shocking

[@andrewparke1764]

This was my first cinematic game-I didn't have internet at the time, nor did I play it with anyone else, so it was a very personal experience. After such an emotional rollercoaster of a game, the ending seemed very conclusive and cathartic, until this phone conversation, which blew open the doors for a sequel. The feeling it gave me at the time was "WOW, it continues!". MGS2 was the primary reason I got a PS2.

[@gabrielmaturino7305]

biggest plot twist of 1900's

[@mooganify]

1900s 😂😂😂

[@clarkparker4860]

Kojima had us wait three years before we could learn what this was all about in the sequel. The tenacity!

[@DrEarthwormRobotnik]

I remember me and a friend lost our shit when we heard "... Mr. President." That was one hell of a twist.

[@IverNeset]

"It takes a well-balanced individual such as yourself to rule the world." That always sounded weird to me. Even now, when I get the context (Solidus is genetically "balanced" compared to Solid and Liquid), it just comes off as strange. Haha, Solidus should've realized Ocelot was up to something based on the way he was talking in this scene.

[@mrreyes5004]

Well, yes and no. Ocelot was right when he stated that Solidus was a good leader; his masterminding of the Shadow Moses incident and military achievements in the Liberian War proved as much. Also, note that Ocelot isn't actually kissing up to Solidus or anything - he's literally just pointing out that Liquid's mental instability marked him as an inferior tactician to someone like Solidus, who is markedly more patient and logical.

[@DuckinCommissar]

Solidus might have known it all along. But he was probably unaware of what help Ocelot really had which took him by surprise.

[@joelluna3386]

Post credits scenes, sorry Marvel but Kojima did it first (and better)

[@Cybrisk]

Post credits scenes have been a thing since the 80s at least.

[@KRiSTCG]

Didnt do it first but I have to admit they did it greater than any movie cause of the content in it and what they revealed

[@jhonnymark7581]

Goddamn it. You got that right.

[@azureblue5757]

Damn right

[@danielclark241]

Joel Luna The first post credits scene that I saw was for Street Fighter: The Movie (1994)

[@frankjager2420]

I remember playing the original on the Playstation. This was definitely well played in the voice acting dialogue, darker, not so Hollywood-ish of hero and villain conversations, like it was on PlayStation. To this day, that "Goodbye, Mr President" still gives me goosebumps, especially when Ocelot revealed everything

[@ryanandrew9233]

It came out on ps2 but yea it was amazing best game of all time

[@Prisonerthirt33n]

​@@ryanandrew9233No, it came out on ps1.

[@Shabazz23]

Always one hell of a phone call to listen to. Shockingly no movie hasnt properly delivered a twist like this ever

[@kruegerpoolthe13th]

As someone who had played this game fairly recently I was blown away by this ending Like damn Kojima had the sequel in mind already Amazing

[@garageman1989]

I can imagine Ocelot in a dark room where lights are seeping through the blinds as his silhouette paces back and forth on the phone.

[@andrewparke1764]

Odd, that is precisely what I pictured in 1998 as well.

[@brunomantovaneli6076]

That scene was awesome but couldn't either Liquid or Snake have realized that the freaking US President looked just like Big Boss?

[@mrreyes5004]

No, actually, there's this thing called "DISGUISING"; we even see it when we're shown a flashback picture of Solidus when he was President George Sears, as he didn't look the way he did in the events of the game on the Big Shell. Even if they did, they would both know how ridiculous it would be for Big Boss to be the President, and neither of them had any reason to think that there was a third clone.

[@purplesamurai5205]

@@mrreyes5004 Are you just going around to people going "Uh no actually"?

[@TheRye07]

One of the Best game ever made

[@Gonken88]

Fo sho

[@sonicshot55]

Que the MGS3 jingle they played after that phone call

[@mox95CrazySongz]

Damn I Remember I was 10 year old. Chillin and Playing MGS on PS1 and this Ending came out. My Brain fucked up ! my gaming life can't be the same

[@RolfSAMA]

That was a very chilling moment for me back in 98, probably the 1st post-credits scene I've ever encountered 😅

[@romacalor]

"The darpa chief knew my identity" YOOOO OH MY GOD KOJIMA HAD THIS SHIT DOWN FROM THE BEGINNING

[@HisRoyalMajestyKingofWeedshire]

Ocelot: Everything went exactly how I planned it. Solidus: Miss Othmar

[@Archedgar]

0:47 I wasn't even a little bit surprised that Liquid was the superior clone, not after he survived the helicopter crash, getting blown up in metal gear, taking a beating atop metal gear, falling off of metal gear, getting riddled with bullets on the jeep & the jeep crash at the end with only moderate damage taken after all of it. Yeah, he was definitely the superior twin.

[@gamegenes]

The scariest part in the game. Wow, the Third one.

[@izuzin]

Yes sir no sir yes sir no sir yes sir no sir

[@BillyBones-ui9ck]

😳😳😳 I didn't even know about this until I found it JUST NOW. 20 years I've been playing these games. Wow...BADASS

[@TerryKashat]

Wow

[@phoenixsplash135]

the DARPA chief knew who he was because its sigint.. there is no way they had that all planned from the start

[@JohnSmith-co1zv]

It wasnt, Ocelot happened to work under the American government, that's why Donald Anderson recognized him, before MGS3

[@adinolfimichele1123]

I think they did Just think at Venom Snake and Metal Gear 1 (Not Metal Gear Solid, just Metal Gear)

[@SteelBallRun1890]

Funny Valentine That was Kojima retconning Venom in though.

[@Tosti_Tory]

Kojima retconned just about every plot point in the franchise haha

[@armarelder7260]

So if sigint id the darpa chief then that means they killed sigint rite???

[@v-trigger6137]

It's been years since i have played these games. and only now realizing that this one had a post credit scene

[@ProGamingProphecy]

Based on this conversation, it sounds as though Ocelot believed Liquid would win and because Liquid lost and this lost wasn't part of the plan, he used hypnotic therapy to create an alternative personality "Liquid". Liquid was probably suppose to be part of the plan to bring down Solidus.

[@Random-bj3gf]

please elaborate

[@MrRiddleAW]

I believe he only started the hypnotic therapy after Liquid started possessing him. He got Liquid's arm removed after MGS2 and replaced it would a prosthetic but wanted to keep the rouse so he underwent therapy. I don't think Liquid possessing him was actually planned and in MGS2 it seems that it might have altered the plans even further. Of course, Ocelot was pretty much-playing everyone at this point so I don't think it mattered to him who lived or who died in regards to the clones.

[@ChadVulpes]

@@MrRiddleAW "There is no supernatural" is a pretty big theme in MGS2. I think there never was a possession.

[@frjoethesecond]

@@ChadVulpes It's outright stated in MGS4 that the possession was a ruse to mask his true intentions from the patriots.

[@billwilson6248]

Liquid's would've won, without FOXDIE.

[@Vollification]

Thank you, goodbye... MR PRESIDENT! (Congrats, you won, but this is bigger then you thought it was.)

[@Solid_Hank]

Very good foreshadowing and voice acting

[@BLACULA-Skeewoah]

I just LOVE how throughout the game they're constantly talking about the president's willingness to stay ignorant of the entire shadow moses incident, to the point that the Secretary of Defense gets himself arrested for trying to blow up an island full of nuclear warheads... Meanwhile, Solidus has orchestrated the whole thing with the help of Big Boss' right hand man and one of the Patriots, who managed to facilitate the deaths of Sigint, Master Miller AND Para-Medic practically in one fell swoop. Obviously the sequels fleshed out the story a LOT, but if you're just looking at MGS1 as a stand alone sequel to Snake Eater and the msx games, it's a very satisfying wrap up!

[@javelin6831]

They should've added a final scene where they reveal Solidus, but this works too.

[@cantonnierbethcepourlavhy6343]

Javelin in a way, this scene is far more interessing than showing a cinematic : until the very end, you don't expect it, and at the time, you were left with a fuckton of question, were showing his face would have diminish the impact !

[@user-js7df6pz6u]

Literally Ocelot was crossin' 'em all since the start of the franchise. Ya sonofacrap.

[@wg6111]

I always thought when Ocelot was asking “what to do with that woman” it was Meryl but the whole time it was Naomi he was talking about

[@MikeyShey0059]

I wish I could watch this scene for the first time again.

[@thestillthrill1166]

there are 2 conversations, one which is unlocked by giving up during the torture scene and one which is unlocked by not giving up. can someone add a link to the other conversation please?

[@IverNeset]

The Still Thrill It's the same. Just for some reason they don't have the part about the clones (Snake's inferior genes are never brought up, nor is "Solidus").

[@jianh1989]

14-year-old me couldn't sleep the night after finishing this game and stumbled across this conversation

[@Raveneffect1989]

You spend the whole game hating Liquid and this one way conversation changed everything.

[@greggotti9740]

"Those two are still alive". Meryl and Otacon. They were planning that from the beginning despite the different endings.

[@alexb.e7498]

I think it's supposed to refer to Solid Snake and either Meryl or Otacon, depending on the ending

[@TequilaToothpick]

Yeah but the the conversation when Otacon survives doesn't mention Solidus.

[@AVGstrEnjoyer]

me when the credit rolled : ohh wow, that was one of the best games ever made, especially when it comes to story it had a lot of genius twists, but thats the end no more messing around kojima doing the post credit scene: holde mai beeru

[@Punkadelic2112]

Ocelot doing ASMR roleplay.

[@mrc6808]

Way better than the game cube version

[@ThaGeNeCySt]

You had to be there

[@chadrainternational7777]

Bloody Brilliant Game loved every moment of this game!!!

[@azureblue5757]

Just awesome

[@havi8-0-9]

thank you i gave up at the rex fight

[@youngfox2186]

It is my headcanon that when he said Snake was inferior such is not incompatible with him having the dominang genes. Maybe the recessive genes (or whatever such means at the light of the heritance of recessive allele theory of modern genetics) that Liquid inherited made him superior to both Snake and Big Boss (and also Solidus).

[@ChadVulpes]

Who was the woman put under surveillance? Was it just a loose plot thread left there that never went anywhere in the end?

[@owenitzura]

Most likely Naomi.

[@ChadVulpes]

@@owenitzura Ah yes, it does make the most sense. Thanks.

[@TequilaToothpick]

I assumed Meryl since you don't hear that part of the conversation if she dies.

[@TheLadderman]

_Yes, Your Holiness. The Anglican pretender has been dealt with. No, Your Holiness, the public still doesn't suspect a thing. Britain will be under Your Holiness' domain once again._

[@silverwindspirit]

I hope no one turns this game into a movie. They'll butcher the f*ck out of it like they did super mario, street fighter and mortal kombat. This game is already a master piece as a video game

[@vj7248]

Did it ever come up in lore why solidus looks like a famous cold war hero? IF naked snakes accomplishments were wiped then: Was anyone in lore confused as to why solidus looked like an infamous warlord that controlled multiple bases through various parts of the world over decades? AND IF THAT ALSO WAS WIPED: Did solidus use decoy octopus tech to disguise as someone else or?

[@Treblaine]

Why does Ted Cruz look like the Zodiac Killer?

[@purplesamurai5205]

I'm pretty sure the accelerated aging threw everyone off. And besides, in his younger days he looked even less like Big Boss.

[@Twocoolman115]

Sayeth What!?!

[@HannibalOrJustRex]

My mom gasped

[@thehistoryguy4277]

What did he mean when foxdie should be operational soon? Also who was the woman he mentioned? Naomi?

[@orisonho7452]

I believe they were talking about Olga

[@thehistoryguy4277]

O Risonho maybe Naomi? What about the fox die comment he made?

[@TequilaToothpick]

I think it's Meryl as you don't hear that part if she dies.

[@tropicarls]

brah i tell u this is some fucked up foreshadowing this is some scary ass shit bruh

[@KingMickey358]

When i listened to this ,...it blew my mind....I was all WTF!!!!!!! lol thnx for uploading this! ^.\\

[@broden4838]

1964: KGB then CIA 2005: Solidus

[@OrangeBall_HL]

Espero que un Mgs 6 pudieramos ver los origenes de Solidus

[@terencemoore3051]

@300MUSIC Because of Raiden In MGS2?

[@cartermorrison7917]

You know even though Snake is the inferior one he is still superior to Liquid. I know that's really about of the genes since Snake has the Recessive and Liquid has the Dominant. Like I said I in a way Snake is really the superior clone.

[@mrreyes5004]

Uh, no, not how that works. Liquid indeed did have the Recessive genes; that is canon. However, Liquid did not know that "Recessive" genes are not bad genes but in fact are just rare genes. Basically, Big Boss' superior soldier genes _ARE_ his recessive genes (as they are super rare), while Solid having Dominant genes just means that Solid has plain old everyday genes (because the definition of "Dominant" genes is literally just that they appear more; nothing says that Dominant genes are better, they are simply more common)

[@cartermorrison7917]

@@mrreyes5004 listen ass did I ask for your words?

[@thealifexablecreed9811]

Who is solidus talking to?

[@Vibrioidimp7]

Ocelot

[@daedelous7094]

Context "The DARPA Chief knew my identity but he has been disposed of" - Ocelot intentionally killed him because he knew who he truely was from the events in MGS3, where the DARPA chief was SIGINT, involved in the operation.

[@Sypitz]

Prove it

[@ronaldwilmington5165]

Who was the woman ?

[@GodOfWar5528]

I think Naomi since she and Ocelot werr partners in this operation and he is the one who frees her from prison

[@TequilaToothpick]

I think Meryl myself.

[@thehistoryguy4277]

Who is the woman ocelot is referring to?

[@supersonics5000]

Naomi

[@raulcezarpereira6710]

Jair Bolsonaro answer the phone. Ocelot is calling...

[@agakath]

he's not that powerful to receive a call from Ocelot.